[00:41] <Celltech> I installed 10.04 to my DumbDrive and it's not booting
[01:29] <ball> How do I check the temperature of my Xubuntu machine?
[01:29] <Unit193> !sensors
[01:29] <Unit193> You can also sudo hddtemp /dev/sda
[01:31] <babble> once you have lm-sensors configured, you can see sensors in the gui if you install xfce4-goodies and use the Sensor Viewer applet
[01:31] <ball> Thanks!
[01:37] <ball> That's great advice, thanks Unit193
[01:38] <ball> Looks like the drive is at +33C and the rest of the system is about comparable
[01:38] <ball> brb
[01:38] <Unit193> babble too.
[01:38] <Unit193> You can -uF with hddtemp
[01:43] <ball> Thanks babble too
[01:43] <babble> ball: no worries :)
[01:44] <babble> (I'm trying to sort out getting hddtemp into the Sensor Viewer too.)
[01:50] <ball> SIO Temp: +29C, temp2: +40C, temp3: +33C
[01:51] <ball> My guess is that temp2 is the N. bridge and temp3 is the CPU
[01:51] <ball> ...but thinking about it, temp3 could be sda
[01:51] <ball> Either way, they're all tolerable.
[01:58] <ball> ooh, I need to fix this wm.
[01:59] <ball> tab is toggling between terminal windows. Can I make that go away?
[02:01] <babble> just tab? (Not the alt-tab switcher?)
[02:01] <babble> which terminal are you using?
[02:01] <ball> Whichever came with Xubuntu
[02:02] <ball> Terminal 0.4.8
[02:02] <babble> if you're using xfce4-terminal, I'm not getting what you're getting.
[02:02] <ball> Xfce Terminal Emulator
[02:02] <babble> tab for me autocompletes.
[02:02] <ball> Let me just close the other terminal window
[02:02] <babble> what else have you edited in the xfce terminal preferences?
[02:06] <malv> woot, they finally fixed the ugly nvidia/ati driver plymouth problem
[02:06] <malv> progress
[02:07] <ball> nothing.
[02:07] <babble> I'm trying to wait until there's a port of Zukitwo to gtk3.4
[02:07] <ball> but I /did/ tear a tab out into a separate window.
[02:08] <babble> which may not happen, if his deviant post is to be believed.
[02:08] <babble> ball: I just detached a (ui) tab.
[02:08] <babble> (keyboard) tab for me still wants to autocomplete
[02:09] <ball> I don't know then. I could try quitting and starting again
[02:09] <ball> ...but that means joining ten irc channels.
[02:09] <babble> I can't really replicate your issue.
[02:09] <babble> have you edited keyboard shortcuts elsewhere?
[02:09] <babble> you may have an unintended assignment for tab
[02:09] <ball> No.
[02:10] <ball> I installed yesterday
[02:10] <babble> *shrugs. first thing I do is edit keyboard shortcuts :)
[02:17] <ball> First thing I do is install openssh-server, joe, irssi, tightvnc-server...
[02:17] <ball> Second thing is set focus-follows mouse
[02:18] <ball> Anything special I have to do to make X remember my choice of screen mode for the console?
[02:23] <ball> Oh wow, there's a dock thing at the bottom of the screen!
[02:23] <ball> I wonder what that's all about.
[02:28] <ball> Okay, figured out how to stop that from lurching onto the screen.
[02:28] <babble> ball: app launcher
[02:29] <ball> I should make a list of the things I've fixed, to use as a list of things to fix.
[02:29] <babble> why not just back up your .config folder when you're done?
[02:31] <ball> There's a .config folder?
[02:32] <babble> turn on hidden files/folders in thunar and look in your home directory
[02:32] <babble> View > Show Hidden Files (Ctrl-H) in Thunar
[02:33] <babble> all of your xfce-specific settings go in .config/xfce4 folders.
[02:35] <ball> Interesting. I had no idea.
[02:36] <ball> (I knew there could be "hidden" directories, because I can see them with "ls -la"
[02:36] <ball> )
[02:36] <babble> a user level $CONFIG directory is part of the freedesktop standard
[02:36] <babble> ideally, everything would put configs in there, but many things just make their own at the top level of $HOME
[03:08] <maoranma> Hi, my question today is: Does Xubuntu versions run off the same versions of libraries as it's Ubuntu counterpart?
[03:08] <maoranma> Backstory: I'm making SVGs and need an up to date version of librsvg
[03:17] <maoranma> Also, is there a place where I can check to see what versions of packages a particular version of Xubuntu has?
[03:20] <maoranma> Nebbermend, found the FAQ stating what I needed to know
[03:23] <maoranma> So, let me ask this then. If I install the 12.04 beta of Xubuntu, does it seemless transition into a release version of Xubuntu 12.04?
[03:26] <holstein> maoranma: is *is* xubuntu 12.04
[03:26] <holstein> it is*
[03:27] <holstein> as long as you dont break it, you upgrade, and it'll still be 12.04
[03:27] <maoranma> holstein: See, that's what I assumed, I just thought it was odd that there's a beta1 iso and a beta2 iso
[03:30] <holstein> maoranma: think of it like a snapshot.. its like 10.04 and 10.04.2 for example
[03:30] <maoranma> Ah.
[03:31] <holstein> its less about the OS version, and more about what packages are in the repositories, and what versions are there, and how close to those latest versions you choose to be
[03:32] <maoranma> Right, I guess there were enough changes to the included packages on the iso to warrant another beta of it
[03:32] <holstein> they are milestones as well
[03:32] <maoranma> I see
[03:35] <maoranma> Figured I'd do a fresh install with Xubuntu, since my current Xfce install on Ubuntu 11.10 is wonky anyway. What uh...desktop manager on xubuntu? Lightdm, xdm?
[03:37] <holstein> i think lightDM is the display manager
[03:37] <maoranma> kk, thanks
[03:38] <holstein> you can use it if its not... or pick another if you want
[03:40] <maoranma> I might pick another, I dunno
[03:40] <holstein> i see that every couple months, so i could care less
[03:42] <maoranma> I'm on a laptop, so I see it constantly, lol, so I need one I can configure easily
[03:46] <holstein> yeah.. laptops.. i just dont logout that oftem personally..
[04:00] <Noah> holstein: Are you as bad as these guys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5MA685ApE
[04:01] <holstein> Noah: lol
[04:04] <n-iCe> Hello!
[04:05] <n-iCe> How fast is xubuntu than ubuntu?
[04:06] <holstein> Noah: try it live
[04:06] <holstein> Noah: sorry... n-iCe ^^
[04:06] <malv> for some reasong the xubuntu image viewer takes way too load to display an image
[04:06] <n-iCe> hehe, I will, I'm downloading it, question, has the same packages? kernel and drivers?
