[00:13] <alteregoa> darmok his arms wide
[00:17] <bastidrazor> i think the star trek references have lost there appeal after a week of it.
[00:31] <micahg> shakaa, when the walls fell
[00:32]  * micahg guesses he shouldn't be encouraging this
[00:44] <bjsnider> darmok is one of the best tng episodes
[01:08] <DrManhattan> WOL isn't working for me in 12.04
[01:08] <DrManhattan> doesn't matter WHAT I do, the thing wont wake up
[01:08] <DrManhattan> I've tried a bunch of solutions
[01:09] <DrManhattan> looking forward to final - I hope that's fixed
[01:15] <skellum> just installed 12.04, wont connect to secure wireless.  pointer?
[01:17] <fishcooker> how to disable ctrl+alt+del
[01:23] <skellum> fishcooker: edit /etc/init/control-alt-delete, comment out the shutdown line
[01:23] <DiabolicalGamer> Hello Everyone
[01:24] <DiabolicalGamer> I'm attempting to setup a MaaS server, but my nodes keep running into "init: cloud-init-nonet main process (256) killed by TERM signal"
[01:25] <DiabolicalGamer> Any help?
[01:27] <fishcooker> thanks for quick response sekllum
[01:28] <fishcooker> btw is it possible to change the combination of buttons?
[01:28] <skellum> np
[01:28] <DiabolicalGamer> I can't even login to my nodes to check the logs. O_o
[01:30] <jbicha> DiabolicalGamer: perhaps ask in #ubuntu-server I'm not sure many server folks hang out here
[01:30] <skellum> fishcooker: i don't personally know of an option in /etc to do that
[01:31] <fishcooker> ok skellum thanks btw
[01:36] <skellum> 12.04, only unsecure wireless selectable.  secure networks are greyed out. any tips?
[01:42] <MountainX> DrManhattan: regarding WOL not working, maybe you need to file a bug report. Otherwise, it might not be fixed in the final. My experience is that many bugs we see at this stage don't get fixed by the release.
[01:44] <skellum> lspci
[01:45] <skellum> eh, wrong window
[01:45] <DrManhattan> Im going to try out 11.10 real fast - I think the reason WOL isnt working is b/c of the driver - which would be a kernel issue
[01:45] <DrManhattan> Im using a realtek8111c onboard NIC and I think I have to use the proprietary driver at the realtek site to enable WOL
[01:46] <DrManhattan> (
[01:46] <DrManhattan> ugh
[01:46] <DrManhattan> http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[01:48] <DrManhattan> the kernel module will real WOL as capable and working, but it doesn't work in linux - it DOES work in windows
[01:48] <Hieberrr> How come I can't re-organize my lenses and snap my windows to the edges on 12.04 (when I could on 11.10)? I also can't install the ATI/AMD drivers through "Additional Drivers"
[01:51] <Hieberrr> Anyone :S ?
[01:53] <fishcooker> skellum i've problem with asus battery... is ther any option to disable overwhelming feature on my nvidia gt520m
[01:53] <fishcooker> asus devoted that windows 7 is the best option for the user
[01:54] <fishcooker> the battery going down quickly
[01:54] <Hieberrr> Nevermind. FIxed. It had to do with my ATI drivers, which I was finally able to install :D
[01:54] <Bluefoxicy> If Unix was designed by Hitler
[01:55] <Bluefoxicy> Exited:  Caught signal (-SIGHEIL)
[01:55] <bazhang> Bluefoxicy, wrong channel
[01:57] <Roasted> hello!
[01:58] <Roasted> anybody using a scanner on 12.04? I have both a lexmark and hp that just say no devices available with both simple scan and xsane.
[02:02] <Fyodorovna> Roasted, I have a generic umax working with simple scan, not sure that really helps though.
[02:03] <fishcooker> is there any process explorer that can kill spesific process via gui
[02:03] <fishcooker> ?
[02:04] <kanliot> just updated precise and now I can't start netbeans
[02:04] <kanliot> any ideas?
[02:04] <kanliot> help
[02:17] <MountainX> kanliot: updated precise from what to what? From 11.10 to beta2 or from earlier beta2 to most recent updates?
[02:18] <kanliot> i've been running "apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade -y"
[02:18] <kanliot> for a long time
[02:18] <Roasted> lost connection. Anybody using a scanner with 12.04?
[02:18] <kanliot> then i used "update manager" to do an update and it ran for an hour
[02:18] <kanliot> anyhow I managed to get netbeans started
[02:19] <kanliot> it might have just been a netbeans bug
[02:19] <kanliot> i just assumed it had something to do with the update
[02:19] <kanliot> :)
[02:19] <kanliot> thx mountainx
[02:19] <MountainX> kanliot: for beta versions, you should update like this: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get --simulate dist-upgrades
[02:19] <MountainX> then run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade if everything is OK
[02:20] <kanliot> ok
[02:20] <kanliot> this is all new
[02:20] <kanliot> i'd ask you to explain
[02:20] <kanliot> but you don't have time
[02:20] <kanliot> is there a wiki page?
[02:20] <MountainX> for beta releases, you may sometimes encounter "partial upgrades" or broken packages.
[02:20] <MountainX> if that happens, don't go forward with the upgrade until the packages are fixed.
[02:21] <MountainX> so simulating the upgrade is an important step.
[02:21] <MountainX> if it is OK, then do the upgrade.
[02:21] <kanliot> whats the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:21] <kanliot> ?
[02:21] <MountainX> This is really only important for alpha and beta releases. After that packages don't break (as a rule)
[02:21] <bazhang> !dist-upgrade | kanliot
[02:22] <kanliot> !upgrade
[02:23] <MountainX> In my experience, you always want to use dist-upgrade when working with a beta. If anyone else knows better, please jump in.
[02:23] <bazhang> !final
[02:23] <Roasted> anybody using a usb scanner on your 12.04 install?
[02:23] <MountainX> Without dist-upgrade you won't always upgrade all packages (as the bot said)
[02:23] <kanliot> that's probably why the update manager did more stuff than the upgrade on the command line
[02:23] <kanliot> thanks
[02:24] <MountainX> welcome
[02:28] <Roasted> k, very confused now.
[02:28] <Roasted> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/simple-scan/+question/134841 suggests the 5400c works in ubuntu
[02:28] <Roasted> why does xsane and simple scan say no device found then?
[02:31] <DrManhattan> WOL for realtek 8111c works with the driver from realtek
[02:33] <kanliot> drm i have one of those i think in my asus m5a97.... it worked in 11.10 but only intermittently
[02:34] <DrManhattan> oh except for WOL it worked just fine
[02:34] <kanliot> 8111e
[02:34] <DrManhattan> im 8111c
[02:34] <kanliot> well it would work on one booting
[02:34] <kanliot> then on a cold boot it wouldn't work
[02:34] <DrManhattan> this is with the factory driver?
[02:34] <kanliot> yeah
[02:34] <DrManhattan> did you have automatic updates on?
[02:35] <kanliot> hmmm
[02:35] <kanliot> not really sure
[02:35] <DrManhattan> did you have to recompile/reinstall the driver to make it work again?
[02:35] <kanliot> nope i had to install precise to make it work
[02:37] <kanliot> and in precise it worked fine with teh default driver (8169)
[02:45] <DrManhattan> Im in precise, there's no WOL on that driver
[02:45] <DrManhattan> but the compiled one is working well so far
[02:48] <kanliot> +    ok
[02:55] <Hieberrr> I installed Gnome, but I want to remove it now (12.04), how do I do it? I already did sudo apt-get autoremove, but it's still there on the login screen...
[02:55] <vishaltelangre>  I'm having problem after distribution upgrade. I've submitted my question, please see it. Solution for resolving it is very much needed. Here is the link to the question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/123008/general-error-mounting-filesystems
[03:01] <kanliot> sounds like grub is hosed
[03:01] <sacarlson> vishaltelangre: ya dependancy problem grub  try another repository?
[03:02] <vishaltelangre> sacarlson: Okay, I know it's still in beta phase. But how do I try your solution?
