[14:57] <balloons> 3 mins left . ..
[14:58] <phillw> balloons: take it to #ubuntu-testing?
[14:59] <balloons> yes -- astraljava just pinged me.. I've been sitting here.. I don't know why my reminder didn't pop on my desktop.. I'm not used to the new time.. sorry guys :-(
[15:00] <balloons> hggdh, jibel, Effenberg0x0, roignac, txomon|afk care to join in #ubuntu-testing.. we'll meet a bit late :-(
[15:01] <Effenberg0x0> balloons, if you want to use #U+1, in case #ubuntu-testing is too crowded, please feel free.
[15:02]  * slangasek waves
[15:03] <jodh> o/
[15:04]  * ogra_ moos
[15:06] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[15:06] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:07] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson)
[15:07] <slangasek> jodh ev stgraber doko barry cjwatson ogra infinity bdmurray slangasek
[15:07] <jodh> * [boot]
[15:07] <jodh>   - plymouth: Sent a real fix for bug 553745 upstream (awaiting
[15:07] <jodh>     feedback). Hopefully, we'll be able to close the 270 duplicate bugs
[15:07] <jodh>     real soon now :)
[15:07] <jodh>   - lightdm: Comments on bug 969489. Needs more thought.
[15:07] <jodh> * [doc]
[15:07] <jodh>   - Cookbook updates (the cookbook now appears to have broken rst2pdf :()
[15:07] <jodh> * [misc]
[15:07] <jodh>   - Updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/PreferredTechnologies
[15:07] <jodh> * [release]
[15:07] <jodh>   - Lots of work on Upstart Release Notes
[15:07] <jodh>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/TechnicalOverviewUpstart
[15:07] <jodh> ⠕
[15:08] <ev> - Finished the apport branch that handles breaks/replaces in the retrace cache
[15:08] <ev>   which I mentioned last week.
[15:08] <ev> - Continued to shop the crash database statistics website design around.
[15:08] <ev>   Please give me your feedback as time allows.
[15:08] <ev> - Meeting with the good folks at Acunu on Friday to discuss their Acunu
[15:08] <ev>   Anayltics project which we may use as the foundation of our metrics service.
[15:08] <ev>   They're debating internally whether or not to open source it, with some
[15:08] <ev>   people pushing hard for it to be open. Unfortunately it's a bit of a black
[15:08] <ev>   box at the moment as the copy they're distributing is binary-only. I've put
[15:08] <ev>   it up in the Canonicloud with a public IP and am working on instructions for
[15:08] <ev>   those that want to test metrics collection against it.
[15:08] <ev> - Built a mean time between failures graph using sample data and the very cool
[15:08] <ev>   nvd3 that itself builds on the even cooler d3.js:
[15:08] <ev>   http://novus.github.com/nvd3/examples/cumulativeLine.html
[15:08] <ev> - Built out support in oops-repository for collecting mean time between
[15:08] <ev>   failures in real time. Worked with webops to get this deployed.
[15:08] <ev> - Fought CSS to the death (and lost) attempting to get our most common
[15:08] <ev>   problems table to use 100% of the available width, giving as little as it
[15:08] <ev>   can to all the columns except for the signature one. Hacking around for now.
[15:08] <ev> - Dug at the whoopsie build failures on PPC and ARM. Traced the cause to a
[15:08] <ev>   non-boolean function used as a glib callback. Fixed.
[15:08] <ev> - Changed our retracing code to use the new cached sandboxes and manage their
[15:08] <ev>   creation and removal. This had a slight bug in that it was creating
[15:08] <ev>   sandboxes for every single crash it retraced, quickly eating up the space on
[15:08] <ev>   that production machine. I've fixed this and webops are working on deploying
[15:08] <ev>   it.
[15:08] <ev> - Sat in on a FY11 presentation given by Rick.
[15:09] <ev> - Meeting with the design team to discuss an improved mockup and specification
[15:09] <ev>   process.
