[00:39] <jcastro> rick_h: your tank looks awesome
[00:39] <jcastro> 2 coreys?
[00:39] <rick_h> jcastro: 6
[00:39] <jcastro> rick_h: ooooh nice! (wrt. the shave)
[00:39] <rick_h> 6 cories, 6 rainbows, down to 8 harlequin and 8 cardinal tetras
[00:39] <rick_h> one rubber nose pleco, 3 chinese algae eaters
[00:39] <rick_h> one of the harelquins committed suicide jumping out the tank :/
[00:41] <jcastro> Jill is traumatized by our last die off
[00:41] <rick_h> yea, my wife wasn't happy
[00:41] <jcastro> though I personally want to just double down
[00:41] <rick_h> she told me "I don't want to know about these things..."
[00:41] <rick_h> yea, I mean fish are fragile and you lose some.
[00:41] <rick_h> the two main ones you could tell were sick/not schooling with the others
[00:42] <rick_h> I told the wife "oooh, that's a bad sign..."
[00:42] <rick_h> and got yelled at for saying that
[00:42] <rick_h> two days later....poor fishies
[00:42] <jcastro> heh
[00:42] <rick_h> but 3 out of the what...over 30 I conider a good run
[00:42] <jcastro> I was doing awesome
[00:42] <jcastro> it's the one getting stuck in the filter
[00:42] <rick_h> and the guys in tehre are starting to really get some good color going, feeding real stuff vs flake ftw!
[00:42] <rick_h> heh
[00:43] <jcastro> and turning it into a filter of ammonia death for like a week before I found it
[00:43] <rick_h> ouch, yea I try to do a quick count each morning
[00:43] <rick_h> so I've caught most of them next day
[00:45] <jcastro> heh
[00:45] <jcastro> My tank was humming just fine until then
[00:45] <jcastro> everything was awesome
[00:45] <rick_h> shave was good, learned a lot, next one will be better
[00:45] <jcastro> it was like a perfect SimCity
[00:45] <rick_h> the brush is crazy
[00:45] <jcastro> yeah
[00:45] <rick_h> heh, aw3esome
[00:45] <jcastro> it's all about the prep
[00:45] <rick_h> the blades tripped me up, didn't realize they'd be that small/bendy
[00:46] <rick_h> almost feel like plastic they're so thin
[00:46] <jcastro> yeah I always flip out when changing them
[00:46] <jcastro> remembering the long sides are sharp
[00:46] <jcastro> but the other ones, not so much
[00:46] <rick_h> I was thinking like the razor blades you'd get at the hardware store
[00:46] <rick_h> pretty stiff
[00:46] <jcastro> ah, right
[00:46] <jcastro> what blades?
[00:47] <jcastro> I am trying the gillette 7 oclocks next
[00:47] <rick_h> just the defeault merkur one that came with the razor
[00:47] <rick_h> it came with some other ones, box of 10
[00:48] <jcastro> ah
[00:48] <rick_h> so I've got 11 blades to work with for now
[00:48] <rick_h> I'm sure I'll try something out and find some stuff
[00:49] <jcastro> 11 weeks worth!
[00:49] <jcastro> I like the merkur ones, they're my favorite so far
[00:49] <jcastro> the only ones I suck with are the Lord ones ...
[00:49] <rick_h> good to know
[00:50] <jcastro> I think depends on the face and the person
[00:50] <jcastro> From what I can gather it's easy to fall into monster-cable-type idiocy with this stuff
[00:50] <rick_h> yea, seems to be the idea, interchange more parts to find what works for you
[00:50] <rick_h> yea, I don't think I shave enough to get that into it
[00:50] <jcastro> heh yeah
[00:51] <rick_h> I'm a twice a week shaver, would love a little more, but don't think I'll be doing it twice a day nuts or anything
[00:51] <jcastro> I have this waking nightmare of craig watching the scrollback and being like "what happened to you guys."
[00:54] <rick_h> heh, I think I've already left him like that.
[00:55] <jjesse> yeah i tuned this whole channel out lately
[00:55] <jjesse> sounds like some extreme makeover?
[00:55] <jcastro> hah
[00:55] <jcastro> well, what do we normally talk about at 9pm on a monday?
[00:56] <rick_h> beer!
[00:56] <jjesse> well you were talking about it at 9am this morning as well
[00:56] <rick_h> oh crap, not allowed to do that lately
[00:56] <jjesse> i learned that jcastro shaved 4 times in the army
[00:56] <jjesse> or something silly
[00:56] <jcastro> 3!