[03:03] <sacarlson> vishaltelangre: to start to fix you will probly need a 12.04 live cd to work from
[03:03] <Kyle__> I updated to the beta from an 11.10 install, and I got it to work, but dpkg hangs on what I think is the grub setup.
[03:03] <sacarlson> or usb o
[03:04] <vishaltelangre> sacarlson: Okay, I'll be downloading it very soon. What to do after that?
[03:04] <Kyle__> I have to ctrl-c out of some dpkg steps, so I can't apt-get anything now.  Any ideas?
[03:04] <sacarlson> Kyle__: oh your having the same problem as vishaltelangre?
[03:05] <Kyle__> sacarlson: Possilby.....
[03:05] <Kyle__> vishaltelangre: is your system hanging in dpkg's config phase?
[03:05] <sacarlson> vishaltelangre: if there is anything of value on the system I would move it off with the live cd to start
[03:05] <Kyle__> File descriptor 3 (pipe:[84712]) leaked on lvs invocation. Parent PID 31444: /bin/sh
[03:06]  * Kyle__ sighs
[03:06]  * Kyle__ did do a backup to an external drive first, but everything _really_ important was already on ubuntu-one or my basement server.
[03:06] <vishaltelangre> When it downloaded all the upgraded packages (almost 3080), then using dpkg it started installing and setting them... And after few, my computer just stuck down.
[03:07] <vishaltelangre> sacarlson: So I was having no option beside shutting down it as nothing was responding!
[03:08] <sacarlson> Kyle: see vishaltelangre's link to compare  http://askubuntu.com/questions/123008/general-error-mounting-filesystems
[03:09] <Kyle__> Hu.  Nope, not the issue I had.
[03:09] <Kyle__> s/had/have/
[03:10] <vishaltelangre> Kyle__: You mean you were in such situation, huh?
[03:10] <sacarlson> I also think the repositories are syncing or something as I'm having problems with mini.iso it just gets stuck but not sure this relates to vishaltelangre or Kyle__ problem
[03:11] <kanliot> does the mini iso use ubiquity?
[03:12] <sacarlson> vishaltelangre: with the live cd try reinstall grub on your system to see what happens,
[03:13] <sacarlson> kanliot: no it's just text
[03:13] <Kyle__> vishaltelangre: My upgrade wasn't finishing because dpkg kept on hanging durring config.  Ctrl+c enough times, re-run dpkg enough times, and I have a useable system again...but because of the state dpkg left things in I can't install anything/update anything.
[03:13] <sacarlson> kanliot: oh maybe
[03:13] <kanliot> ?
[03:13] <sacarlson> kanliot: I guess ubiquity is a part of the install like script configs
[03:14] <kanliot> that's news to me
[03:14] <kanliot> i thought ubiquity was the python pretty gui
[03:14] <vishaltelangre> I think it may solve the problem if I can get rid of conflict versions of install-info,
[03:14] <vishaltelangre> grub-pc-bin,
[03:14] <vishaltelangre> grub-pc,
[03:14] <vishaltelangre> grub2-common at maintenance shel as I reported in my questionl, isn't that possible?
[03:14] <vishaltelangre> Oh sorry
[03:14] <sacarlson> kanliot: if you mean graphics then it's a text installer much the same as the alternate cd
[03:15] <kanliot> yeah i've had about 6 lockups in ubiquity, but none on the alt installer
[03:16] <vishaltelangre> Kyle__: Hmm, I'm also having problem with dpkg, but we do not have common mutualities in our problems.
[03:17]  * Kyle__ nods
[03:17] <sacarlson> vishaltelangre: it sounds like the repositories aren't synced yet so they have some conflics
[03:18] <sacarlson> vishaltelangre: some repositories will sync before others, wish we knew witch ones
[03:20] <vishaltelangre> sacarlson: Hmm, that is possible. Hope the same issue do not remain in final release. I think I should do a fresh install of 12.04.
[03:21] <sacarlson> vishaltelangre: if you have the live cd I would at least try it on another partition ,  I would have done that before I upgraded
[03:21] <Kyle__> Oooh, netbeans is in the repo again!
[03:22] <sacarlson> vishaltelangre: I keep test partitions open for this kind of stuf  and install with grub menu entries to make it install 10 times faster
[03:22] <vishaltelangre> sacarlson: Yes, surely I do try reinstalling grub2 from it before doing a fresh install.
[03:23] <sacarlson> vishaltelangre: you can run more than one ubuntu in different partitions  multiboot
[03:23] <vishaltelangre> sacarlson: Yep, I did same earlier. Thanks btw.
[04:27] <pepee> is someone having troubles with synaptics touchpads?
[04:38] <roasted> hello!
[05:09] <ejo> Hi!  Having a little trouble with a 12.04 live CD (actually on USB stick), 64 bit version.  I get most of the way through the install pretty quickly, then with only about 2cm to go on the progress bar, with the caption "Installing System"... now no progress is made for over a half hour.  The system is not hung, but no further progress is made.
[05:16] <ejo> The rest of the process went great, downloaded updates and everything, probably only took about 20 minutes with a good connection.  But the installer progress bar has now been around 90% for a long long time.
[05:20] <etp> Is there a reason why ia32-libs-multiarch doesn't depend on libpam0g? Previously libpam-ldap pulled it in but libpam-ldap is now on Suggests
[05:22] <micahg> etp: if there's a use case where it's needed in most scenarios, please file a bug
[05:22] <ejo> Can anyone advise me on my apparently stalled install?  Should I just start over and hope for a different outcome?
[05:24] <ejo> I dropped to a terminal and looked at 'top'...  the main process running is init... with nothing else really using significant resources
[05:39] <pepee> is someone having troubles with synaptics touchpads?
[05:59] <glosoli> pepee: what kind of troubles
[05:59] <glosoli>  ?
[06:00] <pepee> glosoli, random cursor jumps while dragging images or selecting text
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> anyone tested gnome classic?
[06:01] <glosoli> pepee: hmmm not here on Asus N61JA
[06:01] <glosoli> lotuspsychje: I tried a while ago ,what's the real question ?
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> i wanted to know if precise gnome classic working smooth
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> alotta low end computers doesnt like unity 2d
[06:02] <glosoli> last time I checked it is :)
[06:03] <pepee> ahh, thanks anyway, glosoli
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> okay
[06:03] <glosoli> lotuspsychje: meanwhile my computer might be in a category of highs/mids, so you will need to try after Final release to be sure
[06:39] <paulus68> does anyone have a problem with the auto hide function of the launcher ?
[06:40] <paulus68> when I adapt the settings to hide the launcher it will hide but doesn't reappear?
[06:55] <confrey> hi everybody
[06:55] <confrey> may anyone help me? I can't access with a vncviewer to my vncserver, running on ubuntu 12.04
[07:07] <CQ> hi guys, I have this bug on upgrding... is rhythmbox the cause, or am I reading the logfiles wrong? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/981884
[07:09] <CQ> confrey: can you ping the server? can you verify that vncserver is running? on the rightport? ...etc.  ... what have you checked so far?
[07:48] <fishcooker> i wanna install new nvidia driver from binary is it safe ?
[07:49] <fishcooker> i've started from NVIDIA-Linux-x86-295.40.run
[07:49] <confrey> CQ, solved thanks, I was using the wrong port (5900 instead 5901) I was confused about corresponding between port and DISPLAY
[07:54] <fishcooker> ERROR: You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing.  For further details, please see the section INSTALLING THE
[07:54] <fishcooker>          NVIDIA DRIVER in the README available on the Linux driver download page at www.nvidia.com.
[07:57] <mvn071> on beta 12.4 # apt-get install linux-source && apt-get purge linux-source && apt-get install linux-source; shows no tbz in /usr/src ?
[07:59] <MasterOfDisaster> fishcooker: why not apt-get install nvidia-current?
[08:00] <fishcooker> thanks for quick response masterofdisaster
[08:02] <fishcooker> btw what's different between nvidia-current with nvidia-current-dev
[08:02] <fishcooker> ?
