[00:08] What is the best way to file a bug? 12.04 with apt-get update dist-upgrade from April 16th, 11am EST. Using "ubuntu" session nm-applet only has the following menu items: Enable Networking, Connection Information, Edit Connections... If you kill nm-applet and restart it then you get the full menu: Network Device name, Connection Name, Disconnect separator for each network device. VPN sub menu, separator, fooled by Enable Networkin [00:08] g, Connection information, edit connections... [00:31] can i upgrade from the beta to the full release without any major hickups?! [00:32] tomodachi, just keep upgrading as normal and you'll be on the full release when it's actually released. [00:32] and there shouldn't be any issues. [00:32] *shouldn't* be. it's no different from updating your system the normal way. [00:36] great :) [00:36] im planning a little pre install party 2 morrow for around 10ppl [00:36] cant wit! [00:36] wait [00:36] well goodnight everyone! [00:36] That just can't go wrong. [00:37] i wont be able to upgrade myself , thats wrong though [00:37] my machine hosts the netboot images along with a package proxy / cache [00:37] ill do it myself later [00:38] *poof* [00:38] *just* what I meant. [00:49] i have a weird audio problem in 12.04 :( [00:54] agoodm, explain more [00:54] agoodm, and google "ubuntu sound troubleshooting" [00:54] x220, with docking station [00:54] audio works correctly undocked [00:54] and sort of works docked [00:54] agoodm, usb? [00:54] no direct mini jacks [00:55] what program is playing audio? [00:55] im using skype... [00:55] and does the dock have headset ports? [00:55] ahh, try with rhythmbox first [00:55] when both my mic and headset is plugged into the dock station the output sound is being mixed with the mic signal creating feedback [00:55] if I play music the other person heard it [00:56] other person? [00:56] when I plug the headset direct into the laptop and the mic into the base it all works correctly [00:56] you mean that headphone detection isn't working? [00:56] im in a skype call... [00:56] oh, they are getting your mic [00:56] well , anyways we really cant support skype [00:56] sounds like you have a "monitor" functionality on [00:56] but if my mic and headset are both on the dock the audio being played is mixed and with my mic signal and the other person is hearing it [00:56] that you need to turn off [00:57] its not a skype problem its an audio problem [00:57] when the mic is plugged in the dock and I play music I see the sound graph spike in settings even with the mic muted on the headset cord [00:57] yes its like monitor is turned on if both are plugged into the dock and I cant find where to turn it off [00:58] ive looked in alsamixer etc [00:58] pastebin lspci -n [00:59] http://pastebin.com/N4vbGnzM === Eledran is now known as zz_Eledran [01:03] yeah you go google around, i cant find anything interesting [01:04] id already googled before coming here [01:04] the module is snd-hda-intel [01:04] perhaps I should file bug [01:04] try #alsa and then file a bug [01:04] but it definitely sounds like a bug [01:04] cheers [01:07] where should I file the bug? [01:08] launchpad, against alsa [01:09] or pulseaudio === matt____ is now known as gaelfx [01:09] you really should turn off pulseaudio and check if you still have the problem then [01:09] I'm having trouble accessing Samba shares, I have no idea where to start addressing the problem, any help? [01:10] how do I disable pulse without uninstalling it [01:10] gaelfx, i'm not sure if the recent remote root exploit in samba has anything to do with it, but you should be aware and make sure you are running a patched version [01:10] agoodm, not sure anymore [01:10] scientes: how would I do that? [01:11] i've done it in the past for high-fidelity hardware (sound blaster live) [01:11] gaelfx, make sure your packages are up to date with apt [01:11] someone else in here has to be having this autohide issue with the unity launcher that i'm having. when you click an app on the launcher, and don't move the mouse, the launcher hides itself even if the cursor is still hovering over the icon. [01:11] unless you move the cursor almost immediately up or down, the launcher will hide again. [01:12] shouldn't it stay revealed as long as the cursor is over the icon? [01:12] scientes: well, they definitely are up to date, the thing is, I have no trouble accessing the share on my Android device, just on this computer I'm having trouble [01:12] can I get a widget for the unity bar to switch screen rotation on the fly? [01:13] gaelfx, well how are you mounting it, the mount