[15:09] <ev> (done)
[15:09] <stgraber> Very short week, was off on Friday, Monday and Tuesday
[15:09] <stgraber> - ISO tracker
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Minor bug reporting bugfix pushed to production
[15:09] <stgraber> - Containers
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Minor LXC fixes
[15:09] <stgraber> - Installer
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Fixed bug 966294!
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Fixed some more installer bugs (bug 973794, bug 984883)
[15:09] <stgraber> - Release
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Code review for unapproved uploads
[15:09] <barry> stgraber: \o/
[15:09] <stgraber>  - ISO testing
[15:09] <stgraber> - TODO this week (today/tomorrow)
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Continue bug fixing and testing images.
[15:09] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:10] <doko> - ARM dynamic linker path - call and updates.
[15:10] <doko> - python2.6 rebuilds and removals
[15:10] <doko> - python 2.7.3 and 3.2.3 final releases
[15:10] <doko> - prepared sru updates for python-defaults and gcc-4.6
[15:10] <doko> - prepare toolchain opening for q (gcc-4.7 ARM fixes, fixed or sent patches for all gcc-4.7
[15:10] <doko>  ftbfs (main), work done in unstable).
[15:10] <doko> - Linaro gcc-4.6 and 4.7 merges
[15:10] <doko> - gdb Linaro update (rejected)
[15:10] <doko> - best guesses on bug 983981.
[15:10] <doko> (done)
[15:11] <barry> bug 975417; bug 873468; debian bug 585145; python issue 9762; unity 2d HUD testing; more python3 transition work for 12.10; done.
[15:11] <ev> jodh: thanks for those updates to PreferredTechnologies!
[15:11] <jodh> ev: np
[15:11] <jodh> ev: I feel that page could one day outgrow the cookbook :)
[15:12] <ev> I sure hope so :)
[15:12] <slangasek> jodh: 969489> I had talked with bryce and apw about that the other day; the real problem seems to be that the graphics-device-added event happens before the device is actually ready, for obscure kernel reasons, and we don't have a reliable event that things can wait on
[15:12] <ev> there's already lots of good pointers in there about things I was completely unaware of.
[15:12] <cjwatson> Some more installer translation merges.  Tweaked partman-auto to reduce risk.
[15:12] <barry> indeed
[15:12] <cjwatson> Add hd-media/non-pae installer build (bug 977568).
[15:12] <cjwatson> Spent Thursday in London, mostly helping James track down the famous plymouth crash.
[15:12] <cjwatson> Fixed mountall and NTFS not being friends when pass!=0 (bug 838091).
[15:12] <cjwatson> Fixed the last two powerpc-specific build failures in main.  Cleaned up a few other NBS and FTBFS bits and pieces.
[15:12] <jodh> slangasek: ugh!
[15:12] <cjwatson> Add manual download verification pass to ubiquity to work around apt bug 922949.
[15:12] <cjwatson> Disable webkit cache in installer slideshow in an attempt to work around bug 979350.  That's still outstanding and tricky, though.
[15:12] <cjwatson> Holiday on Monday.
[15:13] <cjwatson> Miscellaneous command-not-found cleanups.
[15:13] <cjwatson> grub2 EFI backports to fix bug 975061.
[15:13] <cjwatson> Fix broken panel colour in ubiquity (bug 982883).
[15:13] <cjwatson> Fix broken location of kernel/initrd symlinks on powerpc (bug 958839).
[15:13] <cjwatson> Worked on analysing various upgrade bugs, and generally tried to clean up our rls-p-tracking list.
[15:13] <cjwatson> Working with dpkg upstream on bug 983187.
[15:13] <cjwatson> ..