[01:22] <snap-l> jcastro: Too late
[01:22] <snap-l> Figure you gents are busily manscaping and such
[01:22] <jcastro> hah
[01:22] <jcastro> we're brogramming
[01:23]  * rick_h does a twitch...damn word
[01:25] <snap-l> Hah, latest Prog magazine has a newspaper in the style of "Thick as a brick"
[01:29] <jrwren> it reminds me of queer eye for the straight guy.
[01:29] <jrwren> 'cept even teh queer didn't teach proper shaving.
[01:30] <jrwren> the show instead got sponsors liek gillette and the hawked the latest 3, 4,5,6,7 blade razors that dont' work nearly as well as a proper shave.
[01:30] <jrwren> how about: straight eye for the straight guy. real shaving, none of that sissy shit.
[01:30] <snap-l> jrwren: You expected something else?
[01:30] <snap-l> tsk tsk, it's all about the marketing
[01:30] <jrwren> snap-l: expected: no.  wanted: of course.
[01:34] <rick_h> bah, couldn't get all the way to pep8 in one shot
[01:34] <rick_h> going to take some effort... https://github.com/buriy/python-readability/pull/15/files
[02:14] <rick_h> that time when you submit a pull request and wait for someone on the other side of the world to get around to peeking at it...
[02:30] <Shakes808> Hello all,
[02:31] <rick_h> howdy
[02:31] <Shakes808> I have a question if you could be so kind :D
[02:32] <rick_h> depends on the question, but shoot
[02:32] <Shakes808> I am new to Linux and am installing and configuring GIT
[02:32] <Shakes808> I am going through the progit.org tut
[02:33] <Shakes808> What should I use for a diff tool?
[02:33] <rick_h> I just use git diff
[02:33] <rick_h> if you want you can use an external program. I think meld is pretty good with a gui, or gdfiff if you're a good vim users
[02:34] <rick_h> but I'd suggest getting comfy with the normal git diff output
[02:34] <Shakes808> I am going to try using VIM
[02:34] <Shakes808> I have Eclipse downloaded as well
[02:34] <Shakes808> So GIT comes with a Diff tool?
[02:34] <Shakes808> Do I need to install it or does it come with the package?
[02:34] <rick_h> http://luhman.org/blog/2009/08/25/git-difftool-and-vimdiff
[02:34] <rick_h> git diff is just a git command that will output a diff for you
[02:35] <Shakes808> alright, looks like i have it already :D
[02:37] <Shakes808> Thank you
[02:37] <rick_h> np, have fun
[02:42] <Shakes808> :)
[02:49] <Shakes808> So question about that
[02:50] <Shakes808> I put in what they suggested for the colors and all that jazz, but when I go to open vim I get"
[02:51] <Shakes808> "Error detected while processing /home/aaron/.vimrc:
[02:51] <Shakes808> line   3:
[02:51] <Shakes808> E185: Cannot find color scheme green
[02:52] <Shakes808> Press ENTER or type command to continue
[02:52] <Shakes808> It goes into vim but doesn't hold the configurations that I put in per the site
[03:16] <Shakes808> User Error! I miss spelled greens
[10:58] <rick_h> morning
[11:32] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:32] <snap-l> Latest OMC is up
[11:34] <rick_h> party on!
[11:35] <snap-l> And, just because I can't seem to win when it comes to smart phones: I asked Ting if it would be possible to upgrade to the Motorola Photon to get a phone to me sooner
[11:35] <rick_h> http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/pocket-references.do?imm_mid=083695&cmp=em-code-books-videos-pocket-reference-direct
[11:36] <snap-l> checked the device list: Photon is nw shipping in 2-3 weeks
[11:36] <rick_h> oh hmmm, :/
[11:36] <rick_h> ok yea not sure on the photon as an ok phone
[11:36] <snap-l> but my inner child wants new toys.
[11:36] <snap-l> WAH!!!
[11:37] <snap-l> rick_h: I have some of those pocket references. I don't find I use them nearly as often as I think I would
[11:37] <rick_h> I do like the regex one
[11:38] <rick_h> I don't use the python one much admittingly
[11:38] <rick_h> I think the key is they have to be kept right in front of you
[11:38] <snap-l> Yep
[11:39] <rick_h> then there's that brousch guy
[11:40] <snap-l> ALthough I don't have the ebook version of the regex book.
