| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:11 |
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| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:11 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:11 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:11 |
| Azelphur | !ops | 01:11 |
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| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:11 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:11 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:11 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:11 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:11 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:11 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:12 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:12 |
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| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:12 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:12 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:12 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:12 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:12 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:12 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:12 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:12 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:12 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:12 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:12 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:13 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:13 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:13 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:13 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:13 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:13 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:13 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:13 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:14 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:14 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:14 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:14 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:14 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:14 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:15 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:15 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:15 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:15 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:15 |
| hamitron | sad | 01:16 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 01:16 |
| Azelphur | indeed :P | 01:16 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:16 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:16 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:16 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:16 |
| Azelphur | already asked for an ircop in #freenode, no luck yet though | 01:16 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:16 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:16 |
| hamitron | he is wasting his time anyway | 01:16 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:16 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:16 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:16 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:16 |
| hamitron | only weird people like us stay up this late ;D | 01:16 |
| gry | syria|: Knock that off, please. | 01:16 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 01:16 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:17 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:17 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:17 |
| hamitron | ty | 01:17 |
| pangolin | they will be back with a different IP | 01:17 |
| Azelphur | indeed, ty :) | 01:17 |
| pangolin | been hitting several #ubuntu* channels | 01:17 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:34 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:34 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:34 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:34 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:34 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:34 |
| syria| | القرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فريقالقرف فر | 01:34 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:05 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 07:09 |
| diplo | Morning ladies | 07:13 |
| christel | Azelphur: thank you for trying me, sorry for being asleep! and sorry for the arabic! | 07:21 |
| christel | morning diplo, MartijnVdS and oimon :) | 07:21 |
| christel | er MooDoo* | 07:21 |
| * diplo hates having to do styling seperatly for IE :( | 07:22 | |
| MooDoo | morning christel are you well? | 07:27 |
| christel | i am! :D | 07:28 |
| MooDoo | christel: fab | 07:28 |
| christel | in the process of packing up my life to move house mind | 07:28 |
| christel | so i suspect my stresslevels will soar | 07:28 |
| MooDoo | christel: ouch, long distance move? | 07:29 |
| christel | nah from the northern side of farnham to a smaller town to the south (beacon hill) | 07:29 |
| christel | so about 15mins drive away | 07:29 |
| MooDoo | christel: not so bad then | 07:30 |
| christel | i was originally looking for something closer but on the south side (better schools!) but everything was rather ahem, compact and pricey and i like.. fields and space | 07:30 |
| christel | so i ventured further afield and managed to find somewhere in the middle of nowhere :) | 07:30 |
| MooDoo | cool | 07:31 |
| daubers | Morning | 07:31 |
| BigRedS | g'morning! | 07:47 |
| DJones | Morning all | 07:58 |
| MooDoo | good moaning | 08:02 |
| * dwatkins demonstrates the Raspberry Pi to some relatives and tries to explain how a cheap computer could be great for kids to learn with | 08:07 | |
| DJones | I still think Apple Pi or Cherry Pi would be better, served with double cream & ice cream | 08:12 |
| dwatkins | Don't both those names already have a computer? ;) | 08:14 |
| DJones | Good call, I didn't think of that | 08:14 |
| diplo | dwatkins, what is it like then ? Good buy ? | 08:16 |
| dwatkins | diplo: I havn't received mine yet, just watching videos and preparing to get mine next month, but I suspect for £30 it'll be worth the money even if I just run XBMC on it ;) | 08:19 |
| diplo | heh, I was up at 5:30 to order mine and failed for the next few hours | 08:22 |
| diplo | And I still haven't got round to ordering one yet, and after seeing some of the issues I thought I'd hold off :) | 08:22 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Good morning peeps :) | 08:28 |
| diplo | Morning :) | 08:28 |
| BigRedS | Can the pi do xbmc? | 08:32 |
| BigRedS | I assumed it was too lightweight hardware-wise | 08:32 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Front or back end? | 08:34 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Oh, my bad. Was thinking of mythtv | 08:34 |
| diplo | yeah BigRedS , loads of youtube videos of it | 08:35 |
| JamesTait | Morning all! :) | 08:35 |
| diplo | All off loaded on the GPU, 1080p video goodness | 08:35 |
| BigRedS | ahhhh | 08:40 |
| dwatkins | diplo: yeah, I was up early and also didn't manage to order one then, got a mail a couple days later and ordered straightaway, delivery date is supposedly mid-May. | 08:45 |
| dwatkins | yeah, XBMC looks to run ok, not sure it'll cope with HD video, though. | 08:46 |
| diplo | 1080P dwatkins | 08:50 |
| diplo | They were playing the 1080 videos from blender in the demos ive seen | 08:51 |
| diplo | Playback looks very smooth | 08:51 |
| selinuxium_ | BigRedS, http://www.raspbmc.com/ :) | 08:51 |
| selinuxium_ | Morning all o/ | 08:52 |
| dwatkins | oh cool, diplo - I didn't remember seeing HD video playing | 08:52 |
| diplo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NR57ELY28s | 08:52 |
| === selinuxium_ is now known as selinuxium | ||
| directhex | the chip on the raspberry pi has a very good GPU, so expect video playback for any openmax-supported codecs to be good | 08:54 |
| directhex | cpu's a bit poo though | 08:54 |
| dwatkins | 700 MHz ARM, iirc | 08:54 |
| mrevell | bigcalm_laptop, Hello! This is easier than shouting over the coffee machine. | 08:55 |
| directhex | dwatkins, "ARM" means as much as "x86". much less actually | 08:55 |
| directhex | dwatkins, it's a 700MHz version of the iPhone 1's CPU (the 3GS has a much better CPU) | 08:56 |
