[06:20] <JohnRobert> turns out my wife has been shagging someone else too
[06:20] <JohnRobert> that's good news!
[06:31] <JohnRobert> whoops, this is totally the wrong channel
[06:31] <JohnRobert> and wrong network.
[06:31] <JohnRobert> and it's logged :(
[06:32]  * JohnRobert cowers away for a good month or so until this blows over.
[06:49] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:59] <popey> morning all
[07:06] <MooDoo> morning
[07:09] <mattt> what the hell was that
[07:13] <MooDoo> mattt: ?
[07:13] <MooDoo> ah just seen above lol
[07:18] <diplo> Morning al
[07:18] <diplo> l
[07:20] <mattt> MooDoo: :)
[07:24] <DJones> Morning
[07:31] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:47] <mattt> czajkowski: morning
[08:15] <DJones> I'm glad I'm not working in London next week, 3 day tube strike, maintenance and upgrade staff, so wonder how that will affect the running of them
[08:16] <oimon> what?
[08:16] <oimon> tube strike?
[08:17] <oimon> ah, hopefully that won't affect stations
[08:18] <DJones> oimon: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17738569
[08:20] <oimon> bob crow is a greedy greedy man
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> How can you strike for 72 hours on one day?
[08:23] <oimon> btw if you are on an irc channel with no ops, how does one gain ops privs?
[08:24] <MooDoo> oimon: you don't
[08:24] <MooDoo> oimon: unless you can find an op or the channel owner, i suppose you could contact freenode staff ?
[08:24] <lornajane> oimon: you hunt down someone with ops privs, or you talk to the freenode staff I guess
[08:25] <oimon> ok, thanks
[08:26] <DJones> oimon: Look at the access list for the channel, that'll tell you who the op s are
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> \o/ chanserv
[08:34] <JamesTait> Morning all! :)
[08:34] <popey> yes!
[08:40] <directhex> oimon, a network oper can possibly grant ops, depending on the ircd they use (we use inspircd for work, and i have this power)
[08:48] <oimon> tihnk i've solved my terrible graphics performance
[08:49] <oimon> switched my nvidia nvs 290 card with a geforce en210 (£20 ebuyer), and performance is much much better
[08:49] <oimon> wonder if it's a driver issue or crappy card
[08:53] <gord> oimon, the nvidia nvs/quadro numbers and the geforce numbers aren't equivalent, so the gefoce 210 is much newer/advanced than the old geforce 8000 based quadro/nvs card you had
[08:53] <gord> nvidia likes to keep the numbers confusing
[08:54] <oimon> i think there's a particular issue with the nvs290 judging by launchpad and askubuntu
[08:54] <oimon> with dual monitors
[09:07] <directhex> looks like the nvs 290 is a rebadged GeForce 8400 GS?
[09:08] <awilkins>  So ; the HUD menu still summons for applications that do not integrate with the global menu, e.g. Eclipse, or GVim invoked from a terminal.
[09:08] <directhex> on paper the geforce 210 is about 50% faster - mostly because the clock speed is about 50% faster
[09:09] <popey> awilkins: yes, by design
[09:10] <popey> awilkins: it should find the menus in the current focussed app and other stuff like indicators, so from anywhere you could (for example) shutdown/suspend
[09:10] <awilkins> popey, I suppose it has utility for that, but it opens with the selected app icon even if it cannot service it with menus, which I suspect could cause some frustration.
[09:13] <popey> awilkins: que?
[09:14] <awilkins> popey, Opening the hud on, say, Eclipse, shows the Eclipse icon, even though you cannot access the Eclipse menus from the HUD == misleading
[09:14] <popey> ahh
[09:15] <popey> sounds like a bug
[09:15]  * popey tickles gord 
[09:17] <gord> sounds like a bug with eclipse!
