[00:18] <andygray> okay, home
[04:23] <Unit193> BiosElement: Yeah I won't be there. ;)
[05:00] <BiosElement> Heh Unit193 Not a problem
[05:06] <Cheri703> o/ andygraybeal why look me up?
[05:08] <Cheri703> ah, scrolled back further :)
[12:11] <andygray> morning
[13:36] <paultag> yo
[13:40] <andygray> heya paul
[13:40] <andygray> what are you up to today ?
[13:46] <paultag> living the dream, man
[13:46] <paultag> how are you?
[13:48] <andygray> haha living the dream, listen to you.
[13:49] <andygray> i'm good. i'm on the journey to upgrade joomla 1.5 to 2.5 ... without interruptions today.
[13:51] <paultag> badass
[13:51] <andygray> my eyesite is getting bad man ;)
[13:52] <andygray> so.. what is this dream your living?   if i was living my dream i had last night, carrie fisher would be next to me.
[13:52] <andygray> oh and i would be at a hockey game with a bunch of asians and techno music playing with phones that would upload copyright violations every time a picture was taken.
[13:52] <andygray> and a logo was in the picture.
[13:53] <paultag> working for a nonprofit I love
[13:53] <paultag> doing shit I love
[13:53] <andygray> nice, nonprofit, i did a small job for 'homeless garden project'  in santa cruz california :)
[13:53] <andygray> i work at a cooperative right now (for profit b corp)
[13:54] <paultag> sweet
[13:54] <paultag> I work for the Sunlight Foundation
[13:54] <paultag> a nonprofit focused on goverment transparency and accountability
[13:54] <andygray> ah interesting.
[13:54] <andygray> sounds potentially very dangerous :)
[13:54] <paultag> meh :)
[13:54] <paultag> I think that's why it's fun. We're also super well known
[13:55] <andygray> i figure it's something like leaking cables left and right.
[13:55] <paultag> nah, we can't do that
[13:55] <paultag> we just download stuff the goverment hids on their sites, but is still public
[13:55] <paultag> then digest all of it and disclose the findings
[13:55] <andygray> well, this is interesting.
[13:55] <paultag> or like, scraping sites to make APIs
[13:55] <paultag> like, state legislative bodies
[13:56] <paultag> we're mostly technical folks, which is cool
[14:56] <thafreak> Morning...er...mid morning Ohio
[14:57] <andygray> heya thafreak
[14:57] <thafreak> yo yo
[14:57]  * thafreak has so much work to do....but doesn't want to do it :(
[14:58] <thafreak> 3 jobs is at least, one job too many
[14:58] <thafreak> but probably 3 jobs too many
[14:58] <canthus13> good morning.
[15:01]  * canthus13 stabs chromium repeatedly witha  spoon.
[15:02] <canthus13> I have 4GB of ram.  there's no reason I should be swapping. :/
[15:02] <canthus13> ...except that chromium was using 2.5GB.
[15:04] <thafreak> awesome
[15:05] <thafreak> yeah, i keep switching browsers as my default periodically...
[15:05] <thafreak> basically when i realize my browser's using all my ram, i change
[15:05] <thafreak> until i realize that browser is using all my ram...then i change back
[15:05] <thafreak> :)
[15:08] <thafreak> fyi, you can sort of convert virtualbox vm's to kvm...
[15:09] <thafreak> i guess the export appliance thing that vbox does makes an ova file, which is just a gnu tar file with an ovf and a vmdk disk image
[15:10] <andygray> nice, vbox to kvm :)
[15:10] <andygray> had no idea
[15:57] <Cheri703> I got my work from home job !!! I will be starting as part time, but with the potential for more, and if I am doing a fair amount each week, will likely quit current job and move to a part-time with benefits elsewhere :)
[16:00] <andygray> nice
[16:01] <thafreak> crap...nevermind...seems vmdk support in qemu/kvm isn't working....