[04:07] <holstein> n-iCe: its more about XFCE vs unity, which i think you would find snappier, but really just different
[04:07] <holstein> n-iCe: xubuntu *is* ubuntu... same repos.. same access to software
[04:08] <n-iCe> the thing is, I tried Debian in my inspiron dell mini laptop 1018 and the wireless does not work, and there were no way to make it work due rfkill and switch known bugs, same linux mint and lubuntu
[04:08] <n-iCe> I just installed Ubuntu 11.10 and the wireless is WORKING!
[04:08] <n-iCe> So I'm gonna try xubuntu in live cd and see if the wireless work
[04:09] <holstein> n-iCe: you can just install XFCE, or xubuntu-desktop
[04:09] <holstein> n-iCe: no need to wipe and install xubuntu over ubuntu, unless you just want to
[04:09] <n-iCe> well, will be better don't you think
[04:09] <holstein> n-iCe: it will/can be exactly the same
[04:09] <n-iCe> oh
[04:10] <holstein> n-iCe: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[04:10] <n-iCe> how do I remove the ubuntu desktop?
[04:10] <n-iCe> and install the xubuntu desktop then?
[04:10] <holstein> n-iCe: you can search for it, and remove it
[04:10] <holstein> n-iCe: you can install XFCE or xubuntu-desktop
[04:10] <n-iCe> what's the difference
[04:11] <holstein> n-iCe: in XFCE and xubuntu-desktop?
[04:11] <n-iCe> yup
[04:11] <holstein> xubuntu-destkop is a customized version of XFCE bascially
[04:11] <n-iCe> which one would you install
[04:12] <holstein> depends... sometimes i think the *buntu-desktop packages dont coexist very well
[05:00] <n-iCe> Who was assiting me?
[05:00] <n-iCe> Just one thing, how awesome xubuntu looks now
[05:01] <n-iCe> I did a clean install, is pretty clean and neat and fashion, really loved it, the wireless thing worked just great
[05:01] <n-iCe> !es
[05:01] <n-iCe> So I'm gonna be around
[05:02] <n-iCe> holstein: I think it was you
[05:02] <n-iCe> are you still around?
[05:03] <xubuntu175> Hi, inexperenced user here
[05:03] <xubuntu175> can u help me'
[05:04] <Noah> xubuntu175: Just ask your question, and if anyone can help, they'll try
[05:04] <xubuntu175> I am trying to set up a pc with skype 4 my elderly widdowed  neighbor 2 call her 2 children
[05:05] <n-iCe> skype.com go to downloads and download the .deb from Ubuntu
[05:05] <xubuntu175> having  difficulty with session startup
[05:05] <xubuntu175> done
[05:05] <n-iCe> for
[05:05] <n-iCe> ok, what's the login problem then?
[05:06] <xubuntu175> in sessions startup I can not locate the file skype.exe (oops sorry no exe files here)  LOL
[05:06] <n-iCe> uh?
[05:07] <n-iCe> write in the terminal, "skype" (without quotes)
[05:07] <n-iCe> and will be launch, but I'm sure it must be installed in the menu if you used the deb manager or dpkg -i to install it
[05:07] <xubuntu175> in sessions startup  . . .  add ..... select a command
[05:07] <n-iCe> anyway, my xubuntu box is ready, so I'm going to customize it, laters, i'll be here tomorrow, is late, thnks guys and good night
[05:09] <xubuntu175> She does has limited skills w computers and it needs 2 b simple   ie.  turn on the pc and skype comes up
[05:32] <xubuntu885> Hi, I am college educated but not in computer science so I really depend on a fully functional GUI that is both complete and intuitive.  Ubuntu/Linux has issues here.   I have an elderly widowed neighbor with no computer skills . . . yet . . .  who would like to use skype to  call here out-of-state children.  I am running xubuntu 11.10 on a P-4 PC.  I have a working webcam, microphone/headphones combo. and I have Skype installed
[05:33] <xubuntu885> It is set to boot without a password and I am attempting to place skype in the startup menu.  I have located sessions and startup.  I have clicked on “add” and I have found the “add application” box.  I have clicked on the blue icon and slammed up against a brick wall called “select a command”.    This is one of those “issues” areas that fail to give me a clue as to what to do next.  Would you please be so kind a
[05:34] <Sysi> did you try "skype"
[05:35] <xubuntu885> yes, but the OK did not darken
[05:35] <Sysi> you could also just set it to open session that has skype saved in
[05:36] <well_laid_lawn> wouldn't it be /usr/bin/skype for the command
[05:36] <xubuntu885> great, how do I do that . .. where in the file system is "Skype" located?
[05:36] <xubuntu885> WOW !!!!!!!!!!!! thanks
[05:37] <xubuntu885> GTG4now 2 try it
[05:38] <xubuntu885> Hey
[05:38] <xubuntu885> it really worked . . .  thanks
[05:38] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[06:30] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[06:30] <kamilnadeem> Spell check not working Xubuntu 12.04?
[06:31] <kamilnadeem> it is a Libre office prob I suppose
[06:49] <Os_Maleus> Hi together!
[06:49] <Os_Maleus> Can somebody tell me, how I can start an application in a certain workspace?
[06:49] <Noah> You mean force it to open in a certain workspace every time?
[06:50] <Sysi> check out wmctrl and devilspie
[06:50] <Os_Maleus> not every time. just once. starting it from the terminal.
[06:52] <Noah> I think wmctrl would be the best bet then, I'll have to experiment with it it later, because I'd like to know too
[06:58] <Os_Maleus> thanks for answers!
[08:56] <Kingsy> do you guys generally do any mods to xubuntu? or do you just use it straight out of the box?
[08:57] <Sysi> I use default theme, about everything else in UI is tweaked to please me
[08:58] <Sysi> hotkeys, panels, menu, wallpaper, apps
[08:58] <Kingsy> what about the kernel.. xubuntu only gets shipped wiht 3.0.0-17-generic
[08:58] <Kingsy> the latest is like 3.3.2
[08:58] <Sysi> if it works, no reason to change
[08:59] <Kingsy> yeah I guess, I am basically looking to learn more about linux see. and I think upgrading the kernel to newst is a goooood excercise.. reckon its pointless ?
[09:00] <Sysi> installing something with package manager hardly teaches everything and compiling is far less useful than many other things you could do
[09:01] <Sysi> if you know command line usage, make a server, or you could start reading about upstart (or systemd)
[09:02] <Kingsy> you can install the latest version with apt-get can you? this is what I mean, I am a little hazy about what things can do
[09:02] <Kingsy> what is selinux?
