[00:41] I installed 10.04 to my DumbDrive and it's not booting [01:29] How do I check the temperature of my Xubuntu machine? [01:29] !sensors [01:29] To access CPU temperature sensors and detect fan speeds, install the lm-sensors package. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto for installation and usage instructions. [01:29] You can also sudo hddtemp /dev/sda [01:31] once you have lm-sensors configured, you can see sensors in the gui if you install xfce4-goodies and use the Sensor Viewer applet [01:31] Thanks! [01:37] That's great advice, thanks Unit193 [01:38] Looks like the drive is at +33C and the rest of the system is about comparable [01:38] brb [01:38] babble too. [01:38] You can -uF with hddtemp [01:43] Thanks babble too [01:43] ball: no worries :) [01:44] (I'm trying to sort out getting hddtemp into the Sensor Viewer too.) [01:50] SIO Temp: +29C, temp2: +40C, temp3: +33C [01:51] My guess is that temp2 is the N. bridge and temp3 is the CPU [01:51] ...but thinking about it, temp3 could be sda [01:51] Either way, they're all tolerable. [01:58] ooh, I need to fix this wm. [01:59] tab is toggling between terminal windows. Can I make that go away? [02:01] just tab? (Not the alt-tab switcher?) [02:01] which terminal are you using? [02:01] Whichever came with Xubuntu [02:02] Terminal 0.4.8 [02:02] if you're using xfce4-terminal, I'm not getting what you're getting. [02:02] Xfce Terminal Emulator [02:02] tab for me autocompletes. [02:02] Let me just close the other terminal window [02:02] what else have you edited in the xfce terminal preferences? [02:06] woot, they finally fixed the ugly nvidia/ati driver plymouth problem [02:06] progress [02:07] nothing. [02:07] I'm trying to wait until there's a port of Zukitwo to gtk3.4 [02:07] but I /did/ tear a tab out into a separate window. [02:08] which may not happen, if his deviant post is to be believed. [02:08] ball: I just detached a (ui) tab. [02:08] (keyboard) tab for me still wants to autocomplete [02:09] I don't know then. I could try quitting and starting again [02:09] ...but that means joining ten irc channels. [02:09] I can't really replicate your issue. [02:09] have you edited keyboard shortcuts elsewhere? [02:09] you may have an unintended assignment for tab [02:09] No. [02:10] I installed yesterday [02:10] *shrugs. first thing I do is edit keyboard shortcuts :) [02:17] First thing I do is install openssh-server, joe, irssi, tightvnc-server... [02:17] Second thing is set focus-follows mouse [02:18] Anything special I have to do to make X remember my choice of screen mode for the console? [02:23] Oh wow, there's a dock thing at the bottom of the screen! [02:23] I wonder what that's all about. [02:28] Okay, figured out how to stop that from lurching onto the screen. [02:28] ball: app launcher [02:29] I should make a list of the things I've fixed, to use as a list of things to fix. [02:29] why not just back up your .config folder when you're done? [02:31] There's a .config folder? [02:32] turn on hidden files/folders in thunar and look in your home directory [02:32] View > Show Hidden Files (Ctrl-H) in Thunar [02:33] all of your xfce-specific settings go in .config/xfce4 folders. [02:35] Interesting. I had no idea. [02:36] (I knew there could be "hidden" directories, because I can see them with "ls -la" [02:36] ) [02:36] a user level $CONFIG directory is part of the freedesktop standard [02:36] ideally, everything would put configs in there, but many things just make their own at the top level of $HOME [03:08] Hi, my question today is: Does Xubuntu versions run off the same versions of libraries as it's Ubuntu counterpart? [03:08] Backstory: I'm making SVGs and need an up to date version of librsvg [03:17] Also, is there a place where I can check to see what versions of packages a particular version of Xubuntu has? === zmoylan1 is now known as zmoylan [03:20] Nebbermend, found the FAQ stating what I needed to know [03:23] So, let me ask this then. If I install the 12.04 beta of Xubuntu, does it seemless transition into a release version of Xubuntu 12.04? [03:26] maoranma: is *is* xubuntu 12.04 [03:26] it is* [03:27] as long as you dont break it, you upgrade, and it'll still be 12.04 [03:27] holstein: See, that's what I assumed, I just thought it was odd that there's a beta1 iso and a beta2 iso [03:30] maoranma: think of it like a snapshot.. its like 10.04 and 10.04.2 for example [03:30] Ah. [03:31] its less about the OS version, and more about what packages are in the repositories, and what versions are there, and how close to those latest versions