[00:42] <bryceh> jeez, mterri gave me a loose strand of yarn from a sweater...
[04:47] <pitti> Good morning
[04:48] <pitti> robert_ancell: FYI, #u-release wanted an FFE bug for your lightdm upload; it looks good otherwise
[04:48] <pitti> Sweetshark: pong
[04:48] <robert_ancell> pitti, ah, ok
[04:48] <pitti> Laney: it already indicates if there are third-party packages installed
[04:48] <pitti> not third-party sources, though, I believe
[05:22] <didrocks> good morning
[05:22] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:22]  * BigWhale opens one eye.
[05:22] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[05:22] <BigWhale> Morning.
[05:22] <didrocks> morning BigWhale
[05:27] <didrocks> and a first kernel panic of the day
[05:30] <rickspencer3> didrocks, kernel panic? what are you doing?
[05:30] <didrocks> rickspencer3: nothing, it's happening to me approximately every 2 days when my disk is writing a lot
[05:30] <didrocks> rickspencer3: I pinged apw, but as I have no info on disk after reboot…
[06:48] <RAOF> didrocks: Boo.  That's the one on your nvidia machine, then?
[06:48] <didrocks> RAOF: yeah
[06:49] <tjaalton> could be related to the latest update, which upstream admits is buggy
[06:49] <tjaalton> nvidia blob update that is
[06:49] <RAOF> Nah; this has been going on for quite some time, right didrocks?
[06:49] <didrocks> ah? I get it for the past month and half approx, does it make sense?
[06:49] <tjaalton> oh ok, then it's not that
[06:52] <rickspencer3> hey didrocks did those last unity regressions get sorted to your satisfaction?
[06:53] <didrocks> rickspencer3: it did for me indeed. There are some other perf issues that have a fix pending, but it's only when the dash is opened. The safer at this stage is a SRU IMHO. I plan to get every fixes merges for next Thursday, to push in -proposed by then
[07:01] <rickspencer3> didrocks, thanks for the update
[07:01] <didrocks> yw :)
[07:37] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:40] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson, everyone: g'mornin'
[07:40] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[07:40] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson, Sweetshark
[07:41] <Sweetshark> pitti: bug 984942 is evil.
[07:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 984942 in libreoffice "LO help appears partially untranslated (dup-of: 957589)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/984942
[07:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 957589 in libreoffice "LibreOffice ignores localized help" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/957589
[07:41] <chrisccoulson> hey Sweetshark, pitti, didrocks
[07:46] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm thinking about tackling a 5-digit bug today!
[07:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: go!
[07:47] <pitti> Sweetshark: urgh, didn't we have a similar issue in Calc the other day?
[07:48] <pitti> Sweetshark: is the corresponding libo-help-XX actually installed?
[07:48] <pitti> Gabor confirmed, I think he checked that
[07:52] <Sweetshark> pitti: it only happens when you have libo-help-en-US installed too. If you uninstall -en-US it works fine.
[07:53] <Sweetshark> pitti: I suspect it to be a secret plot by the french in this channel to break the english monopoly.
[07:54] <didrocks> damned, we have to do something else now :)
[08:05] <didrocks> jibel: hey, is jenkins down? :)
[08:05] <didrocks> ah no, it's up again, I think the 404 error was either in my cache from yesterday or a hickup
[08:12] <seb128> hey
[08:18]  * pitti hugs seb128
[08:19]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[08:19] <seb128> pitti, how are you?
[08:19] <dupondje> please join a private chan for this ... :)
[08:20] <seb128> heh
[08:20] <pitti> seb128: quite fine, thanks; feeling my muscles from TKD training :)
[08:21] <pitti> today I'm glad to have a desk job
[08:21] <seb128> hehe, I guess it's a good thing, some exercice ;-)
[08:21] <seb128> was tkd intense yesterday?
[08:21] <pitti> yeah, quite
[08:27] <rickspencer3> pitti, so, I just used another login account on my system, when I came back to this account, my trackpad was not working
[08:27] <rickspencer3> trackpad works in lightdm and in guest session, though
[08:28] <rickspencer3> I plugging in a mouse, also works
[08:28] <rickspencer3> pitti, any suggestions on how to get debug info?
[08:28] <seb128> rickspencer3, it was working before changing ussers?