command it quite archaic as you have to squash user permissions as samba doesn't support any comcepty of user permissions [01:14] scientes: I navigate there from nautilus using smb:// [01:14] scientes: I had a bookmark that was working until an update a few days ago [01:14] gaelfx, its probably that your host changed [01:15] scientes: I use the IP address for the machine, which is reserved for that machine [01:15] scientes: hostname has never worked, I'm assuming that's an issue with my router though [01:16] gaelfx, hostnames have to be set up special inside a NAT if you have that [01:17] roothorick: isn't there a hotkey combo for doing that? [01:17] is there? [01:18] roothorick: checking [01:18] though, that still wouldn't be all that useful as the keyboard isn't useful when the screen is folded over [01:18] er, isn't usable [01:19] my ultimate goal is to make ubuntu fully functional completely sans-keyboard so I can do the slate thing [01:19] roothorick: ah, gotcha [01:19] part of that is the rotation [01:20] see, if I'm in laptop mode, then fold the screen over to slate mode, now the screen is upside down [01:20] apparently magick rotation can fix that automatically thanks to hp_wmi [01:21] but does magick rotation even work with precise? [01:21] roothorick: out of curiosity, what hardware are you using? [01:22] HP Pavilion tx2000 [01:22] RAM upgrade, otherwise stock [01:22] (it's a convertible tabletPC, the Wacom variant) [01:23] I've been considering buying a cheapo Chinese tablet and throwing Ubuntu on it for kicks, but I never considered how hard it would be to get stuff like that done [01:24] hahah [01:24] this is something a bit older, something Microsoft and Wacom collaborated on shortly before Vista [01:25] laptop guts, Wacom digitizer, and it's supposed to go with an OS that's optimized for a pen digitizer interface [01:25] how do you make irssi autorun commands when it starts up? [01:26] my experience with this laptop has been pretty impressive. It's the amazing every-computer. Strong CPU with VM capabilities, discrete GPU, the digitizer is pretty good [01:26] I'm just trying to take care of some usability kinks related to slate mode [01:26] roothorick, have you seen onboard? [01:27] scientes: I've seen the motherboard, yeah. I had to take the thing apart because the fan was blocked and it kept going into thermal shutdown [01:28] scientes: the GPU is in its own BGA package next to the CPU, with a north bridge a few inches away [01:28] roothorick, no im talking about "onboard" on-screen keyboard [01:29] scientes: the what? [01:29] ...oooh [01:29] apparently it's already installed... [01:29] roothorick: one of those handy-dandy accessibility progs ;) [01:30] stick that in the unity bar! [01:30] ...or not, it won't let me [01:32] I like it, but I really need it to be on the unity bar and I can't get it to stick [01:34] ...oh, it puts an icon in the top bar [01:35] still not ideal though, I want one-click access === bandit5432 is now known as led-bandit [01:36] roothorick: if it's in the menu, you can put it in the unity bar [01:36] I can bring it up with a search, I can drag it over to the unity bar, it says "Drop to Add Application" [01:36] but when I release the button it just disappears and the icons snap back [01:37] make a duplicate entry somewhere else with alacarte and use that one ;) [01:38] if it works, delete the original [01:38] roothorick: can't you open it, then it should appear in the bar and you can lock it to launcher? [01:38] it doesn't appear in the bar when it's open thoughh [01:39] odd [01:39] roothorick: does it appear on the top panel? [01:39] yeah [01:39] roothorick: can you get preferences from the panel icon and make it appear in the bar? [01:39] was thinking the same thing [01:39] I can get to preferences but none of the options seem to make it appear in the bar [01:41] figured out the hard way today that sudo cannot write to ramfs :-/ [01:42] roothorick: try what I said and make a new menu entry, it'll prolly work [01:43] this is interesting [01:43] Bug 917386 [01:43] Launchpad bug 917386 in onboard (Ubuntu) "Unity panel doesn't fit with onboard hide button" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/917386 [01:44] the unity bar has a hide button? [01:44] apparently things have been changed [01:45] perhaps I should look for updates :P [01:45] roothorick: try showing floating icon when it's hidden [01:46] roothorick: you can add it to startup and start it hidden, easy 1 click access [01:46] I'm just gonna leave the floating icon in the corner of the screen for now [01:46] scar3crow: OB has hide button [01:47] OB? [01:47] onboard [01:48] sorry, I'm confused? [01:48] it's an onscreen keyboard for systems that don't always have an easily accesible keyboards (for instance, tablet PCs) [01:48] ooooooooohhhhhhhhhh [01:48] k [01:49] and it's surprisingly aesthetic, despite following the awful purple orange theme [01:49] cool feature... too bad it's broken. how do I enable it so I can plaY? [01:49] purple orange theme? [01:50] scar3crow: it's installed by default in precise, you can launch it from a search or from the universal access CP [01:50] hey... how can I change my kde app icons without installing kde? [01:54] would it be considered a bug if do-release-upgrade to precise dev branch overwrites /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistend-cd.rules ? (it causes all drives to be renamed with a 1 after them) [01:59] roothorick: I think it was around 10.04 Canonical decided to use a purple and orange theme, I hate it [02:02] one thing about the official theme is it seems smooth === zz_Eledran is now known as Eledran [02:13] ...goofy [02:14] I reboot to make some udev rules take effect, and now onboard is in the unity bar [02:14] good times [02:14] I wanna know why my touchscreen calibration isn't being applied [02:15] so I can't access another machine on my network using the hostname, but I can access using LAN IP address, how can I make hostnames route tot he proper machine? [02:15] hosts file, or private DNS setup [02:15] well, I suppose you could write up something to make WINS work at the gethostbyname() level [02:16] gaelfx, samba or what? [02:16] led-bandit: samba isn't going to make firefox resolve WINS names [02:17] sorry didnt read that gaelfx was talking about firefox my bad [02:17] well, he may not be [02:18] but samba's NBNS/WINS stuff is exclusive to samba, it can't resolve names for other programs [02:18] unless things have changed since I last looked into it [02:18] led-bandit: Samba, Transmission Web Client [02:18] led-bandit: pretty much anything [02:19] gaelfx: I just manually write an /etc/hosts file and download it to my various machines by hand whenever I change it [02:19] I realize it's probably a router issue, but I was hoping someone here might have an idea [02:20] gaelfx: it's more a "Linux doesn't do NBNS/WINS at an OS level like Windows does" thing [02:20] gaelfx: so you need a centralized solution... or /etc/hosts [02:20] :/ well, thanks for thinking about it [02:21] gaelfx: WIndows uses "NETBIOS" to resolve hostnames on LAN's... its terribly insecure.. and has been the target of many worms such as "blaster, sasser, etc".. [02:21] dustinspringman: awfully convenient though... [02:21] dustinspringman: and FWIW, WINS isn't itself insecure... [02:21] roothorick: true.. [02:21] dustinspringman: there's no way to probe the network's machines and automatically get their hostnames? [02:21] hell, NetBIOS isn't itself insecure [02:22] gaelfx: well, you can do so manually, but "ping WINSNAME" et al isn't possible on Linux [02:22] I guess it's time I suck it up and edit hosts [02:22] I said "at an OS level", I'm pretty sure Samba has a facility where you can give it a WINS name and it'll spit out an IP [02:22] but again, it's completely manual [02:23] gaelfx: you might try nmap and use appropriate switches to get the hostname from the windows host [02:23] nmap would work too :3 [02:23] you can also tell samba to look up by bcast [02:24] honestly though, OS-level NBNS/WINS in Ubuntu would be *awesome* [02:25] oh my, things have changed apparently [02:25] I found a thread on gentoo forums about enabling WINS resolution on Linux [02:26] gaelfx: you'll have to translate this from Gentoo to Ubuntu, but this could give you exactly what you want: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-631997.html [02:26] led-bandit: I just edited my /etc/hosts file so it works on this machine, so it's fine for now, I just need to remember to do it when I get the new one [02:27] gaelfx: it'll only find Windows hosts and hosts running Samba though [02:27] I should say, hosts CURRENTLY running Samba (specifically nmbd) [02:28] roothorick: meh, I should get more comfortable editing files like hosts, I'm just lazy so I didn't wanna do it beofre [02:28] *before [02:28] gaelfx, who do you use for dns ? [02:28] I'm gonna keep it open [02:28] it'd be neat to pop open Nautilus in a crowded coffeeshop and see everyone's hostnames [02:28] some people have problems using name resolution with opendns and smart dns providers [02:29] Is there a website to see with what packages Ubuntu 12 will come with? [02:29] led-bandit: my Chinese ISP :S there's no