[00:42] jeez, mterri gave me a loose strand of yarn from a sweater... [04:47] Good morning [04:48] robert_ancell: FYI, #u-release wanted an FFE bug for your lightdm upload; it looks good otherwise [04:48] Sweetshark: pong [04:48] pitti, ah, ok [04:48] Laney: it already indicates if there are third-party packages installed [04:48] not third-party sources, though, I believe === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine [05:22] good morning [05:22] bonjour didrocks [05:22] * BigWhale opens one eye. [05:22] hey pitti! [05:22] Morning. [05:22] morning BigWhale [05:27] and a first kernel panic of the day [05:30] didrocks, kernel panic? what are you doing? [05:30] rickspencer3: nothing, it's happening to me approximately every 2 days when my disk is writing a lot [05:30] rickspencer3: I pinged apw, but as I have no info on disk after reboot… [06:48] didrocks: Boo. That's the one on your nvidia machine, then? [06:48] RAOF: yeah [06:49] could be related to the latest update, which upstream admits is buggy [06:49] nvidia blob update that is [06:49] Nah; this has been going on for quite some time, right didrocks? [06:49] ah? I get it for the past month and half approx, does it make sense? [06:49] oh ok, then it's not that [06:52] hey didrocks did those last unity regressions get sorted to your satisfaction? [06:53] rickspencer3: it did for me indeed. There are some other perf issues that have a fix pending, but it's only when the dash is opened. The safer at this stage is a SRU IMHO. I plan to get every fixes merges for next Thursday, to push in -proposed by then [07:01] didrocks, thanks for the update [07:01] yw :) [07:37] good morning everyone [07:40] chrisccoulson, everyone: g'mornin' [07:40] hey chrisccoulson [07:40] good morning chrisccoulson, Sweetshark [07:41] pitti: bug 984942 is evil. [07:41] Launchpad bug 984942 in libreoffice "LO help appears partially untranslated (dup-of: 957589)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/984942 [07:41] Launchpad bug 957589 in libreoffice "LibreOffice ignores localized help" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/957589 [07:41] hey Sweetshark, pitti, didrocks === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:46] hmmm, i'm thinking about tackling a 5-digit bug today! [07:47] chrisccoulson: go! [07:47] Sweetshark: urgh, didn't we have a similar issue in Calc the other day? [07:48] Sweetshark: is the corresponding libo-help-XX actually installed? [07:48] Gabor confirmed, I think he checked that [07:52] pitti: it only happens when you have libo-help-en-US installed too. If you uninstall -en-US it works fine. [07:53] pitti: I suspect it to be a secret plot by the french in this channel to break the english monopoly. [07:54] damned, we have to do something else now :) [08:05] jibel: hey, is jenkins down? :) [08:05] ah no, it's up again, I think the 404 error was either in my cache from yesterday or a hickup [08:12] hey [08:18] * pitti hugs seb128 [08:19] * seb128 hugs pitti [08:19] pitti, how are you? [08:19] please join a private chan for this ... :) [08:20] heh [08:20] seb128: quite fine, thanks; feeling my muscles from TKD training :) [08:21] today I'm glad to have a desk job [08:21] hehe, I guess it's a good thing, some exercice ;-) [08:21] was tkd intense yesterday? [08:21] yeah, quite [08:27] pitti, so, I just used another login account on my system, when I came back to this account, my trackpad was not working [08:27] trackpad works in lightdm and in guest session, though [08:28] I plugging in a mouse, also works [08:28] pitti, any suggestions on how to get debug info? [08:28] rickspencer3, it was working before changing ussers? [08:28] rickspencer3, hey btw ;-) [08:29] hi seb128 ;) [08:29] yes, it wasw working before changing users [08:29] seb128, oh, the buttons work, just not the pointing [08:29] rickspencer3: do you see it in "xinput"? [08:29] ah, you would then, if the buttons work [08:30] rickspencer3: “synclient -l” lists a bunch of potentially interesting info. [08:30] rickspencer3: hm, I'm afraid I have no off-hand idea; I don't know how input devices work at that level [08:30] ... but RAOF would! ;-) [08:30] * RAOF wonders why his TouchpadOff variable is 2 [08:31] rickspencer3: a low-level test whether the kernel sees events is: [08:31] RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/936598/ [08:31] check /dev/input/by-id/ for which event number your touchpad is [08:31] and then run sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/eventX [08:31] (with replacing X) [08:32] and then move the touchpad and see whether you get some output [08:32] I get tons of "(no scan code received) key code: reserved" with each movement here [08:32] pitti, how do I find the "id" of the touchpad? [08:33] or just use tab? [08:33] rickspencer3: as I said, you need to look into /dev/input/by-id/ and guess [08:33] oh, the touchpad might not be there, hang on [08:33] rickspencer3: You can use “xinput list” to find the id of your trackpad, then “xinput list-props $ID” to list the properties of it; one of which will be it's /dev/input/event? node. [08:34] rickspencer3: udevadm info --export-db | grep -B3 ID_INPUT_TOUCHPAD [08:34] if that e. g. says DEVNAME=/dev/input/event11 [08:34] then use "keymap -i input/event11" [08:34] rickspencer3: if you press buttons, you should see "scan code: 0x90001 key code: 110" [08:35] and if you move mouse, "no scan code received" [08:35] pitti, is "keymap" a program name? [08:36] "and then run sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/eventX" [08:36] sorry for abbreviating [08:37] pitti, I assume this means I should be using event6 ? [08:37] E: DEVPATH=/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input6/event6 [08:37] E: ID_INPUT=1 [08:37] E: ID_INPUT.tags=inspiron_1011 [08:37] E: ID_INPUT_TOUCHPAD=1 [08:37] rickspencer3: correct [08:37] sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/event6 [08:38] pitti, ok, it's not registering any events, though the buttons are working [08:38] rickspencer3: not even for buttons? [08:38] so, I presume the buttons are separate from the trackpad [08:38] that's weird [08:39] rickspencer3: What does ‘xinput list-props $ID’ (with ID gathered from xinput list) show? [08:40] weird, I tried all the #s from 1 and the buttons never showed up [08:42] RAOF, sorry, I'm not sure where you want me to find $ID [08:42] run ‘xinput list’, that'll spit out a list of all the input devices X thinks you have, and their IDs as seen by X. [08:43] For example, http://paste2.org/p/1985724 is mine. [08:43] And my trackpad has ID 12. [08:43] (I could also use “SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad” as the ID, but the number is substantially easier to get past the shell ☺) [08:43] RAOF, ok, there is a lot of output, hold on [08:43] pitti: Could you take a look at bug #968845 quickly please and see if you think it'd be appropriate to add a quirk to pm-utils for it? [08:43] Launchpad bug 968845 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "bcm5974 touchpad doesn't work after S3 on MacBookAir" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968845 [08:44] Laney: Didn't that get fixed in the xserver yet? [08:44] RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/936607/ [08:44] Laney: Ah, sorry. Wrong context :) [08:44] nein :P [08:47] rickspencer3: Hm. Nothing seems suspicious there. [08:48] * rickspencer3 ponders [08:48] RAOF, well, I have that info saved [08:48] I haven't updated in days [08:48] I'll see if I can make a reproducer for this [08:48] if so, I'll log a bug and subscribe you [08:48] Thanks. [08:48] otherwise, I'll assume this all happened in a dream [08:51] Laney: if it's confirmed to work (i. e. the module or X.org don't act up on module removal/readdition), it sounds fine to me [08:51] Laney: but it should have a proper upstream kernel bug report, as it's just a workaround [08:51] well, they 'act up' in that some options are reset [08:51] i.e. horizontal scrolling [08:52] but it's better than the alternative which is the primary button being pressed all of the time [08:52] I'm hoping Chase will handle a proper fix at some point :-) [08:54] I'm not sure, but that might be a part of his input fixes on the xorg mailing list at the moment. [08:54] rickspencer3, MacbookPro? [08:55] bryceh, dell mini 10v [08:56] nice: https://twitter.com/#!