[08:28] <seb128> rickspencer3, hey btw ;-)
[08:29] <rickspencer3> hi seb128 ;)
[08:29] <rickspencer3> yes, it wasw working before changing users
[08:29] <rickspencer3> seb128, oh, the buttons work, just not the pointing
[08:29] <pitti> rickspencer3: do you see it in "xinput"?
[08:29] <pitti> ah, you would then, if the buttons work
[08:30] <RAOF> rickspencer3: “synclient -l” lists a bunch of potentially interesting info.
[08:30] <pitti> rickspencer3: hm, I'm afraid I have no off-hand idea; I don't know how input devices work at that level
[08:30] <pitti> ... but RAOF would! ;-)
[08:30]  * RAOF wonders why his TouchpadOff variable is 2
[08:31] <pitti> rickspencer3: a low-level test whether the kernel sees events is:
[08:31] <rickspencer3> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/936598/
[08:31] <pitti> check /dev/input/by-id/ for which event number your touchpad is
[08:31] <pitti> and then run sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/eventX
[08:31] <pitti> (with replacing X)
[08:32] <pitti> and then move the touchpad and see whether you get some output
[08:32] <pitti> I get tons of "(no scan code received)  key code: reserved" with each movement here
[08:32] <rickspencer3> pitti, how do I find the "id" of the touchpad?
[08:33] <rickspencer3> or just use tab?
[08:33] <pitti> rickspencer3: as I said, you need to look into /dev/input/by-id/ and guess
[08:33] <pitti> oh, the touchpad might not be there, hang on
[08:33] <RAOF> rickspencer3: You can use “xinput list” to find the id of your trackpad, then “xinput list-props $ID” to list the properties of it; one of which will be it's /dev/input/event? node.
[08:34] <pitti> rickspencer3: udevadm info --export-db | grep -B3 ID_INPUT_TOUCHPAD
[08:34] <pitti> if that e. g. says DEVNAME=/dev/input/event11
[08:34] <pitti> then use "keymap -i input/event11"
[08:34] <pitti> rickspencer3: if you press buttons, you should see "scan code: 0x90001   key code: 110"
[08:35] <pitti> and if you move mouse, "no scan code received"
[08:35] <rickspencer3> pitti, is "keymap" a program name?
[08:36] <pitti> "and then run sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/eventX"
[08:36] <pitti> sorry for abbreviating
[08:37] <rickspencer3> pitti, I assume this means I should be using event6 ?
[08:37] <rickspencer3> E: DEVPATH=/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input6/event6
[08:37] <rickspencer3> E: ID_INPUT=1
[08:37] <rickspencer3> E: ID_INPUT.tags=inspiron_1011
[08:37] <rickspencer3> E: ID_INPUT_TOUCHPAD=1
[08:37] <pitti> rickspencer3: correct
[08:37] <pitti> sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/event6
[08:38] <rickspencer3> pitti, ok, it's not registering any events, though the buttons are working
[08:38] <pitti> rickspencer3: not even for buttons?
[08:38] <rickspencer3> so, I presume the buttons are separate from the trackpad
[08:38] <pitti> that's weird
[08:39] <RAOF> rickspencer3: What does ‘xinput list-props $ID’ (with ID gathered from xinput list) show?
[08:40] <rickspencer3> weird, I tried all the #s from 1 and the buttons never showed up
[08:42] <rickspencer3> RAOF, sorry, I'm not sure where you want me to find $ID
[08:42] <RAOF> run ‘xinput list’, that'll spit out a list of all the input devices X thinks you have, and their IDs as seen by X.
[08:43] <RAOF> For example, http://paste2.org/p/1985724 is mine.
[08:43] <RAOF> And my trackpad has ID 12.
[08:43] <RAOF> (I could also use “SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad” as the ID, but the number is substantially easier to get past the shell ☺)
[08:43] <rickspencer3> RAOF, ok, there is a lot of output, hold on
[08:43] <Laney> pitti: Could you take a look at bug #968845 quickly please and see if you think it'd be appropriate to add a quirk to pm-utils for it?
[08:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 968845 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "bcm5974 touchpad doesn't work after S3 on MacBookAir" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968845
[08:44] <RAOF> Laney: Didn't that get fixed in the xserver yet?
[08:44] <rickspencer3> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/936607/
[08:44] <RAOF> Laney: Ah, sorry.  Wrong context :)
[08:44] <Laney> nein :P
[08:47] <RAOF> rickspencer3: Hm.  Nothing seems suspicious there.
