| electroglue | hey guys can someone point me to a ubuntu how to for beaglebone. Seem I'm not using the right image | 01:47 |
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| rsalveti | infinity: ogra_: bug 983555 | 01:48 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 983555 in compiz-plugins-extra "compiz-plugins-extra FTBFS on ARM" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/983555 | 01:48 |
| rsalveti | and attached a debdiff containing the patch that disables the plugins that are gl-only compatible | 01:48 |
| electroglue | can someone tell me if http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-server-armel+omap.img.gz is the right image for beaconboard? | 01:49 |
| electroglue | I mean beaglebone | 01:49 |
| infinity | rsalveti: \o/ | 01:50 |
| infinity | electroglue: Other than the part where I'd strongly recommend using precise/armhf instead of oneiric/armel, yes. | 01:50 |
| electroglue | infinity: armhf performance is much better than the soft one? | 01:51 |
| * twb perks up - ubuntu has a solid armhf now? | 01:51 | |
| infinity | Better performance, plus we're dropping support for armel. | 01:51 |
| infinity | twb: Hrm? | 01:51 |
| infinity | twb: Where have you been for the last 6 months? | 01:51 |
| twb | infinity: last time I looked, which was months- asleep | 01:51 |
| electroglue | thanks infinity | 01:52 |
| twb | wrt ubuntu arm I well and truly have my "user" hat on and my "dev" hat off :P | 01:52 |
| infinity | I have a few too many dev hats. | 01:52 |
| infinity | rsalveti: So, I'm guessing no Linaro folk got around to taking gnat off markos' plate? | 01:53 |
| infinity | rsalveti: Also, uploaded that compiz fix for you. | 01:55 |
| rsalveti | infinity: I thought SteveMcIntyre was looking at it, need to ping folks to check | 01:56 |
| rsalveti | let me write down an email about that | 01:56 |
| rsalveti | infinity: thanks | 01:56 |
| infinity | rsalveti: Unless someone magically produces a compiler in the next few days, we're pretty much officially "too late" anyway. | 01:56 |
| rsalveti | yeah =\ | 01:56 |
| infinity | Thankfully, no one actually uses ADA... Right? | 01:56 |
| rsalveti | well, there are always some weird folks that might be using it, but afaik not that many at least :-) | 01:57 |
| infinity | Well, the pet hobby language of the month seems to be haskell. | 01:58 |
| rsalveti | yup | 01:58 |
| infinity | I'd still love it if we got ghci working for those folks. | 01:58 |
| infinity | But at least ghc works. | 01:58 |
| rsalveti | cool, and do we have any issue with other haskell related packages? | 02:00 |
| rsalveti | I remember they were always a bit of a pain go get all in sync and building for arm | 02:01 |
| rsalveti | issues with builder and such | 02:01 |
| infinity | haskell-src-exts was having OOMing issues, that was fixed. | 02:01 |
| rsalveti | cool | 02:01 |
| infinity | So, it's only ghci that needs love. And I'm told that porting ghci to a new arch is a lot of Not Fun. | 02:01 |
| infinity | Which is why upstream only supports two arches. :/ | 02:01 |
| rsalveti | oh, ok, so will probably take time then | 02:02 |
| infinity | But I know, for instance, that CompSci classes teach interactive ghc usage, etc, so to many people, ghc without ghci is "useless". | 02:02 |
| twb | infinity: GHC struggles on "second class" archs because it has to compile to C first, then run a C compiler | 02:02 |
| infinity | Something to ponder spending time on for Q anyway. Maybe. | 02:03 |
| twb | infinity: last time I looked upstream GHC team didn't support arm at all, that was all Debian | 02:03 |
| twb | infinity: if they want GHCI they can bloody well ssh into the student shell server :-/ | 02:03 |
| infinity | twb: Yeah, most of the porting effort with GHC has been Debian, and the Debian maintainer's awesome, but he's also a limited resource. :P | 02:03 |
| twb | I used to maintain Darcs in Debian, from 2.0 up to about 2.4 or .5 | 02:04 |
| infinity | Hrm, Uploaders gets filtered out by dpkg-gencontrol, doesn't it? | 02:06 |
| infinity | So I can still fix this source without rebuilding the binaries. | 02:06 |
| infinity | Shiny. | 02:06 |
| scientes | you you guys saying alot is broken with armhf? | 02:07 |
| infinity | scientes: Other than gnat, no, it's just as broken (or slightly less) a armel. :P | 02:07 |
| infinity | s/a armel/than armel/ | 02:07 |
| scientes | cause i ran into the opposite with firefox | 02:08 |
| scientes | to run on armv5 you have to turn off the JIT or you get segfaults | 02:08 |
| twb | Meh, ff is always a problem child | 02:08 |
| micahg | scientes: you'll want Debian's build if you're using armv5 | 02:09 |
| scientes | twb, ever try to build ff? | 02:09 |
| twb | Yes | 02:09 |
| scientes | micahg, yeah that is what i was using | 02:09 |
| twb | Although nowadays it's separate from xulrunner so the heavy lifting happens there | 02:09 |
| scientes | micahg, it works except it doesn't turn off the jit by default for some reason | 02:09 |
| micahg | twb: AIUI in Debian xulrunner and Firefox are built from the same source now | 02:09 |
| twb | oh. | 02:10 |
| scientes | the 2GB for libxul linking sure caught be off gaurd | 02:10 |
| twb | grumble grumble | 02:10 |
| scientes | <micahg> twb: AIUI in Debian xulrunner and Firefox are built from the same source now | 02:10 |
| scientes | correct | 02:10 |
| scientes | i like that | 02:10 |
| twb | scientes: hey man you can't even CHECK OUT emacs from bzr unless you have 800MB of RAM | 02:10 |
| twb | Let alone compile it | 02:10 |
| scientes | well that a bzr problem | 02:10 |
| twb | Yeah I know ;-) | 02:10 |
| scientes | which is not exactly something i care about | 02:10 |
| infinity | Checking out emacs seems more like a personal problem. | 02:10 |
| scientes | haha | 02:11 |
| twb | infinity: it's a communicable disease | 02:11 |
