[06:55] mornign all [06:56] Morning MooDoo === rhunwicks__ is now known as rhunwicks [07:08] morning [07:08] morning popey [07:45] http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox [08:06] good morning everyone. [08:06] morning brobostigon [08:06] morning MooDoo [08:11] morning [08:22] Morning all! :) [08:23] morning [08:33] cheese does not work at all on precise yet :-\ [08:36] does work here, sure its not your webcam? [08:36] crashed and bug reporter said it was a known bug, but didn't tell me the bug num [08:37] just doing the latset dist-upgrade [08:37] working fine here also [08:38] works via gstreamer-properties [08:38] nope, still segfaults [08:45] Morningall [08:45] morning diplo [08:53] i guess i'm the only one who gets issues with chromium often showing a blank white page when maximised [09:01] I've 3 windows open all mazimised [09:01] all working [09:01] maximised [09:01] oimon: what else are you doing ? [09:21] popey: you know that square shadow thing you had in thunderbird the other day which should have been a middle click scrolly thing? I have that now. [09:24] I dropped one of my earphones in me cuppa :( [09:25] oimon: Bug 610600 perhaps [09:25] Launchpad bug 610600 in OEM Priority Project "Serious video performance regression in cheese (2.28.1->2.30.1)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610600 [09:25] Laney: I've done that before [09:26] Laney: great start to the day you ruined your cuppa! [09:26] oimon: actually probably not, just someone commented on that recently [09:26] 09:36:51 < oimon> crashed and bug reporter said it was a known bug, but didn't tell me the bug num [09:26] actually this was yesterday - I left them overnight to dry out but the sound is weird out of that ear now :( [09:26] should open the bug in your default browser [09:27] Laney: try dipping the ear in tea to see if that helps [09:27] mmm wax [09:36] Hazar! [09:38] I'm sure I just saw you on another network :) [09:40] Lies [09:40] Different machine as well :| [09:40] popey, hmm it didn't do that. i'm gonna reboot and try cheese again cos i've now updated nvidia driver and kernel [09:40] I need to work out connecting to more than one network with the same irssi instance [09:41] bigcalm: /connect irc.foobar.com [09:41] I've just done that myself, was quicker to manually edit it config file [09:41] popey: won't that drop this connection? [09:41] then in the status window you can ctrl+x to switch between the networks [09:41] no [09:41] Okie [09:41] /server will ☺ [09:41] Well, it's the config file I'll need to edit as irssi is just a proxy for me [09:42] oh [09:42] If I connect in irssi and save the config, will I auto connect the next time irssi is run? [09:43] how do you configure irssi as a proxy? [09:43] http://irssi.org/documentation/proxy [09:43] ta [09:43] :) [09:43] you can do /join -network #channel too [09:44] cheese works now :D [09:45] after reboot [09:45] and dist-upgrade [09:45] fancy that [09:47] cheese binary didn't change... [09:47] i only installed it yesterday [09:48] * oimon goes looking for a gimp PPA for single window mode [09:49] oimon: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/08/gimp-2-7-3-released-working-single-window-mode-layer-groups/ [09:50] ooh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGoU90bdUC8 [09:55] popey: almost makes me want to use mythtv again [09:55] MooDoo, get a 404 on 12.04 with that ppa [09:57] I was about to update 10.04 on my revo. Then I realised that I'd be wiping it come the 27th [09:57] Silly bigcalm [09:57] oimon: pagh! [09:57] pah! [09:58] oimon: you can see what releases a ppa supports before you add it [09:58] https://launchpad.net/~matthaeus123/+archive/mrw-gimp-svn [09:58] no precise packages in there [09:58] yeah, found another ppa now [09:58] popey: do you have skype make noises when people go on/offline? [09:59] no, i disable it [09:59] Ah [09:59] its incredibly annoying [09:59] i dont care who/when people are online/offline [09:59] I was going to comment that it appears to interrupt spotify's playback [09:59] i think i figured out how to save spotify tracks to disk as ogg/mp3/wav files [10:00] :-O [10:00] Morning davmor2* [10:00] wondering if that's against the AUP [10:00] * popey checks [10:00] morning bigcalm and all [10:00] morning davmor2 [10:01] czajkowski: proddity proddity poddity prod [10:01] saw a nice gimp tutorial the other day from Mairin (fedora lady) [10:01] herro herro herro [10:04] Goodish morning czajkowski [10:08] popey, that torc software looked really good === swilson_ is now