[09:02] <Sysi> newest kernel? if there's repository containing it
[09:02] <Sysi> selinux is some weird security system
[09:03] <Sysi> offers sandboxing and something and weird problems
[09:03] <Kingsy> that is another thing, I would like to know how to make my own repo.. I am unsure of third party repos etc.. how to use them..
[09:04] <Kingsy> yeah just a thought of something I could install and configure on my vps as an exercise
[09:04] <Sysi> "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" is about everything you need to know
[09:05] <Sysi> after adding line (repository URI) there you run "apt-get update" and then install what you need from that repo
[09:05] <Kingsy> right, I guess I will google that then
[09:06] <Kingsy> btw.. when does 12.04 come out ?
[09:06] <Sysi> repository URIs can also be in files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[09:06] <Kingsy> should be this month right ?
[09:06] <Sysi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[09:06] <Kingsy> april 26th
[09:08] <Kingsy> how do you usually upgrade the distro? do you do it via the package manager? or do you do a full re-install ?
[09:09] <Sysi> I usually reinstall, can check out new system when running from cd/usb and get working clean system
[09:10] <Sysi> upgrading is kinda likely to cause problems, but when it goes as it should it's nice
[09:11] <Kingsy> but if you install it form clean, that means you loose all apps you installed.
[09:11] <Kingsy> so.. apache, mysql, blah blah.. all gone
[09:12] <Sysi> I don't need database or webserver
[09:12] <Kingsy> what about all of the other applications you have installed ?
[09:13] <Kingsy> I guess alot of settings are saved in /home/
[09:13] <Sysi> all your personal settings
[09:14] <Sysi> it's not that bad to install music player, movie player, mp3 codec and adobe flash
[09:14] <Kingsy> yeah I guess
[09:14] <Kingsy> as a side point, I thought xubuntu shipped with flash installed?
[09:14] <Kingsy> also I have never had to install a mp3 codec.. unless it installed it when I installed vlc
[09:15] <Sysi> it can't because of licences
[09:15] <Sysi> sounds like you've installed xubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:15] <Kingsy> oh, is this so you can play CD's not just files?
[09:16] <Sysi> no, but restricted-extras includes flash and mp3 support
[09:17] <Kingsy> I cant remember installing that.. but whatever
[09:30] <Saurabh_123> Who sponsors Xubuntu?
[09:39] <Sysi> canonical
[09:41] <babble> Kingsy: if you're concerned about third-party repos, in *most* cases on Ubuntu, that will mean a PPA (Personal Package Archive) which is built from source packages uploaded to Canonical's project hosting system (Launchpad) - the upshot is, even for third party (non-repo) packages, most of the time you can get the source.
[09:44] <Saurabh_123> Hello babble
[09:44] <Saurabh_123> how r u?
[09:44] <babble> hello, Saurabh_123
[09:45] <babble> Saurabh_123: if you want to chat, I'm in -offtopic. #xubuntu is usually restricted to support.
[09:45] <Saurabh_123> ok babble
[09:46] <Saurabh_123> I tried ur xfce deb packages
[09:46] <babble> having trouble?
[09:46] <Saurabh_123> it worked fine, but I didn't saw any significant changes in xfce
[09:46] <babble> no, as I said, Xfce isn't really doing a huge UI change.
[09:47] <babble> it's an evolution, not a revolution.
[09:47] <Saurabh_123> there was a little problem with the panel though, but it was fixed by expanding the seperator
[09:47] <Saurabh_123> ok
[09:47] <babble> I think there's a new flag in the separator type and the "old" expanding separator doesn't use it, so panel falls back to making that just a generic separator.
[09:48] <babble> but it's not difficult to fix
[09:48] <Saurabh_123> yeah it was easy to fix
[09:49] <Saurabh_123> babble, u find any luck with mintmenu?
[09:49] <babble> Saurabh_123: I haven't tried.
[09:50] <babble> Saurabh_123: but as I said when we last talked, it's likely, given that xfapplet is unlikely to see much work going forward, that your best bet is to run Cinnamon
[09:50] <Saurabh_123> mintmenu in linux mint repository has mate dependencies, and I think xfapplet doesn't recognise that
[09:50] <babble> Saurabh_123: Gnome 2 panel applets are deprecated in Gnome, so I wouldn't expect to see Gnome 2 panel applet support cobbled together in other desktops forever
[09:51] <Saurabh_123> but cinnamon doesn't work on xubuntu, thats the problem
[09:51] <babble> I don't have a solution that gives you mintmenu and xubuntu.
[09:51] <babble> the ways it worked depended on largely unsupported packages.
[09:52] <Saurabh_123> babble, is gtk 2 still supported?
[09:52] <babble> and, as I said when we last spoke, Mint seems to be focusing on its gnome (3) shell extensions at this point.
[09:53] <babble> 4.10 is still using gtk2; gtk3 applications from Gnome will run, and I'm relatively sure gtk3 support throughout xfce is on the roadmap eventually, but it may depend on what you mean by "supported."
[09:53] <babble> Does 4.10 use gtk2? Yes.
[09:54] <babble> Does 4.10 run gtk3 applications? Yes.
[09:54] <Saurabh_123> ok
[10:45] <martinphone> is the release candidate out yet?
[10:47] <Sysi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[11:53] <babble> hm. is there a way for me to run a 32-bit Pidgin shared library in 64-bit Pidgin?
[11:58] <prot0> Hi, when on battery power, the screen brightness increases spontaneously every now and then, how can I fix this?
[12:07] <justanick> Hello, is it possible to use the xubuntu session settings also with a nx remote connection?
[12:13] <babble> justanick: just doing a quick google, it looks like there are workarounds to get Unity 2D working, so I suspect a Xubuntu session *should* work.
[12:13] <babble> have you tried it with the Xfce session in Xubuntu? If *that* works, the Xubuntu session should.
[12:14] <justanick> The xfce session is wodrking
[12:14] <babble> but the Xubuntu session breaks?
[12:14] <justanick> working
[12:15] <justanick> I start the xfce session with startxfce4 and have no option to choose the Xubuntu session.
[12:15] <babble> ahh.
[12:16] <babble> that's not - to my knowledge - using either the Xfce or Xubuntu lightdm-selectable sessions, but an xfce fallback
[12:16] <babble> let me dig through the start script and see what it accepts from the commandline tho
[12:24] <babble> aha!
[12:24] <babble> what happens if you try:
[12:24] <babble> xfce4-session (i.e. launching the session manager as your regular user?)
[12:26] <justanick> The session will be a xfce session.
[12:26] <babble> have you set Xubuntu as your default lightdm session?