hope of switching here, except for using VPN [02:29] I'm especially interested in what vlc version will come with it [02:29] shape: I don't think VLC is installed by default [02:30] he means in the repos [02:30] roothorick: Yes, but depends what version the repos will freeze it at [02:30] 2.0.1 I believe, that's what I have now [02:30] shape: I have 2.0.1 installed straight from the main repos right now [02:30] that's what im interested to find out. [02:30] and I believe they won't be changing anything from here on out [02:30] shame :( I'm still getting periodic X crashes [02:30] roothorick: From the repos in Precise? [02:31] shape: yeah, my laptabletop runs Precise :) [02:31] shape: indeed [02:31] Good to know! [02:31] what I want to know is when MPlayer will release a stable 1.0 [02:32] gaelfx: somewhere around the same time Valve releases Half-Life 3 [02:35] I want a touchscreen e-ink tablet that only runs terminal and an onscreen keyboard [02:35] touchscreen and e-ink seem to be things the market doesn't want to mix unfortunately [02:36] Kindle :D [02:36] every Kindle is either non-touchscreen or LCD afaik [02:37] oh, huh. apparently the Touch is e-ink touchscreen [02:37] I thought it was a monochrome LCD, heh [02:37] I think the problem you would run into is that e-ink is VERY slow [02:38] I just want it to ssh into my main box and use as a remote of sorts [02:38] you'd type something out and it'd take several seconds for what you typed to blit onto the screen [02:38] i can't get my software raid devices partitioned [02:38] I tried out alternate, now Im trying server [02:38] /end o-t [02:38] just get a Fire, root it and install an ssh client [02:39] but after I create the devices, they dont show up in the partitioner [02:39] the Fire is ridiculous, it's like 85% battery by weight [02:39] about its only redeeming feature, it can go for weeks on a charge [02:39] anyway [02:39] back to getting magick-rotation to go [02:40] apparently have to reboot... again? [02:41] anyone? do I need to type something in at boot to get software raid working properly? [02:47] I am running oracle java 7 I want to install vuze... how do I do it without installing icedtea and openjdk? [02:47] DrManhattan: can I assume you've already checked the documentation about software raids online? [02:48] yes, it just isn't doing what it is SUPPOSED to be doing [02:48] after I create the raid devices, they don't show up in the partitioner [02:49] if I go back in and select delete raid device I can see and delete it [02:50] DrManhattan: what partitioner are you looking at? Disk Utility or GParted? [02:50] the command line partitioning tool in the ubuntu installer [02:51] DrManhattan: so you have no GUI installed I take it? [02:51] hi. are there any major problems with the latest upgrades, or is it safe to run all updates now? [02:51] no, two bare disks in AHCI [02:51] DrManhattan: I mean are you using Ubuntu Server or Desktop or what? [02:52] MountainX: still in Beta, so it's always a little dangerous [02:52] MountainX: what are you most worried about going wrong, maybe we can assuage any fears you might have about upgrading if you tell us [02:52] gaelfx, I have tried alternate, I am trying server as we speak [02:53] it has been really good for me. I don't have any problems. I was just checking to make sure they were no big issues. [02:54] DrManhattan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/925280 [02:54] Launchpad bug 925280 in mdadm (Ubuntu) "Software RAID fails to rebuild after testing degraded cold boot" [Medium,Confirmed] [02:55] MountainX: Big issues are relative ;) What might be a big deal for me, might not be a big deal for you [02:55] gaelfx, yeah I can't get to the "I then created the three partitions" [02:56] gaelfx: mainly hoping that the latest upgrades won't break anything that is working now [02:56] the raid device doesn't show up, so I can't create a partition for it [02:56] I last updated about 4-5 days ago. Everything is working well enough for me. [02:58] MountainX: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Wait for a week or two after stable [02:58] yeah they still dont show up in the partitioner, this blows [02:58] so sad [02:59] DrManhattan: sorry, I got no experience with CLI partitioner. I'm too much of a GUI guy [03:00] well in the gui it would be the same [03:00] it just shows 3 scsi devices, no raid devices [03:04] I'm on precise (12.04) right now. I'm having segfaults with conky whenever my config file uses execi or texeci with an interval greater than system uptime. Help would be appreciated. [03:07] yeah partitioner on server