| dwatkins | ah ok, didn't know that. I thought ARM was as specific as x86_64 | 08:56 |
| bigcalm_laptop | I'm going to have to take pain killers just to cope with the sofa-esk seats in this cafe | 08:56 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: ello | 08:57 |
| bigcalm_laptop | This maybe comfier on the bum, but the wooden seats had better back support | 08:57 |
| directhex | dwatkins, it's more of a build-your-own. you pick a core ARM instruction set version, then you pick the extensions it support. this doesn't count variants which are available which are missing some instructions so aren't true implementations of a given instruction set | 08:58 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Hey czajkowski | 08:58 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: prod hello | 08:58 |
| directhex | dwatkins, so the Pi can't run Ubuntu because Ubuntu is built for ARMv7 with certain extensions, and Pi has a pretty featureless ARMv6 | 08:58 |
| directhex | there are severe performance implications to building for older arm instruction sets | 09:00 |
| dwatkins | directhex: oh I see, didn't realise there was so much variation in the processors. Could Ubuntu be compiled for the Pi, though? | 09:01 |
| dwatkins | oh ok, so it could be but it might not run so well. | 09:01 |
| directhex | debian "armel" is built for ARMv4 with Thumb extension. i build mono for v5, and have never had a complaint. | 09:01 |
| directhex | debian "armhf" is built for ARMv7 with Thumb-2 and hardware floating point acceleration (arm usually does floating point numbers via software emulation) | 09:02 |
| directhex | ubuntu "armel" is ARMv7 with Thumb-2 and software float, afaik? | 09:03 |
| directhex | dwatkins, the short version is ubuntu could be built for pi with appropriate resources made available, and canonical will not make those resources available gratis, so the pi foundation isn't interested | 09:04 |
| dwatkins | directhex: oh I see, I guess people will run Fedora or whatever the foundation make available, then. | 09:04 |
| directhex | dwatkins, fedora's not a much better choice for them, as it turns out - fedora won't provide any resources either, beyond the one-off image that was already created | 09:05 |
| dwatkins | oh bah, directhex :-/ I wonder what the best choice is (slackware? hurd...? ;) ) | 09:06 |
| dwatkins | oh wait, hurd isn't a distro, it's a bios eplacement, isn't it | 09:06 |
| directhex | hurd is a kernel | 09:07 |
| directhex | pretty much a toy one | 09:07 |
| directhex | the only working hurd distribution is debian hurd-i386 | 09:07 |
| dwatkins | oh yeah, not particularly stable I assume | 09:07 |
| directhex | it's just garbage. doesn't implement basic POSIX, so loads of stuff won't build | 09:07 |
| directhex | not to mention barely any hardware support | 09:08 |
| directhex | dwatkins, debian is the only widely available distro which runs on armv6 | 09:08 |
| dwatkins | that's a great shame, people have high hopes for the Pi | 09:09 |
| BigRedS | are we complaining about the Pi being made of cheap hardware again? :) | 09:12 |
| dwatkins | no, BigRedS ;) we're discussing what distros will run on it... oh wait, that's the same discussion... :) | 09:12 |
| BigRedS | haha | 09:13 |
| directhex | lolz | 09:14 |
| * AlanBell is alt-tabbing and enjoying it :) | 09:14 | |
| gord | AlanBell, i thought you didn't care much for the unity alt-tabber? | 09:15 |
| BigRedS | AlanBell: gnome3? | 09:15 |
| AlanBell | I do now, it works | 09:15 |
| BigRedS | oh! | 09:15 |
| gord | woo | 09:15 |
| AlanBell | BigRedS: no, someone fixed it | 09:15 |
| bigcalm_laptop | gord: happy birthday :) | 09:15 |
| * BigRedS resolves to upgrade when he gets home | 09:15 | |
| gord | bigcalm_laptop, yesterday ;) | 09:15 |
| bigcalm_laptop | gord: so why aren't you here today? | 09:16 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Happy belated birthday :P | 09:16 |
| directhex | dwatkins, the pi's chip is a set-top-box chip. enough GPU to watch HD satellite broadcasts, enough CPU to draw a menu. it's basically designed for XBMC-style cases | 09:16 |
| gord | bigcalm_laptop, gotta stay in to let in the gas man, needs some annual inspection or something like that | 09:16 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Ah, I get to choose when that happens at our house | 09:17 |
| dwatkins | directhex: ah I see; I wonder what they'll be used for in schools. | 09:19 |
| AlanBell | gord: alt-tab and the launcher switching in unity is now quite good, better than gnome2 or other standard switchers | 09:20 |
| directhex | dwatkins, running "scratch", mostly | 09:21 |
| dwatkins | directhex: this, I assume - http://scratch.mit.edu/ | 09:22 |
| dwatkins | reminds me of AVS | 09:22 |
| BigRedS | AlanBell: does it to all apps on all workspaces? | 09:25 |
| BigRedS | Oh, that might be something I broke | 09:25 |
| * BigRedS has vague recollections of trying to fix alt-tab in ccsm | 09:25 | |
| AlanBell | BigRedS: not quite sure, the main thing it does is not raise random windows | 09:35 |
| BigRedS | oooh! | 09:35 |
| AlanBell | I have not had to pin anything on top today, normally I am forever overriding stuff and pinning it so I don't lose windows and basically manually setting my z-order | 09:35 |
| BigRedS | I'm actually looking forward to going home and trying it out now :) | 09:36 |
| AlanBell | it probably makes it harder to use the gimp again | 09:36 |
| AlanBell | actually it doesn't! looks like the Gimp is an exception and that works how you would want it to as well :) | 09:38 |
| AlanBell | all gimp windows raise together, terminal and other windows raise just the one you asked for | 09:38 |
| BigRedS | oh! | 09:40 |
| BigRedS | now it's just the don't-type-the-last-letter thingy the alt-f2 thing has and I'd be overjoyed! | 09:41 |
| AlanBell | I saw something about the HUD being fixed for people who can type in my bug mail | 09:51 |
| * AlanBell turns the HUD back on to try | 09:51 | |
| BigRedS | oh, my only recent experience with the HUD has been it getting in the way of Terminator | 09:52 |
| BigRedS | It was amazing for the several hours after I first got it, and then I realised that muscle memory and keyboard shortcuts are still quicker than thinking | 09:52 |
| AlanBell | yup, HUD works now too | 09:52 |
| AlanBell | HUD was always clever in that you could just mash the keyboard and hit some of the letters that feature in the menu entry you want and it would offer it | 09:53 |
| gord | bah, be have said no fibre this year :( | 09:53 |
| AlanBell | keeps you regular | 09:55 |
| gord | and yes, HUD fully supports cat typing.. unfortunately | 09:55 |
| BigRedS | Does it do synonyms? | 09:55 |
| BigRedS | that was my big worry. I think it needs that at launch | 09:55 |
| BigRedS | so I can ask for 'options' and get 'preferences' | 09:56 |
| gord | hud only reads from menus and menus have no idea of synonyms | 09:56 |
| AlanBell | they do know about translations though | 09:59 |
| AlanBell | and a11y hints | 09:59 |
| AlanBell | though I don't know if dbus menu strips out all of that stuff | 09:59 |
| gord | they don't know about translations, only the resulting translation | 10:00 |
| BigRedS | gord: yeah, I suspected so. Are there plans to wedge synonym awareness in there somewhere? | 10:00 |
| gord | it would be nice, but i don't think its possible without re-writing how menus work across toolkits and a huge effort behind translators too | 10:01 |
| BigRedS | Ah, fair enough | 10:03 |
| BigRedS | I'd assumed there was some way to slip a layer in there to do synonym lookups before checking what the menus have | 10:04 |
| AlanBell | that sounds hard/bad to me | 10:07 |
| BigRedS | bad? | 10:09 |
| BigRedS | well, it'd be hard to do well, I suppose | 10:09 |
| BigRedS | it's just that when you're browsing the menu for 'resize' and you see 'scale' you know that'll do what you want | 10:09 |
| AlanBell | it would be a mess with translations | 10:10 |
| AlanBell | I think you have to do it well or not at all | 10:10 |
| BigRedS | but if you're searching for 'resize' and teh app calls it 'resize' it'd make sense to not have the human need to think up synonyms to try | 10:10 |
| gord | HUD really isn't for searching right now ;) | 10:10 |
| BigRedS | yeah, but if you do it not at all you can't afford to have the hud as the only easy way to get at anything which someone was telling me was the eventual plan | 10:11 |