[15:13] <ogra_> done:
[15:13] <ogra_> * many many hours spent on more compiz issues (actually nearly all my week, i'm in the last stages of testing it in the images,
[15:13] <ogra_>   seems there are still minor issues with gtk-window-decorator)
[15:13] <ogra_> * had long discussions with linaro about possible blueprints for arm bits (summary mail to platfound ML pending)
[15:13] <ogra_> * tons of user support over the weekend to nail down why suddenly initramfs doesnt find /init anymore on arm (fixed by infinity)
[15:13] <ogra_> * did some peer reviews
[15:13] <ogra_> * partman-uboot will have to be either SRU or go into 12.10 proper, compiz just stole to much of my time :(
[15:13] <ogra_> todo:
[15:13] <ogra_> * finish peer reviews
[15:13] <ogra_> * finish ubuntu-core wikipage rewrite
[15:13] <ogra_> * look into fsck slowdown (sorry steve, still didnt get to it :/ )
[15:13] <ogra_> UDS:
[15:13] <ogra_> * linaro would like to:
[15:13] <ogra_>   a) have truely embedded image possibilities and closer integration for any embedded stuff (like dev environments
[15:13] <ogra_>     (i.e. board specific eclipse plugins) but also the opportunity to build actual embedded images (i.e. for systems
[15:13] <ogra_>     with only 64M ram and 128M flash space)
[15:13] <ogra_>   b) see us integrate HW-pack usage into our build system (to drop duplication, we all seem to build the same stuff)
[15:14] <ogra_>     both should become blueprints imho.
[15:14] <ogra_> ..
[15:14] <jodh> ogra_: what was the cause of the inaccessible /init ?
[15:15] <ogra_> jodh, linker path breakage in initramfs-tools and d-i
[15:15] <ogra_> well, fsvo breakage :)
[15:15] <cjwatson> aka fallout from change in progress
[15:15] <ogra_> right
[15:16] <ogra_> well, i dont think adam expected that he had to touch it
[15:16] <ogra_> oh
[15:16] <ogra_> ..
[15:20] <slangasek> ogra_: fsck slowdown> well if people would just be happy running metacity on arm... ;)
[15:20] <ogra_> haha
[15:20] <slangasek> ogra_: please get blueprints registered for both of those topics and targeted to the sprint
[15:20] <ogra_> well, its not off my TODO
[15:20] <ogra_> yeah, will do
[15:20] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[15:21] <ogra_> fsck can well be SRUed ... sadly partman-uboot is useless as SUR until 12.04.1
[15:21] <bdmurray> bug triage of update-manager and ubiquity bug reports
[15:21] <bdmurray> uploaded an apport change to check /cdrom fullness for package install failures
[15:22] <bdmurray> uploaded update-manager patch in bug 945536
[15:22] <bdmurray> reported ubiquity bug 979350 regarding out of memory
[15:22] <bdmurray> reported casper bug 984276 regarding installing casper on non-live systems
[15:22] <slangasek> well, and also useful for people building other images out of the precise archive (i.e., OEMs)... so still worth doing even if it slips
[15:22] <bdmurray> consolidation of duplicates of bug 984276 and bug 902603
[15:22] <bdmurray> bug triage of ubiquity bug 980676 and finding duplicates of it
[15:22] <bdmurray> wrote a flashplugin-nonfree bug pattern for bug 876298 (dupe cleanup too)
[15:22] <bdmurray> added a bug pattern for bug 975320 regarding update-manager / aptdaemon
[15:22] <bdmurray> converted some harvest opportunities to output json data instead of csv files
[15:22] <bdmurray> wrote code to query ultimate debian database for duplicate title bugs by the same reporter
[15:24] <slangasek> bdmurray: done?
[15:25] <bdmurray> .. done ..
[15:25] <slangasek>  * release queue reviews
[15:25] <slangasek>  * follow through on update-notifier for the downloader changes (bug #979477, bug #979426, bug #976761)
[15:25] <slangasek>  * fixed busybox creating directories with wrong perms on 64-bit (bug #980772)
[15:25] <slangasek>  * fixed race condition in crypted swap on boot (bug #874774)
[15:25] <slangasek>  * followed through on the insserv breakage cleanup (bug #941867)
[15:25] <slangasek>  * killed defoma out of main
[15:25] <slangasek>  * trimmed plymouth bug pattern to not match on precise, now that we think the bugs are fixed (so we can see any reports that they aren't)
[15:25] <slangasek> done
[15:27] <slangasek> any questions anywhere?
