[01:31] <Salt> just stumbled upon U+1, was wondering if things are on track for the 26th?
[02:46] <cprofitt> is the iso.qa.ubuntu.com server down for others?
[02:48] <kanliot> yes
[02:49] <cprofitt> I was just about to submit three test results... grr
[03:03] <cprofitt> kanliot: its back up
[11:40] <astraljava> Hey, any ETA for the RC opening on iso.qa.ubuntu.com?
[12:04] <jibel> astraljava, tomorrow https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001083.html
[12:06] <astraljava> jibel: Thanks, I believe I have accidentally deleted that mail.
[12:10] <jibel> np
[12:33] <stgraber> jibel: any interesting installation bug that's not already on rls-p-tracking? (checking before I start looking at lower priority bugs)
[12:35] <jibel> stgraber, nope, only boring bugs. I'm confirming the missing oem-config-slideshow ATM. you'll have a new one to work on soonish :)
[12:36] <stgraber> jibel: are you testing that on a media that has matching oem-config and ubiquity versions?
[12:37] <stgraber> jibel: we tracked down your failed OEM install to /pool being out of sync with the livefs, expecting a respin to it soon
[12:37] <stgraber> oh, it already did apparently, /me syncs
[12:38] <stgraber> ah, but ubiquity's version is still wrong...
[12:38] <stgraber> so no point testing 20120418.1 then
[12:39] <jibel> stgraber, I tried alternate
[12:40] <jibel> stgraber, it's only wrong on i386, 64bit is ok
[12:41] <jibel> stgraber, alternate is not affected by the non-matching version of ubiquity
[12:42] <stgraber> jibel: right
[12:43] <stgraber> jibel: and you reproduced the missing slideshow using alternate?
[12:45] <stgraber> jibel: ah, I see, bug 984829. That's fixed in ubiquity trunk though
[12:46] <jibel> stgraber, is it something allowed to have different version of the same package on the same buildnumber of an image but on different arch ?
[12:46] <jibel> eg ubiqtuiy 2.10.12 on 20120418.1 i386 and 2.10.13 on 20120418.1 amd64
[12:47] <stgraber> it happens when the livefs fails to build, the cd build then takes an older livefs
[12:47] <stgraber> so 20120418.1 i386 has 20120418's livefs
[12:48] <stgraber> 20120418.2 is building now which should build fine and be consistent on all architectures
[12:48] <jibel> ah ok. maybe that's something we could check automatically and raise an 'inconsistent image' failure
[12:48] <stgraber> we get e-mail notifications for livefs build failures
[12:49] <stgraber> but yeah, might be worth exporting that flag to cdimage.u.c
[13:22] <alourie> balloons: hey Nick
[13:22] <balloons> alourie, good to see you!
[13:22] <balloons> how's everything?
[14:39] <stgraber> jibel: Steve asked me to help doko with bug 983981 but he's apparently waiting for some answers from you :)
[14:45] <astraljava> balloons: Weren't we supposed to have a meeting already?
[14:47] <jibel> stgraber, yes, sorry, -ENOTENOUGHARMS
[14:56] <balloons> astraljava, i didn't get anything on my popup
[14:56] <balloons> sigh..
[14:56] <balloons> I agree, we were
[15:00] <phillw> balloons: I'd have started it, but was feeding time for me :/
[15:01] <balloons> no worries.. I feel silly.. everyone is really busy this week
[15:01] <balloons> lots of testing going on.. and me too.. time is just flying by this morning
[15:01] <balloons> #startmeeting ubuntu qa community meeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Apr 18 15:01:50 2012 UTC.  The chair is balloons. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:01] <phillw> indeed it is
[15:02] <balloons> ok, so I'll try and go quick, but there's stuff to chat about
[15:03] <balloons> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[15:04] <balloons> we don't have any :-) awesome
[15:04] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Updates
[15:04] <balloons> jibel, hggdh care to enlight us a bit?
[15:06] <balloons> guess there not around.