/hsivonen/status/192898790078943232 :) [08:59] rickspencer3, I don't think you're alone, we've had other similar reports (usually correlated to S3 rather than logout/login). Most reports are MacBookPro. [08:59] bryceh, hmmm, sounds kernelly [08:59] ^incisive technical analysis [08:59] bryceh, ok, I'll work on seeing if I can make a reproducer [08:59] bryceh, and data I can get you while I still have the issue? [08:59] But it's only *your* user where it's broken, right? === mpt_ is now known as mpt [09:00] cyphermox, you're the person to ask about NetworkManager, right? [09:00] I think bryceh is talking about bug #968845 which Laney brought up. [09:00] Launchpad bug 968845 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "bcm5974 touchpad doesn't work after S3 on MacBookAir" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968845 [09:00] rickspencer3, I've seen the symptom after s3 on one dell laptop but not my 10v [09:01] rickspencer3, dmesg and lsmod, although I am doubtful either provide any useful data. [09:03] bryceh, this looks like the last mention of my touchpad in dmesg [09:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com/936623/ [09:08] yeah, no error messages. you're probably right that it's a kernel bug. a bisection search might be called for. [09:08] didrocks: nice response in bug 983254 [09:08] Launchpad bug 983254 in nux "Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/983254 [09:08] didrocks: but I have the feeling there's little point in trying to further it.. [09:08] nite [09:08] bryceh: sleep well [09:09] pitti: thanks! yeah, I agree this won't change anything now on. Hence that's why I told that I made my point and will stop on it :) [09:19] didrocks, hey [09:19] didrocks, happy friday! ;-) [09:19] seb128: I didn't dare making that joke, but as you do it! Happy Friday! :) [09:20] ;-) [09:20] didrocks, you have some way before using that joke as much as I did in the easter week :p [09:20] seb128: yeah, indeed, I'm in debt ;) [09:23] pitti, btw mhr3 blames part of the dash opening slowness on you :p [09:23] pitti, seems the slowest part for the app lens is gnome-menus reading .desktop files [09:24] yep, it's like 300ms on a warm system, i dont even want to know how much is it for cold start [09:24] on you or on vuntz ;-) [09:26] that's probably why with all my read issues on my hd, it's really aweful [09:26] I don't remember, vuntz didn't like the one file trigger idea, isn't it? [09:26] I'm not sure now [09:26] should we add back a work item for next cycle to reapply what pitti did on the new gnome-menus? [09:26] he didn't like the keyfile based file [09:27] it was supposed to be redone with gvariant iirc [09:27] hum, that would work, mapping it [09:27] didrocks: s/reapply/rework from scratch/, the old approach doesn't work any more [09:27] and not in python-gmenu [09:27] pitti: oh, is it that different? [09:27] but from the gnome-menus changelog we dropped the patch because it didn't apply with the GNOME3 refactoring [09:27] and we judged by then that without menus it was "less useful" [09:28] it remains to be seen whether a gvariant is really that much faster than reading a text file, but the implementation doesn't matter much I guess [09:28] right [09:28] I don't remember now if vuntz said that would work well with the new gnome-menus for some reason [09:28] or if that's just that the patch needed to be refactored [09:30] seb128: the patch would have to live in glib/gio now [09:31] vuntz, oh, dropping it on desrt! I see ;-) [09:31] seb128: since gnome-menus now just does "g_desktop_app_info_new_from_filename (path)" (more or less) [09:31] (and then rely on the GDesktopAppInfo API) [09:31] ok, that was probably the reason we dropped it rather than trying to "port it", I didn't remember the details [09:31] that's a bit tricky :-( [09:33] vuntz, hey btw, how are you? ;-) [09:33] good! [09:33] I just had some early lunch (I missed breakfast), so now things are nearly perfect ;-) [09:33] how are things in germany? :-) [09:35] vuntz, you mean in alsace? [09:35] good ;-) [09:35] I had a late breakfast rather than an early lunch :p [09:40] late breakfast is a good approach too :-) [09:43] seb128: could you forward me your mail to ubuntu-desktop about libreoffice integration tests, so that I can reply to directly (I am