| gord | its for getting what you already know exists | 10:11 |
| BigRedS | yeah, is there a hud-way to find out what exists? Or is the plan to keep the menus there for that? | 10:13 |
| BigRedS | I really need to keep up with all this stuff better. Is there a ubuntu-design-announce or similar list? :) | 10:14 |
| gord | i think thats marks blog ;) | 10:15 |
| popey | hah | 10:15 |
| BigRedS | haha | 10:16 |
| BigRedS | i really need to write my blog-to-mail converter thingy | 10:16 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 10:26 |
| * daubers makes a coffee | 10:31 | |
| kvarley | I want to install libssp0-dev in Oneric. I can't seem to find that package. Has it being renamed? | 10:45 |
| popey | debian bug 421162 | 10:48 |
| lubotu3 | Debian bug 421162 in libssp0 "gcc-4.1: libssp0 is gone, several packages depend on it" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/421162 | 10:48 |
| kvarley | popey: Thanks, I shall browse packages.ubuntu for it | 10:48 |
| kvarley | (In an older release | 10:49 |
| kvarley | Hhmm, can't find it | 10:51 |
| kvarley | It was listed as a dependency for an application I'm trying to build. I'll see if it throws an error because of the package or whether it has been phased out. | 10:52 |
| popey | what package? | 10:54 |
| kvarley | libssp0-dev | 10:56 |
| czajkowski | folks may be interested if they are around - https://events.bcs.org/book/276/ | 10:56 |
| popey | kvarley: no, what are you trying to build | 10:56 |
| kvarley | rutorrent | 10:56 |
| kvarley | popey: Sorry, misunderstood. Trying to build rutorrent. | 10:57 |
| popey | never heard of that, is that like rtorrent? | 10:57 |
| kvarley | popey: It's a web-ui for rtorrent yes. | 10:57 |
| popey | neat | 10:57 |
| BigRedS | czajkowski: when you post those, can you say what they are? | 10:57 |
| kvarley | popey: I suspect it may be an old dependency of rtorrent or libtorrent as those need to be built from source because rtorrent needs the xmlrpc extension. | 10:58 |
| kvarley | popey: ty for help anyway | 10:58 |
| popey | sorry i can't help ☺ | 10:59 |
| kvarley | popey: ah ha, the ubuntu package has the necessary flags so I no longer need to build it! =] | 10:59 |
| popey | hah | 11:00 |
| popey | AlanBell / ali1234 do we know that notifications appear on the "wrong" screen? | 11:00 |
| czajkowski | BigRedS: I can or a simple click on it might just do, london museum | 11:01 |
| BigRedS | er, if you like | 11:02 |
| AlanBell | popey: erm, they actually appear on the screen now I think | 11:10 |
| AlanBell | what are you calling wrong? | 11:11 |
| AlanBell | yes, they now appear on the right hand screen even if the top of the right screen is lower than the top of the left screen | 11:11 |
| popey | AlanBell: i have a laptop and an external display | 11:13 |
| popey | AlanBell: if i adjust brightness of laptop screen, the notifications are on the external display | 11:13 |
| popey | which makes no sense | 11:13 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: it does to the design team! :P | 11:14 |
| popey | :p | 11:14 |
| AlanBell | is the external display on the left or right? | 11:14 |
| AlanBell | and does it work different on a mac :) | 11:15 |
| oimon | is there any way to stop SPAM SMS messages ? | 11:16 |
| oimon | they come from different numbers each time | 11:16 |
| kvarley | oimon: On android you can have a firewall for that kind of thing. But if the numbers keep changing then it'll be useless. | 11:17 |
| popey | AlanBell: neither, it's on top :p | 11:17 |
| AlanBell | popey: ooh interesting. well I guess the notifications go on the top right screen then | 11:18 |
| oimon | The TPS can accept the registration of mobile telephone numbers, however it is important to note that this will prevent the receipt of marketing voice calls but not SMS (text) messages. | 11:18 |
| * AlanBell sees an "opinion" status in popey's future | 11:19 | |
| * christel tickles AlanBell | 11:21 | |
| popey | http://ubuntuone.com/4CgRR0eZRmKp4TWdqFcilR | 11:21 |
| popey | my desktop ^^ | 11:21 |
| AlanBell | wonder what happens if you drag the top screen to the left a bit so the bottom one extends past it slightly | 11:22 |
| * AlanBell wriggles | 11:22 | |
| popey | hmmm | 11:23 |
| AlanBell | oh down go the notifications :) | 11:24 |
| popey | haha | 11:25 |
| AlanBell | anyhow, I don't think there is anything in the notification spec that says "it would be rather sensible if this notification happened on this screen" they all go where they go | 11:25 |
| popey | yeah, they move | 11:25 |
| AlanBell | which is the top of the right-most screen | 11:25 |
| popey | what should I file a bug against? | 11:25 |
| AlanBell | ayatana design | 11:25 |
| popey | i need to prop my display up a bit | 11:26 |
| * popey looks for a big boys book of java to stand it on | 11:26 | |
| AlanBell | and demo it to John Lea, preferably with a comparison to it doing something more sensible on a macbook | 11:26 |
| popey | i can do that | 11:27 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: Java in a Nutshell | 11:29 |
| popey | i have core java fundamentals | 11:30 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: is appropriately coconut-sized 8-) | 11:30 |
| popey | and core java advanced features | 11:30 |
| MartijnVdS | http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007737.do | 11:30 |
| popey | that tiger looks a touch surprised | 11:31 |
| popey | he he having a rectal exam or something? | 11:31 |
| MartijnVdS | guess where the coconut goes | 11:31 |
| * oimon tries out knoppix 7 | 11:31 | |
| popey | hah | 11:31 |
| oimon | lol @tiger | 11:32 |
| oimon | kde is stil looking ugly :( | 11:32 |
| BigRedS | haha! | 11:32 |
| BigRedS | I thought knoppix was xfce now? | 11:33 |
| AlanBell | christel: so when do you move? | 11:33 |
| BigRedS | Only 'cause the last person to whom I mentioned my surprise at KDE on a liveCD said it'd changed | 11:33 |
| oimon | BigRedS, lxde by defaut | 11:33 |
| BigRedS | oh! | 11:33 |
| * AlanBell wonders about a busy day next friday | 11:33 | |
| oimon | which looks like KDE3.5 | 11:33 |
| oimon | (not a bad thing) | 11:33 |
| BigRedS | yeah | 11:33 |
| AlanBell | anyone in London available next friday to tell the Cabinet Office all about open standards? | 11:33 |
| BigRedS | I tried lxde for a bit when the end of Gnome 2 was first mooted | 11:34 |
| BigRedS | wont everyone be hungover? | 11:34 |
| popey | +1 | 11:34 |
| AlanBell | BigRedS: probably | 11:34 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: I'll be in London 10-12 May | 11:34 |
| oimon | knoppix is the distro you put on a flash disk if you want every useful app :) | 11:34 |
| oimon | i guess many people won't notice that it is lxde they are using | 11:35 |
| BigRedS | you really shouldn't need to notice which DE you're using... | 11:36 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: (for http://www.last.fm/event/3206070 + http://www.last.fm/event/3206071) | 11:36 |
| BigRedS | oimon: it's what you use instead of systemrescue CD now you've GBs to play with :) | 11:36 |
| oimon | yeah | 11:36 |
| oimon | shame about all the compiz aninations... | 11:37 |
| oimon | my windows are expliding and burning | 11:37 |
| oimon | the teenagers must love it | 11:37 |
| BigRedS | compiz? oh. haha | 11:38 |
| BigRedS | well, still gotta show off how efficiently they can pack an OS into something run in ram I suppose | 11:38 |
| * AlanBell likes compiz | 11:38 | |
| BigRedS | plain lxde was too easy :) | 11:38 |
| oimon | super + mouse wheel for zooming is brilliant | 11:38 |
| AlanBell | hopefully wayland will have all the compiz goodness | 11:38 |
| oimon | use it most days | 11:38 |
| AlanBell | oimon: yeah, but my patch to turn that on was rejected | 11:39 |
| oimon | :-\ | 11:39 |
| oimon | too useful, rejected | 11:39 |
| oimon | i use alt+wheel now | 11:39 |
| AlanBell | apparenly someone somewhere zoomed in and couldn't work out how to zoom back out again | 11:39 |
| AlanBell | so the feature was turned off by default for everyone | 11:39 |
| popey | makes sense | 11:39 |
| popey | same for workspaces | 11:39 |
| popey | they should be off by default | 11:40 |
| AlanBell | I can understand that | 11:40 |
| BigRedS | I think it should be easy to stumble across them, though | 11:40 |
| oimon | if you turn everything off by default, you end up needing a windows style video to tell you about stuff :( | 11:40 |