[08:04] <MasterOfDisaster> fishcooker: as the -dev suffix suggests, files you need when you want to write software that uses the libraries in question
[08:04] <fishcooker> i've got my battery drop easily
[08:04] <MasterOfDisaster> so on a typical system, *-dev packages should be very rare
[08:05] <fishcooker> i know my asus bundled with win7
[08:05] <fishcooker> masterofdisaster
[08:05] <fishcooker> actually i want to disable the overwhelming feature
[08:05] <fishcooker> because im not in gaming mode in linux
[08:06] <fishcooker> in linux battery sink down quickly
[08:06] <fishcooker> just like as playing game nfs "hot pursuit"/pes 2012on windows
[08:08] <MasterOfDisaster> fishcooker: http://guilleml.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/nvidia-powermizer-on-linux/ - you will need nvidia's driver for this (i.e. package nvidia-current)
[08:11] <steveccc> i am running the system in a virtual machine with hide dock turned on but on moving to the far left of the screen it doesnt appear - is this a bug?
[08:12] <fishcooker> ok let me try first masterofdisaster
[08:37] <paulus68> when I adapt the settings to hide the launcher it will hide but doesn't reappear?
[08:56] <levnikolaevic> hi guys
[08:56] <levnikolaevic> in precise, today, when i launch unity, desktop freeze for a few seconds
[08:57] <levnikolaevic> every time I try to launch an application
[08:57] <levnikolaevic> desktop freeze for a few seconds
[08:57] <fishcooker> levnikaevic
[08:57] <fishcooker> levnikolaevic
[08:58] <fishcooker> there is 'sth
[08:58] <fishcooker> '
[08:58] <fishcooker> with your graphic card maybe
[08:59] <levnikolaevic> but, seems like it's due to an update
[08:59] <levnikolaevic> 'cause till 2 days ago, there's no problem
[08:59] <levnikolaevic> when i move the mouse on the left, to let bar appears, all freeze
[09:32] <fishcooker> how to disable guest session?
[10:18] <Tanvir> Hello I need a bit hardware suggestion here. Do you guys think Ubuntu 12.04 will run perfect with Dell XPS 14Z? Configuration: i5 with 8 GB RAM and 750 HDD and Intel 300 HDMI graphics.
[10:26] <newb2> my ubuntu (precise beta) instalation is running VESA instead nvidia, what is happening. Here is my Xorg.o.log:  http://paste.debian.net/hidden/18c1a503/
[10:30] <newb2> going restart X to another test
[10:34] <newb2> worked! At upgrade from stable version the packate nvidia-current-updates was not instaled, only nvidia-current. Installing it and removing nouveau made work
[10:49] <CQ> hello, after upgrading, sudo always ends with: sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed.  ....any ideas?
[10:50] <CQ> but the sudo command itself works fine
[10:57] <martinphone> are you releasing today a release candidate?
[11:15] <CQ> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule ... doesn't look liek RCs are planned, I'm happily running the beta2.
[11:39] <philinux> martinphone: There is no RC this cycle
[11:51] <philinux> martinphone: Well I spoke to soon.  Athough there isnt an officual RC in the release schedule. http://iloveubuntu.net/ubuntu-1204s-rc-iso-call-testing
[12:09] <astraljava> philinux: Where are you getting that info? There was a mail to ubuntu-release stating the dates clearly: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001083.html
[12:10] <astraljava> ...saying the RC creation is tomorrow.
[12:11] <philinux> astraljava: the link says the 19th http://iloveubuntu.net/ubuntu-1204s-rc-iso-call-testing
[12:11] <astraljava> Yeah, ok so it's the same info then.
[12:11] <philinux> astraljava: Yep justa  heads up for the guy who asked
[12:11] <astraljava> I'd say that's 'official RC in the release schedule' when the release manager says so. :)
[12:12] <philinux> astraljava: I did wonder if there would be one. I'm using 12.04 now on main machine. ;)
[12:13] <snadge> welcome to me 4 months ago
[12:13] <snadge> j/k
[12:13] <astraljava> philinux: It'd have been strange if there weren't, seeing as this one is an LTS release.
[12:13] <snadge> i must admit i gave up on 11.10 pretty early.. because its a dog turd
[12:13] <snadge> and unity in 12.04 is vastly superior :p
[12:14] <astraljava> philinux: For the LTS releases, it's often not so hard to start using it quite early on. I think I started back in January, but then I needed to see the fixes live.
[12:14] <philinux> astraljava: indeed I was surprised by the omission. Final week of bug removal needed. But I'm not seeing anything crash wise at all here
[12:14] <astraljava> Just refrain from having sensitive data _only_ on that machine.
[12:14] <snadge> oh its not that bad.. its not gentoo ;)
[12:15] <snadge> but sure backups are always a good thing to have of stuff that matters
[12:15] <philinux> astraljava: Home on own partitoin
[12:15] <astraljava> philinux: Not enough. And sometimes quite hard to live on, when there are config file version changes etc.
[12:15] <snadge> yeah but a crappy kernel.. or an incorrectly inserted ram dimm on a non ecc system. etc
[12:16] <snadge> ive corrupted filesystems that wern't supposed to corrupt before.. maybe im just getting old
[12:16] <philinux> astraljava: I did a clean install and blew away all the config files except FF and EVO.
[12:16] <astraljava> snadge: Yeah I'm not saying the technology would ruin your data (in most cases). The worst is that you might just re-install in a whim, forgetting to backup. :)
[12:17] <snadge> the truly paranoid will mount filesystems read only on experimental/dev versions :p
[12:18] <philinux> astraljava: I can always chroot in from usb or other HD so no worries
[12:18]  * gnomefreak wishes he didnt have so much music
[12:18] <astraljava> snadge: But then how do you test your fixes? :)
[12:19] <astraljava> gnomefreak: I hear ya. It's a pain waiting for them to sync to another machine.
[12:20] <gnomefreak> yep it is but ill be ripping them for weeks, i'm already on day 4
[12:23] <gnomefreak> there libnux is fixed
[12:29] <astraljava> \o/
[13:47] <metalfan_> hi
[13:48] <metalfan_> how do you run gparted from the precise installer?
[13:48] <metalfan_> its installed, running gparted on the console shows that it would like to start but cant connect to xorg
[13:49] <ironhalik> hmm, it worked during installation
[13:49] <ironhalik> you probably should file a bug
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> well metalfan_
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> you should export display
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> when running graphical applications from console
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> export display=:0.0 probably
[13:50] <metalfan_> no way to get a "run" dialog from the installer directly?
[13:53] <metalfan_> very nice that worked
[13:53] <Ian_Corne> alt+f2 ?
[13:53] <Alan> I apologise if this is a flamebaity question, but... what is this obsession with removing every single aspect of configuration?
[13:53] <metalfan_> just started the process, will test that after
[13:54] <metalfan_> what was the common size grub needs at the start of the drive to work 2mb?
[13:54] <Alan> so i'm trying out the 12.04 beta, only to discover there is no longer a font preferences thing anywhere?
[13:55] <metalfan_> fonts on your desktop`?
[13:55] <Alan> i mean the fonts configuration stuff that used to be in the Appearance settings dialog
[13:56] <metalfan_> ok, just to be sure were talking about the same thing
[13:56] <metalfan_> maybe they moved it?  cant check at the  moment, im just installing sry
[13:57] <Alan> I somehow find it really hard to believe that Ubuntu devs can look at the default look and feel of Ubuntu day in, day out and not just vomit at the font rendering
[13:57] <Alan> the default "slight" hinting looks horrible on LCD displays with a PPI below 130
[14:00] <Alan> huh, looks like the unity HUD preview PPA has been nuked too
[14:03] <Griwes> hello, I'm trying to upgrade to 12.04, but in apt.log I found something interesting. gconf-service-backend is broken, because it depends on gconf-service. but, gconf-service is broken as well, because... it depends on gconf-service-backend
[14:07] <gnomefreak> Griwes: did you/are you upgrading using update-manager -d?
[14:07] <Griwes> yes
[14:07] <Griwes> ah
[14:07] <Griwes> I did
[14:07] <fyksen> hey Im rocking a 2 monitor setup in 12.04 with nvidia 295.40 driver. I got a problem with the mouse "sticking" to its desktop if I try to move the mouse from one desktop to the other. Is this a bug or a feature? anyway to turn it off?