[15:06] <balloons> well, lots of testing is going on this week
[15:06] <balloons> and if anyone hasn't yet seen, we've put out a call to the greater community to help strengthen the iso testing
[15:06] <balloons> http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/04/would-you-adopt-iso.html
[15:07] <balloons> so far the feedback has been large, lots of first timers experiencing iso testing. We have good coverage on the ubuntu iso's now, and for the flavor teams, I have directed people at testing several of those images as well
[15:07] <balloons> be forewarned if you meet or find some new folks testing your images :-)
[15:08] <phillw> balloons: we've already got a new one :)
[15:08] <balloons> Questions/comments?
[15:08] <roignac> balloons: I suppose, we should concentrate to find people who would test lubuntu and other less popular distros
[15:08] <roignac> on less popular configurations such as arm or powerpc
[15:09] <phillw> roignac: the lubuntu ppc testers have been trying to help out on other flavours.
[15:09] <balloons> roignac, we actually had someone volunteer to help who had a omap 3430 chip.. I was pleasantly surprised
[15:09] <phillw> we have no arm
[15:09] <roignac> whoa, that is great
[15:09] <balloons> yea.. pretty sweet I thought
[15:09] <balloons> he had quite a setup, so I had him go at it
[15:10] <roignac> that is a pity, that ubuntu can't run on raspberry pi, as it gained a lot of attention recently =(
[15:11] <balloons> yea.. the older versions can.. for instance natty
[15:11] <balloons> arm is changing fast
[15:11] <balloons> it's coming of age if you will
[15:11] <roignac> anyway, that post is great, attention to iso tests is important
[15:11] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavor Updates
[15:11] <balloons> phillw, wanna speak to lubuntu real quick?
[15:12] <phillw> yeah, I've tried pinging kanliot
[15:12] <phillw> There is one possible bug that applies to very few set-ups for equipment, that will not be fixed for 12.04
[15:12] <phillw> the -release tema mentioned it 'may' affect all flavours as it is kernel bug.
[15:13] <phillw> bug 966403
[15:13] <phillw> There is a work-around
[15:14] <phillw> other than that, we're looking good-to-go.
[15:14] <balloons> awesome :-)
[15:14] <balloons> interesting bug
[15:15] <balloons> anyone from xubuntu want to weigh in?
[15:15] <astraljava> o/
[15:16] <astraljava> but not much to say. I have been very busy lately with real-life issues (I actually kinda hate that expression, but meh...), but I haven't heard of/seen any issues.
[15:16] <astraljava> Xubuntu does have an alternate install image, though, so it's likely to hit the same bug.
[15:17] <astraljava> But I guess we'll hear more as the RC ISO testing begins.
[15:17] <astraljava> ..
[15:17] <balloons> I'm surprised it's limited to lubuntu, but I haven't heard of it happening
[15:17] <balloons> astraljava, i've had 4 people signup to test xubuntu iso's, fyi
[15:17] <phillw> it appears to be very narrow set of kit.
[15:17] <balloons> so hopefully we see some good results from them
[15:18] <astraljava> balloons: What does that mean, where did they sign up?
[15:18] <balloons> how about ubuntu studio astraljava ?
[15:18] <balloons> astraljava, they answered the call to 'adopt' an iso...
[15:18] <balloons> :-)
[15:18] <balloons> and I sent them to task on some xubuntu isos
[15:18] <astraljava> Ahh... gotcha, yeah didn't get a chance to look into that at all, yet.
[15:18] <balloons> basically the desktop and alt images for 386 and amd64
[15:18] <astraljava> I have some pending members for the Testers team.
[15:19] <astraljava> I'll go through those tonight.
[15:19] <balloons> when this is all done, I will followup with the flavors teams on who tested and direct them your way
[15:19] <balloons> but you will also see the results if they do contribute
[15:19] <astraljava> But anyway, for Studio, we just recently got the mixer changes through, so testing those initially proved successful.
[15:19] <astraljava> Otherwise the same as Xubuntu, except no alternate image, so won't hit that bug.