[09:17] <awilkins> I do have the misfortune of using at least 2 applications that don't integrate nicely with the global menu
[09:17] <awilkins> The other being gvim-started-from-a-terminal
[09:18] <awilkins> Not that I use the menus often in vim
[09:19] <gord> vim kind of has its own hud ;)
[09:21] <awilkins> The only real annoyance with gvim is that it spews a "WARNING **: Unable to create Ubuntu Menu Proxy: Timeout was reached" onto the terminal after a while. At least it fails immediately now, and doesn't hang around before it restores the "real" menu, which made the window jump a bit.
[09:24] <popey> why would you start gvim from the terminal?
[09:24] <popey> i guess if you're in a shell already
[09:25] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:26] <awilkins> popey, Aye, I like to do things like grep for lists of files and open them in gvim
[09:26] <awilkins> The shell remains the killer productivity app of *nix systems
[09:29] <daubers> Hello, a question someone might be able to answer for me
[09:29] <daubers> What does "sticky edges" mean in the display setup window?
[09:30] <awilkins> It's the "ridge" in the middle of a double monitor
[09:30] <daubers> So why is it a "yes/no" question?
[09:30] <DJones> daubers: http://askubuntu.com/questions/119281/what-is-the-function-of-the-sticky-edges-on-off-setting-in-displays
[09:31] <DJones>  If "Sticky Edges" is enabled the mouse stopps on the edge.
[09:31] <gord> firefox keeps trying to correct my spelling to german and i don't know why :(
[09:31] <daubers> I see!!
[09:31] <daubers> That makes more sense
[09:32] <daubers> Have to say, the multi display setup is quite nice now
[09:32] <daubers> (compared to what it was)
[09:33] <lornajane> I'm just happy I don't have to restart X :)  xrandr lets me do everything I need
[09:33]  * awilkins is still using nvidia TwinView and thus just has one ginormous display
[09:34] <awilkins> Actually, visiting the display property has removed my second launch bar (because it's one ginormous display, it only has one left edge)
[09:36] <lornajane> this new machine I have is a tablet, but it scales the touchpadness across your desktop ... so with a second monitor, your touches across one screen get mapped to locations across two.  Not really useful!
[09:36] <popey> haha, i have seen this happen ☺
[09:36] <popey> awesome isnt it.
[09:37] <lornajane> popey: it was slightly weird until I understood what was happening
[09:37] <lornajane> it now makes sense - and I probably don't want to touch screen much anyway while it's docked
[09:37] <lornajane> I'm having issues installing a virtual keyboard though, which is a bit of a shame
[09:37] <lornajane> I've mislaid my sysadmin this week so I'm writing him a list
[09:38] <popey> maliit is quite a nice virtual keyboard
[09:38] <popey> they have some nice videos showing what it can do http://www.youtube.com/user/maliitorg/videos
[09:39] <lornajane> popey: I will take a look!  I tried to install florence but after a forest of dependencies, it says it can't find something I definitely have
[09:50] <czajkowski> hmmm odd bug I think but hard to reproduce.  Watching movies on laptop press pause come back to it and press play and no sound, have to restart movie to get sound back again, but doesn't happen every time
[09:51] <ali1234> pulseaudio is broken yet again
[09:52] <gord> i wouldn't jump to that conclusion
[09:52] <gord> totem could be buggy, which wouldn't be surprising, or gstreamer
[09:52] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/981629
[09:53] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine1.4/+bug/978293
[09:53] <ali1234> note: both regressions
[09:53] <ali1234> both started happening at the same time
[09:54] <ali1234> i also lose sound in flash from time to time
[09:54] <ali1234> it's just like going back in time 2 years basically
[09:54]  * popey makes the wibbly time travel type noises
[09:55] <popey> hey, heard about Unity!? It looks _awesome_!
[09:55] <popey> etc
[09:57] <davmor2> morning all
[09:57] <davmor2> MooDoo: Mooo!