[14:07] <Griwes> but right now, I'm do-release-upgrade'ing
[14:10] <Griwes> pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages
[14:10] <Griwes> I guess I will find that circular problem in log again
[14:11] <gnomefreak> Griwes: you can always run "sudo apt-get install -f" than see if it fixes it than continnue with upgrade using u-m or do-*
[14:11] <gnomefreak> Griwes: run the install command about see if it helps
[14:11] <Griwes> I tried, it did nothing
[14:12] <Griwes> you know, I tried to google anything helpful before coming here
[14:12] <gnomefreak> gbrthere are no held back packages (at least the ones i have installed)
[14:13] <Xlaits> Anyone know how to install Java?
[14:14] <Xlaits> Anyone here? Hello...?
[14:14] <gnomefreak> Xlaits: `use software-center
[14:14] <Xlaits> gnomefreak: I've tried...
[14:14] <gnomefreak> and?
[14:15] <Griwes> gnomefreak, logs: https://gist.github.com/2413864 and that circular wtf - https://gist.github.com/2413865
[14:15] <Xlaits> I'm not looking for "OpenJDK" I'm looking for Sun Java.
[14:16] <gnomefreak> Griwes: did you try apt-get ionstall -f?
[14:16] <gnomefreak> Xlaits: 11.10 or 12.04?
[14:16] <Xlaits> 10.04
[14:16] <Xlaits> 12.02, sorry.
[14:16] <Griwes> .04, you meant? :D
[14:16] <Griwes> gnomefreak, I tried
[14:17] <Xlaits> Whatever it is. I thought it was .02...
[14:17] <gnomefreak> Xlaits: do you want java 7 or java 6
[14:17] <gnomefreak> its .04
[14:17] <Xlaits> Is Minecraft Discriminate against them?
[14:17] <gnomefreak> april 2012
[14:17] <gnomefreak> Xlaits: i dont know here try 7
[14:17] <Griwes> gnomefreak, https://gist.github.com/2413882
[14:18] <gnomefreak> Xlaits: install openjdk-7-jdk
[14:18] <Xlaits> There's that "openJDK" thing again...
[14:19] <gnomefreak> you stated you wanted it so i found it and gave it to you.
[14:19] <gnomefreak> Xlaits: what exactly do you want
[14:19] <gnomefreak> Griwes: im not sure what is wrong. try update than run -f install command
[14:19] <Xlaits> I'm hating the OpenJDK, due to it's uselessness in doing anything I need it to do...
[14:19] <Griwes> gnomefreak, I already tried it
[14:20] <Griwes> Xlaits, you should say "I'm hating any JDK, due to it's uselessness in doing anything I need it to do" and it would still be true :D
[14:20] <gnomefreak> Xlaits: iirc the non-free packages are in the conical repo.
[14:21] <gnomefreak> Griwes: sorry im not sure i woudl file a bug.
[14:21] <Pici> shaped like a cone.
[14:22] <gnomefreak> we are/did move to the free verrsion of java so soon that is all you will find. hell that is all i found a minute ago
[14:23]  * gnomefreak leaving for a while im tired as crap
[14:24] <dekuked> hey, I'm having trouble installing the beta on an acer aspire using the amd c60
[14:24] <bazhang> dekuked, have you tried the alternate installer cd
[14:24] <dekuked> nope
[14:24] <dekuked> just going through the bootoptions
[14:24] <dekuked> noapm, noacpi and vga=323 and stuff like that
[14:25] <dekuked> I mean, is this something where waiting 10 days would benefit me?
[14:25] <dekuked> or is the installer kind of frozen at this point
[14:25] <bazhang> I'd try the alternate
[14:25] <dekuked> k, will do
[14:29] <Xlaits> I'm looking to install a Java that ISN'T OpenJDK. Can ANYONE help me?
[14:32] <Xlaits> Anyone?
[14:32] <metalfan_> did you try apt-cache search java ?
[14:33] <metalfan_> did you try apt-cache search java|grep sun ?
[14:33] <metalfan_> that should show you the name of the sun package which you can then install by apt-get install java-something-sun
[14:35] <bazhang> !java | Xlaits
[14:44] <Xlaits> That didn't help me at all.
[14:47] <astraljava> Xlaits: Did you check the link?
[14:49] <Bluefoxicy> sigh
[14:49] <Bluefoxicy> It used to be you could just right click a printer and hit "Share"
[14:49] <Bluefoxicy> now what the heck is it
[14:49] <Bluefoxicy> I can't find it and google took me to obsolete info
[14:50] <Bluefoxicy> Wow
[14:50] <Bluefoxicy> you have to edit config files
[14:53] <metalfan_> xlaits that oage ideed seems a bit weird
[14:54] <metalfan_> astraljava  cant he just use something like apt-get install java-sun-jre and let apt worry about the right packages?
[14:54] <metalfan_> astraljava working with wget seems a bit experimental in this case
[15:04] <astraljava> metalfan_: Oracle's Java packages are no longer in the repositories.
[15:05] <astraljava> The cooperation with Canonical has stopped, for whatever reason.
[15:07] <eye-gor> astraljava: It's becasuse of this. > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-December/001528.html
[15:08] <astraljava> eye-gor: Right, okay, thanks.
[15:10] <metalfan_> why would they not allow ubuntu to redistribute the crap they write?
[15:14] <astraljava> metalfan_: Did you read the post behind the link?
[15:17] <metalfan_> yes, there was some kind of security hole
[15:17] <metalfan_> which however was introduced by sun/oracle
[15:19] <metalfan_> ah, another link states that openjdk will be the basis for oracles java
[15:20] <zozy> hi
[15:22] <zozy> anybody got successful running a vmware player under 12.04beta?
[15:26] <roasted> Good morning everyone.
[15:26] <roasted> Anybody here running any type of scanner on 12.04? I've tried two different scanners, Lexmark X1185, and HP 5400c, and both fail to be recognized by XSane or Simple Scan. I'm kind of at a loss on how to get either of these scanners working.
[15:29] <jtrucks> heh, I think network vulnerability scanner when you say scanner, so I was momentarily confused at the mention of hardware from lexmark an HP :P
[15:29] <fyksen> hey Im rocking a 2 monitor setup in 12.04 with nvidia 295.40 driver. I got a problem with the mouse "sticking" to its desktop if I try to move the mouse from one desktop to the other. Is this a bug or a feature? anyway to turn it off?
[15:35] <alecu> fyksen, the mouse "cursor" sticks but you can click on the second screen?
[15:36] <spaceneedle> All my gnome shell extensions are now obsolete, according to the gnome extensions site.
[15:38] <spaceneedle> I wish the developers would fix the jumbled words in the corner.
[15:40] <fyksen> alecu, yeah, if I drag the mouse from one desktop to the other, it sticks, at the "gap" between the screen, so I have to really push to get the mouse over.. I hope you understand what i mean.
[15:42] <Arnold> fyksen, try to get into System Settings -> Displays and set Sticky Edges to Off.
[15:42] <fyksen> okey, Il try it : )
[15:43] <ironm> hello. may I ask what virtualization would you recommend for precise? KVM, row Xen or XCP? Thank you in advance for any hints.
[15:43] <fyksen> Arnold, ty so much.. Should have tried to find it myself, but I just kept looking in compiz settings. So thank you for your time!
[15:44] <Arnold> fyksen, you're welcome :) I remembered that Unity 5.8 brought new multi-monitor options a while ago, so this was one of them
[15:46] <ironm> another question. I have tested shortly virt-manager to manage KVM VMs. Is there a better choice?
[15:46] <bluj> hi i'm running a fully updated ubuntu 12.04, can anyone tell me why there is no 'Restart' option in my top right corner? just lock, log out, suspend, shutdown
[15:47] <Arnold> bluj, you have to click Shutdown and you'll get three buttons there - one will be restart on the far left side of the dialog
[15:47] <bluj> Arnold: cheers
[15:47] <Arnold> You're welcome bluj
[15:50] <|Anthony|> every logout for me creates a zombie lightdm
[15:51] <|Anthony|> regardless of user or if i log into unity 2d, 3d, or even xbmc standalone
[15:56] <roasted> Anybody here running any type of scanner on 12.04? I've tried two different scanners, Lexmark X1185, and HP 5400c, and both fail to be recognized by XSane or Simple Scan. I'm kind of at a loss on how to get either of these scanners working.