| infinity | This is right up there with "I find it really difficult to masturbate to rotting corpses". | 02:11 |
| scientes | i just dont see why in bzr explicit renaming support is touted as a "feature" | 02:11 |
| infinity | The obvious response being "don't do that, then." | 02:11 |
| scientes | the content-centric approach of git seems much better | 02:11 |
| twb | scientes: it's better enough that Darcs adopted it too | 02:12 |
| scientes | > its cancer enough that darcs adopted it too | 02:12 |
| scientes | FTFY | 02:12 |
| scientes | infinity, so are you guys going to maintain some sensible armel multiarch so that broken packages can still be installed as armel? | 02:13 |
| twb | If you analyse the Θ of typical operations in a traditional delta-store backend vs. a content-oriented database, the latter is a clear win for VCS | 02:13 |
| infinity | scientes: We do support multiarch, yes. | 02:13 |
| scientes | so you will have a armel and armhf repo like debian, just not support the armel for primary arch? | 02:14 |
| infinity | We have both for now. We'll have both for the life of precise. I can't say if we'll have both forever. | 02:15 |
| infinity | (really, probably not) | 02:15 |
| scientes | well then they cant accuse your of breaking stuff that doesn't work on armhf, they can install the armel packages, and port it if someone cares | 02:16 |
| scientes | sounds perfectly reasonable to me | 02:16 |
| twb | I thought not all of the multiarch ducks were lined up yet | 02:16 |
| twb | Like, it's in dpkg now, but not in apt yet | 02:17 |
| infinity | I have a fine collection of ducks here. | 02:17 |
| infinity | It's been supported since oneiric... | 02:17 |
| scientes | haha, yeah there is alot of gui lack, and i've seen bugs in aptitude | 02:17 |
| infinity | We shipped with multiarch on by default for amd64 in oneiric. | 02:17 |
| infinity | aptitude is buggy, yes. | 02:17 |
| scientes | but ubuntu has had it for a while unlike debian | 02:17 |
| infinity | But who cares, it's aptitude. :P | 02:17 |
| scientes | infinity, I use it! | 02:17 |
| micahg | aptitude is better in precise, but still needs help | 02:17 |
| twb | infinity: oooh, so you did biarch while waiting for Debian to solve the general case? | 02:18 |
| scientes | i use apt-get and aptitude | 02:18 |
| * micahg would like apt-getitude | 02:18 | |
| scientes | i use to use synaptic, but now heavily dislike it, along with software-center | 02:18 |
| infinity | twb: | 02:18 |
| infinity | twb: Err, what? | 02:18 |
| infinity | twb: No, multiarch in oneiric was multiarch. | 02:18 |
| twb | So I could add precise armhf to my existing oneiric/precise armel sources.list, and it should Just Work? | 02:19 |
| infinity | Well, to precise/armel, sure. | 02:19 |
| scientes | twb, if you have armv7 hardware, yes | 02:19 |
| twb | Is there a howto wiki page somewhere? | 02:19 |
| infinity | Given that multiarch needs package versions to match, oneiric/precise won't exactly work. | 02:19 |
| infinity | And it's not added in sources.list at all. | 02:19 |
| * scientes uses [arch=amd64] in sources to make downloads faster | 02:20 | |
| twb | infinity: what I mean is I'm currently using oneiric and cherry-picking things I care about from precise | 02:20 |
| infinity | twb: echo "foreign-architecture armhf" > /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch && apt-get update | 02:20 |
| infinity | twb: Congrats, you're multiarch. | 02:20 |
| scientes | ^^bingo | 02:20 |
| twb | Thanks | 02:20 |
| scientes | and you can also change the primary arch to armhf | 02:20 |
| infinity | twb: I'd recommend having an armhf base, though, and cherry-picking in the other direction if absolutely necessary. | 02:21 |
| infinity | (Which, unless you really like ADA, it shouldn't be) | 02:21 |
| scientes | armhf can bring like 25% performance improvement | 02:21 |
| micahg | infinity: pascal as well | 02:21 |
| twb | I'm currently running a random wacky android .36 kernel. Do I need that to be compiled with specific options for armhf to work, and if so, how do I check those options? | 02:21 |
| scientes | and even more on VFP-intensive stuff | 02:22 |
| infinity | micahg: I'm still pondering a 0-hour pascal transition. | 02:22 |
| twb | scientes: yeah I was going to put Debian armhf on this box but my previous box died and I was in a rush :-( | 02:22 |
| scientes | twb, i think it even works with a armel kernel | 02:22 |
| infinity | twb: The kernel doesn't give a hoot about VFP. | 02:22 |
| twb | That's what I thought, thanks | 02:22 |
| infinity | No such thing as an "armel" or "armhf" kernel. | 02:22 |
| scientes | but you can compile your kernel with VFP support, but there is very little FP in the kernel | 02:22 |
| twb | Hm, I can't see apt-get update pulling down armhf entries yet... | 02:23 |
| scientes | the option is there | 02:23 |
| scientes | in make nconfig | 02:23 |
| twb | http://paste.debian.net/163468/ | 02:23 |
| twb | I guess because it hasn't got to the precise one yet, and there isn't one for oneiric? | 02:23 |
| infinity | There's no armhf in oneiric, no. | 02:24 |
| twb | Yep, there's the armhf dl now | 02:24 |
| scientes | upgrade! | 02:24 |
| twb | SHINY | 02:24 |
| twb | The main thing is to avoid bricking it in any way, because this is my main / only workstation | 02:25 |
| infinity | You're as bad as ogra... | 02:25 |
| twb | So-rry | 02:25 |
| infinity | ;) | 02:25 |
| twb | If this was a normal server I wouldn't be worried about the userland bricking it because I can deal with that | 02:25 |
| scientes | twb, then use even more shiny like me and switch to btrfs :P | 02:26 |
| twb | But this stupid thing can't exactly just boot off a USB live key atm :P | 02:26 |
| twb | scientes: how do you think my last laptop died | 02:26 |
| * infinity slams his head on the desk. | 02:27 | |
| infinity | I need to alias git/bzr/svn all to one wrapper that checks for .git, .svn, bzr and DTRT. | 02:27 |
