[08:00] <veger> Could someone set the importance of bug #469641 to Low (as there is an easy workaround: fill in a suitable log file location) and the status to Triaged?
[08:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 469641 in trac "trac broken after changing logging settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/469641
[08:18] <rbasak> veger: done, thanks
[08:27] <veger> rbasak: ty
[15:20] <hggdh> when testing 973747
[15:47] <mfisch> bdmurray: is there a bug meeting today?
[15:48] <bdmurray> mfisch: yes, that sounds good
[16:12] <geoffreyvanwyk> Hi All!
[18:09] <mfisch> bdmurray: Are there requirements for maintaining membership in bug control?  The wiki is pretty light on details
[18:11] <bdmurray> mfisch: no there are not, members can self renew
[18:12] <mfisch> bdmurray: that was one of my questions for a meeting
[18:12] <bdmurray> questions can be asked any time!
[18:12] <mfisch> bdmurray: I was saving them up! ;)
[18:13] <mfisch> bdmurray: the other was wrt Triaged, should we be attempting to repro bugs before marking them as triaged?  I've been doing so when feasible
[18:13] <bdmurray> mfisch: yes, definitely
[18:14] <mfisch> bdmurray: but that's not a requirement IIRC
[18:14] <hggdh> it is
[18:15] <mfisch> it's required that we repro bugs before marking them triaged?  sometimes that's not possible
[18:15] <hggdh> it is a requirement that you cannot go triaged if you cannot reproduce (i.e., confirm) the bug
[18:16] <mfisch> for example a bug about grub timeouts when talking to an HP iLO over a serial console
[18:16] <mfisch> let me go re-read
[18:16] <hggdh> mfisch: look for the definition for 'confirmed'
[18:16] <mfisch> "Triaged" doesn't mention repro here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[18:17] <mfisch> hggdh: right that's the different between Confirmed and Triaged
[18:17] <mfisch> or do you consider Triaged a superset that includes Confirmed?
[18:17] <hggdh> if it is reproducible, it is confirmed. Triaged means no new action from the triager is necessary
[18:18] <hggdh> triaged is the end of triaging (i.e., the point where I take out the triager's hat, and put on the developer/maintainer's one)
[18:19] <hggdh> of course, sometimes you may not really need the confirmed status -- for example, when you *know* the problem is true
[18:19] <bdmurray> I think the question is must bugs be Confirmed before they can be Triaged and the answer is no
[18:19] <mfisch> exactly
[18:19] <hggdh> agree
[18:19] <bdmurray> so Triaged is not a subset of Confirmed
[18:20] <mfisch> if the bug contains enough info to be actionable etc it's triaged, even if I dont have an HP iLO to test grub with
[18:20] <bdmurray> correct
[18:20] <mfisch> bdmurray: last question, are the meetings weekly/monthly/randomly?
[18:21] <roadmr> randomly ftw :)
[18:21] <bdmurray> they should be weekly but there hasn't been much participation in them
[18:21] <bdmurray> so some have been skippd
[18:21] <mfisch> i've missed my share due to lunch ;)