[15:59] <astraljava> roasted: I did use a scanner on my precise setup, but it's not here at the moment, so can't give much support.
[15:59] <astraljava> It worked, though. One of those HP's all-in-one machines.
[15:59] <roasted> astraljava: jakldfjslk;fjds;
[16:00] <roasted> astraljava: It's beyond frustrating that I had a lexmark scanner fail, okay fine, it's a lexmark I know they're hit or miss, but to get an HP too and it also fail.
[16:00] <roasted> It rages me beyond belief.
[16:00] <astraljava> I understand. Sorry to hear that, and hope you get support from someone. Good luck!
[16:07] <brendand> roasted, is it connected wirelessly?
[16:16] <roasted_> brendand: no, it's not
[16:16] <roasted_> sorry, lost connection
[16:16] <roasted_> brendand: It's a USB scanner.
[16:17] <fishcooker> im on vmware for windows with PP as guest
[16:17] <fishcooker> the resolution is bigger than i've imagine
[16:17] <fishcooker> how to solve the problem?
[16:18] <brendand> roasted, ok, i have a hp which is wireless and it does work. i guess that's not much help
[16:18] <roasted_> brendand: with 12.04 I take it?
[16:18] <brendand> roasted, yeah
[16:18] <roasted_> what model printer?
[16:20] <Fyodorovna> roasted_, I have a generic scanner that runs on simple scan a umax ultra 1220
[16:20] <brendand> roasted, HP Photosmart B110
[16:20] <roasted> man
[16:20] <roasted> I hate you guys :(
[16:20] <roasted> two scanners, one being an HP that should supposedly work, no dice.
[16:21] <Fyodorovna> roasted, have you tried either with a live disc of say 11.10?
[16:21] <roasted> Fyodorovna: no, but I have 11.10 on my work laptop... once I go home for lunch I plan to try it and see.
[16:30] <cypher-neo> Odd question... I know that in order to restart the computer you click on Shutdown and then click Restart from the Shutdown dialog. Any expectation that Restart might be added back to the menu?
[16:30] <cypher-neo> I don't like extra mouse clicks...
[16:31] <roasted> o.O
[16:31] <roasted> it's one extra mouse click, no?
[16:31] <cypher-neo> Still...
[16:31] <Fyodorovna> cypher-neo, I am using the cairo dock it's off button has a restart.
[16:32] <Ian_Corne> cypher-neo: it's there because you shouldn't have to restart often :)
[16:32] <cypher-neo> I remember that there was a specific mod for GNOME Shell which added the Restart directly to the menu.
[16:32] <cypher-neo> I was just wondering if there was a similar mod for Unity, or I could use Cairo Dock.
[16:34] <cypher-neo> Also, another question... and this is also kind of anal because I know how to do the said operation in both apt and synaptic.
[16:35] <cypher-neo> But if you add a repository how do you force the package lists to refresh in USC?
[16:35]  * jtrucks never uses synaptic. what's the advantage?
[16:36] <cypher-neo> I'm just wondering what decided when USC refreshes. Because it doesn't automatically refresh when a PPA is added.
[16:36] <cypher-neo> Which is a major oversight, imho.
[16:36] <bazhang> cypher-neo, shutting down usc before apt-get update
[16:37] <cypher-neo> bazhang, lol! That's the only way?
[16:37] <bazhang> cypher-neo, is there not a refresh on usc? I dont use it so cannot say. how are you adding the ppa btw
[16:38] <cypher-neo> bazhang, Okay, well... that was what I did. I was just wondering if there was an option in USC (like what exists in Synaptic) to refresh the packages lists.
[16:38] <cypher-neo> bazhang, Just for fun I added the package list using Software Sources inside USC.
[16:41] <ironhalik> hmm, anyone using gadugadu with piding on precise?
[16:46] <roasted> cypher-neo: the mod for Gnome Shell also came about it confused newer users that you had to hold down ALT for additional options in the menu, which I downright disagree with since "restart" is not an advanced feature that should be hidden like that by default.
[16:46] <roasted> (sorry wasn't paying attention in channel for a while)
[16:47] <philinux> roasted: have you seen the 12.10 top right menu suggestions
[16:47] <roasted> philinux: I have not. *googles*
[16:47] <topyli> it is a bit odd. the rationale seems to be that users mostly want to suspend and continue their work later
[16:48] <roasted> topyli: that would work great, if suspend worked on 100% of computers out there.
[16:48] <roasted> topyli: it does not, so I'd disagree to suspend being the only option there.
[16:48] <topyli> the reboot/shutdown options will also pop up if you push the power button on your computer, which does make some sense
[16:48] <roasted> topyli: agreed there.
[16:48] <roasted> topyli: however, most people I know have their tower somewhat hidden, which kind of detracts from the logistics behind that point to some degree.
[16:48] <roasted> topyli: but iwth a ton of users being on laptops, it makes a ton of sense.
[16:49] <philinux> roasted: http://iloveubuntu.net/ubuntu-1210s-indicator-menus-refinements-published
[16:50] <philinux> When you look at the 12.04 menu the shutdown has three dots shutdown... which means more sort of
[16:50] <roasted> Why not just have 2 options. "Log out" and "Power options..." of some sort?
[16:51] <roasted> hit power options, suspend, hibernate, shut down, restart
[16:51] <roasted> clean menu, all functionality.
[16:51] <philinux> roasted: I like the 12.10 arrangement
[16:51] <roasted> I just didn't agree with Gnome Shell's ALT key requirement to have restart show up.
[16:51] <philinux> Hope it gets backported
[16:51] <roasted> So many users, even tech people I told about said, wait really?
[16:52] <roasted> One guy even said "Now that's some stupid Apple-style crap there". Word for word. Made me LOL pretty hard...
[16:53] <topyli> oh well. this is what extensions are for if it annoys you too much :)
[16:54] <topyli> i'm happy enough once i finally discovered how to shut down. it's not obvious by any measure
[16:55] <topyli> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/5/alternative-status-menu/
[16:56] <roasted> I loved gnome shell otherwise.
[16:56] <roasted> but since getting used to unity in 12.04, I'm kind of a unity fanboy now. It's weird...
[16:56] <roasted> never thought it would happen...
[16:56] <eye-gor> Same here
[16:57] <cypher-neo> Ditto
[16:57] <jtrucks> I just type reboot at a prompt to restart.
[16:57] <jtrucks> works every time and it isn't hidden ;)
[16:57] <roasted> This HUD thing is addicting as well.
[16:57] <cypher-neo> I hated Unity, and was quite open about my Unity hatred in 10.10 and 11.04.
[16:57] <cypher-neo> But I quite like Unity now
[16:58] <roasted> cypher-neo: I was extremely vocal against Unity as well.
[16:58] <roasted> Granted, I knew Unity would get better, but I always felt as though for each +1 Gnome Shell would have, Unity would only be +0.5
[16:58] <roasted> Like each Unity step would = two GS steps...
[16:58] <topyli> nothing is ready on day 1, and unity too needed some time. i think it's getting there
[16:58] <roasted> I just felt like Unity would lag behind and not contain as much momentum as GS.
[16:58]  * cypher-neo nods
[16:58] <roasted> topyli: no doubt. I just never felt confident it would solidify into something as solid as I'm seeing in 12.04.
[16:59] <cypher-neo> Everyone else felt the same apparently. Didn't virtually every Ubuntu based fork start using GNOME Shell instead of Unity?
[16:59] <roasted> I never once thought I'd actually prefer Unity. Never. I always wanted to like it, I always tried to tolerate it, but it just drove me crazy for the most part.
[16:59] <roasted> I can only hope Unity will pop up on other distros now that it's proving to not suck so much.
[17:00] <roasted> Fedora with Unity would be a nice thing to toy around with, imo...