you choose to be [03:32] Right, I guess there were enough changes to the included packages on the iso to warrant another beta of it [03:32] they are milestones as well [03:32] I see [03:35] Figured I'd do a fresh install with Xubuntu, since my current Xfce install on Ubuntu 11.10 is wonky anyway. What uh...desktop manager on xubuntu? Lightdm, xdm? [03:37] i think lightDM is the display manager [03:37] kk, thanks [03:38] you can use it if its not... or pick another if you want [03:40] I might pick another, I dunno [03:40] i see that every couple months, so i could care less [03:42] I'm on a laptop, so I see it constantly, lol, so I need one I can configure easily [03:46] yeah.. laptops.. i just dont logout that oftem personally.. [04:00] holstein: Are you as bad as these guys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5MA685ApE [04:01] Noah: lol [04:04] Hello! [04:05] How fast is xubuntu than ubuntu? [04:06] Noah: try it live [04:06] Noah: sorry... n-iCe ^^ [04:06] for some reasong the xubuntu image viewer takes way too load to display an image [04:06] hehe, I will, I'm downloading it, question, has the same packages? kernel and drivers? [04:07] n-iCe: its more about XFCE vs unity, which i think you would find snappier, but really just different [04:07] n-iCe: xubuntu *is* ubuntu... same repos.. same access to software [04:08] the thing is, I tried Debian in my inspiron dell mini laptop 1018 and the wireless does not work, and there were no way to make it work due rfkill and switch known bugs, same linux mint and lubuntu [04:08] I just installed Ubuntu 11.10 and the wireless is WORKING! [04:08] So I'm gonna try xubuntu in live cd and see if the wireless work [04:09] n-iCe: you can just install XFCE, or xubuntu-desktop [04:09] n-iCe: no need to wipe and install xubuntu over ubuntu, unless you just want to [04:09] well, will be better don't you think [04:09] n-iCe: it will/can be exactly the same [04:09] oh [04:10] n-iCe: xubuntu *is* ubuntu [04:10] how do I remove the ubuntu desktop? [04:10] and install the xubuntu desktop then? [04:10] n-iCe: you can search for it, and remove it [04:10] n-iCe: you can install XFCE or xubuntu-desktop [04:10] what's the difference [04:11] n-iCe: in XFCE and xubuntu-desktop? [04:11] yup [04:11] xubuntu-destkop is a customized version of XFCE bascially [04:11] which one would you install [04:12] depends... sometimes i think the *buntu-desktop packages dont coexist very well [05:00] Who was assiting me? [05:00] Just one thing, how awesome xubuntu looks now [05:01] I did a clean install, is pretty clean and neat and fashion, really loved it, the wireless thing worked just great [05:01] !es [05:01] En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #xubuntu-es; escriba "/join #xubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. Si nadie responde, puedes intentar preguntando en #ubuntu-es. [05:01] So I'm gonna be around [05:02] holstein: I think it was you [05:02] are you still around? [05:03] Hi, inexperenced user here [05:03] can u help me' [05:04] xubuntu175: Just ask your question, and if anyone can help, they'll try [05:04] I am trying to set up a pc with skype 4 my elderly widdowed neighbor 2 call her 2 children [05:05] skype.com go to downloads and download the .deb from Ubuntu [05:05] having difficulty with session startup [05:05] done [05:05] for [05:05] ok, what's the login problem then? [05:06] in sessions startup I can not locate the file skype.exe (oops sorry no exe files here) LOL [05:06] uh? [05:07] write in the terminal, "skype" (without quotes) [05:07] and will be launch, but I'm sure it must be installed in the menu if you used the deb manager or dpkg -i to install it [05:07] in sessions startup . . . add ..... select a command [05:07] anyway, my xubuntu box is ready, so I'm going to customize it, laters, i'll be here tomorrow, is late, thnks guys and good night [05:09] She does has limited skills w computers and it needs 2 b simple ie. turn on the pc and skype comes up [05:32] Hi, I am college educated but not in computer science so I really depend on a fully functional GUI that is both complete and intuitive. Ubuntu/Linux has issues here. I have an elderly widowed neighbor with no computer skills . . . yet . . . who would like to use skype to call here out-of-state children. I am running xubuntu 11.10 on a P-4 PC. I have a working webcam, microphone/headphones combo. and I have Skype installed [05:33] It is set to boot without a password and I am attempting to place skype in the startup menu. I have located sessions and startup. I have clicked on “add” and I have found the “add application” box. I have clicked on the blue icon and slammed up against a brick wall called “select a command”. This is one of those “issues” areas that fail to give me a clue as to what to do next. Would you please be so kind a [05:34] did you try "skype" [05:35] yes, but the OK did not darken [05:35] you could also just set it to open session that has skype saved in [05:36] wouldn't it be /usr/bin/skype for the command [05:36] great, how do I do that . .. where in the file system is "Skype" located? [05:36] WOW !!!!!!!!!!!! thanks [05:37] GTG4now 2 try it [05:38] Hey [05:38] it really worked . . . thanks [05:38] cheers === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [06:30] Hi [06:30] Spell check not working Xubuntu 12.04? [06:31] it is a Libre office prob I suppose [06:49] Hi together! [06:49] Can somebody tell me, how I can start an application in a certain workspace? [06:49] You mean force it to open in a certain workspace every time? [06:50] check out wmctrl and devilspie [06:50] not every time. just once. starting it from the terminal. [06:52] I think wmctrl would be the best bet then, I'll have to experiment with it it later, because I'd like to know too [06:58] thanks for answers! [08:56] do you guys generally do any mods to xubuntu? or do you just use it straight out of the box? [08:57] I use default theme, about everything else in UI is tweaked to please me [08:58] hotkeys, panels, menu, wallpaper, apps [08:58] what about the kernel.. xubuntu only gets shipped wiht 3.0.0-17-generic [08:58] the latest is like 3.3.2 [08:58] if it works, no reason to change [08:59] yeah I guess, I am basically looking to learn more about linux see. and I think upgrading the kernel to newst is a goooood excercise.. reckon its pointless ? [09:00] installing something with package manager hardly teaches everything and compiling is far less useful than many other things you could do [09:01] if you know command line usage, make a server, or you could start reading about upstart (or systemd) [09:02] you can install the latest version with apt-get can you? this is what I mean, I am a little hazy about what things can do [09:02] what is selinux? [09:02] newest kernel? if there's repository containing it [09:02] selinux is some weird security system [09:03] offers sandboxing and something and weird problems [09:03] that is another thing, I would like to know how to make my own repo.. I am unsure of third party repos etc.. how to use them.. [09:04] yeah just a thought of something I could install and configure on my vps as an exercise [09:04] "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" is about everything you need to know [09:05] after adding line (repository URI) there you run "apt-get update" and then install what you need from that repo [09:05] right, I guess I will google that then [09:06] btw.. when does 12.04 come out ? [09:06] repository URIs can also be in files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ [09:06] should be this month right ? [09:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule [09:06] april 26th [09:08] how do you usually upgrade the distro? do you do it via the package manager? or do you do a full re-install ? [09:09] I usually reinstall, can check out new system when running from cd/usb and get working clean system [09:10] upgrading is kinda likely to cause problems, but when it goes as it should it's nice [09:11] but if you install it form clean, that means you loose all apps you installed. [09:11] so.. apache, mysql, blah blah.. all gone [09:12] I don't need database or webserver [09:12] what about all of the other applications you have installed ? [09:13] I guess alot of settings are saved in /home/ [09:13] all your personal settings [09:14] it's not that bad to install music player, movie player, mp3 codec and adobe flash [09:14] yeah I guess [09:14] as a side point, I thought xubuntu shipped with flash installed? [09:14] also I have never had to install a mp3 codec.. unless it installed it when I installed vlc [09:15] it can't because of licences [09:15] sounds like you've installed xubuntu-restricted-extras [09:15] oh, is this so you can play CD's not just files? [09:16] no, but restricted-extras includes flash and mp3 support [09:17] I cant remember installing that.. but whatever [09:30] Who sponsors Xubuntu? [09:39] canonical [09:41] Kingsy: if you're concerned about third-party repos, in *most* cases on Ubuntu, that will mean a PPA (Personal Package Archive) which is built from source packages uploaded to Canonical's project hosting