| BigRedS | they're really really good | 11:40 |
| AlanBell | it would be nice to have stuff like that in the app store | 11:40 |
| AlanBell | so you go and install multiple workspaces or zooming | 11:41 |
| oimon | or a noob friendly version of ccsm | 11:41 |
| BigRedS | why not just a 'features' checklist in some config dialog? | 11:41 |
| AlanBell | the plan was to turn everything off, and throw away the keys by dropping ccsm from the repos | 11:41 |
| BigRedS | I'm wary of turning off all the plus-points in an effort to not scare people away | 11:43 |
| BigRedS | why stay if all teh good stuff's off? | 11:43 |
| BigRedS | but I think there's a few really good reasons I don't work in UI design | 11:43 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I don't think things catching fire is an essential feature :) | 11:45 |
| AlanBell | show mouse is awesome though | 11:45 |
| BigRedS | haha | 11:45 |
| AlanBell | turn the plugin on (wait 10 seconds for unity to reload and these days it generally does) then press super+k | 11:45 |
| BigRedS | Xeyes by default! | 11:46 |
| oimon | knoppix is probably the distro i would give my 15 year old nephew :P | 11:46 |
| oimon | everyone wants to be l33t when they are that age | 11:46 |
| AlanBell | when you turn on or off a plugin then the whole stack of compiz plugins are asked to re-read their settings, unity used to die in a heap every time that happened, which was the main reason they nearly dropped ccsm | 11:46 |
| gordonjcp | is knoppix still on the go? | 11:46 |
| oimon | gordonjcp, yes, latest one is based off debian 6 | 11:47 |
| oimon | i have it on a 9gb dvd | 11:47 |
| BigRedS | AlanBell: ah, is that why it's still not there by default? | 11:47 |
| AlanBell | and also turn down the mouse polling interval to 1, the default of 40 is pointlessly slow | 11:47 |
| AlanBell | BigRedS: yeah, there were two problems, the instability of unity when reloading itself (solved) and the problem with dependency on the largedesktop feature which meant if you switched from wall to cube you had to turn off unity during the transition | 11:48 |
| oimon | some essential features are in ccsm that are not found anywhere else | 11:49 |
| AlanBell | and as that wasn't an actual hard dependency I did a patch to remove it | 11:49 |
| BigRedS | ahhh | 11:49 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I was a bit irked that unity seemed to come with a bunch of dumb defaults and nowhere to change them | 11:49 |
| AlanBell | so I fixed the problems and got a bit grumpy, so ccsm didn't get dropped :) | 11:50 |
| BigRedS | haha | 11:50 |
| oimon | ccsm doesn't appear in app search for download | 11:50 |
| oimon | you have to write the full name | 11:50 |
| BigRedS | nah, it's called compizconfig-settings-manager | 11:50 |
| oimon | deliberate, i wonder? | 11:50 |
| BigRedS | make it even harder to find? | 11:50 |
| gord | its always been that way | 11:50 |
| popey | no | 11:50 |
| gord | for years | 11:50 |
| oimon | need moar metadata | 11:50 |
| pangolin | a metapackage named ccsm would be nice | 11:50 |
| popey | you can fix it if you want | 11:50 |
| popey | or just complain here. | 11:50 |
| popey | and speculate. | 11:50 |
| oimon | s/complain/make observation | 11:50 |
| BigRedS | you need to stop telling me that's an option :) | 11:50 |
| BigRedS | I'll only keep doing it :) | 11:51 |
| popey | hah | 11:51 |
| AlanBell | there are loads of forum posts out there telling people to "sudo apt-get install ccsm" there was a cleanup effort a while back | 11:51 |
| oimon | i only discovered since i'd been on 10.04 for 2 years | 11:51 |
| BigRedS | Most of the time, though, I come here and grumble about something and then someone tells me it was fixed yesterday | 11:51 |
| AlanBell | https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=%22sudo+apt-get+install+ccsm%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk | 11:52 |
| oimon | i found it strange because once it's installed, then you can run it with ccsm | 11:52 |
| BigRedS | well, yeah, but there's lots of packages whose names aren't the name of the executable | 11:52 |
| BigRedS | none come to mind immediately, though... | 11:52 |
| christel | AlanBell: i aim to finish moving by july! | 11:53 |
| oimon | most issues in ubuntu that i experience end up being deliberate by design | 11:53 |
| BigRedS | yeah. Well, there's a fine line to tread between making it really easy to break your system and making it really easy to not break it | 11:53 |
| BigRedS | and Ubuntu has *always* drawn that further towards the latter than most distros | 11:54 |
| BigRedS | that's sort of it's point | 11:54 |
| BigRedS | but that means you get 'dumb' design decisions that mean you can't do unusual things by default | 11:54 |
| pangolin | BigRedS, that was fixed just last night | 11:55 |
| BigRedS | pangolin: :) | 11:55 |
| pangolin | no more dumb design decisions is included in the kernel update | 11:55 |
| pangolin | I think Unity was a great decision, it made me give KDE a real chance and now I love KDE | 11:56 |
| oimon | KDE takes some effort to love | 11:56 |
| oimon | as an ex-3.5.x lover .. | 11:56 |
| oimon | i still can't like 4.x | 11:56 |
| BigRedS | yeah, it's nice how many people have taken the end of Gnome2 as an excuse to try everything else out | 11:57 |
| BigRedS | I'm not used to peopel caring much about DEs beyond what colour the panel is. | 11:58 |
| AlanBell | anyone not filled this out yet? http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/ | 12:04 |
| popey | bug11:03:25 -!- sense [~sense@ubuntu/member/qense] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] | 12:08 |
| popey | er | 12:08 |
| popey | no idea how that happened | 12:09 |
| popey | bug 985586 | 12:09 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 985586 in Ayatana Design "Brightness notifications appear on 'wrong' screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/985586 | 12:09 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Silly Lighthouse network connection, forcing me to use my phone | 12:09 |
| oimon | BigRedS, i think the choice of DE can have a sizable impact on your workflow | 12:09 |
| BigRedS | yeah | 12:10 |
| BigRedS | which is why it's nice that people are thinking about them again | 12:10 |
| BigRedS | I've long found I'm completely unproductive in unity, but find Gnome 3 fine, so Gnome 3 is on my work PC and Unity at home | 12:11 |
| oimon | what i don't understand is why somebody would need to switch to the mythical arch linux to get another DE | 12:11 |
| gordonjcp | I find it the opposite way round | 12:11 |
| gordonjcp | I just can't get my head around gnome 3 at all | 12:11 |
| oimon | BigRedS, how do you switch between apps, and see what windows are open/find a relevant window? | 12:11 |
| BigRedS | alt-tab and ctrl-alt-arrows | 12:12 |
| oimon | i'm more mouse oriented | 12:12 |
| BigRedS | I rarely want to know which windows are open | 12:12 |
| oimon | we're probably quite opposite then | 12:12 |
| BigRedS | but I have a _really_ static set of apps open | 12:12 |
| BigRedS | yeah | 12:12 |
| oimon | i have a lot of windows that i'm often copy-paste or comparing stuff | 12:13 |
| oimon | and end up with lots of libreoffice, pdf, and terminals and millions of chomrium tabs | 12:13 |
| BigRedS | yeah, sometimes I copy-paste, normally pidgin-to-terminal or terminal-to-mail client, though | 12:13 |
| BigRedS | I get round multiple terminals with guake, terminator, tabs and screen | 12:14 |
| BigRedS | before guake I used to have xterms all over the place | 12:14 |
| oimon | i tried using a tablet for work for a few days, and it was impossible. for some people, it would work ok | 12:14 |
| oimon | it's another strange design in unity that if it hit the BFB and type gimp, and discover it's not installed, i then click on the pencil icon to download it, but word gets deleted and i have to retype it :-\ | 12:16 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I do way too much typing to get away with a tablet | 12:16 |
| oimon | for me it's the copy paste workflow that doesn't work with tablets (and full-screen DEs like gnome3) | 12:16 |
| BigRedS | ah yeah, I do very little copy-paste | 12:22 |
| ali1234 | popey: what do you mean by "notifications" "wrong" and "we"? | 12:24 |
| popey | 13:09:11 < popey> bug 985586 | 12:24 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 985586 in Ayatana Design "Brightness notifications appear on 'wrong' screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/985586 | 12:24 |