known as swilson [10:09] oimon: you're not making the gimp sound any family friendlier by adding fedora lady to that sentence :D [10:10] That feels better. Having somewhere to let off steam [10:12] davmor2: yeah but mairin rocks :D [10:12] got the single window mode davmor2 but struggling to move the toolbox to the left side [10:14] MooDoo: She does, and her writing on blogs etc is really well done too [10:14] davmor2: i can't really knock fedora people :D [10:15] except that miss moneypenny lady on superscrimpers programme [10:16] MooDoo: mind you mhall119 is getting a lot better too which is good to see http://mhall119.com/2012/04/ubuntu-12-04-is-for-app-developers/ [10:17] :) [10:22] MooDoo: I have couple of friend now who are redhat employees we all josh that the others picked the wrong os but that is about as far as the discussion on oses go the rest is talking about stuff in the linux system [10:22] http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2012/04/13/gimp-2-7-for-photoshop-expatriates/ [10:22] that's the vid i was referring to [10:22] don't have sound on my pc atm but can't work out how the tool selection gets to be on the left [10:23] davmor2: cool [10:24] aha, managed to fudge it by unselecting and reselecting single win mode [10:30] suggesting gimp as a replacement for photoshop is getting embarrasing [10:30] +1 ali1234 [10:31] depends what you are doing [10:31] it's a free replacement for my needs [10:32] oimon: content aware fill ;) [10:32] really does, i find gimp works well for me, its a good replacement for photoshop in my circumstances [10:32] s/replacement/alternative [10:32] MooDoo, gimp has done that for yeeeears, way before photoshop :) [10:32] the single window setup need a bit more work , but managed to fudge it a bit [10:33] yeah, the place where gimp can't match photoshop is in layer grouping and adjustment layers [10:33] and vector layers [10:33] all of which can be combined [10:33] gimp doesn't even have groups and vectors and i don't remember seeing adjustment layers [10:34] basically gimp serves as a replacement for paintshop pro - or it would if the UI wasn't so spectacularly bad [10:35] well it's free, so you can't really complain [10:35] yes i can [10:35] that is no excuse [10:35] and besides, i'm only complaining about people who claim gimp can replace photoshop [10:35] if you don't like it, move to windows and buy photoshop, or contribute to the code to make it better :p [10:35] ali1234: i know i'm teasing [10:36] yeah guess which one i did [10:36] isn't pinta a replacement for psp? [10:36] or paint.net [10:36] wine? [10:38] paint.net is a replacement for mspaint :) [10:38] ali1234: MooDoo: The gimp UI is not BAD, it is diffrent to photoshop, if you are a photoshop user expect to invest a significant amout of time in learning how to use a new tool. Equivalent to the amoubnt of time spent learning how to use photoshop. [10:38] psp is roughly as good as gimp now, it's change a lot [10:39] ali1234: gimp was only ever meant to be a paintshop pro look-a-like when it was created photoshop was not the one to beat :D [10:39] it has simple layers filter etc [10:39] xplora1a: yup your right, and funnily enough i'm doing a talk about gimp to our local camera club :) [10:39] how things change [10:39] the gimp UI *is* bad [10:39] it's especially bad when used with unity [10:39] single window mode should help then... when it's released [10:40] 2.8 RC1 is out [10:41] http://ubuntuone.com/2kDmYwKd4DibDtZeBORyO3 [10:42] so 12.10 then... [10:43] \o/ 12.10 [10:43] :D [10:44] or 12.04 if you care [10:44] i tried to install gimp ppa once, it broke gimp completely [10:44] WFM [10:45] i got mismatch between some library versions, gimp crashed on startup [10:46] 12.10 baby yeah! [10:46] why is reddit red today? [10:46] it's almost time to switch to 12.10 alpha anyway... [10:46] why do i have a reddit account? [10:47] i don't remember making it [10:47] i make a new one every time i want to do some trolling [10:47] i have zero activity... weird [10:49] ali1234: it might be that you commented on something I'm pretty sure that's how I wound up with one [10:50] the ubuntu subreddit is a bunch of unity haters interspersed with canonical employees [10:51] that goes without saying [10:51] it's where i go to make myself feel that my opinions are moderate, compared to the rabid parroting [10:52] made me laugh when kids went crazy about mono icons, because they had been told mono is evil [10:57] does anyone know where I can get a decent usb3 external hard disk case thingi? I've