| twb | Not to worry tho, my scratch VM is still btrfs all the way | 02:27 |
| twb | infinity: http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.bin/twb-get | 02:28 |
| infinity | So sick of running the wrong commands in the wrong projects. | 02:28 |
| twb | infinity: or you could use Emacs which does exactly that ;-) | 02:28 |
| micahg | infinity: debcheckout/debcommit? | 02:28 |
| twb | micahg: mm, that too | 02:28 |
| infinity | micahg: In this case, it was "bzr diff" in a subversion checkout. | 02:28 |
| infinity | Last night, it was git merge. Because I can't imagine merging without git. | 02:29 |
| infinity | But then I realised I had to. | 02:29 |
| infinity | Etc. | 02:29 |
| scientes | <infinity> I need to alias git/bzr/svn all to one wrapper that checks for .git, .svn, bzr and DTRT. | 02:29 |
| scientes | i feel you | 02:29 |
| * scientes wishes it was all git | 02:29 | |
| * scientes uses the git mirror of mozilla-central | 02:29 | |
| infinity | I miss the fix-it-yourself appeal of RCS/CVS. | 02:30 |
| infinity | Of course, they also sucked. | 02:30 |
| scientes | hahahaha | 02:30 |
| infinity | A lot. | 02:30 |
| infinity | But, still. If I wedge a repository for any of the new shiny VCSs, it's over. | 02:30 |
| twb | infinity: hey hey I still use RCS - for evil | 02:31 |
| twb | http://paste.debian.net/163469/ | 02:31 |
| twb | gpg + rcs = version-controlled, encrypted netrc files | 02:32 |
| twb | http://paste.debian.net/163470/ is the manpage, since that sh code is pretty obtuse | 02:33 |
| scientes | why did ubuntu switch to statically linking libxul into firefox? | 02:37 |
| scientes | esp when they switched to shipping thunderbird by default | 02:37 |
| scientes | seems you could save a few MB of ram for nothing | 02:37 |
| infinity | You could, but the pain of keeping the world in sync was awful. | 02:37 |
| infinity | And when you're running firefox and thunderbird, "a few MB" is laughably nothing. | 02:38 |
| scientes | true.... | 02:38 |
| infinity | My Firefox is happily dining on 3G of RAM. | 02:38 |
| scientes | it use to crash at 2GB all the time | 02:38 |
| scientes | no that that is fixed there is no end in sight | 02:39 |
| * twb sighs | 02:41 | |
| twb | I know RAM is cheap, but "it's cheaper to add ram than code an O(logn) algorithm instead of an O(n) one" is like fingernails on a blackboard to me | 02:42 |
| scientes | well, xml is neither fast nor ram-sensitive by its very nature | 02:42 |
| twb | The problem XML solves is not hard, and XML does not solve it well. | 02:42 |
| scientes | xml only creates problems | 02:43 |
| scientes | yes, it is context-free which is nice | 02:43 |
| scientes | but so is json, which is much better | 02:43 |
| twb | So are sexprs, a better solution to the problem that existing in *1959* | 02:43 |
| scientes | are there any 100% xml-compatible binary representations | 02:43 |
| scientes | that we could support in browsers? | 02:44 |
| twb | Who cares | 02:44 |
| twb | The browsing public doesn't give a shit about anything except stupid shiny web apps | 02:44 |
| scientes | it would be easier to parse | 02:44 |
| twb | Personally I avoid 90% of the problem by using w3m for everything except the odd broken site | 02:45 |
| scientes | thats pretty extreme | 02:45 |
| scientes | i mean even noscript and adblockplus gets you pretty far | 02:45 |
| twb | adblockplus is a clusterfuck; that code belongs in DNS | 02:45 |
| twb | afk food | 02:45 |
| scientes | thats what people say, but adblockplus works much better IMHO | 02:46 |
| scientes | cause it actually removes the elements from the DOM | 02:46 |
| scientes | and they are never rendered at all | 02:46 |
| scientes | or requested | 02:46 |
| twb | I wouldn't know about that, I was pulling its data files and putting them into squid and polipo | 02:46 |
| scientes | and it works better than simple host forging | 02:46 |
| twb | I haven't actually used ff since about 1.5 | 02:46 |
| twb | Since webkit has slightly less bloat | 02:47 |
| scientes | well adblockplus is ported to chromium | 02:47 |
| scientes | but i use firefox cause its the only browser than you can coaxe into slightly keeping your privacy | 02:47 |
| micahg | twb: you should give Firefox 13 a go, much smaller memory footprint | 02:52 |
| scientes | and much faster javascript | 02:52 |
| scientes | and also video support | 02:52 |
| twb | are you serious? They're up to 13 now? | 03:01 |
| twb | micahg: well I was running it over X so I didn't have to pay the footprint penalty on my local netbook | 03:01 |
| twb | TBH the video stuff annoys me because now I can't opt out by not installing flash | 03:02 |
| micahg | noscript should help there | 03:02 |
| twb | If I want a video I'll fucking well fun mplayer, I don't want it loading without asking inside a browser, any more than I want geocities "background music" in a web page | 03:02 |
| twb | micahg: so instead of taking stuff out, I have to add more stuff to stop the first stuff from doing anything? Yuk | 03:02 |
| micahg | 13 is current in the aurora channel which is ~7 weeks from release (1 week till beta migration + 6 week migration cycle) | 03:03 |
| * micahg thinks noscript is sensible in any event for browsing | 03:03 | |
| twb | IMO if you have js in a browser it should be off by default | 03:04 |
| twb | It's absurd to me that you need a third-party module to make that the case | 03:04 |
| micahg | twb: if you saw how many bugs we get because people disable stuff, you'd understand why :) (Mozilla probably gets more) | 03:04 |
| twb | But then, that's why I use w3m and I'm not an arsebook weenie | 03:04 |
| scientes | twb, you can in firefox settings | 03:04 |
| twb | micahg: yeah I grant you moco has to deal with a lot of fuckwits | 03:05 |
| scientes | noscript just lets you set it on a per-domain basis | 03:05 |
| scientes | whic is more useful | 03:05 |