| popey | ^ that | 12:24 |
| ali1234 | no idea, i don't have a way to adjust brightness | 12:25 |
| ali1234 | all notifications always appear in the same place though right? | 12:25 |
| ali1234 | you want the brightness one to always be on the monitor that is being adjusted? | 12:26 |
| oimon | http://ubuntuone.com/01mz0gRvonVFpGpoi31Idq bit of a strange description for an app? | 12:27 |
| popey | yeah ali1234 | 12:29 |
| popey | makes sense | 12:29 |
| ali1234 | i guess but it will mean totally rewriting the notifications probably | 12:29 |
| ali1234 | and it took a yer for them to fix it so that they were even on the screen at all with multimonitor | 12:29 |
| ali1234 | *year | 12:29 |
| popey | heh | 12:29 |
| ali1234 | so good luck getting that fixed | 12:30 |
| DJones | Sheesh, next thing people will want all notifications to appear on whichever screen they happen to be looking at, I guess a driver is needed to use a webcam to detect which direction the eyes are looking to decide which screen is being stared at | 12:30 |
| oimon | anyone here use ubuntu one? if i publish a file to web, it seems i need to hit f5 in nautilus before seeing the copy-web-link option . i don't think it use to do that? | 12:31 |
| popey | DJones: where the mouse is located is a good indicator | 12:31 |
| DJones | popey: Good thinking | 12:32 |
| popey | oimon: you have to wait till the notification has displayed | 12:32 |
| popey | http://www.matform.co.uk/Contact_Us | 12:32 |
| popey | bah! | 12:32 |
| oimon | popey, ah cheers. i didn't see the notification this time (?) | 12:32 |
| popey | http://ubuntuone.com/6zO2vCcNHPQohcyDOLkYfr | 12:32 |
| popey | just tested it | 12:33 |
| AlanBell | http://londonraspi01.eventbrite.co.uk/ pre-release party event | 12:37 |
| ali1234 | how can they have a pre-release party when it's already released? | 12:39 |
| oimon | popey, i tihnk the issue is that my notifications are borken! | 12:39 |
| oimon | that's a rather difficult bug to report | 12:39 |
| dogmatic69 | My crons are generating emails and the error is 'tput: No value for $TERM and no -T specified' | 12:41 |
| dogmatic69 | checked google, but not found much help | 12:41 |
| dogmatic69 | any ideas? | 12:41 |
| oimon | is it a bug that notifications are not seen if chromium is running full screen on the display that notifications appear on | 12:42 |
| dogmatic69 | I am doing * * * * /some/command > /dev/null so its something from stderr I believe | 12:42 |
| gordonjcp | dogmatic69: cron jobs are run with nothing set in the environment | 12:43 |
| dogmatic69 | gordonjcp: I just set it up with crontab -e, is there anything else I should do? | 12:43 |
| BigRedS | dogmatic69: yeah, you need to export TERM to something | 12:45 |
| BigRedS | or call whatever /some/command is with -T <whatever you want to set as teh terminal> | 12:45 |
| BigRedS | that's a problem that /some/command is having, not a cron issue | 12:45 |
| dogmatic69 | hmmm | 12:45 |
| dogmatic69 | its a CakePHP shell, so that might be a bug? | 12:46 |
| dogmatic69 | I am calling this https://github.com/cakephp/cakephp/blob/master/lib/Cake/Console/cake | 12:46 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Connection theif! | 12:51 |
| bigcalm_laptop | thief | 12:52 |
| oimon | As a trial during the Lucid development cycle, when an application inhibits notifications, we should display a notification: “Further notifications have been disabled.” | 12:53 |
| oimon | i wonder if that's still the case - don't remember seeing that before | 12:54 |
| BigRedS | dogmatic69: did it come with any documentation? Is it designed to be run in cron? | 12:56 |
| dogmatic69 | well it is a shell script | 12:57 |
| dogmatic69 | its not uncommon to use it in crons | 12:57 |
| BigRedS | yeah, so it's supposed to work in that instance | 12:57 |
| dogmatic69 | BigRedS: what can I set -T with? | 12:58 |
| dogmatic69 | loads of posts say just /dev/null &2>1 but I would rather fix it so I can catch other serious issues | 12:58 |
| BigRedS | dogmatic69: well, you'd need to find where tput is called and append that to it | 12:59 |
| BigRedS | or set the $TERM environment var | 13:00 |
| oimon | BigRedS, your name is red in my xchat. thought you would like that :D | 13:00 |
| BigRedS | haha | 13:00 |
| dogmatic69 | cool, what can I set $TERM to then? | 13:00 |
| dogmatic69 | oimon: mine too :D | 13:00 |
| dogmatic69 | BigRedS: TERM=bash? or TERM=foobar | 13:00 |
| BigRedS | It depends what it uses it for. xterm's pretty common | 13:00 |
| BigRedS | (so export TERM="xterm") | 13:01 |
| BigRedS | it likely only matters if you need it to be set to something weird | 13:01 |
| oimon | like installing solaris from the text console :P | 13:02 |
| dogmatic69 | bah, now I cant save the crontab | 13:02 |
| dogmatic69 | "/tmp/crontab.HxMsB4/crontab":23: bad minute | 13:02 |
| dogmatic69 | errors in crontab file, can't install. | 13:02 |
| oimon | paste a copy of crontab to pastebin | 13:03 |
| oimon | could be a spurious first character in the line | 13:03 |
| dogmatic69 | its just MAILTO="me..." and */1 * * * * /my/command > /dev/null | 13:04 |
| oimon | what's on line 23? | 13:04 |
| dogmatic69 | if I comment the new 'export ...' out its fine | 13:04 |
| BigRedS | so it's not just a MAILTO and */1 *.... | 13:04 |
| dogmatic69 | oimon: the export | 13:05 |
| BigRedS | You can't just export stuff in crontabs | 13:05 |
| dogmatic69 | :/ | 13:05 |
| oimon | one way is to replace /my/command with /my/command.sh | 13:05 |
| BigRedS | normally you'd use a wrapper script which sets up the environment and then calls the script and stick that in the cron | 13:05 |
| oimon | what he said ^ | 13:05 |
| BigRedS | you could just modify the script cakephp have given you if you want, though | 13:05 |
| BigRedS | that's basically being a shell wrapper, but your changes will be clobbered by upgrades | 13:05 |
| dogmatic69 | I am not into 'hacking the core' of CakePHP | 13:06 |
| BigRedS | it's not, it's just editing a file | 13:06 |
| BigRedS | but, yeah, I'd normally just wrap the wrapper :) | 13:06 |
| oimon | if you really want you can put it on the same line: | 13:06 |
| oimon | export TERM=xterm; /my/command | 13:07 |
| dogmatic69 | ye, but I maintain 100's of Cake apps and dont have time to maintain my own fork of hacks. I will speak to them and see if it can be merged into the core or other work arounds | 13:07 |
| oimon | dogmatic69, i think you've missed the point | 13:07 |
| BigRedS | just write something like this: http://pastebin.com/vrQJ5PR4 | 13:07 |
| BigRedS | than stick *that* in your crontab | 13:07 |
| BigRedS | but, yeah, also file a bug | 13:07 |
| dogmatic69 | ye, the actual app I work on is OS and is not limited to linux so its not that simple | 13:08 |
| BigRedS | well, either you need to get some change in the CakePHP or you need to work around that | 13:09 |
| oimon | all this talk of cake makes me hungry | 13:35 |
| dwatkins | I just had some cake. It had too many raisins in for my liking, though. | 13:37 |
| BigRedS | cakes shouldn't have raisins | 13:37 |
| BigRedS | cake is not a suitable place to put fruit | 13:38 |
| BigRedS | except bananas | 13:38 |
| oimon | as it's easter, i'm scoffing these mostly http://www.flickr.com/photos/oimon/5158732351/in/photostream | 13:38 |
| SuperEngineer | I'm confused [not hard]... now gone from no alert sounds on 12.04 to at least 1 working - window sounds /action sounds still dead - yet no relevant update to have caused the minotr change.., | 13:43 |
| SuperEngineer | ...oh... hi folks | 13:45 |
| SuperEngineer | ;) | 13:45 |
| popey | i still dont know what alert sounds you mean | 13:45 |
| popey | what exactly step by step do you need to do to _make_ a sound | 13:46 |
| * DJones orders the GPS add on dongle for his prime on the basis that its free and may come in handy at some point even though GPS is working fine | 13:47 | |
| SuperEngineer | popey, such as those found in /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu etc | 13:49 |
| popey | no, thats not what I asked | 13:49 |
| SuperEngineer | popey, [rthat | 13:49 |
| popey | I am asking what you expect to happen | 13:49 |
| popey | not where the files are | 13:49 |
| oimon | can someone on precise try something for me? open a tomboy window by clicking icon->search all notes, then maximise another window (or in my case with 2 monitors, maximise 1 app on each monitor). then click tomboy icon and click search all notes. - what happens? | 13:52 |