[08:48]  * rickspencer3 ponders
[08:48] <rickspencer3> RAOF, well, I have that info saved
[08:48] <rickspencer3> I haven't updated in days
[08:48] <rickspencer3> I'll see if I can make a reproducer for this
[08:48] <rickspencer3> if so, I'll log a bug and subscribe you
[08:48] <RAOF> Thanks.
[08:48] <rickspencer3> otherwise, I'll assume this all happened in a dream
[08:51] <pitti> Laney: if it's confirmed to work (i. e. the module or X.org don't act up on module removal/readdition), it sounds fine to me
[08:51] <pitti> Laney: but it should have a proper upstream kernel bug report, as it's just a workaround
[08:51] <Laney> well, they 'act up' in that some options are reset
[08:51] <Laney> i.e. horizontal scrolling
[08:52] <Laney> but it's better than the alternative which is the primary button being pressed all of the time
[08:52] <Laney> I'm hoping Chase will handle a proper fix at some point :-)
[08:54] <RAOF> I'm not sure, but that might be a part of his input fixes on the xorg mailing list at the moment.
[08:54] <bryceh> rickspencer3, MacbookPro?
[08:55] <rickspencer3> bryceh, dell mini 10v
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> nice: https://twitter.com/#!/hsivonen/status/192898790078943232 :)
[08:59] <bryceh> rickspencer3, I don't think you're alone, we've had other similar reports (usually correlated to S3 rather than logout/login).  Most reports are MacBookPro.
[08:59] <rickspencer3> bryceh, hmmm, sounds kernelly
[08:59] <rickspencer3> ^incisive technical analysis
[08:59] <rickspencer3> bryceh, ok, I'll work on seeing if I can make a reproducer
[08:59] <rickspencer3> bryceh, and data I can get you while I still have the issue?
[08:59] <RAOF> But it's only *your* user where it's broken, right?
[09:00] <mpt> cyphermox, you're the person to ask about NetworkManager, right?
[09:00] <RAOF> I think bryceh is talking about bug #968845 which Laney brought up.
[09:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 968845 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "bcm5974 touchpad doesn't work after S3 on MacBookAir" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968845
[09:00] <bryceh> rickspencer3, I've seen the symptom after s3 on one dell laptop but not my 10v
[09:01] <bryceh> rickspencer3, dmesg and lsmod, although I am doubtful either provide any useful data.
[09:03] <rickspencer3> bryceh, this looks like the last mention of my touchpad in dmesg
[09:03] <rickspencer3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/936623/
[09:08] <bryceh> yeah, no error messages.  you're probably right that it's a kernel bug.  a bisection search might be called for.
[09:08] <pitti> didrocks: nice response in bug 983254
[09:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 983254 in nux "Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/983254
[09:08] <pitti> didrocks: but I have the feeling there's little point in trying to further it..
[09:08] <bryceh> nite
[09:08] <pitti> bryceh: sleep well
[09:09] <didrocks> pitti: thanks! yeah, I agree this won't change anything now on. Hence that's why I told that I made my point and will stop on it :)
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, happy friday! ;-)
[09:19] <didrocks> seb128: I didn't dare making that joke, but as you do it! Happy Friday! :)
[09:20] <seb128> ;-)
[09:20] <seb128> didrocks, you have some way before using that joke as much as I did in the easter week :p
[09:20] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, indeed, I'm in debt ;)
[09:23] <seb128> pitti, btw mhr3 blames part of the dash opening slowness on you :p
[09:23] <seb128> pitti, seems the slowest part for the app lens is gnome-menus reading .desktop files
[09:24] <mhr3> yep, it's like 300ms on a warm system, i dont even want to know how much is it for cold start
[09:24] <seb128> on you or on vuntz ;-)
[09:26] <didrocks> that's probably why with all my read issues on my hd, it's really aweful
[09:26] <didrocks> I don't remember, vuntz didn't like the one file trigger idea, isn't it?
[09:26] <seb128> I'm not sure now
[09:26] <didrocks> should we add back a work item for next cycle to reapply what pitti did on the new gnome-menus?
[09:26] <seb128> he didn't like the keyfile based file
[09:27] <seb128> it was supposed to be redone with gvariant iirc
[09:27] <didrocks> hum, that would work, mapping it
[09:27] <pitti> didrocks: s/reapply/rework from scratch/, the old approach doesn't work any more
[09:27] <pitti> and not in python-gmenu
[09:27] <didrocks> pitti: oh, is it that different?