[09:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[09:57] <czajkowski> herrrro
[09:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: alreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
[09:58] <davmor2> MooDoo: hows things
[09:58] <brobostigon> http://www.osnews.com/story/25828/Original_Prince_of_Persia_code_found_and_released_as_open_source :)
[09:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: how's the emerald isle
[09:58] <MooDoo> davmor2: not to bad thank you
[09:58] <czajkowski> fandiddly tastic don't you know
[09:58] <czajkowski> :)
[09:58] <czajkowski> I'm here :)
[09:58] <czajkowski> having an ubuntu meet up thursday in limerick
[09:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: nice
[10:14] <popey> czajkowski: just saw someone in the office and thought it was you
[10:15] <popey> realised you're not in the uk some time later
[10:16] <czajkowski> hah
[10:19]  * daubers suggests someone gets some infiniband gear after saturating a 2 port 10GbE bond
[10:23] <dwatkins> yeah, IB can be pretty awesome
[10:23] <dwatkins> SGI use it for some of their high speed clustering stuffs.
[10:28] <daubers> dwatkins: These guys are running some renderfarms, the storage is getting eaten alive.. but has bottlenecked on the network
[10:28] <directhex> IB is pretty much the only HPC interconnect anyone uses anymore
[10:29] <directhex> quadrics is dead (well, bought by bull for their proprietary use). dolphin died a while ago. nobody likes working with myricom so nobody buys myrinet
[10:29] <directhex> whereas even companies like supermicro put IB integrated onto a mobo
[10:29]  * daubers quites like myricom..... 
[10:29] <directhex> ever met dave pegan?
[10:29] <daubers> infiniband stuff is quicker than most of their stuff
[10:29] <directhex> the myricom boss?
[10:29] <daubers> directhex: No....
[10:30] <directhex> he's... a stereotypical texan douchebag boss
[10:30] <daubers> directhex: I keep getting 10GbE card manufacturers coming to me saying their 10GbE card is faster than everyone elses.... but they all perform the same in the end
[10:51] <czajkowski> folks might be interested in this http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/sfs-2012.html
[10:58] <directhex> daubers, IB isn't really about the bandwidth though, t'is all about latency
[10:58] <daubers> directhex: I'm just after the bandwidth really. Latency reduction is a nice side effect
[11:25] <czajkowski> A tale of two travesties - http://blog.launchpad.net/general/a-tale-of-two-travesties
[11:38] <bigcalm> Ug
[11:38] <bigcalm> popey: did you have trouble unplugging the mini sas connector on your proliant?
[11:38] <bigcalm> My fingers hurt and its not moving
[11:41] <diplo> Wat part bigcalm ?
[11:41] <diplo> I've got one as well
[11:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: dude you're online
[11:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: has your irc proxy/server gone away?
[11:46] <DJones> davmor2: I think bigcalm has gone away, not just the proxy/server
[11:47] <davmor2> DJones: well that's just not sporting how am I meant to pick on him if he isn't here
[11:47] <DJones> Just use memoserv :)
[11:55] <popey> bigcalm: its a bit fiddly, yes
[12:06] <bigcalm> davmor2: I've been doing work. My connection has been fine, just needed to concentrate :)
[12:06] <bigcalm> popey: managed it in the end with a tool my dad gave me years ago. Looks like something a dentist would prod your teeth with
[12:08] <popey> bigcalm: i just squeezed it
[12:08] <bigcalm> popey: mine has a slightly wonky retaining tooth, so squeezing it wasn't moving it
[12:08] <bigcalm> My fingers still hurt :(
[12:08] <popey> heh
[12:08] <bigcalm> 8gb ecc ram detected \o/
[12:09] <bigcalm> Running a memtest maybe wasn't the best idea during a work day though
[12:09] <bigcalm> I love how neat and compact is in that case
[12:09] <bigcalm> So glad I got one
[12:09] <popey> ☺
[12:11] <bigcalm> Right, lets see how easy it is to set up RAID 1
[12:20] <syruss> does anyone know how I can force a specific drive geometry in linux?
