[08:50] <ochosi> morning everyone
[08:56] <knome> hello here too :P
[08:57] <ochosi> :)
[08:57] <ochosi> trying to get unity-support finalized for greybird
[08:57] <ochosi> the theming-side of it is fine
[08:57] <knome> uhoh
[08:57] <ochosi> i just need to get it to show up in the theme-selector
[08:57] <knome> trying to get it in precise now, or in -proposed ?
[08:57] <knome> ah, so it's that close to finished :P
[08:58] <ochosi> mr_pouit said he wants it in -proposed
[08:58] <ochosi> so that's why i'm not hurrying too much
[08:59] <knome> ok, sounds good
[08:59] <ochosi> but i got the basics tested by carnau 
[08:59] <ochosi> (should probably try to find at least a second person to look at it)
[09:00] <knome> or more, i can tweet if you have simple instructions to save to wiki or website or so
[09:01] <ochosi> oh, that sounds like a good idea
[09:01] <carnau> ochosi, ¿Why u don't use virtualbox?
[09:01] <ochosi> well atm the theme doesn't show in the theme-selector, so the instructions aren't that simple yet
[09:01] <knome> does anybody know if the other admin of the G+ group is ever on irc?
[09:01] <knome> that would be useful
[09:01] <ochosi> carnau: for one, it's a bit different than a real install
[09:01] <knome> carnau, more eyes = better testing
[09:02] <ochosi> carnau: the other thing is that i did test greybird in a vbox at first and ~beta1 i switched to a real install
[09:02] <knome> i can test a thing 20 times and ignore a glitch, then ochosi looks at it once and he goes "OMG!"
[09:02] <ochosi> carnau: just haven't installed unity yet because i didn't want to compromise the xubuntu testing environment
[09:02] <carnau> knome, sure, don't tell me. I'm a web developer :)
[09:02]  * ochosi doesn't like glitches
[09:02] <knome> carnau, me too ;)
[09:02] <knome> ...among other things
[09:04] <carnau> ochosi, ok, I'll try to ask in #Ubuntu-es
[09:04] <ochosi> carnau: thanks!
[09:12] <carnau> ochosi, well if someone contacts me, I'll ping you.
[09:16] <ochosi> carnau: ok, ty
[11:26] <ochosi> carnau, knome: the list of themes in unity is hardcoded :} you _have_ to use ubuntu-tweak (or whatever it's called) to change your theme to anything not hardcoded into unity
[11:29] <ochosi> mr_pouit: so much for unity-support ^ :}
[11:40] <ochosi> pleia2: ping
[12:07] <mr_pouit> ochosi: awesome
[12:09] <ochosi> the reason they gave me was that gnome doesn't support switching themes yet so it wasn't a priority for them to do that this release
[12:10] <ochosi> unity will feel pre-windowsxp
[12:10] <ochosi> (at least in this respect)
[12:10] <mr_pouit> ochosi: what I was told was "harcoded list -> design decision"
[12:11] <mr_pouit> (and indeed, a comparison with gnome3 that doesn't allow theme switching)
[12:11] <ochosi> yes, well they seemed open to changing that for Q
[12:16] <mr_pouit> who cares ;>
[12:17] <ochosi> yeah, i don't really
[12:17] <ochosi> but i'll still probably publish a blog-post about it
[12:17] <ochosi> it's nice to emphasize how great unity is in this respect
[12:18] <mr_pouit> s/unity/so-called design decision/
[12:19] <ochosi> yeah
[12:19] <mr_pouit> (sometimes I feel it's just a good excuse to impose randomly some arbitrary things)
[12:20] <mr_pouit> maybe I should start an experimental ppa for 4.10 on precise
[12:21] <ochosi> yes! yes!
[12:21] <ochosi> :)
[12:21] <mr_pouit> with a big, fat disclaimer "if you install that and then complain, you cat will go on a rampage, format your drive and install openbsd"
[12:21] <mr_pouit> *your
[12:21] <ochosi> hehe
[12:23] <mr_pouit> I'll upload that tonight (xfce 4.10pre2 core, so all panel plugins will break)
[12:23] <ochosi> hihi
[12:23] <ochosi> but i think -final is supposed to be released in a week or so, no?
[12:24] <mr_pouit> 28/04 I think
[12:24] <ochosi> pretty much same day as the xubuntu release then
[12:34] <carnau> ochosi, augh, sounds bad
[12:37] <ochosi> carnau: welcome to unity
[12:39] <carnau> it's like apple, 30 devices, 1 GUI.