[15:27] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:28] <bdmurray> I've tried recreating bug 978181 and bug 974402 without any luck
[15:28] <bdmurray> I don't think many people choose btrfs but it is still worrisome
[15:29] <slangasek> encrypted home would never prevent the directory from being created, AFAIK
[15:29] <slangasek> though I guess ecryptfs+btrfs could be making the filesystem explode
[15:29] <cjwatson> this sort of thing can happen if user-setup-apply runs into an error and bails out early
[15:31] <cjwatson> but that's not what's happening in 978181 at least
[15:31] <slangasek> I have a vague memory of seeing something else on IRC about btrfs this week
[15:31] <cjwatson> oh eep the @home madness
[15:31] <slangasek> something about problems when /home is on btrfs and you're installing over an existing system?
[15:31] <cjwatson> it might make a difference if you're reusing an existing @home, yes
[15:33] <slangasek> bdmurray: is it worth testing that?
[15:34] <slangasek> i.e., install, then try to install again over it
[15:34] <bdmurray> I'll look for more duplicates but I don't think so
[15:34] <slangasek> you don't think it's worth testing?
[15:35] <bdmurray> slangasek: I don't think its worth testing before release
[15:35] <slangasek> ok
[15:36]  * slangasek asks on the bug then
[15:36] <slangasek> moving on
[15:36] <bdmurray> I previously mentioned bug 984276
[15:37] <bdmurray> I was surprised by the number of people who install casper
[15:37] <ogra_> yeah, but there is no easy solution apart from making it uninstallable on non live fses
[15:37] <ogra_> i mean, if users want to shoot both their feet, who are we to stop them
[15:37] <slangasek> the question is why they're doing so
[15:38] <ogra_> indeed
[15:38] <slangasek> do they have a fondness for friendly ghosts, or is some web page telling them to, or...
[15:39] <ogra_> hmm, wasnt there another bug that was actually community reported ?
[15:39] <ogra_> oh, sorry, i'm blind .. just a master
[15:40] <bdmurray> casper shows up in software center fwiw
[15:40] <slangasek> bdmurray: how should we approach this to figure out where this problem is coming from?
[15:40] <slangasek> in software-center> doh
[15:40] <slangasek> bdmurray: can you open a bug report on software-center about getting that fixed?
[15:41] <bdmurray> slangasek: sure
[15:41] <ogra_> we could possibly make casper chack something like "is a bootloader configured" and make it become a no-op then
[15:41] <ogra_> *check
[15:41] <slangasek> hmm, seems to be a general problem
[15:42] <slangasek> 'fontconfig' also shows up in casper
[15:42] <bdmurray> ogra_: yes, I think something like that may help too
[15:42] <slangasek> ogra_: do you want to take that one?
[15:42] <ogra_> i can, sure ... i guess thats supposed to happen before release ? :)
[15:43] <ogra_> since SRUing it seems to make not much sense
[15:43] <slangasek> ogra_: best-effort
[15:43] <ogra_> k
[15:43] <slangasek> it still gives benefit if we get it in SRU, and it's not the highest priority issue
[15:44] <slangasek> btw, as far as bugs go... we have http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html down about where we want it, and if we're taking any more bugs that it's critical to fix for .0, they'll probably be so critical that we don't even need to track them on there :-P
[15:44] <ogra_> yeah, with luck people with casper installed get the updated version before their system breaks :)
[15:44] <slangasek> so how should we be tracking bugs that are priorities but that aren't tied to .0?
[15:44] <slangasek> rls-p-tracking, target to precise-updates?
[15:44] <ogra_> ++
[15:44] <cjwatson> I think so
[15:44] <slangasek> bdmurray: ^^ does that sound good to you?
[15:46] <bdmurray> slangasek: both? yes that's fine
[15:46] <slangasek> yeah, both
[15:48] <slangasek> bdmurray: any other new issues popping up?