[11:40] <rick_h> well not a fan of htem as ebooks
[11:40] <snap-l> but that's $4.99 as an upgrade, so no hurry
[11:40] <rick_h> just not good for that
[11:40] <snap-l> Yeah
[11:41]  * snap-l decides to take the pocket reference books to work
[11:42] <snap-l> God, the Python "Pocket Reference" is 210 pages.
[11:42] <rick_h> well it's for a whole lang
[11:42] <rick_h> I got that one in ebook and never ever use
[11:43] <brousch> eh, what aboot me?
[11:43] <snap-l> I want to know what it is about Mr. Lutz that makes his books so damn huge.
[11:44] <brousch> good grpug last night. 2 new guys, 2 old guys came back, 3 python jobs mentioned
[11:45] <rick_h> nice!
[11:46] <rick_h> got my branch merged into the readability library, think I'm going to try to take ownership of it
[11:47] <brousch> of the project?
[11:47] <rick_h> yea, she says she's in maint mode, but already have 6 todo items to fix up on it
[11:47] <rick_h> and there's a fork that's done a ton of good work on it I want to cherry pick 20 commits or so
[11:48] <rick_h> but it's go no tests, no build, poor setup.py setup, no pep8...it needs a lot of <3
[11:48] <brousch> carpe forkum
[11:50] <rick_h> yea, but I want my changes on pypi
[11:50] <rick_h> so unless I fork/rename/etc but why if I can get commit rights or even maintainership?
[11:52] <brousch> yeah
[12:01] <rick_h> speaking of modern-package-template from yesterday http://kennethreitz.com/repository-structure-and-python.html
[12:01] <rick_h> though note he doesn't advocate the src directory which a lot of commenters do
[12:01] <brousch> i'm not sureabout src
[12:02] <brousch> seems unnecessary
[12:02] <rick_h> well it won't work on heroku :/
[12:02] <rick_h> but I like it
[12:02] <brousch> pydev tries to do it by default
[12:02] <rick_h> it splits up the clear package bits from virtualenv and other things
[12:02] <brousch> so you and pydev agree on something
[12:03] <rick_h> doh!
[12:03] <rick_h> no I mean... that... crap
[12:03] <brousch> muahahahah
[12:07] <brousch> rick_h: o'reilly is looking for reviewers for "Fitness for Geeks" http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920015475.do?imm_mid=083cf6&cmp=em-code-ug-ug-nl-apr12
[12:11] <rick_h> good stress uh oh
[12:14] <brousch> good stress?
[12:15] <rick_h> from the book description
[12:15] <brousch> ah, at the end
[12:32] <brousch> i had to install the ginormous XCode and the XCode Command Line Utilities (an additional giant download) just to get virtualenvs working on OSX
[12:32] <rick_h> heh, I don't get devs on osx sometimes but oh well
[12:33] <brousch> and then i needed an additional apt-like program called homebrew to install the poppler library
[12:33] <brousch> i cannot live like this
[12:58] <jrwren> brousch: why not? brew is really nice.
[12:58] <jrwren> brousch: and IIRC there is some way you can install xcode command line utils without full xcode.
[12:59] <brousch> maybe, but the instructions i found had you go through XCode->Prefs->downloads and download it from inside of xcode
[13:01] <rick_h> yea, I think armin setup the command line tools only package or something
[13:02] <jrwren> brousch: me too. i've no idea how to get them wihtout full xcode.
[13:02] <jrwren> but i use full xcode occasionally, so I'm find with snagging it
[13:03] <rick_h> http://librelist.com/browser//homebrew/2012/2/16/command-line-tools-for-xcode/
[13:03] <rick_h> sorry, kenneth did it I guess then
[13:03] <rick_h> see if it shows up in homebrew for you
[13:05] <jrwren> https://github.com/downloads/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer/GCC-10.7-v2.pkg  looks like that it one option
[13:05] <rick_h> or that I guess
[13:05] <rick_h> :)
[13:06] <brousch> bah, well it's done now. my gigabytes are occupied
[13:06] <rick_h> well for future reference
[13:06] <jrwren> you might not be able to brew install it becuase it installs to system paths and brew does not install things to system paths.
[13:06] <rick_h> gotcha
[13:06] <rick_h> yea, just going off the email there
[14:26] <jrwren> from __future__ import print_function #pros?cons?
[14:27] <brousch> i think it just works in 2.7
[14:27] <rick_h> yea
[14:27] <brousch> is that for 2.6?
[14:27] <rick_h> maybe 26?
[14:28] <jrwren> oh?
[14:28] <rick_h> make sure to test it first
[14:28] <jrwren> ty.
[14:28] <rick_h> pro if you can use it
[14:28] <jrwren> i'm not sure how to tell the difference.