[12:27] <justanick> Yes
[12:27] <babble> I think the session manager will use the lightdm config
[12:27] <justanick> Is there a way to check this?
[12:28] <babble> you could launch the session manager
[12:30] <babble> i.e. try it - worst that could happen is a) it crashes on the commandline and quits, b) it starts the fallback xfce session you're already able to get...
[12:30] <babble> or c) it works.
[12:32] <justanick> The session manager will show up the xfce session.
[12:32] <babble> are you saying yes, you've done this and it starts the fallback xfce session, or are you assuming that's what will happen because startxfce4 doesn't do what you want?
[12:33] <justanick> I say, it does start xfce, because I have tested it.
[12:33] <babble> that's what I asked twice.
[12:34] <babble> in any event, let me keep looking for you.
[12:35] <justanick> Justanick2=justanick -> changing system
[12:36] <babble> there's a forum thread that describes your issue:
[12:36] <babble> Try this: Instead of using startxfce4, use startx and the DISPLAY_SESSION environment variable.
[12:36] <babble> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1895108
[12:37] <babble> startxfce4 from the commandline isn't setting up /etc/xdg/xububtu in its config path
[12:38] <babble> or rather /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu
[13:08] <justanick2> babble: The selection of the session is not possible through the env DISPLAY_SESSION
[13:08] <justanick2> Could it be changed for xubuntu 12.04?
[13:08] <babble> justanick2: I dunno, but in any event, why not configure the xfce session it's loading the way you want?
[13:08] <justanick2> startx ends up with a default xfce session
[13:09] <babble> fine, but other than the time to do it, why not configure the xfce session the way you want, at this point, rather than continually trying to work around it?
[13:09] <justanick2> Yes, it may be the faster solution ;)
[13:12] <babble> in any case, it looks like startx and startxfce4 from the commandline aren't inheriting the xdg-xubuntu config directory, that's likely set in lightdm's configuration someplace, and then inherrited by the rest
[13:12] <babble> I wonder if it would work if you added it as a configuration path in your bashrc?
[13:15] <babble> did you make the config path changes that forum poster recommended to add xdg-xubuntu before trying startx?
[13:16] <babble> brb, trying.
[13:19] <babble> justanick2: okay, I just tested this
[13:19] <babble> it works for me.
[13:19] <babble> set DISPLAY_SESSION=xubuntu in your environment variables.
[13:19] <babble> env DISPLAY_SESSION=xububtu
[13:20] <babble> with that set, startx loaded my xubuntu session from tty1
[13:20] <babble> (I had lightdm killed, so I know I wasn't loading the usual lightdm session)
[13:20] <babble> if you set that in your bashrc, startx should do what you expect.
[13:22] <justanick2> Okay, I will try this on a fresh version. On the moment I still ends in a xfce session.
[13:22] <f11f12> Hello, installing the xubuntu-12.04-beta2-x86.iso on vmware 3.1.3 on Windows XP fails. It starts up and tells me that VMware easy install is working, but nothing happend and I see no process that could be related (after cmdline login)
[13:23] <justanick2> Im using Vmware Player 4.0.2 on Win7
[13:23] <babble> f11f12: have you only tried doing the easy installation from VMWare? What happens if you simply try to boot to the desktop on the Live image and run the installation normally?
[13:23] <f11f12> Does it work?
[13:24] <justanick2> For me it is working but I'm using the 64bit edition
[13:24] <f11f12> babble: how can I disable easy install? when I select the iso image it tells me "ubuntu 12.04" has been detected!
[13:24] <babble> I don't recall precisely in VMWare (it's been a while), but there should be an option to disable easy installation from the VM setup
[13:25] <justanick2> Don't select the iso in the first step. Create the system and select than the iso
[13:25] <babble> justanick2: thanks :)
[13:26] <f11f12> justanick2: thanks! that's it
[13:26] <f11f12> .... installing, please wait :-)
[13:27] <justanick2> ... doing the same ;)
[13:44] <f11f12> ...installing VMware tools...
[13:47] <babble> that sounds like progress.
[13:49] <hoodedice> Hi
[13:50] <hoodedice> Does Xubuntu install drivers during installation,or do I have to get em seperately?
[13:51] <hoodedice> Well?
[13:54] <Sysi> they're there by default, except some graphics drivers
[13:55] <hoodedice> How do I find out which ones are installed?
[13:55] <justanick2> babble: You have only added "env DISPLAY_SESSION=xubuntu" to your .bashrc and the command startx starts the xubuntu session?
[13:55] <babble> I didn't add it to bashrc - I just did it as an environment variable
[13:55] <justanick2> Just tested on a new installation and I still end up in a xfce session.
[13:55] <babble> if you're adding it to bashrc, you'll need to reload bashrc or log out and back in for that to become active
[13:55] <babble> or add it as a shell variable on the commandline now
[13:56] <justanick2> Have done a reboot after the bashrc edit
[13:56] <babble> what's in your config path right now?
[13:57] <babble> from the commandline, on that machine?
[13:58] <justanick2> /etc/xdg
[13:59] <babble> you need the xdg-xubuntu config directory
[13:59] <babble> mine is the following:
[13:59] <babble> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu:/etc/xdg:/usr/local/etc/xdg
[14:00] <derperado> giog
[14:06] <justanick2> If I set XDG_CONFIG_DIRS in the commandline, it will be set back to /etc/xdg after the command startx
[14:06] <babble> it shouldn't if you set it in bashrc
[14:06] <babble> again, I *just* tested this.
[14:07] <babble> are you again assuming this is the way things are going to work, or are you telling me you're trying this?
[14:08] <justanick2> I'm trying this
[14:08] <babble> let me reboot completely and see if I can replicate whatever you're doing
[14:16] <Alan> <3 xubuntu
[14:17] <babble> okay.
[14:17] <Alan> sorry, just had to say that... every single release of ubuntu gives me a renewed appreciation for developers who *aren't* hellbent on turning the desktop into a featureless tablet
[14:17] <babble> with DISPLAY_SESSION=xubuntu set in my bashrc, I'm still getting my regular Xubuntu session.
[14:18] <babble> I can't say what may be missing on your installation, but did you try the symlinks suggested in that forum post as well?
[14:18] <babble> that, or at this point, it *really* may be quicker to just configure the xfce session the way you want, I think.
[14:18] <justanick> Sure I think I will do it
[14:19] <justanick> This is in my .bashrc
[14:19] <justanick> #session selection
[14:19] <justanick> env DISPLAY_SESSION=xubuntu
[14:19] <justanick> env XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu:/etc/xdg:/usr/local/etc/xdg
[14:19] <babble> try adding the XDG_DATA_DIRS from the regular lightdm session too
[14:19] <babble> XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/xubuntu:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/usr/local/share
[14:20] <babble> a potentially probitive (or stupid) question: is this a headless machine? Have you verified that the usual lightdm Xubuntu session even works?