[15:48] <bdmurray> bug 984593 was just reported
[15:48] <bdmurray> I haven't looked at it thoroughly yet
[15:50] <slangasek> so far I don't see anything wubi related in the bug... and the submitter broke it out into per-issue bugs for us already?
[15:50] <slangasek> i.e., all the issues he had look like upgrade issues, not wubi issues
[15:50] <bdmurray> I think they initially installed from wubi then upgraded to precise
[15:51] <slangasek> yep... I just don't see anything (yet) to make me think he actually had wubi-specific problems
[15:51] <slangasek> bug #984932 - hah
[15:51] <slangasek> cjwatson: ^^ missing image again? :)
[15:51] <cjwatson> hmm
[15:51] <slangasek> (oem-config vs. ubiquity?)
[15:52] <bdmurray> slangasek: okay, I'll dig into it and the related bugs more
[15:52] <cjwatson> different weirdness
[15:52] <slangasek> bdmurray: cheers
[15:52] <cjwatson> oem-config-gtk depends: ubiquity-frontend-gtk so I don't think it's missing image
[15:52] <slangasek> so does everyone have enough bugs to keep themselves feeling productive between now and release?
[15:52] <cjwatson> more than
[15:52] <slangasek> does anyone want to take some bugs from cjwatson? :P
[15:53] <stgraber> I'll take bug 984932
[15:53] <slangasek> stgraber: thanks
[15:53] <cjwatson> cool, that should be fine, just generally fielding installer things that come up in QA
[15:54] <slangasek> fwiw, if anyone's not finding bugs to work on, another source for them is http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/foundations-bugs/foundations-bugs-packages-hottest-bugs.html ... don't remember if this has been passed around to the team yet
[15:54] <slangasek> great report by bdmurray that shows the hottest bugs across all the foundations packages he's tracking
[15:54] <bdmurray> I'd hope I passed it around ;-)
[15:54] <cjwatson> bug 984989 needs attention (from me)
[15:54] <slangasek> [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/foundations-bugs/foundations-bugs-packages-hottest-bugs.html
[15:55] <barry> computer-janitor makes me sad ;)
[15:55] <slangasek> but you can safely assume that any of the bugs on that graph have a significant user impact and are worth fixing
[15:55] <slangasek> heh
[15:56] <slangasek> cjwatson: rls-p-tracking?
[15:56] <ev> ooooh jquery
[15:56] <bdmurray> sssh
[15:56] <cjwatson> slangasek: why not, added
[15:56] <ev> that's going to get a shouty response
[15:56] <ev> bdmurray: ;)
[15:57] <slangasek> ev: grandfathered :P
[15:57] <ev> heh
[15:58] <slangasek> don't worry, I'll take the heat for the graph not being suitable for integrating into our webapps
[15:58] <ev> there's always d3.js...
[15:58] <bdmurray> slangasek: you'll take the heat for the heat graph? ;-)
[15:58] <slangasek> I will!
[15:59] <slangasek> bdmurray: any other bugs?
[15:59] <bdmurray> not that I know of yet
[15:59] <ev> so I've just discovered that if you download and run wubi when you have a cd in the drive, you now helpfully get the autorun menu
[15:59] <ev> this is probably my fault
[15:59] <slangasek> !!
[15:59] <slangasek> fix it fix it
[16:00] <ev> my whole day has been fixing things! Can't I just break things for a little while?
[16:00] <slangasek> no, break things on your own time
[16:00] <ev> lol, damn
[16:00] <slangasek> preferably in some other OS ;)
[16:00] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:00] <slangasek> anything else?
[16:00] <cjwatson> who's going to the release sprint from our team?
[16:00] <ev> would still appreciate your collective feedback on that email I sent
[16:01] <cjwatson> I believe I am
[16:01] <ev> o/
[16:01] <slangasek> infinity is
[16:01] <cjwatson> hm, looks like I need to ask about accom
[16:01] <ev> who's going to be here not from our team? Rick and Kate?
[16:02] <ev> and presumably andy for comedy value
[16:02] <slangasek> heh
[16:02] <cjwatson> Pete too
[16:02] <ev> awesome!