[12:20] <syruss> basically, I have a 3TB connected via usb (only way on my laptop) and it's coming up as a 768gb disk
[12:20] <syruss> (as the sectors are set to 512 instead of 4096 or whatever it is..)
[12:21] <syruss> works fine on windows 7
[12:21] <syruss> (I'm running the beta 12.04 ubuntu.. also I checked the latest kernel logs and there's no mention of a fix for this)
[12:21] <syruss> kernel.org git logs that is
[12:22] <directhex> syruss, the drive works via usb in windows?
[12:22] <syruss> yup
[12:23] <syruss> well, the issue is it's got ext4 partitions, the fs2 driver (and the other one) don't work on win7 properly.. first one is 32bit and the other one just bluescreens if I try and mount the partition
[12:23] <syruss> basically I'm trying to get the data off this hard disk that was out of one of those mybook live NAS'es that got fried in an electrical storm (the controller board was fried but the hard disk survived)
[12:23] <directhex> what does parted show?
[12:23] <syruss> shows it as a 768gb hdd
[12:24] <syruss> in windows, drive management shows all the partitions and the correct size and sizes
[12:24] <directhex> and it's a GPT-partitioned disk?
[12:24] <syruss> so it must be possible
[12:24] <syruss> it is GPT partitioned yes
[12:24] <syruss> fdisk -l shows the correct partition information, it's just the kernel is recognising the disk as the wrong size
[12:24] <syruss> so really it's not anything to do with partition types etc
[12:24] <directhex> fdisk can't operate correctly on gpt
[12:25] <syruss> if the kernel can't detect the right geometry for the disk then nothing else matters as it'll never work
[12:25] <syruss> so the only work around I can think of is manually specifying 4096 sectors rather than 512 manually somehow...
[12:25] <syruss> I've scoured google like mad but can't seem to find anything
[12:27] <directhex> and /sys/block/sdX/queue/physical_block_size says 512?
[12:27] <syruss> well, I found one thing, which suggested I can pass the geometry to the kernel via /proc but that was only for internal devices
[12:28] <syruss> hang on directhex, just booting back out of grub
[12:29] <awilkins> This page would suggest that Linux doesn't actually care about disk geometry (but fdisk thinks about it) and that if you can't mount a partition, the problem is something else
[12:29] <awilkins> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-14.html
[12:29] <syruss> it does say 512 yeah
[12:29]  * awilkins knows not about fiddly RAID setups thoug
[12:29] <syruss> well awilkins, dmesg presents the wrong disk size
[12:30] <syruss> and that in turn makes fdisk, and everything else suffer as they all get confused as they think it's a 768gb disk rather than a 3tb
[12:31] <syruss> and I can't write to /sys :(
[12:31] <syruss> well, to that node
[12:31] <awilkins> Could you pass the kernel boot params e.g. hdd=cyls,heads,sectors ?
[12:32] <syruss> possibly, I'm not sure of the syntax, I was trying to find that out
[12:32]  * awilkins doesn't know how to do that for USB
[12:32] <syruss> ^
[12:33] <oimon> anyone getting white screen when maximising chromium?
[12:33] <oimon> can't reproduce every time
[12:33] <bigcalm> Humm
[12:33] <bigcalm> I was expecting the 12.04 installer to walk me though setting up LVM
[12:34] <bigcalm> So far it looks as though it's only using 1 disk
[12:37] <bigcalm> Is there a suggested lvm howto to follow, or shall I just pick one at random?
[12:37] <bigcalm> Currently looking at http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/40702/how-to-manage-and-use-lvm-logical-volume-management-in-ubuntu/
[12:37] <DJones> bigcalm: There is https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html Looks like teh 12.04 version hasn't been published yet
[12:37] <bigcalm> DJones: thanks :)
[12:37] <DJones> LVM is about 2/3rds of the way down
[12:38]  * bigcalm restarts installation 
[12:39] <syruss> doh, I can't see me getting the data off these disks any time soon
[12:39] <syruss> *disk
[12:50] <j0nr> hey folks
[12:51] <j0nr> anyone heard of or use or know of www.bluelighthost.com ?