| SuperEngineer | I expect a sound to be heard when an action is preformed [p.s. these were called "window sounds" *I think* in 10.04 - can't remember. I'll go bbs and switch back to 10.04 & check if it helps understanding. | 13:52 |
| popey | SuperEngineer: you haven't said what action | 13:53 |
| SuperEngineer | mouse click on dialogue buttons | 13:54 |
| popey | oimon: it doesn't raise the window, i noticed this yesterday, file a bug | 13:54 |
| oimon | popey, ta | 13:54 |
| oimon | popey, noticed with tomboy or other app? | 13:55 |
| popey | tomboy | 13:55 |
| oimon | not sure whose bug it is | 13:55 |
| oimon | unity or tomboy | 13:55 |
| popey | probably compiz or tomboy, not unity | 13:55 |
| SuperEngineer | popey, mouse click on dialogue buttons - like "close" | 13:55 |
| oimon | i'll try tomboy | 13:55 |
| popey | i would go for compiz | 13:56 |
| popey | SuperEngineer: how do you enable this? | 13:56 |
| popey | SuperEngineer: i have never had sounds happen when clicking on buttons so I'm trying to understand how you got to know it's broken, how was it enabled, where did it happen | 13:57 |
| oimon | :P i'll do compiz as advised :P | 13:57 |
| popey | is tomboy the only app you've noticed it with? | 13:57 |
| SuperEngineer | popey, In 10.04 - my comparison - there is a check box in sound settings - in 12.04 there isn't | 13:57 |
| * popey checks other mono apps | 13:57 | |
| popey | oimon: you may be right, could be tomboy only | 13:58 |
| oimon | popey, dropbox-preferences does the same | 13:58 |
| popey | ooh | 13:58 |
| popey | works here | 13:59 |
| oimon | open dropbox folder does not, since it opens another instnace of nautlus each time | 13:59 |
| popey | hah, sometimes | 13:59 |
| popey | the icon wobbles | 13:59 |
| popey | and gets a blue triangle | 13:59 |
| oimon | wiggles, more than tomboy | 13:59 |
| popey | yeah | 13:59 |
| oimon | hmm | 13:59 |
| popey | no idea then ☺ | 14:00 |
| popey | maybe ask in #ubuntu-unity | 14:00 |
| popey | or #ubuntu-desktop | 14:00 |
| popey | seb123 might know | 14:00 |
| oimon | thx , i'll try unity | 14:00 |
| oimon | # | 14:00 |
| SuperEngineer | bbs - off to 10.04 to sanity check | 14:00 |
| popey | didrocks is also super helpful ☺ | 14:00 |
| SuperEngineer | popey: in 10.04's "Sound Preference" there is a separate check-box titled "Enable window & button sounds". When ticked, even clicking an app icon on panel to start the app causes a sound response. In 12.04 - none of this available to me - no check box is even there. The check-box in question is at bottom of "sound effects" - it is a separate thing altogether from "Alert volume" | 14:10 |
| popey | gotcha | 14:10 |
| SuperEngineer | ...whew - at last ;) | 14:11 |
| popey | long time since i ran 10.04 and I've never clicked that button | 14:13 |
| popey | get a screenshot of it | 14:13 |
| popey | and you can file it as a regression bug | 14:13 |
| SuperEngineer | popeyn as in you want or you got | 14:13 |
| SuperEngineer | popey: as in you want or you got | 14:13 |
| popey | what? | 14:13 |
| SuperEngineer | sorry - just joking... thought you might appreciate a screeshot youself as a souvenir ;) | 14:14 |
| popey | hah | 14:17 |
| SuperEngineer | popey: but seriously, thanks for all the help during this [it's been going on a while IIRC] | 14:19 |
| popey | np | 14:20 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| bigcalm_laptop | One day that I'm out of the office, I bet the 2.5" -> 3.5" brackets arrived in the post | 14:36 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Amazing how productive today as been | 14:36 |
| bigcalm_laptop | I think it helps not going to the LUG on a Wednesday night before this | 14:36 |
| oimon | dragging a unity icon to trash to remove it from launcher has now become v dificult when the launcher overflows | 14:45 |
| oimon | doesn't scroll down :-\ | 14:45 |
| popey | oooh, thats a bug | 14:51 |
| gordonjcp | can't you right-click and "Remove from launcher"? | 14:54 |
| popey | you can, but drag to trash should work too | 14:56 |
| oimon | they used to allow to just drag off the launcher, but now force drag to trash, which is OK if it works | 14:57 |
| AlanBell | someone broke my internets | 14:59 |
| BigRedS | sorry! | 14:59 |
| oimon | i keep clicking u1 icon instead of software centre :-\ | 14:59 |
| czajkowski | they do look rather similar | 15:01 |
| czajkowski | and I've my icons going by colour so always get them mixed up | 15:01 |
| oimon | is there an official name for when you have too many icons on the launcher? | 15:08 |
| oimon | concertina mode? | 15:08 |
| popey | no idea | 15:08 |
| DJones | oimon: Busy or greedy springs to mind | 15:08 |
| oimon | it isn't reported so far, so i was gonna add a bug report | 15:08 |
| oimon | overfull | 15:08 |
| oimon | bug 985710 | 15:16 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 985710 in unity "cannot drag icon from launcher to trash when the launcher is full of icons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/985710 | 15:16 |
| andylockran | anyone else having issues with Spitfire Internet? | 15:19 |
| andylockran | Their Bloomsbury exchange (run by easynet) is down | 15:19 |
| davmor2_ | oimon: right click the U1 icon and unlock it :) | 15:19 |
| andylockran | and it's messing life up for me right and proper | 15:19 |
| andylockran | got 1 more week until I get bethere installed | 15:19 |
| AlanChicken | hullo | 15:19 |
| oimon | davmor2_, that is a possible solution yes, :D | 15:20 |
| === AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell | ||
| AlanBell | yay | 15:21 |
| SuperEngineer | AlanBell, what's the 3rd option? Chicken bell? D-O-N-G ;) | 15:24 |
| * DJones points AlanChicken to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/17769677 | 15:26 | |
| AlanBell | looking like a party already http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1624/detail/ | 15:33 |
| popey | hmm | 15:36 |
| popey | in rhythmbox how do you get it to copy music when you import? | 15:36 |
| popey | right, opened banshee, used import there | 15:39 |
| popey | and now rhytthmbox sees them | 15:39 |
| * AlanBell ponders ltsp and vnc and other things | 16:08 | |
| AlanBell | my daughter is complaining that her computer is too slow (P4 1.8Ghz) | 16:08 |
| AlanBell | I want to run a browser with flash on my computer and remote it to hers somehow | 16:09 |
| popey | hah! | 16:09 |
| popey | my kids have 900MHz celerons! | 16:09 |
| bigcalm_laptop | I do believe it's pub time! | 16:09 |
| AlanBell | it is maxed out at 1GB ram too | 16:10 |
| AlanBell | not sure if LTSP is the way forward, is that based on X or VNC or something else? | 16:10 |
| AlanBell | ssh -X and running chromium-browser was too slow | 16:11 |
| AlanBell | maybe freenx is the way forward? | 16:11 |
| AlanBell | or maybe that got dropped from the repos | 16:13 |
| andylockran | ls | 16:14 |
| AlanBell | file not found | 16:15 |
| popey | AlanBell: a 1.8GHz that only take 1GB RAM? | 16:15 |
| directhex | 1.8... wiliamette? | 16:16 |
| directhex | or did that top out at 1.3 | 16:16 |
| AlanBell | hmm, dunno for sure, but I thought I had filled it up | 16:16 |
| chris_w | hello, how to rename a luks partition? it is mounted as /media/"uuid" quite unhandy | 16:17 |
| directhex | if it's socket 423, then more ram will cost hundreds | 16:17 |
| directhex | 423 = RAMBUS | 16:17 |
| popey | my kids eee 900's with celerons have 2GB RAM | 16:18 |
| dogmatic69 | found a new shortcut for screen, instead of ctrl+a then [ for scroll, just F7 | 16:19 |
| AlanBell | dell optiplex GX 260 | 16:19 |
| AlanBell | 2 DIMM slots; 128MB shared3 non-EEC DDR SDRam as standard; 1GB - max using 128MB, 256MB, | 16:19 |
| AlanBell | 512MB modules | 16:19 |
| popey | ooh handy dogmatic69 | 16:20 |
| popey | bummer | 16:20 |
| DJones | AlanBell: One of these? http://www.mrmemory.co.uk/memory/product.asp?ProductID=12525 | 16:20 |
| dogmatic69 | very, much quicker with just 1 key press | 16:20 |
| popey | yeah | 16:20 |
| popey | and i forget the other one | 16:20 |
| AlanBell | DJones: yeah, looks like that, maybe it will take 2GB, but I don't have that lying around | 16:21 |
| popey | i might | 16:21 |
| popey | take a picture of one, or find one, i might have in my box'o'ram | 16:22 |