[09:27] <seb128> but from the gnome-menus changelog we dropped the patch because it didn't apply with the GNOME3 refactoring
[09:27] <seb128> and we judged by then that without menus it was "less useful"
[09:28] <pitti> it remains to be seen whether a gvariant is really that much faster than reading a text file, but the implementation doesn't matter much I guess
[09:28] <seb128> right
[09:28] <seb128> I don't remember now if vuntz said that would work well with the new gnome-menus for some reason
[09:28] <seb128> or if that's just that the patch needed to be refactored
[09:30] <vuntz> seb128: the patch would have to live in glib/gio now
[09:31] <seb128> vuntz, oh, dropping it on desrt! I see ;-)
[09:31] <vuntz> seb128: since gnome-menus now just does "g_desktop_app_info_new_from_filename (path)"  (more or less)
[09:31] <vuntz> (and then rely on the GDesktopAppInfo API)
[09:31] <seb128> ok, that was probably the reason we dropped it rather than trying to "port it", I didn't remember the details
[09:31] <seb128> that's a bit tricky :-(
[09:33] <seb128> vuntz, hey btw, how are you? ;-)
[09:33] <vuntz> good!
[09:33] <vuntz> I just had some early lunch (I missed breakfast), so now  things are nearly perfect ;-)
[09:33] <vuntz> how are things in germany? :-)
[09:35] <seb128> vuntz, you mean in alsace?
[09:35] <seb128> good ;-)
[09:35] <seb128> I had a late breakfast rather than an early lunch :p
[09:40] <vuntz> late breakfast is a good approach too :-)
[09:43] <Sweetshark> seb128: could you forward me your mail to ubuntu-desktop about libreoffice integration tests, so that I can reply to directly (I am subscribed digest only)?
[09:46] <seb128> Sweetshark, I can try, I'm not sure thunderbird do proper "bouncing", if that doesn't work you might want to try pitti, I'm sure mutt does ;-)
[09:46] <pitti> yes, can do
[09:46] <pitti> Sweetshark: you have it
[09:48] <seb128> pitti, danke
[09:55] <kenvandine> good morning all!
[10:00] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, it's a middle of night ken!
[10:00] <seb128> kenvandine, having sleeping troubles?
[10:00] <kenvandine> nah, just getting a couple hours of work in before the kids get up :)
[10:01] <seb128> kenvandine, isn't like 6am for you?
[10:01] <seb128> kenvandine, what a brave man ;-)
[10:01] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks for getting the datetime fix in!
[10:01] <kenvandine> seb128, thx for testing it!
[10:02] <didrocks> hey kenvandine, you should grab a coffee :)
[10:03] <kenvandine> didrocks, on my second cup :)
[10:03] <didrocks> heh ;)
[10:25] <Sweetshark> pitti, seb128: thanks a lot
[10:39] <jasoncwarner_> hey didrocks I was just about to go to bed when I saw this... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/985539
[10:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 985539 in unity "Awkward graphic glitches in Compiz" [Undecided,New]
[10:39] <didrocks> looking
[10:40] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: you saw it, you mean, you reproduce the issue?
[10:40] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: no, sorry, saw the bug report
[10:40] <didrocks> or just saw the bug?
[10:40] <jasoncwarner_> yeah
[10:40] <jasoncwarner_> wasn't sure if real or if others were seeing for some reason...
[10:41] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: well, we didn't hear anything like that lately, so it seems to be an isolated issue.
[10:41] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: we can still poke the opengl guys on it
[10:41] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: that is what I was hoping for
[10:41] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: but at least, it's not a widespread issue
[10:41] <jasoncwarner_> (both of those, thanks)
[10:41] <jasoncwarner_> yes, good.. :)
[10:41] <didrocks> you can go to bed :)
[10:42] <kklimonda> seb128: wrt bug 951000 it seems to be some weird issue with apparmor - there are a lot of appamor messages in dmesg when I login as guest.. unfortunately by disabling apparmor *once* I've apparently fixed the issue and now I can't debug it any further :(
[10:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 951000 in lightdm "disable guest session screen lock using gsettings" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951000
[10:43] <kklimonda> dbus-daemon gets a lot of denied_mask="r" on /proc/[pid]/cmdline
[10:44] <seb128> kklimonda, weird
[10:44] <seb128> kklimonda, did you try to reboot to see if it still happens after restart?