[16:03] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:03] <ev> cjwatson: skaet and I are going to block out some time at the release sprint to discuss the crashdb website design. Care to join us?
[16:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Apr 18 16:03:57 2012 UTC.
[16:03] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-18-15.06.moin.txt
[16:03] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-18-15.06.html
[16:04] <ogra_> thanks slangasek
[16:04] <slangasek> thanks ;)
[16:04] <cjwatson> ev: sure
[16:04] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:04] <ev> cool
[16:04] <ev> thanks!
[16:05] <barry> thanks!
[17:01] <bdmurray> anyone here for the bug squad meeting?
[19:58]  * phillw shushhh... don't tell anyone I'm here :P
[19:58] <MrChrisDruif> I'll won't phillw
[20:02] <gilir> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting
[20:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Apr 18 20:02:59 2012 UTC.  The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:03] <gilir> hi :)
[20:03] <kanliot> o/
[20:03] <phillw> o/
[20:03] <MrChrisDruif> \o
[20:03] <Yorvyk> o/
[20:03] <gilir> Agenda is still at the same place : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[20:05] <gilir> #topic gilir - Review ACTIONS from the last meeting
[20:05]  * phillw phew... nothing I have not done
[20:06] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, any progress for offline documentation ?
[20:06] <MrChrisDruif> Nope, sorry about that
[20:06] <MrChrisDruif> Week was crazy busy
[20:07] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: plenty of time, not needed for about 3 months for 12.10 :)
[20:07] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, no problem, I think it's already too late for 12.04
[20:08] <gilir> let's add it to the TODO list for 12?10 :)
[20:08] <MrChrisDruif> True, but still it's better to get it done so we only need to add it! ^_^
[20:08] <gilir> ok, let's move to the next topic
[20:09] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: let's see what UDS-Q decide on the matter
[20:09] <PereZ> hi =P
[20:09] <gilir> #topic kanliot - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team
[20:09] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha PereZ
[20:09] <kanliot> ok phil sent me an email i'm working from that
[20:09] <kanliot> https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-qa/msg00598.html
[20:09] <kanliot> a
[20:09] <kanliot> 1.thanks to the devs, and the hard-working release team
[20:09] <kanliot> 2. we need more testers: please read
[20:09] <kanliot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[20:09] <kanliot> 3.there's a bug with 32 bit apt.  So people with 32 bit applications installed will have problems with those applications when they upgrade.  see
[20:09] <kanliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/850264
[20:09] <kanliot> any questions before i move on?
[20:10] <kanliot> k
[20:10] <kanliot> 4.
[20:10] <kanliot> the release of 12.04 will have  a bug
[20:10] <kanliot> unfixed bug
[20:11] <kanliot> full disk encryption will not be working, and you can install with full disk encryption selected
[20:11] <kanliot> so installs in that case will not work
[20:11] <kanliot> I'm looking for help. i donno how to document this
[20:11] <kanliot> since fixing it is not possible
[20:11] <kanliot> any comments phillw?
[20:11] <gilir> it's affecting only us or all ISO ?
[20:11] <kanliot> good question
[20:11] <kanliot> i donno
[20:12] <kanliot> but it's real enough
[20:12] <phillw> kanliot: there is work-around
[20:12] <MrChrisDruif> gilir; all releases
[20:12] <MrChrisDruif> It's just not affecting a lot of people due to how the bug happens
[20:12] <phillw> gilir: it is a kernel bug, for limited number of set ups. but is expected to affect everyone
[20:12] <gilir> so it shoudl be documented in the Ubuntu release notes
[20:13] <phillw> gilir: do you now have my emails go to spam :(
[20:13] <phillw> I did explain it earlier as to what was decided.
[20:13] <gilir> adding a note on the release notes sounds enough for me, since we can't fix it, we can't do better IMO
[20:14] <MrChrisDruif> Shouldn't it be on the "main" Ubuntu release notes if it affects us all?
[20:14] <phillw> gilir: no, they do not see it as warranted at this point, just that we have the work-around documented, in case it goes viral.