| DJones | AlanBell: I've got a GX270 that takes 2Gb & looks to have the same case, although I guess bios/motheroeard could be different, but the memory type looks the same (from my own memory) | 16:22 |
| AlanBell | I need to pop round and pick up that microphone at some point :) | 16:22 |
| AlanBell | I think the main problem is that the CPU isn't very fast | 16:23 |
| DJones | Maybe different, DDR 2700 in the 270 compared to DDR2100 in the 260 | 16:23 |
| AlanBell | not beefy enough to do the cbbc horrible histories flash games | 16:23 |
| AlanBell | well it runs them, but not smoothly | 16:23 |
| AlanBell | I might do more of a rearrangement of computers | 16:24 |
| * gord requests that popey change his Unicode smiley face to 😸 | 16:30 | |
| Azelphur | christel: haha, np I got an IRCOp from #freenode to sort it out in the end :) | 16:43 |
| SuperEngineer | ok - it's begging time. | 16:44 |
| popey | bug 985702 | 16:44 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 985702 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu 12.04 “Window” sounds not available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/985702 | 16:44 |
| SuperEngineer | can someone come up with a package to report bug #985702 against pretty please? | 16:45 |
| AlanBell | gnome-control-center perhaps? | 16:48 |
| popey | done | 16:48 |
| SuperEngineer | yea gads - that was quick! | 16:49 |
| SuperEngineer | crikey - just just the lp page - cheers & thanks again | 16:54 |
| popey | np | 16:54 |
| AlanBell | SuperEngineer: what are window sounds? | 16:54 |
| popey | hahahahaahaah | 16:55 |
| AlanBell | is that swooshy noises on maximise etc? | 16:55 |
| popey | 15:10:40 < SuperEngineer> popey: in 10.04's "Sound Preference" there is a separate check-box titled "Enable window & button sounds". When ticked, even clicking an app icon on panel to start the app causes a sound response. In 12.04 - none of this available to me - no check box is even there. The check-box in question is at bottom of "sound | 16:55 |
| popey | effects" - i is a separate thing altogether from " Alert volume" | 16:55 |
| AlanBell | ah, so when a window appears it makes a sound | 16:57 |
| SuperEngineer | more so on closing or dialogue respond buttons -they're the "boing", "blip" & "bup" noises if you have them activated | 16:58 |
| pndemc_debain | hmm | 17:06 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Good evening peeps :) | 17:19 |
| davmor2 | We are happy cows we chew the cud and browse | 17:25 |
| * bigcalm_laptop snoozes into his pint | 17:26 | |
| davmor2 | Hip hop, hippidy, hip hop, don't stop ....... | 17:30 |
| popey | hmm, ubuntu hung on io wait for a bit, firefox faded out whilst lots of files were being deleted | 17:33 |
| popey | now its recovered, the colours are all washed out in ff | 17:34 |
| davmor2 | Happy hour to us, happy hour to us, happy hour to u-us, happy hour to us! | 17:34 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Ink carts need replacing in your screen | 17:34 |
| popey | heh | 17:34 |
| * bigcalm_laptop shakes fist at computer things | 17:53 | |
| bigcalm_laptop | 7 mins until the happy hour starts | 17:53 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Will I survive that long? | 17:53 |
| === chalced is now known as chalcedony | ||
| JohnRobert | is there an easy way to make windows 7 and ubuntu machines 'see' each other.. eg can I set a workgroup somewhere on ubuntu? | 18:25 |
| * AlanBell wonders if http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/devscripts/precise/view/head:/scripts/debchange.pl#L434 will be updated soon | 18:26 | |
| AlanBell | JohnRobert: that sounds like samba sharing you need to look at | 18:26 |
| JohnRobert | hmm, nm :p | 18:27 |
| AlanBell | normally I think you can try to share a folder with windows and it will prompt you to install the right stuff | 18:27 |
| JohnRobert | I just wanted WINS name resolution I think | 18:27 |
| JohnRobert | but I have a feeling that'll be asking a lot | 18:27 |
| JohnRobert | a lot more than 'just click xyz' | 18:27 |
| AlanBell | oh right | 18:27 |
| bigcalm_laptop | We've just had our 1st new Happy Hour | 18:27 |
| JohnRobert | more like set up a domain controller etc | 18:27 |
| AlanBell | I don't know if windows does avahi right | 18:28 |
| AlanBell | bigcalm_laptop: yay | 18:28 |
| JohnRobert | at a pub? | 18:28 |
| JohnRobert | in southampton? | 18:28 |
| JohnRobert | real ale? | 18:28 |
| bigcalm_laptop | We've just had our 1st new Happy Hour attendee I should say | 18:28 |
| AlanBell | s/sou/wolver/ | 18:28 |
| JohnRobert | :/ | 18:28 |
| directhex | windows can do avahi. but it's not built in | 18:32 |
| directhex | install Bonjour, from apple.com | 18:32 |
| MartijnVdS | included with itunes | 18:32 |
| directhex | yeah, or don't get itunes | 18:33 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: some people like it to use their ipods with.. or *gasp* buy music | 18:33 |
| directhex | freaks | 18:33 |
| MartijnVdS | it's the only reason I have itunes on my Windows machine | 18:33 |
| ali1234 | lolpods | 18:33 |
| MartijnVdS | Because U1MS "Western European" store _sucks_ | 18:34 |
| MartijnVdS | and 7digital _has_ a Netherlands-specific store | 18:34 |
| bigcalm_laptop | This ale is good :) | 18:36 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm_laptop: What kind of ale is it? | 18:37 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Ruddler's Best | 18:37 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Correct spelling as needed | 18:37 |
| MartijnVdS | I need to convince my brothers to brew a nice ale | 18:37 |
| MartijnVdS | They're good at that :) | 18:38 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm_laptop: They made a beer for a competition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfXzAUJI-DA | 18:39 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Really looking forward to the RAT in July | 18:41 |
| MartijnVdS | train thing? | 18:41 |
| bigcalm_laptop | The Real Ale Train :) | 18:43 |
| MartijnVdS | cool :) | 18:43 |
| === OmNomDeBonBon is now known as MarquessDeBonBon | ||
| czajkowski | evening folks | 20:37 |
| popey | pip pip | 20:37 |
| czajkowski | in from an Ubuntu hour | 20:37 |
| czajkowski | only 4 of us but nice to hear how folks are doing and their reactions to stuff | 20:37 |
| czajkowski | one guy has moved him his mum , mum in law and all his family to unity | 20:37 |
| czajkowski | they love it | 20:37 |
| czajkowski | only has one issue, his son misses some flash thingy for a game, wont work under wine, other that everyone loves it | 20:38 |
| czajkowski | other guy was a unity hater when it first came out now likes it and finds it very fast | 20:38 |
| czajkowski | another guy dreams of deploying over 400 desktops of Ubuntu | 20:38 |
| czajkowski | but is starting small and has removed all servers to Ubuntu | 20:38 |
| czajkowski | and all mail is now using zarafa | 20:39 |
| czajkowski | for all mail | 20:39 |
| pndemc_debain | I still like Gnome 2.3 the best | 20:39 |
| czajkowski | http://www.slideshare.net/OpenSourceLGMA/limerick-city-co-open-source-in-practice | 20:39 |
| czajkowski | they tried alfresco but didnt go down well internally | 20:39 |
| czajkowski | they didnt need training for the mail | 20:39 |
| czajkowski | all machines use LO - that did require training | 20:40 |
| mattt_ | czajkowski: where was this, in ireland? | 20:42 |
| czajkowski | yup | 20:43 |
| * popey tickles aquarius | 20:43 | |
| === mattt_ is now known as mattt | ||
| * popey fiddles with http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UnityDontPanic | 21:09 | |
| ali1234 | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17769049 | 21:12 |
| ali1234 | the XOLO X900 will run android | 21:13 |
| popey | says a lot | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | they might as well have called it the TROLOLO 900 | 21:13 |
| popey | that india is first market | 21:13 |
| popey | haha | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | why does it say a lot? | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | or, i mean, what does it say? | 21:14 |
| ali1234 | they think it's going to suck? | 21:14 |
| popey | testing the water | 21:14 |
| mgdm | I wonder what the point in distributing a comedy broken version of RVM is | 21:14 |
| popey | unlike microsoft who went balls-out with the lumia in america | 21:14 |
| ali1234 | microsoft does not care about anything outside of america | 21:14 |
| popey | true | 21:14 |
| ali1234 | mainly because they are american | 21:14 |