[10:44] <kklimonda> seb128: yeah, it doesn't
[10:44] <seb128> ok, weird, I guess you can close the bug
[10:44] <seb128> not a lot we can do if it stopped happening
[10:45] <kklimonda> seb128: it's like disabling apparmor let lightdm write something somewhere which has fixed the issue
[10:45] <seb128> I will try on a new install later today when I do iso testing
[10:45] <kklimonda> unfortunately there is nothing in the audit.. really weird
[10:45] <kklimonda> (nothing that would suggest that apparmor is denying writing to files)
[10:47] <kklimonda> seb128: actually now that I checked "gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled" returns true but the "lock session" menu entry is gone, ctrl+alt+L doesn't work and the related "Lock & Brightness" options are disabled..
[10:48] <kklimonda> switching between guest and "user" session doesn't look the screen so it seems to be working fine
[10:48] <kklimonda> lock*
[10:49] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner_, hey, still around? I heard something about a new sound theme earlier this cycle, did anything come of that?
[10:50] <seb128> rickspencer3, I can reply to that if you want ;-)
[10:50] <rickspencer3> seb128, yes please
[10:50] <rickspencer3> ;)
[10:51] <seb128> rickspencer3, it was too late for precise
[10:54] <rickspencer3> thanks seb128
[12:23] <didrocks> hum thunder and rain, I'm sure it's seb128's fault :)
[12:24] <seb128> didrocks, no rain here! ;-)
[12:24] <didrocks> seb128: see, your fault, you send it to me! :)
[12:24] <seb128> didrocks, I like to share!
[12:24] <didrocks> yeah, sometimes you can keep that for you :p
[12:24] <seb128> ;-)
[13:02] <seb128> does anyone know about at-spi-bus-launcher and what it's useful for?
[13:07] <seb128> ok
[13:08] <seb128> dunno about at-spi but I opened bug #985640 and assigned to TheMuso
[13:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 985640 in unity-greeter "use wrong path for at-spi-bus-launcher command" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/985640
[14:15] <cyphermox> mpt: yes, I'm the perso to ask about NetworkManager, how can I help you?
[14:16] <mpt> :-)
[14:17] <mpt> cyphermox, did awe ask you about WEP recently?
[14:17] <cyphermox> he asked about WEP passphrases or something like that
[14:17] <cyphermox> or do you mean WPS?
[14:17] <mpt> WEP passphrases, yes
[14:18] <cyphermox> that should work fine
[14:18] <cyphermox> it's a little weird looking though
[14:19] <cyphermox> I think the problem lies in the detection of what a user might want to fill in based on the configuration of the AP, I think in all cases it turns out asking you to enter a WEP hex key, rather than a passphrase when you could enter the passphrase; but both are available in UI
[14:20] <cyphermox> mpt: unfortunately I don't have a spare AP here in the office but I can muck with this some more later tonight
[14:20] <cyphermox> I opted to not bring a wireless router today ;)
[14:21] <cyphermox> nevermind that, there was one in the lab
[14:21] <mpt> cyphermox, ok, if he asked about it then I don't need to :-)
[14:24] <cyphermox> mpt: that weird WEP thing I noticed a few weeks ago, it's my mistake to not think more about it and file a bug, but I was helping a friend fix her wifi :)
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, bug 945987 sucks :(
[14:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 945987 in rhythmbox "No Settings are available in "Preferred format", only preset defaults are used" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945987
[14:33] <cyphermox> mpt: right, the detection is probably broken, but creating the wifi network manually works. just tested here and I can totally reproduce that issue
[14:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, ronoc is looking at it
[14:53] <ronoc> seb128, the line input bug or the encoding profile  ?
[14:53] <ronoc> well i'm on both today
[14:56] <seb128> ronoc, the profile one
[14:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how did you notice?
[14:58] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i just tried ripping a CD with rhythmbox ;)
[14:58] <seb128> chrisccoulson, like do you do encoding? or did that got some user ranting on forums or twitter?
[14:58] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, ok
[15:34] <seb128> so bug #973491 wth
[15:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 973491 in nautilus "nautilus popup menu highlighting using copy and paste incorrect" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973491
[15:35] <seb128> does anyone has a clue what component could be buggy there?
[15:36] <seb128> nautilus context menu items like "paste" are sometime displayed as unactive but yet still active, if they are rendered as unactive but you can select them and they work
[15:36] <seb128> kenvandine, desrt, mterry: ^ any clue?