[17:00] <topyli> won't happen. fedora always sports default gnome :)
[17:00] <topyli> well mostly
[17:00] <roasted> topyli: I never meant by default...
[17:00] <roasted> but, an installable option.
[17:00] <roasted> kind of like how GS is on Ubuntu currently.
[17:00] <roasted> not default, but apt-get'able
[17:01] <topyli> yeah, there might be someone interested enough to create an unity repository for fedora, but so far i don't think there is one
[17:01] <cypher-neo> lol. That would be nice in Fedora
[17:01] <roasted> fedora originally had plans to support it, but canceled when the unity backlash began this time last year
[17:02] <roasted> maybe that will change??
[17:02] <cypher-neo> Myself, personally? I'm just so happy that GIMP is back!
[17:02] <roasted> Gimp?
[17:02] <roasted> Gimp left?
[17:02] <roasted> you mean the default CD?
[17:02] <cypher-neo> That build-dependancy nightmare at the end of 11.10 left me GIMPless for about 2 months.
[17:02] <roasted> I was using 2.7 on 11.10 via ppa. I hadn't ran into any issues. *shrug*
[17:02] <topyli> i doubt red hat would support official unity work in the fedora camp, because all the patches would go under canonical's "license agreement"
[17:03] <cypher-neo> I mean the updated GIMP PPA with Single Window Mode
[17:03] <topyli> or that's how i've understood this
[17:03] <roasted> cypher-neo: yeah... that's what I was using. 2.7 (which introduces single window mode)
[17:03] <cypher-neo> Mmm, 2.8rc1 is out now
[17:03] <cypher-neo> Different PPA though
[17:03] <roasted> topyli: so, while unity is open source, canonical still has some sort of EULA with it?
[17:04] <topyli> roasted: you have to assign copyright to canonical
[17:04] <cypher-neo> roasted, I don't remember all the details, but at one point GIMP wouldn't build because it had unmet dependances. So I went to manually build it.
[17:04] <topyli> which honestly isn't any worse than what the FSF does with GNU tools, but still
[17:04] <cypher-neo> roasted, Couldn't build the dependancy one tier down because it had unmet dependances
[17:04] <cypher-neo> roasted, Went down 7 tiers, and kept finding packages that wouldn't build!!
[17:05] <roasted> topyli: yeah... I can see red hat being in a tiffle just knowing they'd have to associate with anything else other than GPL3 or whatever.
[17:05] <cypher-neo> roasted, Finally gave up, and figured someone would sort it out and make a new PPA which worked.
[17:05] <roasted> cypher-neo: well dang. I didn't have that sort of nightmare, but I didn't use gimp THAT heavily.
[17:07] <roasted> I love how the most basic of scripts can simplify your life so much
[17:07] <roasted> I just did a quick and dirty bin bash script to run apt-get update twice, upgrade, dist-upgrade, wget google chrome, dpkg -i it, and install a ton of apps from the repos
[17:08] <roasted> so now I can sit here as my fresh install on a new laptop comes to life exactly as I want it to
[17:08] <roasted> that said, it's lunchtime. cya fellas!
[17:09] <skwishy> So I installed xscreensaver, but seems like a different screen locking system, compared to 11.04.  Are there no more screensavers bundled by default in 12.04?
[17:09] <bazhang> !find screensaver
[17:10] <santagada> I have no sound, but alsa found a sound card and all volume levels seems to be on 100% even on alsamixer
[17:11] <santagada> when I plug the headphones (ones that I know are working) I don't hear the bleep that you should hear when plugin on a live input
[17:11] <santagada> if I try to plug it on the mic input I do hear it...
[17:11] <pepee> is someone having troubles with synaptics touchpads, like random cursor jumps while dragging images or selecting text?
[17:12] <skwishy> Ok, seems that gnome-screensaver is installed, I just can't find where to configure it to use something other than a black screen.
[17:12] <pepee> also, multiarch fail: try installing fp-compiler:i386, you will need binutils:i386, wich will delete lots of packages
[17:13] <dekuked> hey, I installed 12.04  via the alternate cd and don't know what to do. I used an ecrypted home + lvm, but now it boots by default and hangs at a pitch black screen (no power going to the display). When I run it in safe mode with networking eth0 still doesn't auto connect, and even when I run ifconfig eth0 129.168.0.13, assigning it an address it still can't connect to the network.
[17:14] <dekuked> so the display is effed and I can't even update/upgrade it. What should I do?
[17:14] <pepee> dekuked, use dhclient -v eth0
[17:14] <dekuked> k
[17:14] <pepee> try fixing dpkg/apt-get
[17:14] <dekuked> and what about xorg? I remember I used to use linux, got the display working via xorg -reconfigure or some shit to get a xorg.conf that works.
[17:14] <dekuked> what's the recommendationg there?
[17:15] <dekuked> pepee: k, ill update it, hopefully the graphics comes around.
[17:15] <pepee> dekuked, you don't even need that file, try renaming it to xorg.conf.bkp or something
[17:16] <pepee> also, startx should give you some output
[17:16] <dekuked> also, as a heads up the packages installer (where I selected openssh server and ubuntu desktop) wouldn't let me install anything
[17:16] <dekuked> got an error saying something generic everytime
[17:17] <dekuked> maybe it's just a corrupted flash stick, but I don't think so
[17:17] <pepee> dekuked, is -configure
[17:17] <pepee> yeah, try to fix dpkg/apt-get
[17:17] <pepee> google the error message
[17:18] <pepee> messages, if any
[17:19] <heckman> Does anyone have any ideas on this bug in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS running as a domU: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/980917
[17:20] <BluesKaj> sudo do-release-upgrade -d returns me "No new version found!" ..isn't there a bug report for this ? ...he's trying to upgrade from 11.10
[17:21] <Pici> BluesKaj: make sure that the system already has been fully updated and dist-upgraded beforehand.
[17:21] <box-of-donuts> update-manager -d
[17:21] <BluesKaj> Pici, , yeah I told him
[17:21] <Pici> box-of-donuts: do-release-upgrade does the same thing as update-manager.
[17:21] <box-of-donuts> Pici: but mine is less typing
[17:22] <Pici> box-of-donuts: and requires a gui.
[17:22] <santagada> pavucontrol also show my sound card and all its outputs, everything apears to be right, except I'm getting no sound
[17:22] <santagada> I'm starting to think this is a driver problem
[17:23] <pepee> santagada, do you have an hdmi output?
[17:23] <pepee> santagada, could be a problem with how alsa sorts the output cards
[17:24] <box-of-donuts> Pici: ah server dudes again
[17:25] <grylos> hello!
[17:25] <BluesKaj> santagada,
[17:25] <BluesKaj> in the terminal type ' alsamixer ', make sure the Master, PCM,  Line & CD are all unmuted ,by using the "M" key'
[17:26] <BluesKaj> then turn those controls up to the max.
[17:26] <grylos> has anybody tested 12.04 beta?? is solved the overheating problem at this version?
[17:27] <cypher-neo> grylos, You mean the overheating problem that 10.10 and 11.04 had?
[17:27] <santagada> BlakJak, will try
[17:27] <grylos> also 11.10 in my occasion and others as i see in forums
[17:27] <grylos> cypher-neo: also 11.10 in my occasion and others as i see in forums
[17:29] <cypher-neo> grylos, I've been testing 12.04 for the last couple days, and the overheating problem seems to be gone.
[17:29] <cypher-neo> grylos, Or extremely limited
[17:29] <heckman> I wish I could get my console working :/
[17:30] <grylos> cypher-neo: these are good news!!
[17:30] <cypher-neo> grylos, I haven't pressed my computer really hard, but Unity by itself used to cause me to overheat in 11.10 and Unity is not causing any heat problems for me in 12.04
[17:30] <cypher-neo> grylos, It's very good news!!
[17:31] <cypher-neo> grylos, My best sugggestion would be to download the beta and check it for yourself.
[17:32] <cypher-neo> grylos, If you have a flash drive you can install using usb-drive-creator.