[14:22] <justanick2> It is virtual machine. It is not headless
[14:22] <babble> the point I'm getting at is: does the usual lightdm session work?
[14:22] <babble> you've verified that it does?
[14:23] <justanick2> Yes it does work. I can use the Xubunt session from the greeter. The Xubuntu is also pre selected
[14:24] <babble> okay, so that out of the way, what if you stuck the entire printenv from that lightdm session in your .bashrc from the console?
[14:24] <f11f12> Ok, it works fine here too! It's just the VMware default install "helper" which fails.
[14:24] <f11f12> Thanks!
[14:24] <babble> (though, I think the XDG directories should do the trick)
[14:28] <mamuskus> Hi !
[14:28] <babble> hi, mamuskus
[14:28] <mamuskus> xubuntu is great ... is what ubuntu should be
[14:29] <babble> come tell us all about it in #xububtu-offtopic
[14:29] <mamuskus> none the direction/road to unity
[14:35] <justanick2> babble: I have replaced env through export in the .bashrc and it works.
[14:35] <babble> huzzah!
[14:36] <justanick2> Any idea why this will work?
[14:36] <babble> okay, it's something I missed from the lightdm config, then, but if the whole config works, good enough
[14:36] <babble> oh, I'll dig around and see what the heck lightdm is setting that the console doesn't have initially, but as long as it works, that's good enough, isn't it?
[14:37] <justanick2> Sure it is.
[14:37] <babble> if you ever *want* the xfce session from that console login, you
[14:37] <justanick2> Thank you for the help.
[14:37] <babble> you may want to keep the DISPLAY_SESSION variable in there, commented out
[14:37] <justanick2> Okay
[14:43] <PsynoKhi0> hi, testing 12.04 beta 2 in vbox... really liking what I see so far
[14:44] <bazhang> PsynoKhi0, support and discussion in #ubuntu+1 please
[14:44] <PsynoKhi0> erm oh
[14:45] <PsynoKhi0> sorry
[14:45] <joe-cool> hi @ all
[14:45] <joe-cool> im using xfce with some gnome applications with some trouble
[14:46] <ickefes> hi guys. how is it possible to define a folder as img src? i noticed ti when i looked at this page over on xubuntus site which has a html code to add a countdown to your own website?
[14:46] <joe-cool> when i start for example gedit the program starts but the menu bar appears a bit later
[14:46] <ickefes> a html question and not xubuntu if that is ok.
[14:48] <joe-cool> ickefes, didnt get your question...
[14:48] <joe-cool> you wanna include a folder as image?
[14:49] <ickefes> sorry.. i am used to having to point to a jpg, gif, png etc when i try to make a img src="" with html but i noticed that on xubuntus site they define a folder and not a file (jpg, gif, png) as img src
[14:49] <ickefes> is this something new to html or is it just my newbie knowledge that is not up to par?
[14:49] <ickefes> <img src="http://xubuntu.org/countdown/" alt="Countdown to Xubuntu 12.04" />
[14:50] <joe-cool> ah okay.... havnt seen that before... give it a try and look what happens ;-)
[14:51] <ickefes> i guess the folder has to only contain one file and that is a picture in probably jpg, gif or png format?
[14:52] <ickefes> yeah, i will try it out. too bad i have to make some food right now or i will go crazy from low sugar or something :)
[14:52] <ickefes> thanks for the help joe-cool
[14:54] <babble> ickefes: they're pointing at the directory so they don't have to specify each image for the countdown
[14:55] <joe-cool> anyone knows sth about the menu delay in gnome applications?
[14:56] <babble> joe-cool: can I have an example application? I'm not notiticing a delay in gnome apps I regularly use.
[14:56] <ickefes> there are two img src that both link to the same location but they are different images. well, the second link has /?alt=w at the end
[14:56] <babble> the alt tag is just text
[14:56] <babble> hover over the countdown on Xubuntu.org
[14:57] <joe-cool> babble: perhaps in gnome-terminal or gedit
[14:57] <babble> alt is part of the HTML 4/5 spec for folks who may be using screenreaders or other accessibility devices.
[14:57] <babble> (it's required for valid HTML 4/5 for accessibility reasons)
[14:58] <babble> joe-cool: I don't use gnome-terminal but I do use gedit
[14:58] <joe-cool> babble, its in gedit too
[14:58] <joe-cool> in thunar or mousepad it isnt
[14:58] <babble> joe-cool: I understand that, but I'm not getting a menu delay in gedit, is the point.
[14:58] <joe-cool> okay
[14:58] <babble> joe-cool: do you have Gnome Services enabled?
[14:58] <joe-cool> what service for example?
[14:59] <babble> in System Settings > Session and Startup > Advanced, do you have Gnome Services enabled?
[14:59] <joe-cool> i cant see a entry lkike this in my startups
[14:59] <joe-cool> ahh
[15:00] <babble> Open Settings Manager
[15:00] <babble> then Session and Startup
[15:00] <joe-cool> Loaf Runtime for gnome at startup
[15:00] <babble> then click on Advanced
[15:00] <babble> and yes, Load Gnome Services on Startup
[15:00] <joe-cool> was disabled
[15:00] <babble> then log out and back in and see if your delay goes away
[15:00] <joe-cool> i'll give it atry
[15:00] <joe-cool> i'll be back in a second
[15:03] <joe-cool> re
[15:03] <joe-cool> that was not the trick...
[15:03] <babble> better?
[15:03] <joe-cool> noi..
[15:03] <babble> Ideally, I'd need to get a look at whatever else you're running that may be lagging gnome services for one reason or another.
[15:05] <joe-cool> hm..
[15:05] <joe-cool> when i start nautilus from terminal i get many of this error: (nautilus:2125): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_value_get_object: assertion `G_VALUE_HOLDS_OBJECT (value)' failed
[15:06] <joe-cool> is it possible to run gedit with debug output?
[15:06] <PsynoKhi0>  9
[15:07] <PsynoKhi0> wrong window >.<
[15:07] <joe-cool> ^^
[15:07] <joe-cool> better that typing youporn.com in wrong windows :-D
[15:08] <joe-cool> so babble, any further ideas?
[15:08] <joe-cool> what outputs culd help?
[15:09] <joe-cool> i also tried reinstalling gtk-engine - with no effect
[15:10] <babble> how are you launching natutilus from the commandline?