[16:02] <andygray> thafreak, noted :)
[16:02] <thafreak> Cheri703: what kind of work from home is it?
[16:02] <Cheri703> qa for a website, eventually penetration testing and other junior-ish security engineer stuff :D :D
[16:02] <thafreak> andygray: fyi, there is a vbox tool to convert vmdk images to raw images though...i will have to do that first i guess
[16:03] <thafreak> wow nice...
[16:03] <Cheri703> yes, very excited
[16:03] <Cheri703> and the website is one that teaches security things to people, so even better, I get to learn as I work :D
[16:03] <thafreak> so are you working for a company qa'ing their website, or for like a consulting company qa'ing other companies websites?
[16:04] <Cheri703> qa'ing theirs, then other stuff later on
[16:04] <Cheri703> www.thehackeracademy.com :D
[16:05] <andygray> interesting :)
[16:05] <Cheri703> I'm super excited
[16:05] <thafreak> and you're getting paid, or is it more like unpaid intern?
[16:05] <Cheri703> paid
[16:06] <thafreak> awesome
[16:07] <thafreak> let us know (specifically me) if it's decent material...
[16:07] <thafreak> i might be convinced to get my company to pay their membership fee for me...if it seems worth it
[16:07] <thafreak> see, now you're in sales too and you didn't even know it
[16:08] <Cheri703> hehe, yeah, I'll keep you posted
[16:08] <Cheri703> I will say, decent material for me (beginner) might be different than decent material for you, but I've been interacting with the guy behind it, sounds pretty good overall
[16:10] <andygray> what is it that yano does?
[16:10] <andygray> that sounds somethinkg like what he is wokring on too
[16:10] <thafreak> is it a instructor lead class type setup, or more of a learn at your own pace kind of deal?
[16:11] <Cheri703> I believe learn at your own pace, check out the blog on the site
[16:22] <Cheri703> I will let you know once I'm more into it
[16:54] <canthus13> Wow. 1500 bucks a year?
[16:55] <Cheri703> pm me if interested but that is too much >.>
[17:21] <canthus13> Heh.
[17:21] <canthus13> I'll learn it the old fashioned way, tyvm.
[17:22] <Cheri703> for the record, I'm not implying that I'd be shady and provide info as I'm doing it
[17:28] <canthus13> :)
[17:51] <gilbert> paultag: reading -devel?
[17:52] <paultag> gilbert: yeah, I saw your post
[17:52] <paultag> gilbert: I like the idea a lot
[17:52] <paultag> gilbert: but a lot of people might claim hijacking or breaking stable versions or something
[17:52] <gilbert> paultag: cool. glad to know my ideas aren't completely crazy ;)
[17:53] <paultag> yeah no, it's a good idea
[17:53] <paultag> and I think you should keep at it, I agree a lot
[17:54] <paultag> gilbert: any replies off-list?