[17:32] <cypher-neo> grylos, Then preview, and try installing and running things
[17:33] <grylos> cypher-neo: actually i tried 15 minutes before the suggestion of some guys in some forums, to activate the the pcie_aspm in grub
[17:33] <cypher-neo> grylos, pcie_aspm?
[17:34] <cypher-neo> grylos, What is that?
[17:34] <santagada> BlakJak, didn't work, everything is at 100 and unmutted and it still doesn't work
[17:35]  * cypher-neo will be back... shortly.
[17:35] <grylos> cypher-neo: it isn't the best solution because it can invoke problems, but i notice that laptop has lower temperature
[17:35] <santagada> BlakJak, any other idea?
[17:36] <johnjohn101> so how close is 12.04 to being done?  I've installed all the latest updates and there is 8 days to go.
[17:36] <grylos> cypher-neo: you can see it here http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Power_Management_Guide/ASPM.html
[17:40] <BluesKaj> santagada, my nick isn't blak- jak ...I can't see your posts if you don't use the right nick since I'm in several chats
[17:40] <santagada> BluesKaj, sorry xchat just autocompletes with whatever it wants (instead of presenting options)
[17:41] <santagada> BluesKaj, I tried what you said and it didn't work
[17:41] <bazhang> santagada, not if you select last spoken in the preferences
[17:41] <BluesKaj> santagada, pastebin the output of  , aplay -l , we need to see which driver is in use if any
[17:42] <santagada> bazhang: thanks
[17:42] <santagada> bazhang: would still prefer a list of choices but this is better than the default
[17:43] <bazhang> santagada, it gives them, as you type more letters to tab complete the nick
[17:44] <skwishy> Can someone help me debug why Ctrl-Alt+L which is tied to locking the screen, it just stops working until I reboot again.
[17:44] <santagada> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/935768/
[17:44] <santagada> bazhang: thanks
[17:45] <skwishy> is "gnome-settings-daemon" related to locking the screen?
[17:46] <skwishy> or at least is "gnome-settings-daemon" related to capturing keyboard shortcuts?
[17:46] <santagada> BluesKaj: hda intel  chipset is vt1705
[17:48] <BluesKaj> santagada, cat /proc/asound/module .
[17:49] <skwishy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/935773/   Maybe this is related to why ctrl+alt+L stops working (to lock the screen).
[17:50] <santagada> BluesKaj:  0 snd_hda_intel
[17:53] <BluesKaj> santagada, alt+f2 , kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf . Add this line to the bottom of the file and save it . options snd_hda_intel index=0
[17:55] <santagada> BluesKaj: will use vim but thanks
[17:56] <BluesKaj> santagada, sory , thought i was on kubuntu chat ...use whatever editor suits you
[17:56] <skwishy> How can I debug what happens after pressing a keyboard shortcut?  I'm trying to "see" what fails when locking the screen.  Other shortcuts work, but ctrl-alt-l doesnt do anything, however "gnome-screensaver-command -l" from bash works.
[17:57] <BluesKaj> santagada, after adding the line and saving the file , you may have to reboot
[17:57] <santagada> BluesKaj: done, can't I just do a modprobe to load it?
[17:58] <skwishy> I also see "/usr/bin/gnome-screensaver --no-daemon" is running.
[17:58] <BluesKaj> santagada, modprobe can't hurt , but alsa may need to be reloaded to see the changes
[17:59] <santagada> BluesKaj: I tried "sudo alsa force-reload" but it didn't fix it
[17:59] <BluesKaj> yeah, forceing the reload doesn't always work
[18:00] <santagada> BluesKaj: will restart the machine... beback in 5min
[18:02] <countfuzzball> Hey all, I'm getting a heap of weird problems with jackd2 on ubuntu pangolin server: http://paste.ubuntu.com/935789/ I've already added myself to the audio group and what's with the dbus thing trying to acquire the card? I'm not running pulse, only have alsa installed.
[18:03] <BluesKaj> countfuzzball, is your card a pci or onboard?
[18:04] <countfuzzball> I've tried both cards I have. One being onboard, the other via usb. Both have the same result.
[18:04] <santagada> BluesKaj: didn't work
[18:05] <varikonniemi> hello, why did this not get in 12.04 ? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/aero-snap-oneiric/
[18:06] <Pici> varikonniemi: The bug linked from that page explains it, see the last comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/689792
[18:08] <fishcooker> i've encrypt my home folder..
[18:09] <fishcooker> consequence.. i cant read the directory home even from ext2explore from windows os
[18:09] <dekuked> so I got my system sort of working
[18:09] <fishcooker> is there any clue on this stuf
[18:09] <dekuked> when it boots up, a gui with a nice password prompt comes up
[18:09] <fishcooker> ?
[18:09] <dekuked> for the encryped lvm
[18:09] <dekuked> but after that the screen shuts off
[18:10] <dekuked> so obviously x works somewhat...
[18:10] <dekuked> not sure where to go from here
[18:11] <santagada> BluesKaj: any other idea?
[18:11] <santagada> fishcooker: this is expected
[18:12] <BluesKaj> santagada, nope , that procdure used to work on 11.10 , I see now that it no longer works on 12.04 . I don't have any clue why it's not working
[18:12] <santagada> fishcooker: only a software that supports the same encryption scheme will be able to read it, probably ext2explore doesn't
[18:14] <elijah> Somehow the one of the latest updates broke flash on chromium 18
[18:14] <BluesKaj> santagada, you card is card+0 , which is the default , so it should be fine unless the driver is no longer correct  ..this is the second time I've come across this with intelhda on 12.04
[18:15] <BluesKaj> card=0 rather
[18:15] <santagada> BluesKaj: is there any bug reports I can follow?
[18:15] <BluesKaj> santagada, dunno , i haven't checked launchpad
[18:16] <elijah> Is anyone here running chromium 18 with latest updates installed? If you are can you go to "chrome:plugins" and see if flash is available?
[18:19] <trism> elijah: it is there for me, did you restart your browser after the update? (it wasn't there before I restarted)
[18:20] <elijah> trism: I will try now, thanks
[18:20] <fishcooker> thankyou santagada
[18:21] <fishcooker> for quick response
[18:21] <elijah> trism: Thanks, that worked great. I didn't even think to restart it!
[18:21] <fishcooker> that's why God damn encrypted stuff
[18:21] <fishcooker> :D
[18:22] <fishcooker> btw how to disable encryption...
[18:22] <fishcooker> actually i choose the option for try out only
[18:22] <fishcooker> when i install PP
[18:23] <fishcooker> it is the first time i use this feature
[18:23] <fishcooker> btw how to disable it
[18:23] <fishcooker> ?
[18:36] <cypher-neo> This might be nitpicking... but wouldn't the Beta 2 release technically be the Gamma release?
[18:36] <cypher-neo> lol
[18:46] <fishcooker> btw how to disable home folder encryption... actually i choose the option for try out only it is the first time i use this feature
[18:46] <fishcooker>  btw how to disable it
[19:16] <BarkingFish> Evening guys. Can I check something? Is it possible for Gnome and KDE to co-exist in Kubuntu?  I have stuff I need from Ubuntu which isn't in Kubuntu, but I don't want to lose Kubuntu, and I want the system to look like KDE...
[19:24] <Logan_> BarkingFish: Yes, definitely.
[19:24] <Logan_> You should be able to install Gnome-based software in Kubuntu.
[19:25] <Logan_> Which "stuff" are you referring to?
[19:26] <dekuked> so what am I supposed to do if x is stuck hanging in the boot process?
[19:26] <dekuked> cause x is runnign fine when it asks for the lvm pass
[19:26] <dekuked> but dies pretty quick right after
[19:27] <BarkingFish> Logan_, I'm looking to double up the keyboard support, so I can get something which works in Inuktitut or CAS :)
[19:27] <Logan_> Ah.
[19:27] <BarkingFish> I want at least the gnome base, plus a decent gnome text editor so I can use functions and stuff from the same DE
[19:28] <BarkingFish> but without losing KDE and having my desktop look all brown and thingified :P
[19:29] <dekuked> hello?
[19:30] <heckman> dekuked: you could switch to another tty and kill X
[19:30] <Logan_> BarkingFish: You might have to switch to the Gnome desktop environment.
