[06:04] <gotwig> hey
[06:04] <gotwig> I have a question where can I find the translation templates for ISOLINUX?
[06:10] <gotwig> jono: morning
[06:10] <jono> hey gotwig
[06:12] <gotwig> I have a question where can I find the translation templates for ISOLINUX?
[06:12] <gotwig> kelemengabor: morning
[06:12] <kelemengabor> morning gotwig
[06:13] <jono> gotwig, no idea
[06:15] <gotwig> its important for german precise translations
[13:51] <Mirv> 16:20 < mvo> Mirv: hey, I fixed the ddtp import stuff today I think so hopefully by tomorrow LP has merged the updated strings
[13:55] <dpm> Mirv, \o/ cool, thanks for the follow-up
[14:27] <dpm> bug 894902
[14:31] <dpm> second try...
[14:31] <dpm> bug 894092
[14:32] <hannie> dpm, hi, do you have a minute?
[14:33] <dpm> hi hannie, sure
[14:34] <hannie> ok, a question:
[14:35] <hannie> What happens to upstream translations made in LP?
[14:35] <hannie> One of our translators has made changes to gnome packages, and we are not happy with that
[14:37] <hannie> Should we manually import the packages from Gnome or does that happen automatically?
[14:37]  * trijntje is reading along
[14:37] <hannie> trijntje, please join the discussion
[14:38] <dpm> hannie, in short: a) if you change something on Launchpad overriding the upstream translations, the Launchpad translations will be used until someone manually undoes that. If you translate something that wasn't translated upstream before and later on it is translated upstream and imported, the upstream translations will be used
[14:38] <dpm> sorry, the If... part was supposed to be b)
[14:39] <hannie> Let me try and understand it
[14:39] <dpm> so in summary, I'd suggest undoing the changes in LP
[14:39] <dpm> if you show me one of the translations we can perhaps be all on the same page and I'll be better able to help
[14:39] <hannie> dpm, have you any idea how much work that would be?
[14:40] <hannie> trijntje, could you give dpm a link?
[14:40] <hannie> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/pulseaudio/+pots/pulseaudio/nl/+translate?show=changed_in_ubuntu
[14:41] <hannie> dpm, can you see pulseaudio, string #6?
[14:42] <dpm> sorry, got disconnected, just a sec
[14:42] <dpm> let me paste my previous answer:
[14:42] <dpm> hannie, it's just a matter of changing the translations in LP. So if it's one or two translations, it should take less than 30 seconds, if it's like 100s, it will take... well the time it takes to manually modify 100s of transaltions in LP
[14:43] <hannie>  https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/pulseaudio/+pots/pulseaudio/nl/+translate?show=changed_in_ubuntu
[14:43] <hannie> dpm, can you see pulseaudio, string #6?
[14:43] <trijntje> dpm: and if we would merge upstream translations into the template from launchpad and import those, would the translations make it in before the deadline?
[14:43] <RawChid> But as hannie suggested, we can upload a .po from upstream manually?
[14:44] <dpm> wait, I believe you are making it a bit more complicated than it is. Can't you just choose the right translation in Launchpad and press Save?
[14:44] <RawChid> Yes we can dpm
[14:45] <hannie> dpm, we are talking about A GREAT DEAL of translations
[14:45] <RawChid> trijntje: can you  tell us how much strings we're talking about?
[14:45] <dpm> hannie, how many exactly is a great deal, 200, 100, 500?
[14:45] <dpm> are this the 187 strings I can see in LP?
[14:45] <hannie> trijntje has the statistics. just a sec
[14:45] <trijntje> over 800 probably
[14:46] <hannie> oops! That many?
[14:46] <RawChid> dpm, other question (also for my knowledge) . If we upload an upstream .po (by hand in web interface) Will it override (again) the current translations?
[14:47] <trijntje> yes, from looking at the 'changed from upstream' column on the overview page
[14:47] <dpm> trijntje, where do you see 800? I can see "1 → 50 of 187 results"
[14:47] <hannie> then that seems to be the only way
[14:48] <hannie> dpm, pulseaudio is just one example.
[14:48] <hannie> There are many more packages where changes have been made
[14:48] <trijntje> exactly
[14:49] <dpm> RawChid, yes, it would. But today is the last day for translations, and the imports queue in LP is quite full, so if you upload a PO file, it will take a couple of days to import, whereas in the LP web interface it should be instant
[14:49] <dpm> although it's going to be a bit of a pain to change them manually
[14:50] <hannie> guys, perhaps we have to wait till the first language pack update
[14:51] <dpm> you can start doing it for a few packages if you want, and it shouldn't take that long. Here's a trick:
[14:52] <dpm> You can append &batch=50 to the url to return more results. For example, you can change all pulseaudio translations in say 10 minutes by pointing and clicking:
[14:52] <dpm> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/pulseaudio/+pots/pulseaudio/nl/+translate?show=changed_in_ubuntu&batch=50
[14:53] <dpm> I need to prepare for a meeting, bbl
[14:53] <trijntje> hannie: you never get a chance to make a first impression ;)
[14:53] <hannie> thanks, dpm
[14:53] <hannie> trijntje, RawChid we can go back to mwanzo, ok
[14:54] <RawChid> Oke, thnx for the heads up
[14:54] <trijntje> good to know that imports wont make it in for the deadline, thanks
[15:03] <dpm> trijntje, yes. As a rule of thumb it's a good idea to do any manual uploads a week before the deadline, as the imports queue tends to be quite full on the last days before that
[15:04] <dpm> but anything you save in LP through the web UI makes it to language packs up until the deadline instantly
[15:04] <hannie> dpm, thanks for your help and useful information
[15:05] <dpm> np ;-)
[17:20] <gotwig> help
[17:20] <gotwig> kelemengabor: PM? IMHO a critical situation
[17:21] <kelemengabor> gotwig: it's better to ask here :)
[17:23] <gotwig_> back
[17:27] <gotwig_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DHNz26wUJR6y8rUrR1zVJ_tYW3EoFAmOgwUMhSqY76k/edit
[17:47] <artnay> Mirv, dpm: if ddtp just started working today, isn't there a need for a rebuild? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline was on the 12th of April
[18:45] <Mirv> artnay: it's not built, it's uploaded to be part of repository translations content. so, it's just one of the items usually scheduled to be done already earlier, but can be done at any point.