doesn't work either [03:07] no software raid, which means I can't use ubuntu yet. [03:07] ugh. [03:07] how do I find the right value for InputClass? [03:07] for MatchProduct [03:08] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/29525/ [03:16] ok, going to try a daily build, then I'll give up on 12.04 till final release [03:16] seriously, where the hell does MatchProduct come from? [03:17] ...apparently it matched, but my calibration values weren't applied [03:18] hi [03:18] Can someone please paste me (http://paste.ubuntu.com/) a dpkg --get-selections on a 12.04 default desktop 32bit install? [03:18] I've just upgraded a machine, and gdm does not start, maybe I'm missing a package, and a default getselections would set me back on track [03:19] Petrox, presumably you mean lightdm [03:19] im going to try 11.10 and see how that goes [03:19] Petrox, is this gnome? why not install the metapackage ubuntu-desktop if so [03:19] :) maybe :) I didn't really care for the first letter of *dm in the last few years :D [03:21] bazhang; I've got ubuntu-desktop, and even installed gnome-desktop-environment [03:21] It was gnome an hour ago :) [03:23] asd [03:23] /var/log/Xorg.0.log has a segmentation fault at 0x11b :( [03:25] I'll try reconfiguring Xorg, and removing a fwe keyboards and mice :) [03:27] ok trying the daily build of alternate 12.04 [03:27] then 11.10 [03:28] then self-hanging after teste punches [03:28] ok, the problem was: usb keyboard + usb mouse + usb HID (wireless keyboard with mouse)... after removing the latter, start lightdm works [03:28] but if I plug in the device, X dies instantly [03:32] bazhang: Do you know where should I report Xorg segfaults? I can take a video, can attach xorg.log, I may even install debug symbols if needed... but don't know where to report this [03:32] Petrox, bug you mean? /msg ubottu bug for more info [03:33] bazhang: segfault is not a "designed" way of exiting I think :) [03:34] the nightly build doesn't have the software raid issue! please remember that for others! [03:35] DrManhattan, add to the existing bug report then no one will have to remember [03:36] hmm I dont think I have the accounts and everything set up [03:37] bazhang, my apologies but can I have the link again plz? [03:37] !bug [03:37] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [03:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/925280 [03:37] Launchpad bug 925280 in mdadm (Ubuntu) "Software RAID fails to rebuild after testing degraded cold boot" [Medium,Confirmed] [03:37] or that [03:37] no that isnt it either === CQ_ is now known as CQ [03:38] im not worried about it if its in the nightly it will be in the final and that's what, 10 days off? [03:38] could be [03:38] yeah so such is life with betas, itll be ok [03:39] 10.04 is solid too, it's all good [03:39] yay! its installing [03:40] I found an 80 dollar mobo on newegg with 4 pci and 2 pci-e X1's on it, i'm tempted to buy it and toss 4 pci tv cars and 2 pci-es in there for a home security box [03:40] cards [03:41] would be so sick for zoneminder [03:47] Figured out my xorg.conf issue. Protip: xinput_calibrator is wrong. It's TopX/BottomX/TopY/BottomY not MinX/MaxX/MinY/MaxY [03:48] on an only tangentally related note, the linux-phc PPA doesn't have Precise kernels yet :( [03:50] I don't know if I should bother manually rolling a kernel or not [03:54] oh wow, alternate lets me install a scaled down system! [03:54] with a desktop kernel [03:54] just what I need [03:54] it's downright trivial to change kernels later, if you're using official kernels, you know :) [03:54] I'll need generic-pae but w/e [03:54] yeah [03:55] that's fine just the scaled down part [03:55] I really liked that about debian and now it looks like i found out how to do this with ubuntu as well [03:55] I'm strongly considering rolling a custom kernel with the phc patches [03:55] I want a kernel as close in setup to the official as possible, just with the phc feature [03:55] I haven't used ubuntu in a while, so it's nice to see how much progress has been made in the past few years. What a professional looking product, and very easy to use so far [03:56] no idea how to approach that [03:56] I hope it lets me boot though, installing grub on software raid is notoriously disastrous [03:56] I haven't had issues [03:57] not on the stable releases, no [03:57] on a nightly build of an almost released beta? we'll see [03:57] then again, my server's /boot is MD RAID1 [03:57] installing grub now [03:57] installing to mbr [03:57] actually, the whole thing is RAID1 [03:57] me too [03:58] I plan to move it to a multi-terabyte