[12:51] <j0nr> Their deals seem extraordinarily good or am I missing something
[12:52] <ali1234> prices don't look that good to me
[12:52] <ali1234> looks pretty average
[12:52] <j0nr> really?
[12:53] <ali1234> yeah really
[12:53] <ali1234> i know of several people who use this: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex5
[12:53] <j0nr> for 15gbp p/m I get 4GB RAM, 100GB storage, 5TB bandwidth
[12:53] <ali1234> they aren't constantly complaining about it, so it must be ok :)
[12:54] <j0nr> I am paying that know and only get ~650MB RAM, 45GB storage
[12:55] <ali1234> and are you reaching the limits?
[12:56] <ali1234> i think a more likely explanation is whoever you are using now is really expensive
[12:56] <j0nr> memory always seems an issue
[12:57] <j0nr> but for the same money that bluelighthost seems worlds better
[13:01]  * bigcalm reads up
[13:01] <bigcalm> DJones: I don't think I've ever used memoserv
[13:02] <DJones> bigcalm: I doubt many people do
[13:03] <DJones> Having just tried it, I have 0 memo's since registering with freenode
[13:10] <bigcalm> Gah!
[13:11] <bigcalm> The instructions on this page don't make sense :)
[13:11] <bigcalm> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html (as pasted by DJones)
[13:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: report it as a bug then dude that is the official documentation if that doesn't make sense then it should, that or it's too hard for you :P
[13:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: might be the latter
[13:13] <ali1234> which part doesn't make sense?
[13:14] <bigcalm> Ignore me :(
[13:15] <bigcalm> My mind was skipping some words and thus it didn't make sense
[13:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: Repeat after me D'oh!
[13:22]  * bigcalm pins this page to the back of his hand
[13:31] <syruss> well this new cookie law is the first insane law to pass
[13:31] <syruss> in a while
[13:33]  * BigRedS demands some cookies
[13:33]  * oimon is eating his son's easter egg
[13:33] <BigRedS> the things you do for your kids
[13:33] <oimon> i'm not even hungry
[13:35] <BigRedS> haha
[13:39] <diplo> BigRedS, I was eating my kids yesterday
[13:39] <diplo> :D
[13:39] <diplo> They had to many, honestly!
[13:39] <bigcalm> diplo: canibal
[13:39] <DJones> diplo: Did you BBQ the kids first?
[13:39] <diplo> :D
[13:40] <diplo> After what they ahve been like this weekend It was *very very* close
[13:40] <diplo> :)
[13:50] <diplo> ahem :D
[13:50] <BigRedS> haha
[13:54]  * DJones waits for child protection services to visit diplo 
[13:55] <Gary> omnomnom
[13:56] <Dave2> :o
[13:59] <davmor2> popey: nicely done however I think we are gradually getting the longest topic :D
[14:01] <Dave2> nah, I've seen far longer
[14:03] <diplo> Ooh blimey, fire alarm just being going off
[14:03] <diplo> We have a siren about 2 foot away from my desk and it's peeing down outside
[14:03] <diplo> :(
[14:03] <diplo> My ears are still ringing
[14:11] <jpds> diplo: That's child protection incapacitating your ears.
[14:14]  * diplo crys in the corner after all you bullies :'(
[14:15] <davmor2> diplo: if you cry in the corner then the bullies won, don't let them win they have some bullying left I'm sure ;)
[14:21] <DJones> Depends how much crying there is, if theres enough, the bullies could drown
[14:21] <daubers_> Or if you could cry tears of acid
[14:21] <daubers_> that would be cool
[14:22] <davmor2> diplo: on second thought keep crying we need to put an end to the drought some how :D
[14:24] <diplo> I'm smiling now
[14:24] <mattt> cry dammit cry
[14:25] <diplo> Get me some onions!