[15:36] <seb128> same happen without appmenu, ie unset UBUNTU_MENUPROXY
[15:36] <kenvandine> humm
[15:37] <seb128> demo on https://launchpadlibrarian.net/100170099/nautilus_bug.ogv
[15:37] <mterry> seb128, maybe an issue with the new 'unfocused window' support in compiz/light-themes?
[15:37] <mterry> but that would be the whole popup
[15:37] <mterry> not just one item
[15:38] <seb128> right, I somewhat doubt it
[15:38] <seb128> the first report is also from february and I think that compiz,theme change landed after that
[15:38] <seb128> let me check the timing
[15:38] <kenvandine> it was late
[15:38] <kenvandine> so it looks like the new window getting focus after having the copy in the clipboard works
[15:39] <bdrung> hi, some indicators crashed with an update. can someone tell me how to launch them again?
[15:39] <mterry> Seems like theme has to be involved somewhere though...  nautilus isn't doing custom popup drawing.  (is it?!)
[15:39] <kenvandine> so maybe it is a signal getting lost
[15:39] <seb128> kenvandine, well, the menu is active, you can select it
[15:39] <seb128> mterry, I'm not sure...
[15:39] <kenvandine> seb128, try changing the theme
[15:39] <seb128> bdrung, unity? which indicators?
[15:40] <kenvandine> or without compiz
[15:40] <kenvandine> to rule those out
[15:40] <seb128> kenvandine, one report says it happens with unity2d
[15:40] <bdrung> seb128: unity + compiz. the indicators for messages and system
[15:40] <seb128> bdrung, try restarting unity-panel-service
[15:40] <seb128> but it's weird, they should autoreload on issues
[15:41] <kenvandine> i just reproduced it with adwaita
[15:41] <mterry> I don't get the paste bug myself.  :-/
[15:41] <mterry> kenvandine, nice
[15:41] <seb128> mterry, I get it every second try
[15:41] <seb128> nautilus --quit and do what is on the video is enough for me
[15:42] <bdrung> seb128: http://paste.debian.net/163824/
[15:42] <seb128> 933744 states "this seems to happen on occasion in both unity (3d) & unity-2d"
[15:42] <seb128> bdrung, is it one running?
[15:42] <seb128> "(unity-panel-service:4640): Indicator-Appmenu-CRITICAL **: Unable to claim the name com.canonical.AppMenu.Registrar"
[15:42] <seb128> suggests there is
[15:43] <bdrung> yes, it's running, but killall told me it's not.
[15:43] <mterry> Nope, quiting nautilus doesn't give it to me...
[15:43] <seb128> bdrung, kill -9 id
[15:44] <ogra_> or pkill
[15:44] <bdrung> yes, kill -9 helped. it automatically relaunched it.
[15:44] <bdrung> thanks. all indicators are back.
[15:44] <seb128> cool
[15:45] <kenvandine> i reproduced it in unity 2d as well
[15:45] <kenvandine> so not theme or compiz
[15:45] <seb128> mterry, I need to open the context menu first
[15:45]  * kenvandine has to head out to lunch now, i get to have lunch with my son today :)
[15:45] <kenvandine> bbl
[15:45] <seb128> mterry, like nautilus; click on an empty part of the background to open the menu, then right click on an icon, copy, and try to paste
[15:45] <seb128> kenvandine, have fun, ttyl ;-)
[15:46] <mterry> seb128, yup, did that several times
[15:46] <seb128> mterry, ok, you got lucky then :p or it's a timing thing ...
[15:46] <mterry> oh
[15:46] <mterry> wait
[15:46] <mterry> i didn't do the pointless right click on empty first
[15:46] <mterry> I always went straight for the copy
[15:46] <seb128> mterry, that's the key part!
[15:46] <seb128> ;-)
[15:46] <mterry> doh
[15:47] <mterry> yeah...
[15:47] <mterry> like the first context menu is 'locking in' the gray status for paste or something
[15:47] <mterry> I wonder if nautilus does do custom menu items
[15:47]  * seb128 does a build from upstream tarball without patch 
[15:48] <seb128> mterry, what do you mean "custom menu items"?