| scientes | same with cslite | 03:05 |
| * micahg loves permablocking the ad sites | 03:05 | |
| twb | scientes: I think if I was building it, I'd just have a keychord that said "toggle js in this tab" | 03:05 |
| twb | micahg: I do that in hosts(5) ;-) | 03:06 |
| scientes | twb, yeah i was looking for a way to only have ajvascript run in current | 03:06 |
| scientes | but firefox actually does that by default now | 03:06 |
| twb | infinity: btw with both oneiric and precise enabled, apt-get whinges because it can't find oneiric/armhf | 03:08 |
| twb | http://paste.debian.net/163476/ | 03:08 |
| infinity | twb: Yeah, cosmetic bug worth fixing at some point, but it's not exactly a common use-case. | 03:09 |
| scientes | twb, infinity already said, oneric doesnbt have armhf | 03:09 |
| infinity | (ie: how often do we add ports, and have people attempt cross-series multiarch?) | 03:09 |
| twb | infinity: okey dokey | 03:10 |
| pnphi | make[1]: *** [stamp-conf-lite] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ty/LuanVan/icewm/icewm-1.3.7~pre2' make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2 dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 | 03:11 |
| twb | I am ninja enough to ignore an error from apt-get ::P | 03:11 |
| pnphi | i can't fix this err | 03:11 |
| twb | pnphi: pastebin full transcript please | 03:11 |
| pnphi | make[1]: *** [stamp-conf-lite] Error 1 | 03:11 |
| pnphi | make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2 | 03:11 |
| pnphi | dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 | 03:11 |
| pnphi | 2 days , i can't fix this err | 03:11 |
| twb | ubot2: pastebin | 03:12 |
| ubot2 | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 03:12 |
| twb | pnphi: put the whole transcript, all those 100s of lines, into a pastebin | 03:12 |
| pnphi | ok | 03:12 |
| pnphi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/933470/ | 03:13 |
| twb | pnphi: what is the version (first line) reported by iconv --version? | 03:14 |
| pnphi | must install iconv ? | 03:15 |
| twb | If iconv is not installed, that is probably the problem. | 03:15 |
| pnphi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/933473/ | 03:15 |
| pnphi | iconv --version | 03:15 |
| pnphi | have iconv | 03:17 |
| twb | There is something wrong with your system, because an earlier version of iconv (2.11, from lucid) passes that test: | 03:20 |
| twb | echo foo | iconv --from iso-8859-1 --to UCS4//translit ==> foo | 03:20 |
| pnphi | yes | 03:21 |
| infinity | pnphi: Are you developing on maverick? | 03:21 |
| pnphi | yes | 03:21 |
| infinity | You realise it's EOL, right? | 03:21 |
| pnphi | yse | 03:21 |
| pnphi | yes | 03:21 |
| infinity | Of course, maverick's iconv *does* work, so I'm sure your problem is local. But still. You might want to use a newer release. | 03:22 |
| pnphi | newer...ok | 03:23 |
| scientes | yeah iconv works... | 03:23 |
| pnphi | must upgrade | 03:23 |
| pnphi | i'm very tried, 2 days with the err | 03:25 |
| pnphi | build by "dpkg-buildpackage -a<arch>" and "xdeb" , the same err | 03:26 |
| pnphi | i must upgrade into 11.04 | 03:31 |
| pnphi | 11.04 is natty | 03:34 |
| pnphi | how using dpkg-cross | 03:44 |
| rsalveti | infinity: wooot, jockey worked fine from first boot :-) | 04:13 |
| infinity | rsalveti: Crazy talk. You must have done it wrong. | 04:14 |
| rsalveti | ;-) | 04:14 |
| infinity | Also: \o/ | 04:14 |
| infinity | I mean, it would be more "\o/" if the drivers were just free, but whatever. :/ | 04:14 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 04:14 |
| rsalveti | hopefully some crazy dudes will reverse engineer it soon ;-) | 04:15 |
| infinity | I'm still waiting for some clever young kid with too much free time to make nouvea work on Tegra. | 04:15 |
| twb | Or you know, the vendor gets a fucking clue | 04:15 |
| rsalveti | would be awesome if robclark would be allowed to do that | 04:15 |
| infinity | rsalveti: That might represent a SLIGHT conflict of interest for him. | 04:15 |
| rsalveti | robclark: did you look at the tegra support before doing the work for the other driver? | 04:16 |
| infinity | - ARM Fast Models as builders | 04:17 |
| infinity | rsalveti: ^-- You hate me, right? | 04:18 |
| rsalveti | infinity: oh yeah :-) | 04:18 |
| rsalveti | start crying ;-) | 04:18 |
| infinity | On it. | 04:18 |
| infinity | On the one hand, it would be nice to have the port ready before there's any GA hardware. On the other hand, OH GOD NO. | 04:19 |
| rsalveti | lol | 04:19 |
| rsalveti | we're using it for big.little, and yeah, it's a pain | 04:20 |
| robclark | rsalveti, I didn't really look at tegra.. although that was more to do w/ hw I have access to.. :-P | 04:20 |
| rsalveti | infinity: ^ just need to get a tegra board to robclark ;-) | 04:20 |
| infinity | robclark: I'll mail you some Tegra kit. | 04:20 |
| robclark | heheh, well, I think I'll be busy for a while ;-) | 04:20 |
| infinity | Actually, in all seriousness, we might have some spare ac100s floating around the company, I could ask around. | 04:20 |
| robclark | although find some nouveau folks, send 'em tegras :-P | 04:20 |
| infinity | I just have a gut feeling that making nouveau do tegraish things would be dangerously close to "trivial" for someone who understands the architecture. | 04:21 |
| infinity | Since the Tegra GPU is, by all account, just a slightly crippled Geforce. | 04:21 |
| infinity | Sadly, once it's made to work "just like the desktop GPUs", then someone needs to make it do GLES instead. :/ | 04:22 |
| robclark | I'd heard somewhere that some nouveau folks thought it would need a different driver, but I'm not sure how much that has to do w/ command stream and shader ISA's, vs UMA vs vram.. | 04:22 |
| robclark | I'd have to guess there is at least some family resemblance ;-) | 04:23 |
| infinity | It's the nose. It's always the nose. | 04:23 |