subscribed digest only)? [09:46] Sweetshark, I can try, I'm not sure thunderbird do proper "bouncing", if that doesn't work you might want to try pitti, I'm sure mutt does ;-) [09:46] yes, can do [09:46] Sweetshark: you have it [09:48] pitti, danke [09:55] good morning all! [10:00] kenvandine, hey, it's a middle of night ken! [10:00] kenvandine, having sleeping troubles? [10:00] nah, just getting a couple hours of work in before the kids get up :) [10:01] kenvandine, isn't like 6am for you? [10:01] kenvandine, what a brave man ;-) [10:01] kenvandine, thanks for getting the datetime fix in! [10:01] seb128, thx for testing it! [10:02] hey kenvandine, you should grab a coffee :) [10:03] didrocks, on my second cup :) [10:03] heh ;) [10:25] pitti, seb128: thanks a lot [10:39] hey didrocks I was just about to go to bed when I saw this... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/985539 [10:39] Launchpad bug 985539 in unity "Awkward graphic glitches in Compiz" [Undecided,New] [10:39] looking [10:40] jasoncwarner_: you saw it, you mean, you reproduce the issue? [10:40] didrocks: no, sorry, saw the bug report [10:40] or just saw the bug? [10:40] yeah [10:40] wasn't sure if real or if others were seeing for some reason... [10:41] jasoncwarner_: well, we didn't hear anything like that lately, so it seems to be an isolated issue. [10:41] jasoncwarner_: we can still poke the opengl guys on it [10:41] didrocks: that is what I was hoping for [10:41] jasoncwarner_: but at least, it's not a widespread issue [10:41] (both of those, thanks) [10:41] yes, good.. :) [10:41] you can go to bed :) [10:42] seb128: wrt bug 951000 it seems to be some weird issue with apparmor - there are a lot of appamor messages in dmesg when I login as guest.. unfortunately by disabling apparmor *once* I've apparently fixed the issue and now I can't debug it any further :( [10:42] Launchpad bug 951000 in lightdm "disable guest session screen lock using gsettings" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951000 [10:43] dbus-daemon gets a lot of denied_mask="r" on /proc/[pid]/cmdline [10:44] kklimonda, weird [10:44] kklimonda, did you try to reboot to see if it still happens after restart? [10:44] seb128: yeah, it doesn't [10:44] ok, weird, I guess you can close the bug [10:44] not a lot we can do if it stopped happening [10:45] seb128: it's like disabling apparmor let lightdm write something somewhere which has fixed the issue [10:45] I will try on a new install later today when I do iso testing [10:45] unfortunately there is nothing in the audit.. really weird [10:45] (nothing that would suggest that apparmor is denying writing to files) [10:47] seb128: actually now that I checked "gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled" returns true but the "lock session" menu entry is gone, ctrl+alt+L doesn't work and the related "Lock & Brightness" options are disabled.. [10:48] switching between guest and "user" session doesn't look the screen so it seems to be working fine [10:48] lock* [10:49] jasoncwarner_, hey, still around? I heard something about a new sound theme earlier this cycle, did anything come of that? [10:50] rickspencer3, I can reply to that if you want ;-) [10:50] seb128, yes please [10:50] ;) [10:51] rickspencer3, it was too late for precise [10:54] thanks seb128 === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:23] hum thunder and rain, I'm sure it's seb128's fault :) [12:24] didrocks, no rain here! ;-) [12:24] seb128: see, your fault, you send it to me! :) [12:24] didrocks, I like to share! [12:24] yeah, sometimes you can keep that for you :p [12:24] ;-) === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback === rsalveti` is now known as rsalveti === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:02] does anyone know about at-spi-bus-launcher and what it's useful for? [13:07] ok [13:08] dunno about at-spi but I opened bug #985640 and assigned to TheMuso [13:08] Launchpad bug 985640 in unity-greeter "use wrong path for at-spi-bus-launcher command" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/985640 === Zdra is now known as xclaesse [14:15] mpt: yes, I'm the perso to ask about NetworkManager, how can I help you? [14:16] :-) [14:17] cyphermox, did