| popey | same could be said for intel | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | they are american i guess | 21:15 |
| popey | but that's not the point | 21:15 |
| gordonjcp | popey: hrmm | 21:15 |
| gordonjcp | popey: it doesn't have the the words in large friendly letters on the cover | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | thing is, american market is completely different to the rest of the world | 21:15 |
| popey | they clearly haven't found anyone brave enough to take an intel phone to an established market | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | lso look at the screenshot | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | that wallpaper is even worse than the ubuntu one | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | i wonder if it will have a vx capable chip | 21:17 |
| ali1234 | i bet it won't | 21:17 |
| zleap | i have some raspberry pi bits on the way, psu, cables etc | 21:21 |
| zleap | all i need now is the ability to order one | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | popey: regarding unity instructions, i learnt more about unity from doing the checkbox tests than from all the tutorials | 21:22 |
| popey | yeah, me too ☺ | 21:22 |
| gordonjcp | popey: re "don't panic", http://t.co/6l2dHZ4G | 21:23 |
| ali1234 | also if you're going to make some videos please edit them nicely, rather than doing a 1 take special | 21:23 |
| popey | \i/ model m | 21:24 |
| popey | yeah, was gonna do a lot of small ones | 21:24 |
| ali1234 | honestly though, if you need to make this comprehesive guide you've already failed | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | "no no, it is better, you're just not using it properly" | 21:25 |
| directhex | moo | 21:26 |
| mgdm | evening directhex | 21:26 |
| directhex | mgdm, finally done working for the day | 21:26 |
| gordonjcp | popey: that's actually pretty much how this whole room looks at the moment | 21:27 |
| mgdm | directhex: ouch | 21:28 |
| ali1234 | how are people going to discover these videos? | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | reading those notes i realise i don't use most of unity at all | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | the dash file search is pretty bad :( | 21:42 |
| ali1234 | online videos thing is barely even functional | 21:47 |
| ali1234 | it only searches one source at a time | 21:48 |
| aquarius | ali1234, what makes you think that the online video lens only searches one source at a time? | 21:56 |
| ali1234 | because it only returns results from one source | 21:56 |
| ali1234 | if you click on all the other sources in the filtering, it will return results from only one of them | 21:56 |
| ali1234 | disable that source and it will return results from one of the others | 21:57 |
| aquarius | I've just searched for "rory sutherland" and got results from ted talks and youtube education, as an example | 21:57 |
| aquarius | some of the sources are country-specific, which might have something to do with it. | 21:57 |
| ali1234 | i just got 24 results from bing video | 21:58 |
| directhex | bing! | 21:59 |
| directhex | bing is such a crap search engine, it's the single worst bit about WP7 | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | ok i see the problem | 21:59 |
| aquarius | I use bing search rather than google search on my phone, just to see what it's like | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | if the first thing it searches returns more than 24 results, you don't see any more results | 22:00 |
| ali1234 | also if you enable all sources maually rather than clicking "all" it doesn't work at all | 22:00 |
| aquarius | heh. We've been tweaking the algorithm for how it merges results from different searches | 22:00 |
| aquarius | work is going on on that front as we speak :) | 22:00 |
| popey | works here | 22:01 |
| aquarius | enabling all sources ought to work, though. If that doesn't work, that's a bug. | 22:01 |
| popey | with everything ticked | 22:01 |
| popey | doesn't actually return enough results to fill the screen though ☹ | 22:01 |
| aquarius | are there results you'd expect that it's not returning? | 22:02 |
| ali1234 | how do i report bugs against this? | 22:02 |
| ali1234 | or rather where? | 22:02 |
| popey | ubuntu-bug ubuntu-lens-video I'd imagine | 22:02 |
| popey | hmm, maybe not | 22:03 |
| popey | s/ubuntu/unity | 22:03 |
| ali1234 | i will update first and try again | 22:03 |
| popey | right, if i start a new search with all boxes ticked I get no results | 22:04 |
| popey | if you start with all ticked, then untick all and tick each one the results must be cached | 22:04 |
| aquarius | the dash file search being bad is, in my opinion, because everyone said "dammit I hate tracker running all the time eating all my ram" and turned it off. But just my opinion :) | 22:04 |
| popey | seems to max out at 25 hits | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | if i untick any single one i get results instantly | 22:04 |
| popey | i have room on my screen for 45 results | 22:05 |
| popey | only ever fills half the screen | 22:05 |
| aquarius | I forget how many matches it maxes out at, but there is a limit, I think. Sounds like worthy of bug-filing | 22:05 |
| aquarius | and ali1234's issue, too | 22:05 |
| ali1234 | well i do hate tracker running all the time eating al my ram | 22:05 |
| aquarius | then you don't get good searching, I fear. :) | 22:05 |
| ali1234 | that's why i don't use the file search ever | 22:05 |
| ali1234 | i just open nautilus and go to the file | 22:05 |
| popey | its 25 | 22:06 |
| popey | 6x4 + 1 or 5x5 | 22:06 |
| popey | it should max out at $whatever_fits_on_screen_plus_some | 22:06 |
| aquarius | that makes it much, much harder to cache the results | 22:07 |
| aquarius | because you want 45 and I want 25 | 22:07 |
| aquarius | which makes searches slower | 22:07 |
| aquarius | I'm not saying that it's a bad idea, you'll note | 22:08 |
| aquarius | I'm just making the case for the opposite :) | 22:08 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't make very good use of screen space either | 22:08 |
| popey | bug 985923 | 22:08 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 985923 in unity-lens-video (Ubuntu) "Video lens returns too few hits" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/985923 | 22:09 |
| ali1234 | by default i get one column of results and then a big space | 22:09 |
| aquarius | that sounds like a bug as well | 22:10 |
| popey | bed | 22:11 |
| popey | nn | 22:11 |
| aquarius | ttfn popey | 22:11 |
| aquarius | ali1234, do you mean you get one row? | 22:11 |
| ali1234 | no, i mean i get one column | 22:11 |
| aquarius | that sounds like a bug, then :) | 22:11 |
| aquarius | I only get one row, but I've just hit the "see 21 more results" expander :) | 22:12 |
| ali1234 | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/102631792/Screenshot%20from%202012-04-19%2023%3A13%3A19.png | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | also why do i have to open the filter and then open sources? | 22:17 |
| aquarius | heh. that looks like a bug in the lens layout thingy | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | why not just have the sources always visible when the filter bit is open? | 22:18 |
| aquarius | don't know | 22:18 |
| aquarius | it'd be worth filing that as a bug too, I think | 22:18 |
| aquarius | right, off to bed for me. later, all | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | oh, it kind of makes sense in the context of the other filter sections which have multiple ways of filtering | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | fair enough for that then | 22:21 |
| ali1234 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-video/+bug/985930 | 22:23 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 985930 in unity-lens-video (Ubuntu) "no results when manually selecting all sources" [Undecided,New] | 22:23 |
| * JamesTait_ waves at JamesTait. | 22:35 | |
| * JamesTait waves back at JamesTait_ | 22:35 | |
| JamesTait | Hm, well that seems to kind of work. | 22:35 |
| JamesTait | Has anyone else tried the chat integration in Thunderbird Dailies? | 22:36 |
| AlanBell | popey: can you set 873082 to fixed? | 23:02 |
| AlanBell | never mind, you can't because it is a duplicate | 23:02 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| christel | ;1 | 23:36 |
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