[20:14] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, yes, it should be
[20:15] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: it affects, so far, one person. It is a confirmed bug, but only only on that set up. They are wathing for dupes arriving.
[20:15] <phillw> *watching*
[20:16] <gilir> ok, so if it's not mentionned on the main releases notes, we can still add it on ours if we think it's necessary
[20:16] <MrChrisDruif> So for now only document the work-around and if it's confirmed it'll be put on Ubuntu's release notes?
[20:16] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[20:16] <gilir> we are quite free for our release notes :)
[20:17] <gilir> kanliot, phillw, anything else ?
[20:17] <kanliot> no
[20:17] <phillw> gilir: ATM, just register it at FAQ/WorkAround
[20:18] <phillw> we can always move it higher if it does become a major problem for the entire *butnu release.
[20:18] <gilir> ok thanks kanliot and phillw :)
[20:18] <kanliot> wwia
[20:18] <kanliot> wait
[20:19] <kanliot> 1 more thing
[20:19] <phillw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/850264
[20:19] <kanliot> uh
[20:19] <kanliot> nvidia drivers are really bad
[20:19] <kanliot> phillw how bad are they?
[20:19] <kanliot> apparently tons of crashes
[20:19] <kanliot> anyhow thats all i have
[20:19] <phillw> I am on the previous bug, that messes up any upgrade from 11.10--> 12.04?
[20:20] <kanliot> and it's never clear that it's not the applications that are crashing
[20:20] <kanliot> ok you go first
[20:20] <gilir> phillw told us that it should be fixed soon
[20:21] <gilir> well, already fixed, just need to be uploaded,  anything to add ?
[20:21] <phillw> The fix for that is out and about, but it does REALLY need testing, we are running out of time for the RC's
[20:21] <phillw> gilir: , yes - it needs testing & proven as a fix.
[20:22] <gilir> phillw, ping me when it's in, and if you need test
[20:22] <phillw> it will be in the next respin
[20:22] <gilir> ok
[20:22] <phillw> which *should* be there now.
[20:23] <gilir> anything to add ?
[20:24] <phillw> kanliot: anything else to add? this time next week, it is D-Day+1 :)
[20:24] <kanliot> no thanks
[20:24] <kanliot> you should be studying phillw
[20:24] <kanliot> do your homework
[20:25] <gilir> ok, let's move to the next topic
[20:25] <phillw> gilir: I'll keep people updated for anything important.
[20:25] <gilir> #topic kanliot - Weekly report - Update from Comms team
[20:25] <kanliot> Mario Behling quickly replied to my email, he says the osuosl people will put up a test site soon.  (this allows us to test the new lubuntu.net website)
[20:25] <kanliot> end of report
[20:26] <gilir> thanks kanliot
[20:27] <gilir> #topic gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams
[20:28] <gilir> nothing on 12.04 this week, it shoudl be ready for our part :)
[20:29] <gilir> I started the preparation for 12.10
[20:29] <gilir> nothing spectacular so far
[20:29] <gilir> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lubuntu-q-work-items
[20:30] <gilir> if you want to look at it ^^
[20:30] <gilir> you can also add comments on the whiteboard section
[20:31] <gilir> the goal is to prepare all importants items to discuss for UDS
[20:31] <MrChrisDruif> Good to hear gilir
[20:31] <gilir> any questions ?
[20:32] <gilir> of course, it's still not compete, I have still some suprises hidden ;)
[20:32] <phillw> when do we start the bi-anual discussions about what goes in to the next release?
[20:33] <gilir> phillw, you can start it on the blueprint
[20:33] <phillw> *bi-annual*\
[20:33] <gilir> ideally, I would like to start it right after the 12.04 release, and to end it just after UDS
[20:34] <phillw> gilir: less of the 'me' bit.... I'm holding back a queue :P
[20:34] <gilir> phillw, feel free to put them on the whiteboard, to be sure we don't forget them
[20:34] <phillw> that is a massive +1 from me :)
[20:35] <phillw> not from me, from others!