awe ask you about WEP recently? [14:17] he asked about WEP passphrases or something like that [14:17] or do you mean WPS? [14:17] WEP passphrases, yes [14:18] that should work fine [14:18] it's a little weird looking though [14:19] I think the problem lies in the detection of what a user might want to fill in based on the configuration of the AP, I think in all cases it turns out asking you to enter a WEP hex key, rather than a passphrase when you could enter the passphrase; but both are available in UI [14:20] mpt: unfortunately I don't have a spare AP here in the office but I can muck with this some more later tonight [14:20] I opted to not bring a wireless router today ;) [14:21] nevermind that, there was one in the lab [14:21] cyphermox, ok, if he asked about it then I don't need to :-) [14:24] mpt: that weird WEP thing I noticed a few weeks ago, it's my mistake to not think more about it and file a bug, but I was helping a friend fix her wifi :) [14:32] hmmm, bug 945987 sucks :( [14:32] Launchpad bug 945987 in rhythmbox "No Settings are available in "Preferred format", only preset defaults are used" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945987 [14:33] mpt: right, the detection is probably broken, but creating the wifi network manually works. just tested here and I can totally reproduce that issue [14:50] chrisccoulson, yeah, ronoc is looking at it [14:53] seb128, the line input bug or the encoding profile ? [14:53] well i'm on both today [14:56] ronoc, the profile one [14:56] chrisccoulson, how did you notice? [14:58] seb128, i just tried ripping a CD with rhythmbox ;) [14:58] chrisccoulson, like do you do encoding? or did that got some user ranting on forums or twitter? [14:58] chrisccoulson, oh, ok === Ursinha` is now known as Ursinha === AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell [15:34] so bug #973491 wth [15:34] Launchpad bug 973491 in nautilus "nautilus popup menu highlighting using copy and paste incorrect" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973491 [15:35] does anyone has a clue what component could be buggy there? [15:36] nautilus context menu items like "paste" are sometime displayed as unactive but yet still active, if they are rendered as unactive but you can select them and they work [15:36] kenvandine, desrt, mterry: ^ any clue? [15:36] same happen without appmenu, ie unset UBUNTU_MENUPROXY [15:36] humm [15:37] demo on https://launchpadlibrarian.net/100170099/nautilus_bug.ogv [15:37] seb128, maybe an issue with the new 'unfocused window' support in compiz/light-themes? [15:37] but that would be the whole popup [15:37] not just one item [15:38] right, I somewhat doubt it [15:38] the first report is also from february and I think that compiz,theme change landed after that [15:38] let me check the timing [15:38] it was late [15:38] so it looks like the new window getting focus after having the copy in the clipboard works [15:39] hi, some indicators crashed with an update. can someone tell me how to launch them again? [15:39] Seems like theme has to be involved somewhere though... nautilus isn't doing custom popup drawing. (is it?!) [15:39] so maybe it is a signal getting lost [15:39] kenvandine, well, the menu is active, you can select it [15:39] mterry, I'm not sure... [15:39] seb128, try changing the theme [15:39] bdrung, unity? which indicators? [15:40] or without compiz [15:40] to rule those out [15:40] kenvandine, one report says it happens with unity2d [15:40] seb128: unity + compiz. the indicators for messages and system [15:40] bdrung, try restarting unity-panel-service [15:40] but it's weird, they should autoreload on issues [15:41] i just reproduced it with adwaita [15:41] I don't get the paste bug myself. :-/ [15:41] kenvandine, nice [15:41] mterry, I get it every second try [15:41] nautilus --quit and do what is on the video is enough for me [15:42] seb128: http://paste.debian.net/163824/ [15:42] 933744 states "this seems to happen on occasion in both unity (3d) & unity-2d" [15:42] bdrung, is it one running? [15:42] "(unity-panel-service:4640): Indicator-Appmenu-CRITICAL **: Unable to claim the name com.canonical.AppMenu.Registrar" [15:42] suggests there is [15:43] yes, it's running, but