[14:59] <bigcalm> "I am pleased to inform you that your HP ProLiant Microserver Promotion request has been approved and details are below for your reference."
[14:59]  * bigcalm bounces
[15:04] <oimon> where does u1 download my document to when running android?
[15:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's your £100 back right
[15:04] <bigcalm> Daviey: yep
[15:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: tab fail fool
[15:05] <bigcalm> davmor2: with p&p and vat, the order came to £250. So the micro server for £150 isn't too bad
[15:05] <bigcalm> bigcalm: you fail with tab
[15:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: nice
[15:08] <diplo> bigcalm, they were quite prompt with the cheque as well
[15:09] <diplo> Getting work to order me one as well
[15:09] <bigcalm> diplo: within 45 days... Lets hope so ;)
[15:09] <diplo> Got mine in half that I think
[15:10] <davmor2_> sneaks up on bigcalm and tickles him
[15:10] <diplo> I got it before I got charged interest on the Credit card anyhoo
[15:13] <bigcalm> davmor2_: have you been cloning yourself?
[15:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: no it was the easy way to keep my laptop version of xchat logs the same as my desktop for thursday
[15:24] <bigcalm> I see
[15:28] <oimon> is there an extension to improve the bookmark manager in chrom/ium?
[15:29] <bigcalm> I use xmarks on all of my browsers
[15:29] <oimon> i thought that shut down?
[15:30] <bigcalm> Nope, it was bought
[15:30] <oimon> the chromium manaer is half baked
[15:39] <oimon> tbh i never actually use bookmarks after saving them
[15:48] <BigRedS> I've four or five I use for work, but they're only bookmarked to guarantee they're at the top of suggestions in teh address bar
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://drtechniko.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/how-to-train-your-robot/
[16:15] <popey> awww
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: Looks like a very cool way to teach "programmatic thinking"
[16:17] <popey> yeah
[16:25] <gord> hrm, third revo to upgrade from $random-animal release to current, first one to have problems :( can't get any display out of it
[16:25] <gord> x just gives up
[16:43] <popey> gord: i had that on my nvidia desktop
[16:43] <popey> i can manually start lightdm and it works
[16:44] <popey> but on boot it doesn't
[16:44] <bigcalm> My Revo has been powered down for the last 48 hours. This is the longest rest its had since I bought it
[16:44] <bigcalm> Will wait until 12.04 is 'ready' before putting it on there for my parents
[16:44] <popey> pffft
[16:44] <popey> wuss
[16:45] <bigcalm> :P
[16:45] <bigcalm> Well, considering that it'll have server rather than gui on it, doesn't really matter
[16:45] <bigcalm> Or shall I put X on it? Och, I dunno now
[16:45] <SuperEngineer> o/
[16:45] <SuperEngineer> this morning's darn 12.04 update completely broke cairo dock
[16:46] <bigcalm> It'll only be in their dumping spare room, without a monitor
[16:46] <bigcalm> 12.04 is not to be trusted!
[16:49]  * SuperEngineer kisses 10.04 partition... [&no double entendre meant!]
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: suuure
[16:49] <gord> popey, seems to be what i'm having, but it was trying to boot into gdm so maybe it was just that
[16:51] <gord> can't get audio out of it now, not through its audio jacks, hdmi or through my little usb -> 3.5mm jack device
[17:41] <bigcalm> I should move the server over to the UPS power block. Grumble sticks
[17:50] <Daviey> bigcalm: hey, wassup?
[17:51] <bigcalm> Daviey: tab failure, but it's good to see you're still alive :)
[17:55]  * AlanBell wonders if Daviey is going to UDS
[18:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Adopt An ISO - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/17/adopt-an-iso/
[18:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Severed Fifth Show The Weekend Before UDS - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/17/severed-fifth-show-the-weekend-before-uds/
[18:05] <Myrtti> I have no words ;___; been fighting with CMSMS for a day now and thought that there was something wrong with my skills or something, and it turns out that it just didn't like the loooooooonnnngggg CSS' files of Bootstrap and just cut them off.