| robclark | heheh | 04:23 |
| infinity | Honestly, we suffer along fine with ati/nvidia binary drivers on the desktop, and I think I've mostly come to terms with it. | 04:24 |
| infinity | It's the part where ARM SoC vendors are a bit less organised that makes it more painful. | 04:24 |
| twb | I don't suffer | 04:24 |
| * robclark used nouveau on old laptop (now have intel gfx) | 04:24 | |
| infinity | (So, the omap4 + jockey thing is great news) | 04:25 |
| twb | I outright refuse to use anything but intel GPUs on the desktop | 04:25 |
| robclark | nouveau supported gles nicely thx to gallium | 04:25 |
| robclark | (gles also works well on new laptop) | 04:25 |
| infinity | twb: If Intel ever caught up in 3D performance, I may take that stand, but I still like my fancy video games. | 04:25 |
| twb | I have never once had a proprietary video game work properly under wine | 04:26 |
| infinity | (I hear that this year's crop of Intel GPUs are at least "not crap", compared to one generation removed for ati/nvidia) | 04:26 |
| twb | Even with non-intel (ATI) GPUs | 04:26 |
| infinity | twb: I used to play WoW in wine, worked fine. | 04:26 |
| infinity | On both ATI and nvidia. | 04:27 |
| twb | cube and tremulous worked OK tho | 04:27 |
| twb | infinity: the two I can remember are KOTOR and SMAC | 04:27 |
| rsalveti | infinity: and after reboot, unity 3d running :-) | 04:38 |
| rsalveti | janimo`: with today's image unity-3d is working after installing the pvr driver | 04:38 |
| rsalveti | janimo`: what issue did you get exactly? | 04:39 |
| rsalveti | can you also start just X and call unity by hand to see if you get any useful logs? | 04:39 |
| infinity | rsalveti: Huzzah! | 04:49 |
| infinity | I really need to test all of this on my Panda and see it in action. | 04:49 |
| infinity | The poor thing's been on fire with toolchain builds all week instead of playing with shiny things. | 04:49 |
| infinity | But, once this gcc-4.6/eglibc upload for Debian is done building, it's free again. Finally. | 04:50 |
| rsalveti | hm, seems a bunch of gnome-related changes just landed, running dist-upgrade now | 04:50 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 04:50 |
| scientes | twb, i've had games work | 04:50 |
| scientes | infinity, i couldn't get a framerate over about 3 with ati | 04:50 |
| scientes | i also got a nasty corruption issue (which i managed to fix) | 04:51 |
| infinity | scientes: Ow. | 04:51 |
| scientes | nvidia +wow always worked fine however | 04:51 |
| twb | I know it seems to be JUST me | 04:58 |
| twb | everyone else seems to have wine work fine for everything | 04:58 |
| twb | Although I suspect that's mainly nvidia customers, not the ATI r250 I was using at the time | 04:58 |
| scientes | nvidia certainly is the strongest 3d driver for linux | 05:00 |
| scientes | but nouveau and radeon are certainly coming along | 05:00 |
| scientes | ..however nvidia just broke for me is some way on precise... | 05:01 |
| scientes | since last few kernels | 05:01 |
| === doko_ is now known as doko | ||
| ogra_ | bug 983555 | 07:40 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 983555 in compiz-plugins-extra "compiz-plugins-extra FTBFS on ARM" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/983555 | 07:40 |
| nimesh_accenture | has anyone tried running the ubuntu Oneric 11.10 rootfs over android kernel 3.01 in ICS? | 08:14 |
| scientes | nimesh_accenture, there is no such this as "android kernel 3.01" | 08:29 |
| scientes | AFAIK | 08:29 |
| scientes | each device has a differn't kernel, which is part of the way ARM currently works | 08:29 |
| twb | or doesn't work, as the case may be :P | 08:32 |
| suihkulokki | tsk, tsk, CONFIG_INIT_PASS_ALL_PARAMS is still not merged mainline? | 08:35 |
| nimesh_accenture | scientes: Android has its own patches over the standard linux kernel , which had not recently been upmerged , until 3.3 | 08:37 |
| scientes | nimesh_accenture, indeed, however most embedded devices use more than just android patches | 08:37 |
| scientes | nimesh_accenture, and as 3.3 doesn't have wakelocks booting android on it will eat your battery alive | 08:38 |
| scientes | only a select few boards work with upstream kernels, even with non-android | 08:38 |
| twb | nimesh_accenture: are they all/mostly in, in 3.3. then? | 08:39 |
| twb | Last I heard was "RSN, honest" | 08:39 |
| nimesh_accenture | twb: i'm not sure , but I read an article a few weeks back that android patches have been ypmerged into the std linux kernel , not sure if all had been merged | 08:40 |
| twb | shiiiiiiny | 08:41 |
| nimesh_accenture | scientes: what i'm basically trying to do is create a new rootfs using chrooot in android ICS and then include ubyntu packages and the glibc and the std libc in that root to run applications like g-streamer | 08:43 |
| scientes | nimesh_accenture, that should work just fine, however what does uname -a say | 08:43 |
| scientes | nimesh_accenture, also, see if you have /proc/config.gz | 08:43 |
| scientes | also, bind mount /dev | 08:44 |
| nimesh_accenture | i'm currently on my desktop | 08:44 |
| nimesh_accenture | panda hasn't been booted yet | 08:44 |
| scientes | nimesh_accenture, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.galoula.LinuxInstall&hl=en | 08:45 |
| scientes | thats debian | 08:45 |
| scientes | oh if you have a pandaboard just use the ubuntu pandaboard images | 08:45 |
| scientes | should have said you have a more open device | 08:46 |
| nimesh_accenture | ya but the ubuntu panda board images contain the kernel et. all , i'll have to separate that out from the image and create a new rootfs | 08:48 |
| nimesh_accenture | i mean i've not done it before | 08:49 |
| nimesh_accenture | that is waht i assume | 08:49 |
| scientes | nimesh_accenture, are you trying to dual boot? | 08:51 |
| scientes | whats wrong with the ubuntu kernel? | 08:51 |