[15:48] <seb128> they use gtkuimanager I think
[15:48] <mterry> seb128, bummer.  Like if they used menu items that had custom draw methods or something
[15:48] <seb128> I doubt it
[15:49]  * mterry never underestimates the nautilus developers' love of writing code
[15:50] <seb128> it happens with the upstream tarball
[15:50] <seb128> so not a local patch
[15:50] <mterry> rickspencer3, didrocks: quickly minus pygame just landed in precise
[15:50] <didrocks> mterry: awesome \o/
[15:50] <rickspencer3> mterry, does this mean I can uninstall desktopcouch now?
[15:50] <mterry> rickspencer3, quickly doesn't need it anymore, yeah
[15:51] <rickspencer3> sweet!
[15:51] <rickspencer3> thanks mterry
[15:51] <rickspencer3> I still think my pygame sprite library is pretty sweet
[15:51] <rickspencer3> I'll put it in another package
[15:51] <rickspencer3> and it can continue to get zero usage from there
[15:51]  * mterry pats rickspencer3 on the back
[16:08] <seb128> kenvandine, mterry: nothing like pinging upstream ;-) cosimoc has the issue on fedora and thinks it might be
[16:08] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672046
[16:08] <ubot2> Gnome bug 672046 in GtkStyleContext "Text-shadow in breadcrumbs needs attention" [Minor,New]
[16:09] <mterry> seb128, nice
[17:16] <didrocks> see you guys, have a good Friday and week-end! (tomorrow is off for me)
[17:18] <pitti> godo nighth everyone
[17:18] <pitti> (erk typing)
[17:21] <seb128> pitti, iz beer'o'clock?
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> you don't need to realize a widget in gtk3 for it to have a GtkStyleContext, do you?
[17:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, good question for #gtk+ on irc.gnome.org
[17:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what are you looking at?
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it's ok. i think i figured it out already
[17:37] <seb128> ok
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> i'm reviewing the theme integration part of the gtk3 port of firefox
[17:38] <kenvandine> yay... gtk3 port of firefox!
[17:38] <seb128> \o/
[17:38] <seb128> when does it land? :p
[17:38]  * kenvandine leaks to omg
[17:38] <kenvandine> wait 3 minutes for them to post an article :)
[17:39] <seb128> kenvandine, he said we would have firefox on gtk3 in precise right? ;-)
[17:39] <kenvandine> that is what i told omg
[17:39] <kenvandine> :-p
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> lol
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> it's nothing to get excited about ;)
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> the patches have been there on bugzilla for ages now, and i've been assigned reviews to some of them for quite a while now
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> just taking the opportunity to clear those :)
[17:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, that means you clear backlog, soon you will look at g-s-d start time issues ;-)
[17:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson, don't forget to email the desktop list about your chromium by default topic for UDS ;-)
[17:44] <kenvandine> which will get ported to gtk3 first... firefox or chromium
[17:44] <kenvandine> it's a race!
[17:46]  * kenvandine is actually kind of liking epiphany again, epiphany by default!
[17:47] <seb128> kenvandine, I'm waiting for somebody to suggest midori now
[17:47] <seb128> ;-)
[17:47] <kenvandine> :-D
[17:49] <cyphermox> well, of course we should be using midori by default
[17:49] <seb128> see!
[17:50] <seb128> cyphermox, hey ;-) how are you?
[17:50] <cyphermox> not too bad
[17:50] <cyphermox> and you?
[17:50] <kenvandine> lynx!
[17:50] <seb128> cyphermox, I'm good thanks
[17:50] <kenvandine> the security team would love that
[17:50] <kenvandine> :)
[17:50] <cyphermox> I think we should switch default browsers every release to really make the security team love us
[17:51] <kenvandine> indeed
[17:52] <dobey> athena ftw
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, it won't be chromium. they're dropping gtk entirely ;)
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> and moving to their new aura toolkit across all platforms
[17:54] <cyphermox> I'm keeping suggesting w3m as default browser for the W release
[17:57] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, ugh... lets make it look more foreign
[18:09] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: so they can be as poorly integrated with Linux as Firefox? ;)
[18:13] <jbicha> epiphany-browser ftw
[18:13] <jbicha> lol
[18:14] <jbicha> or just use epiphany
[18:15] <kenvandine> jbicha, i just realized, as annoying as it is to have the name clash, i've never actually even looked at what epiphany is
[18:15] <kenvandine> just bitch and moan about having to install epiphany-browser
[18:15] <kenvandine> oh, that is chromium isn't it?