[15:19] <astraljava> ..
[15:19] <balloons> thanks astraljava
[15:20] <balloons> anyone about for kubuntu?
[15:20] <balloons> Riddell?
[15:21] <balloons> mmkkk.. edubuntu?
[15:21] <balloons> we had some volunteers adopt those edubuntu and kubuntu iso's as well.. hopefully they follow thru and they get extra attention from outside there core QA teams
[15:22] <balloons> [TOPIC] Other topics
[15:22] <balloons> finally, anything else anyone has to discuss? The RC will be dropping this thursday, release next week and in 3 weeks we'll be at UDS again.. Time is a tickin' past!
[15:23] <Effenberg0x0> o/ Can I make a request?
[15:23] <balloons> Effenberg0x0, floor is yours
[15:23] <Effenberg0x0> Thanks balloons
[15:23] <Effenberg0x0> Ok, on Apr. 14, 15, 16, 17 and today we started seeing an unusual number of reports of Compiz/Unity/Name it VGA (GL-relted) problems. People affected by it simply can't use Unity (or anything GL) after upgrades. Suddenly we had 100 posts about it and even had to join threads to avoid mess. Yesterday, NVidia admited that it's latest driver (295.40) was broken can cause problems. For some, however, this is not the only reason. So
[15:23] <Effenberg0x0> me people have downgraded to previous NVidia versions and it hasn't solved the problem for them. Looking at the relevant / related updates, we had Nux, Mesa, Unity, other updates in the mentioned period. Bug reports and triaging are focusing on blaiming NVidia and waiting for an update from them. But some are asking: What if it's *not* just NVidia driver? So, this is something I am particularly concerned right now. See #982485
[15:23] <Effenberg0x0> and dups (#981737, #982762, #983080, #983171, #984353, probably more).
[15:24] <Effenberg0x0> So, the only way to test it is to use NVidia hardware on a fresh / upgraded install and test: Current NVidia drivers and Previous NVidia drivers. And see if GL stuff works on your hardware.
[15:24] <Effenberg0x0> If you could ask your teams to test this, I think it's relevant at this point.
[15:25] <balloons> Effenberg0x0, grabbing the bug
[15:26] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/982485
[15:26] <balloons> ok, so I have the old nvidia driver, and haven't upgraded it all cycle Effenberg0x0
[15:26] <balloons> and my system doesn't have any issues
[15:26] <balloons> i have a 7300
[15:27] <Effenberg0x0> NVidia hasn't released much info and the list of affected hardware. This is a problem for us
[15:27] <balloons> I'm on 295.33
[15:27] <Effenberg0x0> They just mention (some models in the 7 and 8 series)
[15:28] <balloons> How did the bug reporter get the newer driver?
[15:28] <Effenberg0x0> If more people could test and post results to these bug reports, it could really help us understand whats going on, affected models, etc
[15:28] <Effenberg0x0> And also if it's only NVidia or seomthing else
[15:28] <Effenberg0x0> (That's it, sorry for the long text)
[15:28] <balloons> anyways.. I'll keep it in mind and contribute my result :-)
[15:28] <balloons> thanks Effenberg0x0
[15:29] <balloons> hopefully it is just a driver thing, but you are right.. it's easy to blame
[15:29] <balloons> anyone else?
[15:29] <Effenberg0x0> balloons, new driver 295.40 is on repos since 14th
[15:29] <phillw> hmmm... 3 weeks... my final exams :/ - have fun!
[15:30]  * balloons wonders why his system hasn't updated
[15:30] <phillw> I'd like to ask for a peer review of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/TheStages
[15:31] <balloons> phillw, I spot some grammar mistakes -- shall I simply edit?
[15:31] <phillw> It was 'thrown' together in a hurry as part of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing for the late newcommers.
[15:31] <phillw> balloons: by all means! It has not got as far as grammar checking yet :)
[15:31] <balloons> haha
[15:31] <balloons> ok, I will try and give 5 mins to it
[15:31] <phillw> now I know where they came from :D
[15:32] <balloons> anything else phillw?