| janimo` | rsalveti, wat I tested was an x86 wit pvr not panda, so likely oter issues | 08:52 |
| * janimo` needs to fix te h key | 08:52 | |
| nimesh_accenture | nothing is wrong. I want the Android front end , but the ubuntu back end for apps like g-streamer , which dont run on android root | 08:52 |
| nimesh_accenture | so both will coexist. not dual boot. | 08:54 |
| twb | gstreamer isn't an app | 08:54 |
| nimesh_accenture | an engine i ment | 08:54 |
| twb | I wonder if anyone has filed an ITP for dalvik | 08:54 |
| twb | That would be one of the obvious prerequisites | 08:55 |
| nimesh_accenture | not bothered much abt ITP's at the moment ... | 08:55 |
| nimesh_accenture | guys ... I have a question about rootstock.... does rootstock download packages from the web or does it include it from the local machine? | 10:34 |
| janimo` | nimesh_accenture, from the archives. not the local machine | 10:46 |
| nimesh_accenture | so what do I do if i want to crreate a root fs from my local machine root files? | 10:47 |
| nimesh_accenture | i basically have the server image of oneric and i want all the packages that are included in that package | 10:48 |
| janimo` | nimesh_accenture, I don't think you can reuse your serer image iso from rootstock | 10:52 |
| spych102 | i am having package problems with enabling my pandaboard, in 11.10 and 12.04 | 10:52 |
| nimesh_accenture | ok... | 10:53 |
| nimesh_accenture | one more thing , what does "--seed linux-image-omap" actually do? | 10:53 |
| nimesh_accenture | and do we actually need to give that option? | 10:53 |
| spych102 | what is the best sdcard image to start with and is there a version of omap extras to use | 10:54 |
| janimo` | nimesh_accenture, I think with --seed you specify extra packages to be added to the image which otherwise are not in the default rootstock image | 10:54 |
| janimo` | kernel must be seeded as that is specific to the platform you are building for | 10:54 |
| janimo` | if you add --seed ubuntu-server it may add all dependencies of that metapackage too. I am not sure though I rarely used rootstock and een then I did not understand exactly how it worked | 10:55 |
| LetoThe2nd | isn't rootstock largely outdated? there was even talk about removing it. | 10:55 |
| nimesh_accenture | i dont need the kernel, as i'm trying to chroot on top of Android kernel | 10:56 |
| janimo` | LetoThe2nd, yes it is. I don't know if there's a similarly easy way to build custom images though | 10:56 |
| janimo` | live-build is less straightforward | 10:56 |
| LetoThe2nd | janimo`: no idea, i usually just use debootstrap | 10:57 |
| nimesh_accenture | i basically need to chroot as i need libc and glibc .. so does --seed linux-image-omap , include the kernel in the rootfs tarball? | 10:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | well then whats the matter with debootstrap? set arch, pick the ports mirror, done. | 10:58 |
| nimesh_accenture | i didn't know abt debbootstrap ... i'll check it out | 10:58 |
| nimesh_accenture | thx guys! | 10:58 |
| janimo` | LetoThe2nd, rootstock is debootstrap + adding kernel + initrd basically I think | 11:02 |
| LetoThe2nd | janimo`: me thinks the same. | 11:03 |
| LetoThe2nd | quit | 11:05 |
| nimesh_accenture | so then rootstock "is" debootstrap | 11:06 |
| janimo` | nimesh_accenture, yes, a wrapper around it | 11:06 |
| ogra_ | rootstock didnt (yes its dead and gone from the archive) do anysthing wrt kernel or initrd | 11:09 |
| ogra_ | its essentially debootstrap+apt-get install $seed+a lot of initial setup for the rootfs (creating users, groups and all default configs the installer would normally doetc) | 11:10 |
| ogra_ | and also rootstock was more a wrapper around qemu than around debootstrap (it indeed used debootstrap but that was only a minor part of it) | 11:11 |
| LetoThe2nd | not an adult part? *SCNR* | 11:12 |
| ogra_ | heh | 11:13 |
| nimesh_accenture | ok... | 11:15 |
| nimesh_accenture | so if i dont need the kernel in rootstock , what do i do? | 11:15 |
| nimesh_accenture | or is it included by default? | 11:15 |
| ogra_ | what kernel ? | 11:16 |
| ogra_ | for which target arch | 11:16 |
| ogra_ | s/arch/board/ | 11:16 |
| nimesh_accenture | i'm going to do a chroot from the android kernel , but the ubuntu server oneric rootfs | 11:16 |
| nimesh_accenture | pandaboard | 11:17 |
| ogra_ | why do you do that ? | 11:17 |
| ogra_ | you will have to apply very heavy hacks to userspace to even get networking to work with an android kernel using it in a normal linux distro | 11:17 |
| nimesh_accenture | i want to run gstreamer on the chrooted rootfs, i cant run it on android | 11:17 |
| ogra_ | ah, so you will run a full android and only chroot into the ubuntu rootfs ? | 11:18 |
| nimesh_accenture | yup | 11:18 |
| ogra_ | good luck with that then | 11:18 |
| ogra_ | for a chroot you can easily just use ubuntu-core as a base | 11:19 |
| nimesh_accenture | thx! but will rootstock include the kernel by default? | 11:19 |
| ogra_ | no and i wouldnt count on it to work properly at all, its unmaintained since over a year | 11:21 |
| ogra_ | and has never gotten support for noewer distros ... so its a matter of luck | 11:21 |
| ogra_ | *newer | 11:21 |
| ogra_ | use ubuntu-core instaed | 11:21 |
| ogra_ | and if you want to transfer package selections from oeniric-server to it, use dpkg --get-selections on the server install and dpkg --set-selections in the chroot | 11:22 |
| ogra_ | (and apt-get dselect-upgrade iirc) | 11:23 |
| nimesh_accenture | ah! ok... so no root stocking! thx ogra_! | 11:27 |
| sveinse | For how long will the armel Natty repos live? I don't mean how long its supported, but when will the deb repos disappear? | 11:58 |
| ogra_ | they move with the EOL announcement | 11:58 |
| sveinse | Oct 12 I suppose then? | 11:59 |
| ogra_ | likely | 12:00 |