[14:29] <jrwren> print("hi"); works no matter what.
[14:29] <rick_h> looks like it works in python 2.6
[14:29] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, but doens't print without () error if that's imported?
[14:29] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, so testing it on my 2.6 ec2 box
[14:30] <rick_h> if you import print_function it makes `print 'test'` a syntax error
[14:30] <rick_h> and that imports in 2.6
[14:30] <jrwren> but the function syntax works either way.
[14:30] <jrwren> ah, so it just makes the old syntax error.
[14:30] <jrwren> ok, I get it.
[14:32] <jrwren> anyone used proxmox ? looks like pretty sweet virtualization
[14:33] <rick_h> nope
[14:33] <jjesse> anyone watching tDiscovery land at Dulles Airport?
[14:34] <jjesse> looks like its finally coming in after a flyby of DC
[14:40] <snap-l> How poetic. ;)
[14:41] <snap-l> "Hey DC, get a glimpse of how great America was"
[14:41] <jjesse> basically
[14:41] <jjesse> maybe they should've done this more often so we would still have a shuttle program
[14:42] <snap-l> Nah, because then they'd bitch for the added air travel.
[14:43] <jjesse> well people are now interested in the shuttle
[14:43] <jjesse> should've done that earlier
[14:43] <snap-l> Maybe they'll get interested in the XPrize contenders
[14:44] <snap-l> Maybe NASA can compete then. ;)
[14:44] <rick_h> bwuhahah, upload stupid @#$#@ to pypi, I just point requirements.txt at my git repo!
[14:45] <snap-l> rick_h: Context, or we'll label you raving mad
[14:45] <rick_h> the readable maintainer merged my branch in, but uploaded an .egg to pypi
[14:45] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[14:45] <rick_h> .egg == no pip install == no heroku since it uses pip requirements.txt
[14:46] <rick_h> so I ping'd a heroku guy, found outit supports git installs
[14:46] <brousch> heh
[14:46] <rick_h> and thus bypass stupid paackage mantainer and just use my fork for heroku so it works
[14:47] <brousch> carpe forkum!
[14:48] <rick_h> yep, though I now have commit bits
[14:48] <rick_h> so I can commit to her git repo, but still need to get her to upload proper source dists
[14:48] <rick_h> so merged in a makefile with a make upload command that forces sdist :)
[14:48] <rick_h> bwuahhahaha, I'll makify the world!
[14:48] <rick_h> and `make heroku` is complete and my app is updated
[14:49] <rick_h> <3
[14:49] <rick_h> sometimes I just love software, work around all the problems and just make it go
[14:54] <brousch> does make work on windows?
[14:54] <rick_h> no idea, who cares :P
[14:54] <rick_h> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/make.htm
[14:55] <brousch> well, you're assuming the maintainer can run make
[14:55] <rick_h> true
[15:58] <snap-l> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ou16t/
[15:58] <snap-l> rick_h: ^^
[15:59] <JonEdney> Good morning folks.
[15:59] <rick_h> snap-l: yay
[15:59] <rick_h> howdy JonEdney
[17:08] <snap-l> http://gizmodo.com/5902609/the-only-us-blackberry-store-might-be-the-saddest-place-on-earth
[17:08] <snap-l> Apparently it's in Farmington Hills
[17:08] <snap-l> And no, it's not tjagoda's house.
[17:10] <greg-g> but he goes there daily
[17:11] <greg-g> to apparently listen to jazz and get photo ops with mascots
[17:11] <snap-l> Actually, it was Wireless Giant
[17:16] <jrwren> TIL: if you don't have /etc/resolv.conf but do have dns in nss hosts, glibc will automatically try localhost, and if you have dns on localhost, it will work.
[17:16] <rick_h> ummm, nice?
[17:16] <jrwren> IMO its weird.
[17:38] <rick_h> <3 this little powergen battery thing. Forgot to charge the mifi...no problem.
[19:06] <snap-l> Man, I need to get a new music drive
[19:06] <snap-l> 99% with 8GB left
[19:06] <snap-l> of a 640 GB drive
[19:07] <JonEdney> Thats a lof of music..
[19:07] <greg-g> geebus, mirroring jamendo, bandcamp, .. what else?