[15:32] <phillw> nope, thansk
[15:32] <balloons> k, anyone else?
[15:32] <phillw> *thanks
[15:32] <balloons> if not, good luck and happy testing to everyone.. This is going to be quite a week..
[15:32] <balloons> quickly, do we feel like we want to meet next weds?
[15:33] <balloons> I'll post to the ml, but I'm thinking we'll likely want to skip, being so hammered by getting the release out
[15:33] <phillw> I think it would be good, to cover any zero day bugs
[15:33] <astraljava> Yeah, I think so too. Good to keep track of how testing goes with other flavors etc.
[15:34] <balloons> yes, the downside of not meeting it potentially not being able to help each other
[15:34] <roignac> balloons: yes, in case of any major bugs
[15:34] <balloons> lol.. ok ;-) Idea squashed
[15:34] <astraljava> Thanks. :)
[15:34] <balloons> so that's it then.. I do apologize -- feel free to beat me up with a ping if you arrive @ the meeting on time and I'm seemingly absent
[15:34] <balloons> I don't mind
[15:35] <balloons> I need it beat into my head the new time
[15:35] <balloons> when your working and get into the zone it's easy to miss..
[15:35] <phillw> balloons: this time suits me better :D
[15:35] <balloons> I'm around, there's no reason for me to miss and not start
[15:35] <balloons> that's all folks!
[15:35] <balloons> #endmeeting
[15:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Apr 18 15:35:40 2012 UTC.
[15:35] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-testing/2012/ubuntu-testing.2012-04-18-15.01.moin.txt
[15:35] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-testing/2012/ubuntu-testing.2012-04-18-15.01.html
[15:35] <Effenberg0x0> Thank you everyone
[15:36] <phillw> balloons: I'll ping you before I go for my evening meal next week :D
[15:36] <balloons> phillw, that would be awesome :-)
[15:37] <astraljava> Thanks Nick, all!
[15:37] <phillw> np
[15:38] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  woowo
[15:38] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  its long time
[15:38] <Effenberg0x0> hey Raju, indeed. All fine?
[15:39] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  yeah , after two changing two SMPS
[15:39] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  how are you ?
[15:40] <Effenberg0x0> Everything fine, work's a little harder than usual latety, but it's just a phase
[15:40] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  you usually work with out sleep  , now more than that means how i have to predict i am not getting :
[15:41] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  :p
[15:41] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  few days to go for release
[15:41] <Effenberg0x0> Gotta pay the bills lol. and t his Ubuntu thing takes too much time
[15:42] <Effenberg0x0> Yeah... Forums will be hell
[15:42] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  i am getting back my laptop in a few weeks
[15:42] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  yeah already started man
[15:42] <raju> but more we can expect after release
[15:43] <phillw> raju: were you there when grub2 launched?
[15:43] <Effenberg0x0> I know. Is it OK to answer threads while drunk? I'm thinking of it as a good strategy
[15:43] <raju> phillw:   i think no
[15:44] <phillw> raju: oh, you missed out on so much *fun* :P
[15:44] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  i dont know,  because i dont drink :p
[15:44] <raju> phillw:  in forums ?
[15:44] <phillw> was just like trying to herd cats.... everyone reporting the same problems....
[15:45] <raju> phillw:  lol that could make us some better , if we solve one then we can give it others as reference
[15:46] <Effenberg0x0> raju, most users think their problems is always unique
[15:46] <phillw> raju: yeah, that's where the count for http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=824544 camer from :)
[15:47] <phillw> raju: the answer was there, they just needed pointing to it :)
[15:47] <phillw> the more difficult ones, were when they had decided to hack the code!
[15:48] <phillw> oh, and it didn't work with RAID arrays :)
[15:48] <raju> phillw:  lol yeah more counts
[15:48] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  but small thing can echo big difference
[15:48] <phillw> I think it was over 500 in my two 18 hour stints I did on the forum.
