[10:35] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:41] <slashtommy> good morning
[10:42] <slashtommy> how's limerick?
[10:42] <czajkowski> overcast today
[10:42] <czajkowski> was rather pretty yesteray
[10:44] <czajkowski> saying that it's not lashing
[15:16] <czajkowski> anyoen know where I'd find rules about bringing dogs into ireland from eu ?
[15:18] <czajkowski> ebel: *pokeage*
[15:18] <ebel> ahoy
[15:18]  * ebel has no idea how to import a dog…
[15:18] <czajkowski> bah you usually know lots of random facts
[15:18] <ebel> you could look at a pet passport? or one of those silly 6 month quantine thinges
[15:18] <ebel> Depends if you mean UK or rest of EU.
[15:19] <ebel> don't think there's any rabies in UK, which /might/ make matters easier
[15:20] <czajkowski> isle of man
[15:20] <ebel> don't think isle of man is in EU :P
[15:20] <ebel> tisn't even in UK
[15:20] <czajkowski> bah
[15:21] <ebel> (Then again EU borders brazil, so things are funny :) )
[15:21] <slashtommy> ireland is in the EU, so are you thinking about bringing a dog from limerick to dublin?
[15:21] <czajkowski> nooooo
[15:21] <ebel> slashtommy: pedant. "into ireland from eu"
[15:22] <ebel> slashtommy: wonder would áine know? you'd presume they'd know about moving dogs around…
[15:22] <slashtommy> ok, derry to dublin
[15:22] <slashtommy> try the ferry company
[15:23] <slashtommy> they would be the people who require the documentation
[15:23] <slashtommy> also, isle of man of CTA
[15:23] <slashtommy> so you would probably be fine
[15:23] <czajkowski> what is CTA ?
[15:24] <slashtommy> common travel area
[15:24] <ebel> CTA = common travel area, and is why you can drive to northern ireland without needing a passport
[15:24] <slashtommy> in includes UK, Ireland, Isle of Man and Channel Islands
[15:24] <ebel> it's like a tiny little schengen area for ireland, uk etc.
[15:24] <slashtommy> ever wonder why when you land in heathrow, you aren't required to present your passport
[15:25] <czajkowski> I am
[15:25] <czajkowski> every time
[15:25] <czajkowski> thought I go through the automatic thingy now that just scans
[15:25] <slashtommy> nope, we weren't
[15:25] <czajkowski> so very handy
[15:26] <ebel> czajkowski: you are legally allowed to present just a driving licence or whatever.
[15:26] <slashtommy> and we weren't when we flew into Gatwick or Birmingham
[15:26] <czajkowski> if I go through the manual one I just show the bording card thats fine
[15:26] <ebel> though some airlines (e.g. ryanair) will not let you check in without a passport
[15:26] <ebel> however the (say) french border control insist on passport
[15:26] <slashtommy> there is no passport control for flights from Ireland landing at Birmingham, Heathrow, Bristol or Gatwick
[15:26] <czajkowski> yup
[15:26] <czajkowski> jon travels over here on his drivers licence with aer lingus
[15:26] <slashtommy> i have confirmed those in person
[15:27] <czajkowski> but I have seen people refused with that with ryanair
[15:27] <slashtommy> czajkowski: i'm talking about arriving, not departing
[15:27] <czajkowski> ahhh
[15:27] <czajkowski> ok
[15:27] <slashtommy> UK and Ireland airports do not require to see your passport/ID until you're at the gate
[15:27] <slashtommy> there is no outgoing passport control
[15:28] <slashtommy> there is only outgoing passport control when flying from schengen out
[15:29] <slashtommy> you meet passport control when arriving into dublin, but if arriving from CTA airports you can show your driving licence
[15:30] <slashtommy> i have used both british and irish driving licences
[15:30] <slashtommy> i don't know about shannon, don't intend to go there
[15:30] <czajkowski> nods
[15:31] <ebel> czajkowski: these lads seem to do pet passports http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/pets/
[15:32] <czajkowski> great thanks
[15:32] <ebel> czajkowski: maybe ring 'em up and explain it? or contact the port/airport where you intent to enter ireland
[15:32] <ebel> since isle of man (a) isn't EU and (b) might be closer (and hence laxer regs) than rest of eu
[15:32] <czajkowski> aye
[15:32] <czajkowski> all will become clear
[15:32] <czajkowski> :)
[15:32] <czajkowski> cheers folks
[18:29] <neuro_sys> o/
[18:29] <neuro_sys> also \o
[18:29] <czajkowski> neuro_sys: aloha
[18:29] <czajkowski> Take a peek at a bunch of Microsoft lobbying documents sent to the cabinet office - don't miss the footer on the Microsoft email claiming exemption from the Freedom of Information act. The Cabinet office doesn't give a stuff what Microsoft think is exempt any more. http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/open_standards_when_specifying_i
[18:31] <neuro_sys> does any of you dig literature? :-p I need some random literary text to write a random paper about for the class.
[18:32] <czajkowski> wanna try that again ?
[18:32] <neuro_sys> I mean, I need recommendations for any piece of literature which was produced by some irish individual.
[18:33] <zmoylan> wilde, joyce
[18:33] <zmoylan> gb shaw
[18:34] <zmoylan> swift
[18:34] <neuro_sys> I think it needs to be less known, less british (excluding joyce).
[18:34] <neuro_sys> anyway, those as well could be done though, I'll find something.
[18:34] <zmoylan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_writers
[18:35] <zmoylan> many many authors
[18:35] <neuro_sys> actually I loved Flann O'Brien.
[18:35] <zmoylan> personally i love shaw, wilde and swift.  just so far beyond their contemporaries.
[18:36] <neuro_sys> yaay, I'll do Lord Dunsany then
[18:37] <neuro_sys> I love them too. they're like just too english, except maybe swift? I may be purely delusional about that by ignorance though.
[18:37] <czajkowski> clearly
[18:38] <zmoylan> i read wilde and shaw as incredibly irish.  found out at aunts funeral that she had corresponded with shaw when she was young.
[18:41] <neuro_sys> I don't know nothing about irish except their women should be incredibly hot.
[18:42] <zmoylan> that's an odd comment
[18:42] <zmoylan> too much a generalisation
[18:42] <neuro_sys> some sort of optimism