[19:16] <snap-l> CD rips
[19:16] <snap-l> all FLAC
[19:19] <greg-g> you know, if I had a workable CD drive in my possesion, I might do that
[19:19] <greg-g> as it is, the closest I have is my shelf stereo but even the cd player on that makes noises of impending death
[19:19] <greg-g> x-series all the way, baby
[19:21] <brousch1> i have an external usb cd/dvd burner
[19:21] <brousch1> has lasted for many years
[19:27] <greg-g> yeah, might need to do that at some point when I have a bit more time on my hands to backup all my CDs before they bit rot
[19:28] <brousch1> you can just buy them again
[19:29] <snap-l> I haven't seen much bit rot on my discs
[19:29] <snap-l> and I have discs dating back to high school
[19:29] <greg-g> I'd rather not contribute to the creation of more plastic-based music discs
[19:29] <greg-g> snap-l: unpossible
[19:30]  * snap-l treats his discs like a librarian
[19:30]  * greg-g prevents self from making an old joke
[19:30] <greg-g> I sure didn't, my are in a 200-disc case that has been in the sun way too many times
[19:30] <snap-l> greg-g: I probably have discs that are older than you are.
[19:31] <snap-l> 1988 is when I started getting CDs.
[19:31] <greg-g> I"M NOT THAT YOUNG!
[19:31] <greg-g> :)
[19:31]  * greg-g was born in '82
[19:32] <snap-l> I think the only thing that might be older than you is some alvin and the chipmunks records. :)
[19:32] <brousch1> greg-g: i meant buy them again in digital format
[19:32]  * snap-l was a musical square in elementary school.
[19:32] <brousch1> snap-l: did you get those from the battle creek cereal festival?
[19:33] <greg-g> brousch1: :(
[19:33] <snap-l> brousch1: eh?
[19:33] <brousch1> guess not
[19:37] <snap-l> I have no idea what you're talking about. :)
[19:37] <snap-l> Do you mean some flexidiscs?
[19:38] <brousch1> no, as a kid i got free cheesy records like alvin and the chipmunks from the battle creek longest breakfast table thing
[19:39] <snap-l> brousch1: Huh, never heard of it
[19:40] <snap-l> God, I <3 archive.org
[19:40] <snap-l> I currently see 32 items created by that account. Please contact us again when you have created 50 items
[19:40] <snap-l> (asked about creating a collection)
[19:40] <jrwren> 1988! that is when cd players cost $1000
[19:41] <snap-l> I had a portable CD player
[19:41] <snap-l> it cost $250 or something like that.
[19:41] <jrwren> i didn't know what a cd was until 91ish
[19:41] <jrwren> no, that can't be eright.
[19:41] <snap-l> Folks were starting to get them when I was in high school
[19:42] <snap-l> I saved up an entire summer of caddying to get a CD player
[19:42] <brousch1> i got one from aol in the mail around 1993 before i had a computer. i hung it up because it was so pretty
[19:42] <jrwren> oh yeah, I had a portable in 91 too.
[19:42] <jrwren> maybe as early as 89.
[19:42] <snap-l> That was sophmore year into junior year
[19:42] <jrwren> i forgot entirely.
[19:42] <snap-l> I remember the first three albums I bought
[19:42] <jrwren> snap-l: you are my age, old man?
[19:42] <snap-l> graduated in 1989
[19:43] <snap-l> so a little older.
[19:43] <jrwren> ah, no my youngest cousins age.
[19:43] <jrwren> at SRT i worked with 4 or 5 people that were class of '89
[19:43] <jrwren> which is a high mode given a 20 person company
[20:12] <greg-g> whoa, segphault mentioned my literally 4 minute blog post on twitter
[20:12] <greg-g> I was wondering why my views were going crazy but my short link (goo.gl) wasn't showing anything :)
[20:26] <rick_h> p
[21:01] <snap-l> Hey, there's AaronThul
[22:19] <jcastro> and there he goes
[22:19] <jcastro> rick_h: please charm bookie so we can serve it over spdy, because why not: http://www.jorgecastro.org/2012/04/17/want-to-mess-with-spdy-easily-come-experiment-with-it-via-juju/
[22:50] <greg-g> when did github's 404 page image move on mouse over?
[22:50] <greg-g> https://github.com/blahdeblah
[23:01] <Blazeix> since forever, i think
[23:01] <Blazeix> at least a long time
[23:03] <greg-g> oh, well then, apparently I'm not a big mouse user
[23:27] <greg-g> I can't make sense of this table: http://sopatrack.com/bills.html
[23:28] <greg-g> specifically HR 1 and HR 2354
[23:28] <greg-g> (how they label the vote going)
[23:52] <rick_h> jcastro: lol
[23:59] <rick_h> jcastro: I did give it a go of juju'ing it