[18:06] <bigcalm> Myrtti: that's a shame :( I've spent a lot of time with CMSMS, but not recently. Hope the project is going well
[18:22] <Daviey> AlanBell: I am going to UDS.
[18:22] <Daviey> AlanBell: Probably leaving on Thurs tho.
[18:22]  * Daviey is currently in SF.
[18:25]  * czajkowski hugs AlanBell 
[18:26] <czajkowski> Daviey: nice weather?
[18:27] <bigcalm> Daviey: and will you be coming to oggcamp?
[18:28] <Daviey> czajkowski: not bad
[18:28] <Daviey> bigcalm: maybe.
[18:29] <bigcalm> \o/
[19:40] <SuperEngineer> hmmm 12.04 is worth using again... Cairo dock now fixed :)
[19:46] <bigcalm> I wonder if jockey is fixed yet
[20:09] <bigcalm> There was an update
[20:09] <bigcalm> It didn't work
[20:09] <bigcalm> Poop
[20:12] <popey> pip pip
[20:12] <popey> choo choo also
[20:12] <bigcalm> That's a long day to be just going home
[20:12] <popey> indeed
[20:12]  * bigcalm heads off to Tesco - best time of day to do shopping
[20:12] <popey> also.. beer \o/
[20:13] <bigcalm> mmmm beer
[20:13] <StevenR> oo. beer. hmmm.
[20:13] <jussi> bigcalm: no way, 2am is the best time
[20:15] <SuperEngineer> ah! now there's a goo idea... beer [& whoopee - one bottle left]
[20:19] <bigcalm> jussi: not so much, I'm asleep at 2am
[20:19] <SuperEngineer> cheers folks
[20:46] <SuperEngineer> Just realised: 12.04 doesn't appear to offer me a hibernate option anywhere
[20:57] <AlanBell> no Kubuntu CDs this time :(
[20:57] <AlanBell> not sure what the chickens are going to do
[21:01] <czajkowski> server :)
[21:01] <AlanBell> yeah, I think it will have to be, but they will miss the GUI
[21:01] <Myrtti> SuperEngineer: I thought I read from somewhere that they've taken it off
[21:03] <SuperEngineer> Myrtti, that would account for that ne then!  thanks
[21:04] <Myrtti> AIUI, I can't even hibernate as I've got random key encrypted swap
[21:13] <mgdm> anyone got a handy guide to updating a debian package to a newer release of the upstream code?
[21:13] <popey> pip pip
[21:13] <mgdm> (also, 'ello :)
[21:17] <ali1234> i wish i could post reaction faces on g+
[21:17] <ali1234> i think this would significantly improve the experience
[21:17] <popey> reaction to ?
[21:17] <ali1234> reaction to op of course
[21:18] <ali1234> you can't post links or images in replies
[21:18] <popey> oh i see
[21:28] <mgdm> OK, so that builds
[21:28]  * mgdm considers uploading it somewhere
[21:46]  * bigcalm pokes mc.net
[21:54] <popey> Azelphur: do you run garrysmod on linux?
[21:55] <Azelphur> popey: I've done it before but don't do it regularly
[21:55] <popey> how well does it run - e.g. on a Linux VPS?
[21:56] <Azelphur> are you talking about the server or the client?
[21:56] <popey> server
[21:57] <Azelphur> afaik garry is really bad at maintaining the Linux server
[21:57] <Azelphur> I remember having to run it under wine
[21:57] <popey> so i hear
[21:57] <popey> right, thats what i thought
[22:00] <Azelphur> popey: It did run ok under wine from what I could see though, I only used it when debugging a issue in SourceIRC that was specific to gmod
[22:22] <bigcalm> Night peeps :)