looked on ebuyer etc but apprently there are issues with the controllers they use when it comes to big files/hard disks [10:58] JohnRobert, i just bought an entire usb3 disk. decided it was worth more to me to not need separate power than to get size or DIY-convenience [10:59] especially with the cost of disks these days [11:02] hmm [11:02] right after the spike in prices, stuff like NAS units and enclosures with included drives were actually cheaper than buying the bare drives [11:02] yep [11:02] i guess because they sit on the shelf longer [11:02] currently they're ~identical [11:02] yeah [11:02] heh [11:03] certainly from big-box stores [11:03] not checked recently but i'd guess they still are economical [11:03] well, basically I'm trying to get data off my 3tb hdd that was in a mybook live NAS (which died in a lightning storm) [11:03] are they SATA? [11:03] hm. 3T. might get some odd behaviour from an off the shelf usb controller [11:03] I only have two laptops so I can't hook it up directly... unless of course there's a 3.5" -> 2.5" sata thingi [11:03] JohnRobert, 2.5 and 3.5" sata have the same connectors [11:03] maybe that's the cheapest solution [11:04] yeah, but I need some kind of connector or something [11:04] extension cables! [11:04] as you can't put a 3.5" hdd in many laptops [11:04] :p [11:04] http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=USB+to+SATA&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=13299711359030455310&sa=X&ei=t5-OT6_hAce68gP78fygCw&ved=0CJEBEPICMAU [11:04] maybe something like that [11:04] (you don't actually need a full enclosure) [11:04] http://www.ebuyer.com/184677-startech-slimline-sata-extension-cable-0-5m-slsata20ext [11:04] ? [11:05] then again, I'd also like to use the drive [11:05] my desktop, conveniently, has sata connectors on the back. [11:05] well, that's a lie. it has a molex power connector, and two unpowered esata connectors - and was supplied with a molex to double sata power cable, and two esata to sata cables [11:06] the net result is the same [11:08] has anyone ever tried one of those usb to parallel printer cables? [11:08] i heard they're not really real parallel ports [11:08] heh [11:09] ali1234, i've only done it with serial. [11:11] well I'm stumped as to what to get [11:12] shame raspberry pi doesn't have usb3 and gigabit and is available... that woulda been fun [11:13] even if it had those interfaces it would be incapable of using them fully [11:13] You think it's too limiting in its current state? [11:13] it's far too slow for that [11:13] hmm [11:13] I see your point [11:14] I had a wd mybook world ed.. it was insanely slow even though it was gigabit [11:14] the cpu just couldn't do anything very fast [11:15] is there a online auction site like ebay that uses google checkout? [11:15] popey: do you recall who wrote a silly script to compare the performance from one machine to another. The output was measured in cm [11:21] an application has an icon in the dash, but disappears if you drag it to the launcher, leaving a blank square. [11:21] is that due to a missing .desktop file or something? [11:23] I have reached 5,555 tweets. I can tweet no more :( [11:24] you have to pay for pro account now [11:26] Maybe I'll allow myself another 123 tweets [11:27] surely twitter can monetize itself by requiring a paid pro account for those with 1000 followers or more [11:27] Would it make much money? [11:28] I'm sure average users have far fewer than even 500 followers [11:28] I have 143 followers, a lot of bots and weirdos [11:29] oimon: I don't think that would work, you could get 1500 spammers/bots following you making you have to pay for the pro account [11:30] glah, it's almost worth buying a pc to do this [11:32] JohnRobert: to do what? [11:32] you can block people [11:33] Maybe those who follow too many should have to pay :) [11:35] oimon: I do that with people I don't recognise or look like spammers just wanting people to auto-follow them [11:35] even if 2% of twitter people had >1000 followers it would be an income stream [11:36] bigcalm: I would agree with that idea, maybe a sliding scale, follow < 1000, its free, 1000-10000 £x, 10000+ £xxxxxxxx [11:36] 700 people have > 1m folllowers [11:36] is 1000 a lot? [11:36] they should just charge 5p per tweet [11:37] 1000 is enough to pay for a pro account imo [11:37] popey: a lot to follow or follow you? [11:37] i dunno [11:37] i actually dunno how many people i follow or follow me [11:37] * popey looks [11:37] anyone know of a good way of getting sed to work