[15:49] <phillw> (each stint)
[15:49] <Effenberg0x0> wow, that's huge Philw :)
[15:49] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  what  you got today ? ?
[15:49] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  lightDm issue over  ?
[15:50] <phillw> lightDM is behaving.
[15:50] <Effenberg0x0> Raju, I think so. I'm concerned about this NVidia thing. :\
[15:50] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  aaha!
[15:50] <phillw> we at lubuntu are grateful of xubuntu taking it last release.
[15:50] <Effenberg0x0> 100 posts in a couple hours ... it can go bananas in release
[15:51] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  100 HUGE
[15:51] <phillw> Effenberg0x0: I've nothing on lubuntu, sorry I cannot give you any help from our team.
[15:51] <Effenberg0x0> I understand Philw, it's very Unity/COmpiz related as it seems
[15:52] <raju> Effenberg0x0: phillw  VGA stuff ?
[15:53] <phillw> raju: out testers range from 128MB RAM system to quad-core 4MB+ kit, in all sorts of variants.
[15:53] <Effenberg0x0> Yep... people say they update normally, mainly since the 14th to today. And they loose the desktop. NVidia admited latest driver is broken, but only for some hardware models. Reports mention other models.
[15:54] <phillw> Effenberg0x0: is that update 11.10, or upgrade 11.10 --> 12.04?
[15:55] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  what about the old drivers which are not broken , we could use them as alternatives up to they get fixed ,hope its possible . is it ?
[15:55] <Effenberg0x0> phillw, 11.0->12.04, 12.04->12,04 and even some fresh installs were reported.
[15:56] <Effenberg0x0> Raju: Yes, considering 295.40 is the only cause, Ibelieve they will remove it from repos.
[15:56] <raju> Effenberg0x0:  yeah !
[15:57] <phillw> there was some insanity in apt when dealing with computers that have both 64bit & 32bit software installed. The release for that is going out as we speak. Are you sure it is not related to that as well?
[15:58] <phillw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/850264
[15:58] <phillw> such a thing can cause complete and utter chaos!
[15:58] <Effenberg0x0> philw, not sure of anything. Most reporters are ordinary users. Like "Ubuntu is broken" reports. It takes a while to get information and diagnosis from each.
[15:59] <phillw> possibly not all the bugs are 100% Nvid?
[15:59] <phillw> Effenberg0x0: tell me about it!
[15:59] <Effenberg0x0> phillw, I want to be wrong about it. People are betting on nvidia as the single cause and I think they're wrong.
[15:59] <raju> phillw:  Effenberg0x0  cya people , marathon in the stomach
[16:00] <Effenberg0x0> BYe Raju, cya later
[16:00] <phillw> the new bug-reporter for 12.04 will hopefully reduce dupes as it will check itself. cyas raju
[16:01] <Effenberg0x0> philw, true, counting on it too
[16:01] <Effenberg0x0> philw, gotta go, eat something :) Talk to you later
[16:01] <phillw> tc... nearly bed time here!
[16:02] <Effenberg0x0> lunch here lol
[16:05] <jibel> stgraber, I confirm the slideshow was missing in oneiric in oem mode on alternate.
[16:06] <stgraber> jibel: cool, so no weird magic going on, just a specific path not many use apparently ;)
[16:06] <jibel> stgraber, I do, that is what worries me :)
[17:16] <PaoloRotolo> Salve
[18:58] <stgraber> jibel: can you reliably reproduce bug 984932?
[18:58] <stgraber> jibel: I just tried with OEM with the latest Ubuntu daily and couldn't reproduce
[20:28] <jibel> stgraber, not reliably. set it to incomplete and let it expire unless I find a reliable way to reproduce.
[20:30] <stgraber> jibel: good to know, still wondering what happened exactly in your case... my guess is that the panel started before X finished intializing, causing only the indicators to get rendered
[20:31] <stgraber> jibel: if you reproduce this at some point, can you run "xwininfo" on the panel and get me its dimensions?