| sveinse | thanks | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | dunno whats the exact date | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | but around that timeframe should be right | 12:00 |
| sveinse | I'm collecting license/copyright info for a Natty system. I find some packages without any copyright file, e.g. debconf-i18n, fuse-utils, klibc-utils, libgcc1. Do I have to fetch the sources to get their respective licenses? I thought it wasn't possible to publish a deb without copyright. | 12:12 |
| ogra_ | it isnt, there must be one | 12:12 |
| sveinse | Well these don't | 12:13 |
| janimo` | sveinse, dpkg -L fuse-utils show that is has a copytight file | 12:13 |
| janimo` | not much else actually. This is on precise | 12:13 |
| sveinse | I'm reading none in fuse-utils_2.8.4-1.1ubuntu4_armel.deb | 12:14 |
| sveinse | which is the latest in Natty I believe | 12:14 |
| ogra_ | libgcc1 is indeed weird | 12:16 |
| sveinse | Neither in amd64 nor i386. Neither in oneiric either | 12:16 |
| sveinse | The complete list of packages missing copyright is: debconf-i18n, fuse-utils, klibc-utils, libgcc1, libnih-dbus1, libpython2.7, libstdc++6, ntfs-3g, openssh-server, openssl, vim-tiny | 12:20 |
| sveinse | This is from our small embedded system without any GUI | 12:20 |
| ogra_ | sveinse, check /usr/share/doc, some dirs are symlinks ;) | 12:30 |
| ogra_ | (to save space) | 12:30 |
| sveinse | Yeah ok. That's good that they aren't missing | 12:32 |
| sveinse | Sorry for the confusion | 12:32 |
| ogra_ | well, i knew it was a symlink somehow, thanks for asking else i handt looked :) | 12:33 |
| ogra_ | oh ! | 13:20 |
| ogra_ | cute ! | 13:21 |
| ogra_ | http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox | 13:21 |
| lilstevie | ogra_: that thing is nice | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | it is ! | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | and it has eSATA ... | 13:30 |
| lilstevie | great step on the developer support by offering bootrom level recovery | 13:30 |
| lilstevie | and more to the point offering it as a feature | 13:30 |
| pnphi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/933970/ | 13:47 |
| pnphi | help me | 13:47 |
| LetoThe2nd | pnphi: then try to start with a meaningful error description instead of coughing up random output snippets, maybe? ;) | 13:48 |
| ogra_ | looks like you dont have all dependencies your build needs | 13:50 |
| LetoThe2nd | yeah, but whatever that build is/needs... | 13:50 |
| pnphi | so..i have full deps | 14:06 |
| pnphi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/933970/ help me | 14:18 |
| pnphi | i can't fix this err | 14:18 |
| LetoThe2nd | no new information, hence no new help is possible. | 14:19 |
| pnphi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/934066/ | 14:53 |
| pnphi | the err , i can't fix | 14:53 |
| ogra_ | what error ? | 14:54 |
| ogra_ | (there is none in that log, its a successfull build) | 14:54 |
| pnphi | so,i don't see result | 14:55 |
| ogra_ | it isnt in the pbuilder output dir ? | 14:56 |
| pnphi | where is the pbuilder output ? | 14:56 |
| pnphi | \var/cache/pbuilder/results | 14:56 |
| * ogra_ has no idea, i dont use pbuilder | 14:57 | |
| pnphi | var/cache/pbuilder/results --> i don't see the resulr | 14:57 |
| pnphi | var/cache/pbuilder/results --> i don't see the result | 14:57 |
| pnphi | what do you use ? | 14:57 |
| ogra_ | just a clean chroot | 14:58 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: suihkulokki got one cubox at connect | 14:59 |
| rsalveti | quite nice indeed | 14:59 |
| pnphi | detail ? | 14:59 |
| ogra_ | pnphi, google :) | 15:00 |
| pnphi | chroot | 15:00 |
| pnphi | xdeb ? | 15:00 |
| ogra_ | i'm using a chroot on a pandaboard or on a toshiba ac100 | 15:01 |
| pnphi | how to build package armel from source ubuntu ? | 15:04 |
| pnphi | i use pdebuild | 15:04 |
| ogra_ | yes, thats fine | 15:05 |
| pnphi | what the way to good ? | 15:05 |
| nimesh_accenture | i'm trying to follow instructions at: http://omappedia.org/wiki/OMAP_Ubuntu_Core , specifically "Chroot configuration on the Linux PC " . However when I try to chroot , it crashes out giving this error : qemu: fatal: cp15 insn ee1d7f70 | 15:18 |
| ogra_ | make sure to have the proper qemu-lianro package installed | 15:18 |
| ogra_ | *linaro | 15:18 |
| ogra_ | (and ask in linaro if you run into issues with that, they maintain it) | 15:18 |
| nimesh_accenture | im not using an sdcard, but I have the rootfs on a seperate folder... will that make a diff? | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | shouldnt | 15:20 |
| nimesh_accenture | the instruction asks me to copy qemu-arm-static to my new rootfs's usr/bin | 15:21 |
| ogra_ | yes | 15:22 |
| nimesh_accenture | so i did that step | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | thats fine | 15:22 |
| nimesh_accenture | so what additional linaro package do i have to install? | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | make sure to have the proper qemu-lianro package installed | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | *linaro | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | bah, using history doesnt help if there is a typo :P | 15:23 |
| nimesh_accenture | so how do i know which is the proper package ? apt-get install qemu-linaro ? | 15:24 |
| ogra_ | ask in #linaro | 15:24 |
| ogra_ | i cant answer that ... i dont use any cross tools | 15:25 |
| nimesh_accenture | oki | 15:25 |
| === mckoan is now known as mckoan|away | ||
| ogra_ | infinity, hmm, seems also ac100 users see the /init not found issue | 16:18 |
| infinity | Everyone would, yes. | 16:19 |
| infinity | I'm working on it. | 16:19 |
| infinity | Shh. :P | 16:19 |
| ogra_ | heh | 16:19 |
| GrueMaster | The "/init" issue affects all arm as far as I can tell. I am able to reproduce it on Panda with a preseeded netboot install and we are seeing it on armadaxp. | 16:21 |