system (Launchpad) - the upshot is, even for third party (non-repo) packages, most of the time you can get the source. [09:44] Hello babble [09:44] how r u? [09:44] hello, Saurabh_123 [09:45] Saurabh_123: if you want to chat, I'm in -offtopic. #xubuntu is usually restricted to support. [09:45] ok babble [09:46] I tried ur xfce deb packages [09:46] having trouble? [09:46] it worked fine, but I didn't saw any significant changes in xfce [09:46] no, as I said, Xfce isn't really doing a huge UI change. [09:47] it's an evolution, not a revolution. [09:47] there was a little problem with the panel though, but it was fixed by expanding the seperator [09:47] ok [09:47] I think there's a new flag in the separator type and the "old" expanding separator doesn't use it, so panel falls back to making that just a generic separator. [09:48] but it's not difficult to fix [09:48] yeah it was easy to fix [09:49] babble, u find any luck with mintmenu? [09:49] Saurabh_123: I haven't tried. [09:50] Saurabh_123: but as I said when we last talked, it's likely, given that xfapplet is unlikely to see much work going forward, that your best bet is to run Cinnamon [09:50] mintmenu in linux mint repository has mate dependencies, and I think xfapplet doesn't recognise that [09:50] Saurabh_123: Gnome 2 panel applets are deprecated in Gnome, so I wouldn't expect to see Gnome 2 panel applet support cobbled together in other desktops forever [09:51] but cinnamon doesn't work on xubuntu, thats the problem [09:51] I don't have a solution that gives you mintmenu and xubuntu. [09:51] the ways it worked depended on largely unsupported packages. [09:52] babble, is gtk 2 still supported? [09:52] and, as I said when we last spoke, Mint seems to be focusing on its gnome (3) shell extensions at this point. [09:53] 4.10 is still using gtk2; gtk3 applications from Gnome will run, and I'm relatively sure gtk3 support throughout xfce is on the roadmap eventually, but it may depend on what you mean by "supported." [09:53] Does 4.10 use gtk2? Yes. [09:54] Does 4.10 run gtk3 applications? Yes. [09:54] ok [10:45] is the release candidate out yet? [10:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule [11:53] hm. is there a way for me to run a 32-bit Pidgin shared library in 64-bit Pidgin? [11:58] Hi, when on battery power, the screen brightness increases spontaneously every now and then, how can I fix this? [12:07] Hello, is it possible to use the xubuntu session settings also with a nx remote connection? [12:13] justanick: just doing a quick google, it looks like there are workarounds to get Unity 2D working, so I suspect a Xubuntu session *should* work. [12:13] have you tried it with the Xfce session in Xubuntu? If *that* works, the Xubuntu session should. [12:14] The xfce session is wodrking [12:14] but the Xubuntu session breaks? [12:14] working [12:15] I start the xfce session with startxfce4 and have no option to choose the Xubuntu session. [12:15] ahh. [12:16] that's not - to my knowledge - using either the Xfce or Xubuntu lightdm-selectable sessions, but an xfce fallback [12:16] let me dig through the start script and see what it accepts from the commandline tho [12:24] aha! [12:24] what happens if you try: [12:24] xfce4-session (i.e. launching the session manager as your regular user?) [12:26] The session will be a xfce session. [12:26] have you set Xubuntu as your default lightdm session? [12:27] Yes [12:27] I think the session manager will use the lightdm config [12:27] Is there a way to check this? [12:28] you could launch the session manager [12:30] i.e. try it - worst that could happen is a) it crashes on the commandline and quits, b) it starts the fallback xfce session you're already able to get... [12:30] or c) it works. [12:32] The session manager will show up the xfce session. [12:32] are you saying yes, you've done this and it starts the fallback xfce session, or are you assuming that's what will happen because startxfce4 doesn't do what you want? [12:33] I say, it does start xfce, because I have tested it. [12:33] that's what I asked twice. [12:34] in any event, let me keep looking for you. [12:35] Justanick2=justanick -> changing system [12:36] there's a forum thread that describes your issue: [12:36] Try this: Instead of using startxfce4, use startx and the DISPLAY_SESSION environment variable. [12:36] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1895108 [12:37] startxfce4 from the commandline isn't setting up /etc/xdg/xububtu in its config path [12:38] or rather /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [13:08] babble: The selection of the session is not possible through the env DISPLAY_SESSION [13:08] Could it be changed for xubuntu 12.04? [13:08] justanick2: I dunno, but in any event, why not configure the xfce session it's loading the way you want? [13:08] startx ends up with a default xfce session [13:09] fine, but other than the time to do it, why not configure the xfce session the way you want, at this point, rather than continually trying to work around it? [13:09] Yes, it may be the faster solution ;) [13:12] in any case, it looks like startx and startxfce4 from the commandline aren't inheriting the xdg-xubuntu config directory, that's likely set in lightdm's configuration someplace, and then inherrited by the rest [13:12] I wonder if it would work if you added it as a configuration path in your bashrc? [13:15] did you make the config path changes that forum poster recommended to add xdg-xubuntu before trying startx? [13:16] brb, trying. === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [13:19] justanick2: okay, I just tested this [13:19] it works for me. [13:19] set DISPLAY_SESSION=xubuntu in your environment variables. [13:19] env DISPLAY_SESSION=xububtu [13:20] with that set, startx loaded my xubuntu session from tty1 [13:20] (I had lightdm killed, so I know I wasn't loading the usual lightdm session) [13:20] if you set that in your bashrc, startx should do what you expect. [13:22] Okay, I will try this on a fresh version. On the moment I still ends in a xfce session. [13:22] Hello, installing the xubuntu-12.04-beta2-x86.iso on vmware 3.1.3 on Windows XP fails. It starts up and tells me that VMware easy install is working, but nothing happend and I see no process that could be related (after cmdline login) [13:23] Im using Vmware Player 4.0.2 on Win7 [13:23] f11f12: have you only tried doing the easy installation from VMWare? What happens if you simply try to boot to the desktop on the Live image and run the installation normally? [13:23] Does it work? [13:24] For me it is working but I'm using the 64bit edition [13:24] babble: how can I disable easy install? when I select the iso image it tells me "ubuntu 12.04" has been detected! [13:24] I don't recall precisely in VMWare (it's been a while), but there should be an option to disable easy installation from the VM setup [13:25] Don't select the iso in the first step. Create the system and select than the iso [13:25] justanick2: thanks :) [13:26] justanick2: thanks! that's it [13:26] .... installing, please wait :-) [13:27] ... doing the same ;) [13:44] ...installing VMware tools... [13:47] that sounds like progress. [13:49] Hi [13:50] Does Xubuntu install drivers during installation,or do I have to get em seperately? [13:51] Well? [13:54] they're there by default, except some graphics drivers [13:55] How do I find out which ones are installed? [13:55] babble: You have only added "env DISPLAY_SESSION=xubuntu" to your .bashrc and the command startx starts the xubuntu session? [13:55] I didn't add it to bashrc - I just did it as an environment variable [13:55] Just tested on a new installation and I still end up in a xfce session. [13:55] if you're adding it to bashrc, you'll need to reload bashrc or log out and back in for that to become active [13:55] or add it as a shell variable on the commandline now [13:56] Have done a reboot after the bashrc edit [13:56] what's in your config path right now? [13:57] from the commandline, on that machine? [13:58] /etc/xdg [13:59] you need the xdg-xubuntu config directory [13:59] mine is the following: [13:59] XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu:/etc/xdg:/usr/local/etc/xdg [14:00] giog [14:06] If I set XDG_CONFIG_DIRS in the commandline, it will be set back to /etc/xdg after the command startx [14:06] it shouldn't if you set it in bashrc [14:06] again, I *just* tested this. [14:07] are you again assuming this is the way things are going to work, or are you telling me you're trying this? [14:08] I'm trying this [14:08] let me reboot completely and see if I can replicate whatever you're doing [14:16] <3 xubuntu [14:17] okay. [14:17] sorry, just had to say that... every single release of ubuntu gives me a renewed appreciation for developers who *aren't* hellbent on turning the desktop into a featureless tablet [14:17] with DISPLAY_SESSION=xubuntu set in my bashrc, I'm still getting my regular Xubuntu session. [14:18] I can't say what may be missing on your installation, but did you try the symlinks suggested in that forum post as well? [14:18] that, or at this point, it *really* may be quicker to just configure