RAID5 array holding everything eventually [03:58] im just putting it on one big partition [03:58] I think at that stage what I'll do [03:58] is have just one drive with /boot but have a copy of it in the RAID5 [03:58] wtf do I care, its mirrored and if it fails more than that I'll be backed up anyhow [03:58] might need LVM to make that transparent [03:58] no straight up raid should do it [03:58] not 100% sure LVM can do it actually [03:58] rebooting knocking on wood [03:59] ooh, nice [03:59] stock ubuntu config is right in the package [03:59] nice - it worked! [03:59] I think I'll give it a crack anyway [04:00] normally I wouldn't care but this is an HP from the screaming-banshee-of-death era [04:00] ok so sorry about not filing any bug reports, idk where to file but if anyone has issues with software raid or raid at all tell them to try out the daily alternate [04:01] DrManhattan, I told you where to file... [04:02] bazhang, im not really up to filing a new bug, I don't have an account or anything yet and I really am not feeling to hot [04:02] too [04:02] but that's a nice discovery that I can do a little minimal install, very happy with that [04:03] that's as easy as it used to be in debian too [04:03] a few more steps than in 2001 [04:03] absent, the odds of someone scrolling through all this and seeing it, let alone a developer seeing it, are very low, but OK [04:03] bazhang, it's all good they have it fixed in the nightly's anyhow [04:04] 10 days from now it's just in the ether [04:04] or 12 [04:04] * DrManhattan shrugs [04:04] plenty of time for regressions as well [04:06] if that happens I'll report it [04:06] in addition, a regression would be a new bug, wouldn't it? :) [04:11] geez and it sets up the video devices effortlessly [04:11] both the ati card and the bttv are automatically ready to go in /dev/video [04:11] that's friggin sweet autodetection and setup for a bare install [04:13] impressive - funny how I end up liking linux more for the non guidesktop baloney [04:27] ok here we go [04:27] two bttv, 1 713x, and one ati 550 pro [04:30] yeesh thats a fast reboot [04:32] ok so when I boot it loads some sort of vesa-like screen for a half-second and I'd like to prevent that [04:38] Anyone hearing of random logouts/lockups/reboots/Xorg crashes in 12.04 64bit? [04:39] as it turns out, linux-phc itself hasn't been updated since the 2.6 kernels :( [04:39] segmentation fault at 0x11b mgeneral ? [04:41] empathy on 12.04 kindaf clunky [04:42] bazhang, not entirely sure, I haven't been able to track down the problem [04:42] Will ubuntu 12.04 support USB3 on my ASUS Z68-M Pro mobo? [04:42] mgeneral, yes, there have been some issues reported, just a short while ago actually; have you considered filing a bug [04:42] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/976383 already filed a bug [04:42] Launchpad bug 976383 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "Periodic lockups or crashes" [High,New] [04:43] hmm, can I load a module more than once? [04:43] horusofoz: well, the host controller should be supported... [04:43] just looking to see if anyone else is experiencing it and whether or not anyone got any further than I did with tracking it down. [04:43] I thought i could, say if I wanted to put two of the same tv card in there [04:45] roothorick: Sorry can you qualify that for a noob? [04:46] horusofoz: whether any of your USB3 devices would be supported is anyone's guess [04:48] roothorick, ubuntu 11.10 supports my usb3 controller and my color turn usb3 flash drive, if that is of any help for you. [04:48] horusofoz: hear that? I'd say you'll be just fine [04:50] sorry, exhausted from biking. Miss-highlighted. [04:51] Thanks All :) [04:53] PakLang 12:50:52 [04:53] any idea how to make ubuntu (using 12.04) green,save electricity/power consumption friendly? [04:53] PakLang, check in the power management settings first? [04:54] I had it default...any specific apps to install? I believe ubuntu not as green as windows 7? [04:55] ok i try to make ubuntu as green as windows 7 :) [04:55] ok so I have the msp3400 module loaded but I don't have a /dev/video3 [04:55] PakLang, by green you mean what precisely? please be very specific [04:56] bazhang means power consumption efficient/saving as i intend to on my laptop for a long time [04:56] PakLang, yes, I know what green means in the generic sense. what settings have you checked in ubuntu, what exactly is lacking etc etc etc [04:58] i used to use an app call grano.la since it doesn't work yet on precise maybe i can manually config it? [04:58] PakLang, whats the exact package name please [04:59]