[18:15] <kklimonda> kenvandine: a boulder dash clone ;)
[18:16] <kklimonda> which I've discovered by installing it by accident - probably the way everyone else does ;)
[18:18] <dobey> chrisccoulson: so chrome then. clearly we need another widget set in the default install.
[18:18] <kenvandine> dobey, yeah, we don't have enough yet
[18:18] <kklimonda> *sighs*
[18:19] <jbicha> can't we just use a Dash lens to browse the web?
[18:19]  * dobey ports ubuntuone to fltk
[18:22] <kklimonda> dobey: you've already portet it to Qt, stop the madness before it's too late ;)
[18:26] <bcurtiswx> oh thunderbird why must you lie to me and show 2 unanswered emails when I'm pretty sure i've read them all :(
[18:28] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, is that for a gmail account?
[18:28] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, IDK it just shows 2 on the unity dock icon nothing in the app itself though
[18:28] <kenvandine> i think that is a gmail problem... i can't ever have zero unread messages in my gmail, even in the web ui
[18:29] <bcurtiswx> the web UI shows 0 for me..
[18:29] <kenvandine> if i mark all as read, gmail still says there are 2 unread
[18:29] <kenvandine> been that way for years
[18:29] <kenvandine> drives me nuts
[18:29] <kenvandine> and if you filter on unread it finds none
[18:29] <kenvandine> that is probably chrisccoulson's fault then :)
[18:30] <bcurtiswx> so I should hire a team of people with pitchforms and firesticks to march towards his home?
[18:30] <bcurtiswx> pitchforks*
[18:30] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, you would get pretty wet
[18:30] <kenvandine> :)
[18:30] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, ferry's aren't _THAT_ expensive...
[18:32] <bcurtiswx> OK, gotta head out then bowling later, nite all
[18:32] <kenvandine> later
[18:32] <kenvandine> have fun
[19:12] <chrisccoulson> dobey, you don't want another widget set in the default install? everybody loves chrome, don't they? ;)
[19:13] <dobey> chrisccoulson: i'm trying to diversify our profile. i'll make sure we use at least 5 in u1 for 12.10 :)
[19:14] <chrisccoulson> mmm, beer
[19:50] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, i'll have a tasty one tonight in your honor :)
[20:02] <Ursinha> hey guys, I was wondering if I was on crack when I saw some unity configuration options in All Settings->Appearance
[20:03] <kenvandine> Ursinha, not on crack :)
[20:03] <Ursinha> because I can't see it anymore
[20:03] <Ursinha> maybe I'm on crack now? :)
[20:03] <kenvandine> i still see them
[20:04] <Ursinha> hm
[20:04] <kenvandine> bottom of the panel on the "Look" tab there is launcher icon size
[20:04] <kenvandine> a slider
[20:04] <kenvandine> and on the "Behavior" tab
[20:04] <kenvandine> there is autohide
[20:04] <Ursinha> that on Appearance, right?
[20:04] <kenvandine> yes
[20:05] <kenvandine> not seeing that?
[20:05] <Ursinha> no
[20:05] <Ursinha> I saw that when I installed
[20:05] <Ursinha> but now -- after a couple of unity --replace s -- it's not there anymore
[20:05] <kenvandine> odd
[20:06] <kenvandine> maybe those are only displayed when you are running unity and it doesn't realize you are running unity now?
[20:06] <kenvandine> Ursinha, try a logout and back in and see
[20:06] <kenvandine> could be a bug there
[20:06] <Ursinha> yes, I think it's a bug
[20:07] <Ursinha> will do that, a moment
[20:07] <kenvandine> i guess it would make sense for them to only be displayed in unity, so it must be that
[20:08] <Ursinha> kenvandine, there you go, logged in with another user and a fresh logged unity displayed the options there
[20:08] <Ursinha> but once I unity --replace, it's still unity, right?
[20:09] <kenvandine> Ursinha, i would think it should be
[20:09] <kenvandine> i just confirmed it isn't there in a gnome classic session
[20:09] <Ursinha> I'll file a bug
[20:09] <Ursinha> right
[20:09] <kenvandine> and the launcher size slider isn't there in unity-2d
[20:09] <Ursinha> I'll file a bug then
[20:09] <kenvandine> thx
[20:09] <Ursinha> thanks for your help kenvandine !
[20:09] <kenvandine> np
[20:10] <kenvandine> thx for finding bugs!
[20:10] <Ursinha> :)