recursively on files *.php ? [11:38] "some" [11:38] popey: you're popular though :) [11:38] 1896 :) [11:38] s/popular/followed by a lot of people/ [11:38] Following 1379? [11:38] there's a big difference [11:38] in the grand scheme of things popey isn't that popular [11:38] indeed [11:38] s/people/twitter accounts [11:38] JohnRobert: find -iname '*.php' --exec sed -i -e 'whatever' {} \; [11:38] that is barely a schoolfull of people [11:38] check syntax though [11:39] is that the unit of measuremnet now? [11:39] ah right, use find [11:39] makes sense [11:39] :) [11:39] ta [11:39] for file in `ls *.php` do ... done [11:39] not recursive [11:39] ah missed that [11:39] also will break if anything has funny characters in the name [11:39] like space [11:40] i bow to the more efficient solution [11:41] oimon: even for yours you don't need `ls *.php` [11:41] yeah you don't need to use ls there [11:41] bigcalm: when you use irssi as a proxy does it show up when you connect/disconnect? [11:41] you could've done for file in *.php for the same effect [11:41] you could have just done sed ... *.php too [11:41] oh yeah [11:41] it's like asking directions to basingstoke in here [11:41] popey: it shows in irssi's status screen when a client connects/disconnects [11:41] 10 solutions that work fine [11:42] well, most only got you to the first junction [11:42] one will take longer, one is cheaper.. [11:42] actually only the ones i gave work fine [11:42] it's only the find that actually went all the way to the solution [11:42] iterating across filenames using the shell always explodes when you least expect it [11:43] shell generally does what you don't expect [11:45] bigcalm: Any news on your upgrade to ICS on your xoom yet? [11:45] DJones: nothing for the UK yet [11:45] davmor2 found out that we should see it in Q2 [11:45] Though what their definition of Q2 is... [11:46] but as bigcalm pointed out is that the financial q2 or calendar q2 [11:46] * AlanBell sighs at bug 949445. Looks like Unity 2d is going to be released with broken HUD as well as Unity 3d. [11:46] Thats easy to answer, whichever is the later [11:46] Launchpad bug 949445 in unity-2d "HUD is silent to screen readers" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/949445 [11:46] And a 3 month window at that [11:49] find -iname '*.php' -exec "sed -i \"s/form_submit('submit', 'Continue');/form_submit(array('name' => 'submit', 'value' => 'Contact us', 'class' => 'continue'));/g\"" {} \; can anyone tell me why the syntax for this is wrong? I'm getting a lot of 'no such file or directory' errors... [11:49] oh jeez [11:50] put the regexp into a file [11:50] bigcalm: I've been quite impressed with it, seems nice and stable and easy to use [11:50] there is no regexp, it's just a simple search/replace [11:50] probably escaped incorrectly or something [11:50] that *is* a regexp [11:50] it looks like you have unmatched quotes [11:51] DJones: I think I'll have ICS on a phone before I see it on a tablet :) [11:51] Samsung are revealing their new Galaxy product(s) on 3rd May [11:51] Everybody thinks this will be the S3, I'm hoping so anyway [11:52] I have an SGS [11:52] the IO performance is horrible. [11:52] bigcalm: That wouldn't surprise me, I notied yesterday that my Desire HD is due to be upgraded to ICS, although probably some time after your Xoom gets upgraded [11:52] I have a SGS2. It's a good deal better than my SGS was [11:54] I'm due to upgrade until October, so plenty of time for new phones to come out, although I may stick with the current phone but switch to giffgaff for the unlimited broadband to use with the tablet [12:04] popey: ping [12:05] hmm, nope [12:05] Nope? [12:06] bigcalm: popey says no. [12:06] ooh, it wobbles [12:06] and goes blue [12:06] like it [12:06] Hehe [12:08] is this a new revision of mr blobby? [12:09] not sure if we're talking about minecraft [12:09] so hard to know [12:09] Heh [12:09] When did minecraft get mentioned? [12:09] it didnt [12:09] but it could be as it's hard to know sometimes [12:10] Though one can always assume that minecraft should be mentioned ;) [12:13] MEINkraft? === nothingspecial is now known as angela-android === angela-android is now known as rastamouse [12:32] Lunch! [12:32] way ahead of you. [12:34] Chippy! === rastamouse is now known as nothingspecial === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk [13:06] ooh [13:06] alt-tab-raises-all-windows-of-an-app bug seems fixed here [13:06] that is _awesome_ [13:09] what do you get now? [13:10] the right window [13:10] i.e. not all of them