[15:10] <joe-cool> nautilus --no-desktop
[15:12] <joe-cool> when i installed xubuntu and installed these gnome-apps everyxthing was fine.. but after some time this problem began... dont know why
[15:13] <joe-cool> when i installed xubuntu and installed these gnome-apps everyxthing was fine.. but after some time this problem began... dont know why
[15:14] <babble> without knowing everything else you're running, a guess from my end would likely be meaningless.
[15:18] <joe-cool> babble, what infos do you need?
[15:20] <babble> nothing I can troubleshoot simply over IRC
[15:21] <joe-cool> hm okay, however, thanks a lot ;-)
[15:21] <babble> you may try gconf cleaner (back up your existing gconf database with it *first*, in case it cleans too many keys)
[15:22] <joe-cool> ah thats an idea... didnt know sth like this exists
[15:22] <babble> sudo apt-get install gconf-cleaner
[15:23] <babble> if that fails, I got it from a PPA and I'll go find that for you as well
[15:23] <joe-cool> installation progress is running ;-)
[15:26] <joe-cool> no effect -.-
[15:27] <joe-cool> i ve never had such a problem before...
[16:26] <derperado> xubuntu 12.04 beta 2 64 bits with google earth last stable release: it works slower than with ubuntu 11.10 32 bitsa
[16:26] <derperado> is it just me?
[16:26] <derperado> is it because is a beta?
[16:26] <derperado> is it because I have 64 bits with just 2GB RAM in 1 slot?
[16:29] <baizon> yes indeed 2GB is not much
[16:29] <baizon> i mean when i open firefox 1GB is already used
[16:37] <baizon> check your memory usage
[17:15] <n-iCe> hi
[17:18] <babble> hello n-iCe
[17:49] <flux242> hi, It seems like I cannot figure out how to create a mounting icon for a fstab entry. There are some icons already on the desktop to mount block devices but not for all fstab entries. So I need to create one myself. What I need is not a launcher icon but a mount/umount icon
[17:49] <n-iCe> uhm, I'm busy at the moment
[17:49] <n-iCe> give me a sec
[17:50] <n-iCe> if you create a folder: sudo mkdir /mnt/nice/
[17:50] <n-iCe> and you mount , sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/nice/
[17:50] <n-iCe> there is no icon on desktop?
[17:50] <n-iCe> I don't remember that
[17:51] <flux242> there are already icons for all block defices in fstab
[17:51] <flux242> devices
[17:52] <n-iCe> uhm, I think I'm not getting you
[17:53] <flux242> I'm mounting a davfs. It's defined in the fstab. I can mount it using 'mount /media/box.com'. I need an icon for that on the desktop
[17:55] <flux242> and no, there is no icon appearing automatically on the desktop after I mount my davfs
[17:57] <flux242> the same for cifs mount I have defined in my fstab
[17:58] <n-iCe> uhm
[17:59] <n-iCe> don't know I think about group levels
[17:59] <n-iCe> user/group priveleges
[17:59] <n-iCe> or permissions
[17:59] <n-iCe> set the permissions to 755
[17:59] <n-iCe> and try
[18:00] <flux242> permissions of what?
[19:34] <shpngld> Hello everybody! I will be really happy if someone helps me! Im using xubuntu11 04. The web browser I use is Chromium, my torrent client is Flush and listen to Music with VLC player. quite often I got a problem while browsing : Error 105 (net::ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED): Unable to resolve the server's DNS address." In the same time the Online radio I usually enjoy doesnt stops and the stream is OK. The torrent transfer r OK
[19:34] <shpngld> too no problems...but the browsing faioled..I have to wait for a few minutes sometimes, then F5 and eventually all seems back to noprmal...for a while...What can I do to fix the problem?
[19:53] <martinphone> have you officially released a candidate today?
[20:59] <xubuntu274> Having moved from mint i use keyboard shortcuts but what is the command in xfce to switch workspace left and right?
[20:59] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[20:59] <babble> xubuntu274: one moment
[21:00] <xubuntu274> ok thanks
[21:00] <babble> the default is in Settings Manager > Window Manager > Keyboard
[21:00] <babble> (you can change the workspace switcher to whatever you want)
[21:00] <ThePendulum> I was wondering; If I build and configure a NAS, will it show up in the Network folder?
[21:00] <ThePendulum> *directory
[21:00] <babble> (but let me find the default)
[21:00] <babble> ThePendulum: if you configure it so that it's serving something gvfs-backends understands, yes.
[21:01] <babble> (typically smb)
[21:01] <ThePendulum> babble: Planning to run FreeNAS on the... NAS
[21:01] <xubuntu274> babble thanks i was in keyboard settings just i use my keyboard shortcuts all the time couldn't live without them but loving xubuntu
[21:01] <babble> ThePendulum: I'm not familliar enough with FreeNAS, but you should be able to do plain vanilla smb that it will see, or zeroconf any-number-of-things it will see.
[21:02] <babble> xubuntu274: Next and Previous workspace by default are Alt-Control-Home (Previous) and Alt-Control-End (Nex)
[21:02] <babble> (next)
[21:03] <xubuntu274> with FreeNAS you can just setup a smb share which you can find easily enough on your network
[21:03] <ThePendulum> babble: Aren't the arrow keys easier to use (rather than Home and End)?
[21:03] <babble> arghm, sorry, no, that moves your active window.
[21:03] <ThePendulum> xubuntu274: Alright, thanks
[21:03] <babble> I'm looking at the wrong key
[21:03] <babble> ThePendulum: hey, isn't that what I just finished saying? heh.
[21:03] <xubuntu274> Ah its ok i have found it can i change it?
[21:04] <babble> double click the right half of the entry - where the keyboard shortcut is
[21:04] <ThePendulum> babble: Yes, indeed. I'm sorry for forgetting to thank you. Thank you.
[21:04] <babble> ThePendulum: hehe. I'm kidding :)
[21:05] <xubuntu274> Thanks babble this could take some getting used to, but loving xfce and xubuntu
[21:05] <ThePendulum> Does anyone happen to have some hardware knowledge? I'd like to get a little feedback on the NAS PC I am going to build soonly. In private, if you guys wish.
[21:05] <babble> I'm very happy with Xubuntu
[21:05] <ThePendulum> Same here, Xubuntu was exactly what I needed when Ubuntu decided to go full retard with Unity and Gnome 3.2
[21:05] <babble> *eyeroll.
[21:06] <babble> language, folks. The nephew is within reading distance of my computer, this late in the day, plz.
[21:06] <ThePendulum> Is it really that offensive?
[21:07] <babble> ThePendulum: Yes.