| GrueMaster | The initial bug is lp:984007 | 16:22 |
| ogra_ | right, i just didnt see it mysefl since i didnt generate any initrd recently | 16:22 |
| ogra_ | but there are plenty people in #ac100 since yesterday that have fallen over systems | 16:23 |
| GrueMaster | So, what package should that bug be filed against for tracking? | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | eglibc i think | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | but it should be fixed today | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | i wouldnt bother with bugs | 16:24 |
| GrueMaster | Bug is already filed, just not against the right package. | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | yes, we discussed it in #arm for the last two hours | 16:25 |
| GrueMaster | elibc in LP brings up purelibc. Is this correct? | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | eglibc | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | or search for "infinitys home" in LP :P | 16:26 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, looks to me like bug 984007 has all the packages right already | 16:29 |
| GrueMaster | Not sure why it was targeted at d-i. Not sure how they correlate, as the install works, just post install boot that doesn't. | 16:29 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 984007 in initramfs-tools "netinst d-i fails on armhf" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/984007 | 16:29 |
| GrueMaster | When I first cracked it open, only "The Eilt Project" was listed. Which is why I asked about the package. | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | ah | 16:31 |
| GrueMaster | Multiple fingers in the pie. | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | well, as i said, the eilt team kept us busy discussiong it for the last 2h :) | 16:31 |
| GrueMaster | Yes, I know. I saw the scrollback. | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | (until infinity showed up and said "yeah, i broke it" ) ;) | 16:32 |
| GrueMaster | And was also asked to reproduce it here. | 16:32 |
| ogra_ | oh my | 16:32 |
| ogra_ | howb about they start discussions in the right place so it doesnt need someone to carry over the transcription :P | 16:32 |
| GrueMaster | This issue appears to have been discussed in 4 separate channels then. 2 on our servers, #ac100, and here. | 16:34 |
| GrueMaster | So, define "The Right Place". | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | here | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | unless there is highly confidential info to be tossed around :P | 16:35 |
| spych102 | i can't install omap extras because the graphics and multimedia packages don't install properly, is there another way to install the omap extras manually? | 17:07 |
| pnphi | pbuilder-satisfydepends failed | 17:35 |
| pnphi | what the err ? | 17:36 |
| === jkridner_____ is now known as jkridner | ||
| djszapi | ogra_: hey | 17:41 |
| djszapi | for some reasons, my binary is not executed after reboot even after installing the relevant upstart job. :/ | 17:41 |
| pnphi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/934294/\\ | 17:46 |
| pnphi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/934294/\ | 17:46 |
| pnphi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/934294/ | 17:47 |
| pnphi | i cant fix this err | 17:47 |
| ogra_ | LetoThe2nd, bug 984007 | 18:06 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 984007 in initramfs-tools "netinst d-i fails on armhf" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/984007 | 18:06 |
| LetoThe2nd | hm, after netinstalling on the panda, how to fixup the locales? dpkg-reconfigure locales regenerates things, but does not offer me to change them | 20:16 |
| rcn-ee | LetoThe2nd, i usually "sudo update-locale LANG="en_US.UTF-8" LANGUAGE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8"" or whatever you want.. | 20:21 |
| LetoThe2nd | rcn-ee: basically i just want to change the encoding to something sane. for messages and everything else, "C" is totally fine. | 20:22 |
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| scientes | FUUUUUUUU | 21:12 |
| scientes | "That´s the case of the FlexCAN interface, the i.MX53 Support it, but the QSB Board does not have access to this interface. I apologize for this inconvenience. | 21:12 |
| scientes | " | 21:12 |
| scientes | -freescale email | 21:12 |
| jimerickson | just did an update and rebooted pandaboard and all i get is a kernel panic. going to re-image card with todays image and try again. | 21:14 |
| LetoThe2nd | jimerickson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/984007 | 21:15 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 984007 in eglibc "netinst d-i fails on armhf" [Critical,In progress] | 21:15 |
| jimerickson | ok thanks at least they know about it. | 21:16 |
| LetoThe2nd | jimerickson: looks like initramfs-tools is/was broken | 21:16 |
| jimerickson | so i should wait on any updates after i re-image the card | 21:30 |
| LetoThe2nd | jimerickson: bugtracker says fix released... | 21:31 |
| jimerickson | ok thanks LetoThe2nd | 21:32 |
| GrueMaster | jimerickson: I would wait until tomorrow's images are built. The current ones are broken. | 22:07 |
| scientes | jimerickson, or you could fix it up with qemu-arm-static and the specific fixed versin | 22:10 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| avinashhm | Hi , has any one used alsamixer in linaro-nano OR linaro-developer .. after installing alsamixer, when i launch, i get strange characters on the screen .. may be something related to color packages .. but not exactly sure .. has anyone tried alsa mixer on -nano OR -developer .. pls do give any pointers | 22:58 |
| avinashhm | I am getting o/p like - http://paste.ubuntu.com/934710/ | 22:59 |
| jimerickson | GrueMaster: yes. broken. waiting... | 23:09 |
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