raised [13:10] makes it easier to switch between one full screen window and one restored window [13:10] e.g. browser full screen and a zillion terminals open [13:10] switch between browser and one terminal [13:10] not raising them all [13:11] what does the switcher show? [13:11] one icon per app, but it just raises the last window? [13:11] alt-` to switch between windows of an app? [13:14] how does unity choose between the window to switch to when multiple windows are open on other desktops? last one used? [13:15] i.e. i'm on desktop 1, open terminal on desktops 2 and 3, click the terminal and it switches to one [13:15] http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_Unity_2D [13:15] * Laney wants to try this [13:17] Laney: try it [13:17] :( [13:20] easier than me explaining it [13:21] that would require me cycling 3 miles :P [13:21] never mind. [13:33] Laney: I considered that, but I went for Cinnamon instead [13:34] mgdm, i've tried cinnamon and thought it was OK, but then i realsed that gnome-panel has been restored to 12.04 with all the features, and is gtk3 , so allows gtk3 themes. [13:34] needs moar tiling [13:34] or do you mean cinnamon with xmonad? [13:35] however, after giving up on unity many times, this week is the longest i've used it without getting really annoyed [13:38] popey: really pleased that alt-tab is fixed, I am updating now :) [13:38] anyone got a raspberry pi yet? [13:38] not me [13:39] https://plus.google.com/u/0/111049168280159033135 [13:40] while i like the idea, the hype and excitement on the internet has been relentless [13:40] considering the linksys slug has been out for years , and many won't actually plug in the video [13:40] if you can afford it, get a beagle board instead [13:41] or beagle bone if you don't want video [13:41] if you can afford it, then cotton candy [13:41] support the company that produces the most open hardware [13:42] I think that cost is probably the biggest factor ali1234 [13:42] Cotton Candy will be available in Q1 2012 in limited quantities for developers. Consumer devices are anticipated to hit the market in Q3 2012 [13:42] I've wanted a arduino/beagle board for ages [13:42] But cost for me has been the hardest thing [13:42] arduino is silly priced [13:43] you can build your own for $10 [13:43] As soon as funds are better I probably will get myself one [13:43] But with all the extras to do anything fun it starts costing [13:43] just buy some avr chips and protoboard [13:43] Or I was looking at the wrong places last month [13:43] you can do a lot more with that [13:43] avr is so easy to work with [13:44] Laney: no xmonad [13:44] http://www.oomlout.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=211 [13:45] unity launcher shows 1 new message on thunderbird, but cannot find it? bug? [13:46] programmer: http://files.myopera.com/CrazyTerabyte/atmega8/AVR-dapa.png [13:46] bigcalm, davmor2 - no thingy for me tomorrow, need to be at my house for the gas man [13:47] oimon: does the messaging menu tell you where it is? [13:47] ali1234, have you built anything arduino based? [13:47] yes [13:48] and i've built things with raw AVR too [13:48] i prefer raw AVR [13:48] arduino libraries are slow and bloated [13:48] which isn't good on a 16Mhz chip with 8kb ram [13:48] gord no say it aint so [13:50] popey, well done :) i never looks on that messaging menu [13:50] now to discover how to set it to only tell me about inbox mail rather than filtered mail [13:54] mrevell: I know you aren't able to go to the happy hour, but are you going to the work place day tomorrow? [13:54] sticky edges started working today - do many people leave this switched on? [13:55] which sticky edges? [13:55] unity desktop sticky edges [13:55] Who killed facebook? Error 500 :D [13:55] you mean multimonitor? [13:55] wfm bigcalm [13:55] reminds me, i need to report a bug about that [13:55] oimon: maybe it's telling me to get some damn work done [13:55] ali1234, yes, with multimonitor [13:56] i turn down sensitivity to the absolute minimum [13:56] sticky edges makes your mouse stick when moving between screens [13:56] i think the behaviour is bizarre [13:56] it is really bizarre [13:56] unless doing a presentation [13:57] i tend to think of my 2 monitors as one big one [13:57] howdy all [13:57] how goes things? [13:57] the logical thing to do would be to put the launcher on the right side of the right monitor [13:57] but that would mean going back on the decision to not let you configure where the launcher is [13:58] so instead it had to go on the middle [13:58]