[21:07] <xubuntu274> Yea im the same but also my pc is getting older and graphics aint so good so the lighter desktop helps
[21:07] <ThePendulum> Oh, I'm very sorry. I didn't realize.
[21:07] <babble> ThePendulum: he sees "retard" and - because he *has* a cognitive disability - doesn't understand you aren't making fun of him.
[21:08] <xubuntu274> also will i be able just to update from the 12.04 beta 2 to 12.04 or do a manual re install?
[21:08] <ThePendulum> babble: I didn't know that, I'm sorry. I am making fun of Canonical, as appropriate.
[21:08] <babble> xubuntu274: if you trust using the update manager, you can, yes.
[21:08] <babble> folks report varying levels of success with in-place upgrades.
[21:08] <ThePendulum> xubuntu274: Running Xubuntu on a fairly new build with an AMD Phenon II X6 1090T, 8GB of RAM and a Radeon 6850 graphics card. Xubuntu is bottlenecking the system a bit, but it's worth it.
[21:09] <xubuntu274> well all my docs etc are stored on my server and off my pc
[21:09] <babble> ThePendulum: if you wouldn't use a racial or religious slur to express your displeasure at Canonical, using things that are still socially acceptable slurs are no less hurtful to the folks slurred BY them.
[21:09] <xubuntu274> ThePendulum i have an old IBM thinkpad that i didnt use so decided to stick linux onto it and now i use that about 80% instead of windows
[21:09] <ThePendulum> babble: I didn't realize it wasn't socially accepted, as I've heard it quite a lot all around.
[21:10] <babble> ThePendulum: the issue isn't social acceptability or unacceptability
[21:10] <ThePendulum> xubuntu274: Linux is nearly always the CPR of old systems
[21:10] <babble> persons of color were routinely called 'coons,' as well.
[21:11] <ThePendulum> babble: Honestly, I didn't really realize the word actually (still) referred to certain people
[21:11] <xubuntu274> ThePendulum i am planning on upgrading when i start uni next year, but till now this old thinkpad does ok for what i need
[21:12] <babble> ThePendulum: It does (which is why it's used as an insult in the first place. If it was value-neutral, it wouldn't have any meaning as an expression of displeasure at Canonical. It would be like saying Canonical's a blue pitcher since moving to Unity.)
[21:12] <ThePendulum> I am very sorry
[21:12] <xubuntu274> and i think i have now found the distro i want to settle down for the last year and a half as i ajjust to linux i have jumped arround allot but don't like gnome 3 or unity
[21:12] <babble> its association with cognitive impairment is *why* it gets used as an insult in other contexts.
[21:13] <ThePendulum> babble: I didn't realize it had more impact than words like 'silly' or 'ridiculous'
[21:13] <babble> then say "silly" or "ridiculous" which would be appropriate and doesn't refer to any specific group of people.
[21:14] <babble> again, would it read differently to you if I'd said "Canonical has really jewed us by moving to Unity?"
[21:14] <babble> what I'm saying is that Jewishness is bad, not just that Unity is unacceptable.
[21:14] <xubuntu274> Anyway guys thanks for your help :D
[21:14] <ThePendulum> babble: I completely agree, but you have to be aware of the fact that a certain word is still charged
[21:14] <babble> ThePendulum: I'm not faulting you for not realizing
[21:15] <babble> ThePendulum: I am saying, now that you know, bear in mind, there just may be somebody on the other end reading what you say
[21:15] <ThePendulum> babble: English isn't my native language, so when a word is used really often and no one mentions the fact it could be really insulting, it doesn't occur to me that it could be
[21:15] <ThePendulum> Simply because it doesn't relate to the Dutch word at all
[21:16] <babble> Now that you know, bear in mind that you can't always assume that everybody on the other end isn't going to be the target
[21:16] <babble> you wouldn't use a racial or religious epithet, because there's at least a decent chance that somebody on the receiving end might be jewish or catholic or muslim or whatever.
[21:16] <babble> or irish or dutch or african
[21:16] <babble> etc. etc. etc.
[21:16] <babble> this is no different.
[21:16] <ThePendulum> babble: I have always kept that in mind, and I usually never use words like that, given I know that it's actually still related to something rather loaded
[21:17] <babble> if it *weren't* it wouldn't be used to express displeasure.
[21:17] <ThePendulum> babble: There are plenty of words that are nothing more than words and are used to express displeasure
[21:18] <babble> "retard" isn't one of them, any more than "kiked" or "jewed"
[21:18] <babble> not all words are (or can be) divorced of any previous context
[21:18] <ThePendulum> I just didn't know that and I am sorry
[21:19] <ThePendulum> I considered the word the be an expression of decrease, which it is, but I didn't know it was used to name a person's state of mind
[21:20] <babble> if it matters enough, now that you know, choose differently next time.
[21:20] <ThePendulum> Of course I will
[21:21] <babble> if it doesn't matter, that's fine too, and I'll do whatever I need to do
[21:23] <ThePendulum> I am absolutely not the kind of person that tries to verbally insult someone using very real very uncomfortable situations
[21:23] <ThePendulum> Absolutely not. But I'm afraid I can't help saying a certain word when I am not aware of its alternative meaning.
[21:24] <ThePendulum> It has never happened to me before either
[21:26] <babble> ui./7]jjjj7nnnnnnn66666<iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[21:40] <babble> (sorry about that - that was the cat)
[21:48] <Arthur_D> hi, I'm trying to record with Audacity, but all sound coming to Line In is being output to the speakers as well while recording (and also when not recording). How to turn off this monitoring?
[21:48] <babble> Arthur_D: depending on what you need PulseAudio Volume Control, or JACK may work
[21:48] <babble> if you need more routing that pavucontrol will do, you'll want JACK
[21:49] <babble> if you just want to mute the output monitor, pavucontrol should do
[21:49] <Arthur_D> yeah, I have that
[21:49] <Arthur_D> but what do I turn off?
[21:50] <babble> Look in your input section and show all streams
[21:50] <babble> mute the monitor of your recording source.
[21:50] <babble> if your recording source is line in, there's also a "monitor of line in" virtual stream.
[21:51] <Arthur_D> yeah, but that doesn't show any volume changes as the others do, so I'm not sure if it actually has something to do with it?
[21:51] <babble> can you send me a screenshot of your Output section, with all output streams showing?
[21:54] <babble> actually, we can route this another way
[21:54] <babble> what do you have set as your input that you're using as your recording source in audacity?
[21:54] <Arthur_D> sure
[21:54] <Arthur_D> just a minute
[21:54] <babble> I think I have a better solution.
[21:55] <babble> if you set audacity to record from the monitor of your sound card (the virtual monitor device) instead of the internal mic, it won't matter that there's also sound being routed to your speakers.