the xfce session the way you want, I think. [14:18] Sure I think I will do it [14:19] This is in my .bashrc [14:19] #session selection [14:19] env DISPLAY_SESSION=xubuntu [14:19] env XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu:/etc/xdg:/usr/local/etc/xdg [14:19] try adding the XDG_DATA_DIRS from the regular lightdm session too [14:19] XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/xubuntu:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/usr/local/share [14:20] a potentially probitive (or stupid) question: is this a headless machine? Have you verified that the usual lightdm Xubuntu session even works? [14:22] It is virtual machine. It is not headless [14:22] the point I'm getting at is: does the usual lightdm session work? [14:22] you've verified that it does? [14:23] Yes it does work. I can use the Xubunt session from the greeter. The Xubuntu is also pre selected [14:24] okay, so that out of the way, what if you stuck the entire printenv from that lightdm session in your .bashrc from the console? [14:24] Ok, it works fine here too! It's just the VMware default install "helper" which fails. [14:24] Thanks! [14:24] (though, I think the XDG directories should do the trick) [14:28] Hi ! [14:28] hi, mamuskus [14:28] xubuntu is great ... is what ubuntu should be [14:29] come tell us all about it in #xububtu-offtopic [14:29] none the direction/road to unity [14:35] babble: I have replaced env through export in the .bashrc and it works. [14:35] huzzah! [14:36] Any idea why this will work? [14:36] okay, it's something I missed from the lightdm config, then, but if the whole config works, good enough [14:36] oh, I'll dig around and see what the heck lightdm is setting that the console doesn't have initially, but as long as it works, that's good enough, isn't it? [14:37] Sure it is. [14:37] if you ever *want* the xfce session from that console login, you [14:37] Thank you for the help. [14:37] you may want to keep the DISPLAY_SESSION variable in there, commented out [14:37] Okay [14:43] hi, testing 12.04 beta 2 in vbox... really liking what I see so far [14:44] PsynoKhi0, support and discussion in #ubuntu+1 please [14:44] erm oh [14:45] sorry [14:45] hi @ all [14:45] im using xfce with some gnome applications with some trouble [14:46] hi guys. how is it possible to define a folder as img src? i noticed ti when i looked at this page over on xubuntus site which has a html code to add a countdown to your own website? [14:46] when i start for example gedit the program starts but the menu bar appears a bit later [14:46] a html question and not xubuntu if that is ok. [14:48] ickefes, didnt get your question... [14:48] you wanna include a folder as image? [14:49] sorry.. i am used to having to point to a jpg, gif, png etc when i try to make a img src="" with html but i noticed that on xubuntus site they define a folder and not a file (jpg, gif, png) as img src [14:49] is this something new to html or is it just my newbie knowledge that is not up to par? [14:49] Countdown to Xubuntu 12.04

[14:50] ah okay.... havnt seen that before... give it a try and look what happens ;-) [14:51] i guess the folder has to only contain one file and that is a picture in probably jpg, gif or png format? [14:52] yeah, i will try it out. too bad i have to make some food right now or i will go crazy from low sugar or something :) [14:52] thanks for the help joe-cool [14:54] ickefes: they're pointing at the directory so they don't have to specify each image for the countdown [14:55] anyone knows sth about the menu delay in gnome applications? [14:56] joe-cool: can I have an example application? I'm not notiticing a delay in gnome apps I regularly use. [14:56] there are two img src that both link to the same location but they are different images. well, the second link has /?alt=w at the end [14:56] the alt tag is just text [14:56] hover over the countdown on Xubuntu.org [14:57] babble: perhaps in gnome-terminal or gedit [14:57] alt is part of the HTML 4/5 spec for folks who may be using screenreaders or other accessibility devices. [14:57] (it's required for valid HTML 4/5 for accessibility reasons) [14:58] joe-cool: I don't use gnome-terminal but I do use gedit [14:58] babble, its in gedit too [14:58] in thunar or mousepad it isnt [14:58] joe-cool: I understand that, but I'm not getting a menu delay in gedit, is the point. [14:58] okay [14:58] joe-cool: do you have Gnome Services enabled? [14:58] what service for example? [14:59] in System Settings > Session and Startup > Advanced, do you have Gnome Services enabled? [14:59]