killall told me it's not. [15:43] Nope, quiting nautilus doesn't give it to me... [15:43] bdrung, kill -9 id [15:44] or pkill [15:44] yes, kill -9 helped. it automatically relaunched it. [15:44] thanks. all indicators are back. [15:44] cool [15:45] i reproduced it in unity 2d as well [15:45] so not theme or compiz [15:45] mterry, I need to open the context menu first [15:45] * kenvandine has to head out to lunch now, i get to have lunch with my son today :) [15:45] bbl [15:45] mterry, like nautilus; click on an empty part of the background to open the menu, then right click on an icon, copy, and try to paste [15:45] kenvandine, have fun, ttyl ;-) [15:46] seb128, yup, did that several times [15:46] mterry, ok, you got lucky then :p or it's a timing thing ... [15:46] oh [15:46] wait [15:46] i didn't do the pointless right click on empty first [15:46] I always went straight for the copy [15:46] mterry, that's the key part! [15:46] ;-) [15:46] doh [15:47] yeah... [15:47] like the first context menu is 'locking in' the gray status for paste or something [15:47] I wonder if nautilus does do custom menu items [15:47] * seb128 does a build from upstream tarball without patch [15:48] mterry, what do you mean "custom menu items"? [15:48] they use gtkuimanager I think [15:48] seb128, bummer. Like if they used menu items that had custom draw methods or something [15:48] I doubt it [15:49] * mterry never underestimates the nautilus developers' love of writing code [15:50] it happens with the upstream tarball [15:50] so not a local patch [15:50] rickspencer3, didrocks: quickly minus pygame just landed in precise [15:50] mterry: awesome \o/ [15:50] mterry, does this mean I can uninstall desktopcouch now? [15:50] rickspencer3, quickly doesn't need it anymore, yeah [15:51] sweet! [15:51] thanks mterry [15:51] I still think my pygame sprite library is pretty sweet [15:51] I'll put it in another package [15:51] and it can continue to get zero usage from there [15:51] * mterry pats rickspencer3 on the back [16:08] kenvandine, mterry: nothing like pinging upstream ;-) cosimoc has the issue on fedora and thinks it might be [16:08] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672046 [16:08] Gnome bug 672046 in GtkStyleContext "Text-shadow in breadcrumbs needs attention" [Minor,New] [16:09] seb128, nice [17:16] see you guys, have a good Friday and week-end! (tomorrow is off for me) [17:18] godo nighth everyone [17:18] (erk typing) [17:21] pitti, iz beer'o'clock? [17:30] you don't need to realize a widget in gtk3 for it to have a GtkStyleContext, do you? [17:36] chrisccoulson, good question for #gtk+ on irc.gnome.org [17:36] chrisccoulson, what are you looking at? [17:37] seb128, it's ok. i think i figured it out already [17:37] ok [17:37] i'm reviewing the theme integration part of the gtk3 port of firefox [17:38] yay... gtk3 port of firefox! [17:38] \o/ [17:38] when does it land? :p [17:38] * kenvandine leaks to omg [17:38] wait 3 minutes for them to post an article :) [17:39] kenvandine, he said we would have firefox on gtk3 in precise right? ;-) [17:39] that is what i told omg [17:39] :-p [17:40] lol [17:40] it's nothing to get excited about ;) [17:40] the patches have been there on bugzilla for ages now, and i've been assigned reviews to some of them for quite a while now [17:41] just taking the opportunity to clear those :) [17:43] chrisccoulson, oh, that means you clear backlog, soon you will look at g-s-d start time issues ;-) [17:44] chrisccoulson, don't forget to email the desktop list about your chromium by default topic for UDS ;-) [17:44] which will get ported to gtk3 first... firefox or chromium [17:44] it's a race! [17:46] * kenvandine is actually kind of liking epiphany again, epiphany by default! [17:47] kenvandine, I'm waiting for somebody to suggest midori now [17:47] ;-) [17:47] :-D [17:49] well, of course we should be using midori by default [17:49] see! [17:50] cyphermox, hey ;-) how are you? [17:50] not too bad [17:50] and you? [17:50] lynx! [17:50] cyphermox, I'm good thanks [17:50] the security team would love that [17:50] :) [17:50] I think we should switch default browsers every release to really make the security team love us [17:51] indeed [17:52]