[21:55] <babble> it will grab audio directly from the soundcard, and ignore the mic input
[22:02] <Arthur_D> sorry, I'm on a quite unstable wireless connection
[22:04] <Arthur_D> http://i.imgur.com/Oq16k.png and http://i.imgur.com/1fP2o.png shows my PulseAudio inputs and outputs
[22:05] <babble> I think I have a better solution.
[22:05] <babble> in your recording section, you should have an entry for Audacity
[22:05] <Arthur_D> yeah, as long as I'm recording
[22:05] <babble> if you don't, click the monitoring meters in Audacity and it will start "recording" (not really) as far as Pavucontrol is concerned.
[22:06] <babble> it doesn't need to be when audacity is actually recording.
[22:06] <babble> clicking the monitoring meters in audacity is enough
[22:06] <Arthur_D> so I set that to "Monitor of internal blah blah"?
[22:06] <babble> Yep
[22:06] <babble> if you record directly from the soundcard, it won't matter than audio is also being routed to your speakers.
[22:06] <babble> which you can mute, or not, if you wish
[22:07] <Arthur_D> actually, that had quite the opposite effect of what I wanted
[22:07] <Arthur_D> no sound is recorded now, but I still hear myself from the speakers
[22:07] <babble> perhaps I'm not clear on what you actually do want. Let me try and walk myself through what you have.
[22:08] <babble> 1. You're using a patch cable to route analog audio from <some external source> to a mic input or a line-in input on your machine?
[22:09] <Arthur_D> yes
[22:09] <babble> 2. Can you start <external source> playing right now?
[22:09] <Arthur_D> well, actually not quite
[22:09] <babble> I want to make sure you can see that there's actually signal coming from the source into your input
[22:09] <Arthur_D> I'm using a microphone via a hardware mixer to the Line In input of my soundcard
[22:10] <babble> well, speak a few mic checks or something.
[22:10] <Arthur_D> yeah, doing that all the time
[22:10] <babble> Does audacity's recording monitor (red bars) see anything?
[22:11] <Arthur_D> not if I set it in pavucontrol to record "Monitor of blah blah" rather than just "Blah blah blah"
[22:11] <babble> Set Audacity so it can actually get a signal.
[22:11] <babble> We'll sort out the other half once we know Audacity can record.
[22:12] <Arthur_D> ok, that was achieved by putting it back to do ALSA capture from Built-In Analog Stereo
[22:12] <Arthur_D> in pavucontrol
[22:12] <babble> fine.
[22:13] <Arthur_D> I just don't want it to route to speakers at the same time
[22:13] <babble> now, if you simply mute your built in audio output in pavucontrol, that shouldn't make any difference to whatever you've set in the input
[22:13] <Arthur_D> true
[22:14] <babble> so, mute that built-in output
[22:14] <babble> you'll just need to go back and unmute it when you're ready to check your recorded audio
[22:14] <babble> that or instal JACK and do a custom routing, which will be more to set up
[22:15] <Arthur_D> well, I already have JACK, but I'm not sure if I want to make things more complex than it is. Thank you for your help nevertheless :)
[22:15] <babble> will it give you more or less what you want if you just mute the output?
[22:16] <Arthur_D> well, it is a bit unfortunate having to mute/un-mute all the time
[22:16] <Arthur_D> because I will be doing lots of short recordings, most of which will be scrapped
[22:17] <Arthur_D> trying to do some voice-over lines for a game :)
[22:18] <Arthur_D> another workaround could be using headphones. I'll probably do that instead
[22:18] <Arthur_D> just want to keep things quiet for the rest in the house ;)
[22:19] <babble> hehe.
[22:19] <babble> your only other option I can think of off the top of my head is to route it all explicity through JACK
[22:20] <babble> i.e. set Audacity's input in Jack to <foo> and Audacity's output in JACK to <bar> and don't make any other in or out connections at all.
[22:22] <Arthur_D> I'll keep it in mind, thanks :) Trying to keep the setup as simple as possible though
[22:23] <babble> eh, what I have you doing now may not end up being all that simple.
[22:23] <babble> if you'll be unmuting/remuting all the time.
[22:24] <martinphone> is libreoffice's outlook in xubuntu different than in ubuntu?
[22:25] <martinphone> and earlier today I couldnt copy text from abiword to libreoffice, but that can and should be done, right?
[22:25] <Arthur_D> yeah, that's why I switched to el cheapo earplugs. Not optimal either, but less frustrating ;)
[22:25] <Arthur_D> should probably get me a set of studio earphones one day, but this'll have to do for now
[22:31] <babble> okay :)
[22:33] <Arthur_D> funny, found a setting in the mixer that did what I wanted
[22:33] <Arthur_D> a facepalm may be in order
[22:34] <Arthur_D> because I should have known when I saw it
[22:36] <babble> hehhee
[22:37] <babble> did you just discover mix minus in your mixer?
[22:37] <babble> ;)
[22:38] <Arthur_D> I just discovered that the "Line in" was under "Playback" all along, so muting that made things like I wanted to ^^
[22:38] <babble> hehe
[22:38] <babble> as long as it's working.
[22:38] <Arthur_D> I had seen it before, but not made the mental connection that it was separate from the stuff under the recording tab
[22:39] <babble> eh. mixers confound me to this day
[22:39] <Arthur_D> sure, but it makes me wonder if I shouldn't just go to bed ;)
[22:39] <babble> hehe
[22:40] <Arthur_D> now I just wish that there was any way for me to not sound like a moron on my recordings... ;)
[22:40] <babble> visualize them in their underwear?
[22:42] <Arthur_D> not sure what you're getting at ^^
[22:42] <babble> they say it helps if you're nervous at public speaking.
[22:42] <babble> visualize the Audacity icon in a leetle pair of y-fronts.
[22:43] <babble> heh.
[22:43] <Arthur_D> ^^
[22:43] <babble> hehehe.
[22:43] <Arthur_D> not sure if I want such an image to revolve in my brain :P
[22:44] <babble> hehe. Now that it's there, it's *never* leaving.
[22:44] <babble> in the plus side, you'll be far too worried about app icons in underwear to be concerned with sounding dorky
[22:45] <babble> *on the plus side. sigh.
[22:45] <Arthur_D> right; I'll end up sounding like a maniac
[22:45] <babble> depending on the VO maniacal could be a valid character choice.
[22:45] <Arthur_D> true that
[22:46] <Arthur_D> should get myself a better mic
[22:46] <Arthur_D> or maybe putting something on the one I have as a filter could help
[22:47] <Arthur_D> maybe some underwear would help... AAGH what have you done to me?! ;)