[17:54] <gilbert> paultag: not yet.  just sent that like 15 min ago anyway
[17:54] <paultag> ah, yeah, true
[17:54] <paultag> (45 minutes ago)
[17:54] <gilbert> oh
[17:55] <gilbert> time flies :(
[17:55] <paultag> y'rly
[17:55] <gilbert> so, i think hijacking is overblown
[17:56] <paultag> I agree, but some people claim it as a real problem
[17:56] <gilbert> the solution to that i already put in there is that the maintainer can appeal alioth's decision by demonstrating volunteer badness
[17:57] <paultag> yeah I saw that bit
[17:59] <gilbert> but yeah, i'm tired of maintainers whining
[17:59] <paultag> I know people are going to claim that this will encourage malicious NMUs via official means, gilbert
[17:59] <gilbert> let the people that are actually doing things do those things
[17:59] <paultag> I know it's not
[17:59] <paultag> but that's what they're going to say
[17:59] <paultag> I agree
[17:59] <paultag> totally
[17:59] <paultag> I think collab-maint should actually mean something (but alas)
[18:01] <gilbert> a few bad/malicious nmus shouldn't prevent others from doing real work
[18:01] <gilbert> those should be addressed on a case-by-case basis
[18:01] <paultag> I mean, I agree, and you'd have to have upload rights
[18:01] <paultag> but I feel that if this were in place when that dpkg NMU went down, it'd be behind this sort of process
[18:01] <gilbert> well, anyway, thats what i'll say if someone complains about that
[18:01] <paultag> which isn't a bad thing
[18:02] <gilbert> tru
[18:02] <paultag> but stuff like DMs getting a DD to upload this sort of thing
[18:02] <paultag> will be hard, I think
[18:02] <paultag> which isn't a bad thing, but just something I was thinking about
[18:02] <gilbert> possibly.  after time, it may become more acceptible
[18:03] <paultag> I hope so :)
[18:03] <gilbert> you'll be a dd by then anyway ;)
[18:03] <paultag> I'm not so worried about me :)
[18:03] <gilbert> ah good ole selflessness
[18:03] <paultag> I'm in the middle of nodejs hell, I'm about to upload like 20 new node packages
[18:03] <paultag> and if someone would jack a few of those, I'd be so effing happy
[18:04] <paultag> so I need to make sure there's a process for that :)
[18:04] <gilbert> :)
[18:04] <paultag> (trying to get TileMill in before Wheezy)
[18:06] <gilbert> haha, the "please hijack this" process
[18:06] <paultag> right?!
[18:06] <paultag> it's what the low-threshold NMU should be
[18:09] <paultag> I wish we could leave notes on the PTS
[18:10] <paultag> DEP12 - HACKING.Debian
[18:11] <paultag> actually, I wonder if I can just start doing that, and send a patch into the PTS to display that in a pane
[18:41] <gilbert> sure, no harm in trying
[18:41] <gilbert> except wasted time
[18:42] <paultag> yeah, sure
[18:42] <paultag> it'd be nice to leave a note for people looking at how to handle this sort of situation
[18:43] <paultag> and a thing for them to point to to say it's OK to do this to any sponsors
[18:47] <andygray> i need like #software-ignorance-rage  support right now.
[18:48] <andygray> i'm going nuts with this joomla transfer, i've done it before, several times and it's worked just great.
[18:48] <andygray> this time, is not working :(
[18:48] <andygray> i must be missing something
[18:48] <andygray> i know this has nothing to do with ubuntu.
[18:49] <andygray> grrrrrrr
[19:43] <andygray> who plans on using failback mode?
[19:43] <andygray> anyone?
[19:43] <Unit193> Nope.
[19:43] <Unit193> I'll still be using Xfce and/or LXDE. :P
[19:43] <andygray> i'm gonna use failback for all my users, but for my laptop imma use straight up
[19:43] <andygray> Unit193, awesome man.
[19:44] <andygray> my users would so much love lxde
[19:44] <paultag> Fluxbox or Awesome + some gnome things is enough for me
[19:45] <andygray> hmmm i never heard of Awesome
[19:45] <paultag> one day, I'm going to write a tiling wayland DS
[19:45] <Unit193> AwesomeWM, not bad.
[19:45] <andygray> *needs to loook up
[19:45] <paultag> Awesome is OK. Not awesome
[19:45] <paultag> but it's what I'm using now
[19:45] <paultag> it's good for multi-screen or large screens
[19:45] <Unit193> I can't wait for Xfce 4.10.
[19:45] <andygray> i've got on with the WM named after my ballsack.. which is effin hilarious.
[19:46] <andygray> scrot? or some .. yea
[19:46] <paultag> scrot is for screenshots
[19:46] <andygray> yea, i'm still thinking
[19:46] <paultag> scr[eensh]ot
[19:46] <andygray> eensh :)
[19:47] <andygray> i like it.