[19:30] <BarkingFish> >:(
[19:30] <dekuked> heckman: how do I switch tty?
[19:30] <BarkingFish> I'd rather eat my gym trainers :P
[19:31] <heckman> I think CTRL + ALT + F1 (will put you on tty1)
[19:31] <heckman> Once you are done, do the same but with F7 to go back to where X is normally runny
[19:31] <heckman> running*
[19:31] <Logan_> BarkingFish: Or Unity.
[19:31] <BarkingFish> 0.o
[19:32] <BarkingFish> I'll wait till KDE get an Inuktitut language pack out :)
[19:33] <Logan_> BarkingFish: Do you know what the package is called?
[19:34] <Logan_> Actually, it doesn't look like there's a specific package for the Inuktitut keyboard layout (or any of them).
[19:34] <BarkingFish> there's no specific package as such, all i need is to install gnome's base, keyboard and language support, and a text editor :)
[19:34] <dekuked> I keep seeing a fleeting error saying swap not present or something
[19:34] <Logan_> It's just within the language support.
[19:34] <Logan_> Yeah.
[19:35] <Logan_> BarkingFish: It's really not that bad: http://i.imgur.com/J9Ud9.jpg
[19:35] <BarkingFish>  i need the features of gnome, without wrecking kde. If using the keyboard support means losing kde, I'll stick with what I have.
[19:36]  * BarkingFish puts his sunglasses on, takes a migraine pill and darkens his room down#
[19:36] <Logan_> Hahaha.
[19:36] <Logan_> You see, I'm the opposite. I think KDE is overly bloated. :-P
[19:38] <buhman> O.o people actually use gnome/kde?
[19:38] <dekuked> it says someting like hostname_swap_1 not ready yet when running fsk
[19:38] <dekuked> fsck
[19:38] <dekuked> what the fsck
[19:40] <dekuked> uh...
[19:40] <dekuked> looking at stuff on google
[19:40] <dekuked> how tested is lvm encryption?
[19:41] <tomodachi> dekuked: its been around for years
[19:41] <dekuked> but the swap error I'm seeing is apparently pretty common with lvm installs... since lvm was introduced
[19:42] <dekuked> when I run "sudo swapon -a" I get this:
[19:43] <dekuked> swapon: /dev/mapper/hostname-swap_1: read swap header failed: Invalid argument
[19:44] <BarkingFish> dekuked, what are you on? ubuntu or kubuntu?
[19:45] <dekuked> ubuntu 12.04
[19:45] <dekuked> swapon -a is trying to use /dev/mapper/hostname-swap_1
[19:45] <dekuked> swapon -s list /dev/mapper/cryptswap1
[19:45] <BarkingFish> ok - i don't think i can help you anyhow, if you're using lvm - i have no experience. sorry
[19:46] <dekuked> yeah encrypted lvm issue...
[19:46] <BarkingFish> normally I'd just tell people to use a partition manager and format their swap, and then remount it.  but with lvm, i wouldn't know where to start :)
[19:46] <dekuked> ugh
[19:46] <dekuked> I don't know wheret to start either
[19:46] <dekuked> is there any real benefit to using lvm?
[19:47] <dekuked> I mean I kind of did as "what the hell, maybe it's useful/tested by now"
[19:47] <dekuked> usually I just encrypt my home fs
[19:49] <dekuked> is there any real benefit for lvm on a desktop machine?
[19:52] <roasted> helo
[19:52] <roasted> +l
[20:32] <dupondje> dekuked: when do you get that error ?
[20:32] <dupondje> can you boot
[20:32] <dupondje> whats in your /etc/fstab & /etc/crypttab ?
[20:34] <jtaylor> dekuked: depends what you use it for, e.g. for ubuntu testing its very useful, you can have a billion partitions for installs and sort-of snapshot upgrades
[21:21] <dekuked> okay, no matter what I do I'm stuck
[21:21] <DonaldShimoda> hi
[21:21] <DonaldShimoda> is ths message normal for the new ubuntu version?
[21:21] <DonaldShimoda> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://bo.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/bo.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages)
[21:21] <dekuked> I have an amd c60, which means a AMD Radeon HD 6290 is built in
[21:21] <DonaldShimoda> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://bo.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/bo.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[21:22] <DonaldShimoda> im on a 64 bits distro
[21:22] <dekuked> I don't know what to do to get graphics support
[21:22] <dekuked> especially since during the early boot the graphics do work at the right resolution
[21:22] <dekuked> but die about 5 seconds in
[21:23] <dekuked> and I can't switch tty and Ctrl-Alt-Backspae and Alt-PrtScr-K both don't work
[21:23] <dekuked> so I'm stuck in safe mode
[21:23] <nemo> So, I was playing othello in 12.04 - and wierdest thing.  All of a sudden it stopped responding to input on the main window.
[21:23] <nemo> The prefs menu in nav still worked fine
[21:24] <dekuked> I think that these drivers should be open source and in the mainstream kernel...
[21:24] <dekuked> could someone correct me on that assumption?
[21:24] <nemo> Even clicking the X to close was ignored.  Or right clicking on othello in the Unity app bar
[21:24] <nemo> (and choosing close)
[21:24] <nemo> checking ~/.xsession-errors, there were a bunch of errors about the app having a timestamp that was invalid or something.  Was like suddenly it lost track of the app
[21:25] <nemo> anyway. had to use killall to finish it off, which is a bit disconcerting. you'd think Unity would have been able to issue a kill.
[21:25] <nemo> oh. also I reallly hate that message bar in the new othello - I don't know how many other apps have it, but it means every game message shrinks the playing area which drives me bonkers
[21:26] <nemo> I hope that's not some new UI concept across the board
[21:31] <DrHalan> hey guys
[21:31] <DrHalan> gksu is broken for me and no one cares about my bugreport :(
[21:31] <DrHalan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/949265
[21:36] <topyli> nemo: i just tried to play a game, i get the same thing
[21:40] <nemo> topyli: the annoying message or the freeze? 'cause the freeze just happened to me once
[21:40] <kklimonda> DrHalan: try running it with -d to gather more info
[21:41] <nemo> oh. and Unity 2D has been crashing a lot
[21:41] <topyli> nemo: froze and i got the "wait/force quit" dialog
[21:44] <nemo> nice
[21:44] <kklimonda> DrHalan: but as it works for everybody else it will most likely be closed as Invalid because of some local changes you've made - LP is not really a support forum
[21:45] <kklimonda> (so you may as well ask here for help)
[21:45] <DrHalan> what local change was i supposed to have made
[21:46] <DrHalan> gksu broke for me when the new gui (with the remember-password-options) landed in precise...
[21:46] <DrHalan> before it worked fine
[21:47] <kklimonda> DrHalan: well, my gksu doesn't let me remember the password ;)
[21:48] <DrHalan> what?..
[21:48] <kklimonda> DrHalan: but, as I said, you can add gksu -d output to the bugreport and maybe someone will make something out of it
[21:49] <DrHalan> ill try purging gksu first and reinstalling it
[21:50] <kklimonda> (also, the last update of gksu was in november - has it really been broken since then?)
[21:50] <bagels> I have a non-wacom drawing tablet, how can I get it to be pressure-sensitive in programs outside of Tux Paint?
[21:51] <DrHalan> yeah... i usually use the terminal and sudo anyways
[21:51] <DrHalan> purging didn't help :/
[21:51] <kklimonda> paste output from gksu -d command somewhere
[21:57] <Logan_> Why hasn't Mark Shuttleworth announced a name for Ubuntu 12.10 yet?
[21:59] <DrHalan> kklimonda: i already attached it to the bugreport
[21:59] <astraljava> Maybe the letter Q is a tad more challenging? But anyway, what does this have to do with support?
[22:05] <Logan_> astraljava: It's been bugging me. :-P
[22:21] <Roasted> hello!
[22:21] <Roasted> Anybody notice a Unity speed increase lately when typing to install apps?
[22:22] <Roasted> It seems as if the pause after you type it in is gone and I can just hit enter and bam, app comes up
[23:08] <mongo> sweet mate 2.1 works well on 12.04