[12:41] <carnau> if you want to customize it, f**** you, you only will  have what Steve Jobs designed. Like a dictatorship.
[12:52] <knome> carnau, watch your language, even obfuscated
[12:53] <carnau> knome, sorry, it burns my veins :_( nvm
[13:25] <ochosi> knome: i thought i could blog about unity's definciency in terms of setting themes and explain how you can use greybird in unity on xubuntu.org > planet.ubuntu
[13:26] <ochosi> knome: or would you rather see that on g+ ?
[13:26] <ochosi> pleia2: ^
[13:28] <knome> ochosi, website is fine, we can repost in twitter and g+
[13:28] <ochosi> ok
[13:29] <ochosi> was mainly wondering whether you consider it too far offtopic
[13:29] <ochosi> mr_pouit: if you don't mind i'll merge the unity branch back to gtk3.3 and you can upload that anytime then
[13:29] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i'll even give you a new tag ;)
[13:29] <knome> well, add some stuff generally about greybird too, and it's fine
[13:29] <mr_pouit> yay
[13:30] <ochosi> but you want this for -proposed, right?
[13:31] <mr_pouit> yep, so no hurry
[13:33] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ok, done :)
[13:33] <ochosi> say hello to greybird 0.8
[13:33] <ochosi> we even support gnome metathemes now
[13:34] <ochosi> (i.e. setting gtk-theme, icon-theme, cursor-theme and metacity at once)
[13:35] <ochosi> mr_pouit: wasn't hurrying anyway, the only blocker was the fact that the theme didnt show in unity's theme selector, but now that that's clear...
[15:39] <carnau> ochosi, instead gnome-tweak-tool, you can use MyUnity app.
[16:27] <pleia2> knome: I'll play you during the derivatives plenary
[16:31] <knome> pleia2, ok;)
[16:35] <pleia2> ochosi: it feels a bit off-topic to me, but if you promise not to use the phrase "unity's definciency" I think it's ok ;)
[16:36] <pleia2> (we don't want to come off as combative, we're all friends in this *buntu world)
[16:36] <pleia2> and unity improves a lot with every release, even if it's still a deficiency now I don't anticipate it will be for long
[18:51] <ochosi> pleia2: no, sure, i don't plan on writing anything flamy. but it's a bit odd to me that such a basic feature is missing and sold as "design decision". but anyway, you'll read it before it's published ;)
[20:41] <knome> pleia2, you there?
[20:44] <pleia2> yeah
[20:48] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_shots/sneakpeek.png
[20:49] <knome> pleia2, ochosi ^
[20:50] <pleia2> ooh, what plugin?
[20:50] <knome> knome's best ever translation plugin
[20:50] <pleia2> :)
[20:50]  * pleia2 forks over the cash
[20:50] <knome> hehe
[20:51] <knome> well, i'm trying to make it really clean
[20:51] <jussi> ooh, can I have that? (assuming wp)
[20:51] <jussi> :D
[20:51] <knome> jussi, it's 1000€ for you
[20:51] <knome> plus vat
[20:51] <jussi> bugger!
[20:51] <knome> ;)
[20:51] <knome> well, let's see when it's ready
[20:52] <knome> right now you can't do anything, but most of the so called "infrastructure" is ready
[21:06] <ochosi> knome: seriously, you wrote a translation/multilang-plugin?
[21:07] <knome> ochosi, i'm on it
[21:07] <knome> it's pretty much coding now though
[21:07] <knome> plus some headache on the rewrites ;)
[21:07] <ochosi> wow
[21:07] <ochosi> i'm amazed
[21:08] <ochosi> that's something you can sell for $$$ if it works well
[21:09] <ochosi> gah, low battery
[21:09] <knome> i know
[21:09] <ochosi> you know that i'm running out of battery?
[21:09] <ochosi> how?
[21:09] <knome> i know i can sell it for $$$ :P
[21:09] <ochosi> ;)
[21:10] <knome> though...
[21:10] <ochosi> k, g2g
[21:10] <knome> well, let's say i've not decided yet what to do with it ;)
[21:10] <ochosi> see ya tomorrow
[21:10] <knome> see you
[21:35] <knome> i'm off too
[21:35] <knome> see you tomorrow
[21:35] <Unit193> Adios.