[20:35] <gilir> just, if you want to start discussion for application by default, do it with some arguments :)
[20:37] <gilir> any others questions ?
[20:37] <gilir> I forgot, you can subscribe to the blueprint, to be aware of any modifications
[20:38] <gilir> #topic MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team
[20:38] <phillw> gilir: are you sure you want to let the people on the facebook page know of this?
[20:39] <MrChrisDruif> Ali started communicating again and in turn added a section about what differs us from Ubuntu and what we have in common. I can't remember anything else, so nothing to report
[20:39] <gilir> phillw, it's not a secret, but keep the warning I made about applications by default
[20:40] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; why not? The more people contributing the better right?
[20:41] <gilir> thanks MrChrisDruif
[20:42] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: gilir I was being light hearted.... the fb people would love to contribute..... sorry if you took it the wrong way :-(
[20:42] <gilir> #topic Any Other Business
[20:43] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, add the Actions from Meetings to the Agenda gilir
[20:43] <gilir> next meeting is the last meeting before the release
[20:43] <MrChrisDruif> Already?
[20:43] <MrChrisDruif> =(
[20:43] <phillw> gilir: it is? Release is tuesday?\
[20:44] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; Thursday!
[20:44] <gilir> phillw, usually it's on thurday, no ?
[20:44] <phillw> Or, so I was told
[20:44] <gilir> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[20:44] <ScottK> It's always Thursday unless it's 10-10-10.
[20:45] <phillw> This will be news to the Canonical team, then :P
[20:45] <phillw> RC tomorrow, release tuesday.
[20:45] <stgraber> RC tomorrow, release Thursday
[20:45] <ScottK> See the spate of late FFes from Canonical development projects over multiple releases.  The schedule is always a surprise to them.
[20:46] <gilir> phillw, you see, you have 2 days more, let's relax :)
[20:47] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe
[20:47] <gilir> anyway, for the next meeting, let's make sure all it's ready for the release
[20:47] <gilir> documentation, release notes, news article, coffee ... :)
[20:49] <gilir> anything to add before the end of the meeting ?
[20:49] <MrChrisDruif> gilir; you got my note?
[20:49] <phillw> ScottK: when balloons announced release was on tuesday, we just accepted it as so :P
[20:49] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, about what ?
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, add the Actions from Meetings to the Agenda gilir
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> That one
[20:50] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, what do you mean by this ?
[20:51] <MrChrisDruif> Add the Actions from previous meeting(s) to the Agenda
[20:51] <MrChrisDruif> That way it's more easy to see what actions should be done
[20:52] <gilir> ah ok, I'll do it next time we have actions in the meeting
[20:52] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks ^_^
[20:52] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: make gilir to #action it :P
[20:53] <MrChrisDruif> #action gilir Add the Actions from meetings to the Agenda
[20:53] <meetingology> ACTION: gilir Add the Actions from meetings to the Agenda
[20:53] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; like so?
[20:53] <phillw> indeed :)
[20:54] <gilir> unless I end the meeting before this :)
[20:54] <gilir> #endmeeting
[20:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Apr 18 20:54:37 2012 UTC.
[20:54] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-18-20.02.moin.txt
[20:54] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-18-20.02.html
[20:54] <MrChrisDruif> You'd have to do more then just cut the meeting log gilir ;-)
[20:54] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, thanks again for chairing
[20:55] <phillw> gilir: ditto
[23:02] <icallitvera> is this the lubutnu meeting chat?
[23:03] <MrChrisDruif> icallitvera; this is the proper channel, however the meeting was a few hours ago
[23:03] <MrChrisDruif> 3 hours to be precise
[23:03] <icallitvera> shoot
[23:03] <icallitvera> ha precise
[23:03] <MrChrisDruif> icallitvera; but the team is always "available" on #lubuntu-offtopic
[23:04] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, pun intended ;-)
[23:05] <MrChrisDruif> icallitvera; /join #lubuntu-offtopic
[23:05] <icallitvera> k thanks