[19:47] <andygray> the nutsack window manager : scrotwm
[19:47] <andygray> it's effin bad ass :)
[19:47] <andygray> but users could never understand
[19:47] <paultag> haha, oh lordy
[19:48] <paultag> I need to write my wm, i have big ideas
[19:48] <paultag> I have big ideas for lots of things
[19:48] <paultag> not enough time, never enough time
[19:48] <andygray> excuses, excuses..... ( yes, i am falling off the keyboard)
[19:52] <andygray> talking about excuses, this is a great thread
[19:52] <andygray> http://www.osnews.com/comments/20910
[20:02] <gilbert> all columbusites, join us for ubuntu hour at panara tonight at 6 just south of the osu campus
[20:05] <andygray> i'd love to go
[20:05] <andygray> i can't but yea.
[20:06] <andygray> that is aewsome people get together about ubuntu :)
[20:06] <andygray> er i mean in cbus :)
[20:06] <andygray> gilbert, is ubuntu hour every week?
[20:08] <gilbert> andygray: every other
[20:08] <andygray> nice
[20:09] <andygray> is there  a decent turnout?
[20:10] <andygray> i can't imagine there would be any turn out save for a handful in athens
[20:10] <andygray> i mean, if there were such an event
[20:10] <andygray> it would be badass if there was the event :)
[20:11] <gilbert> andygray: are you at ou?
[20:12] <andygray> i'm not.  i'm a resident in the area... well just outside the athens area.
[20:12] <andygray> #aalug is the lug
[20:12] <andygray> it's not very acgtive
[20:12] <andygray> i've been to a presentation that the lug had like.. years ago on the OU campus, i felt a little weird cause i was older but i got over it.
[20:12] <gilbert> andygray: we're always looking for more local leads.  all ya gotta do is find a friend, maybe put some flyers up, and hang out
[20:13] <gilbert> andygray: ubuntu hours tend not to involve presentations, so no pressure
[20:14] <andygray> i see
[20:14] <andygray> is it a popular thing?
[20:14] <andygray> having an 'ubuntu hours' at a venue?
[20:14] <gilbert> andygray: yeah its somewhat popular, we usually get 6 or 7 that come out
[20:15] <andygray> i own a venue, if that many people come out it would be good :)
[20:15] <andygray> co-own, really i mis-spoke
[20:15] <andygray> maybe i'll find more people around my area up for it.
[20:17] <gilbert> andygray: yeah, its a good time
[20:17] <gilbert> andygray: since you co-own the place, put up some signage the week before or something
[20:18] <andygray> yea, i will advertisde
[20:18] <andygray> we have a foreign language night once a week :)
[20:18] <andygray> it's not very active
[20:19] <andygray> it should be advertized more
[20:19] <gilbert> andygray: are you on the mailing list?
[20:19] <gilbert> andygray: if not, join up https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-oh and announce your meetings there
[20:21] <gilbert> also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam (includes events around the state)-
[20:21] <andygray> i'm not on the mailing list
[20:21] <andygray> i'm new to this ubuntu social network
[20:21] <andygray> i think i'm only on the announce :) list
[20:22] <andygray> i get those emails from that lady every so often.
[20:22] <gilbert> the ohio list is quite different.  just local stuff and random conversations every now and then
[20:26] <Unit193> It's not typically loaded with drama, thankfully.
[21:24] <paultag> like every other ubuntu everything :)
[22:01] <BiosElementv3> Howdy folks
[22:09] <gilbert> ubuntu hour columbus now! come here
[22:19] <canthus13> gilbert: ..2 and a half hours is a bit of a drive. :P
[22:19] <BiosElementv3> haha you shoulda planned it better! ;P
[22:20] <gilbert> canthus13: thats too bad, only half a tank of gas to get
[22:20] <BiosElementv3> Exactly! And then you get to have bad coffee >.>
[22:21] <canthus13> gilbert: Half a tank. :( That's half the week's groceries.