[00:28] <jrgifford> andygray: i use fallback sometimes
[11:44] <andygraybeal> morning
[11:59] <andygraybeal> anyone having release parties this month or next?
[12:56] <jrgifford> andygraybeal: i think i'm organizing one in like, two weeks. still need to get my act together on that though.
[12:56] <jrgifford> (for the cleveland area)
[12:57] <andygraybeal> ah cool
[12:57] <andygraybeal> go cleve
[12:57] <andygraybeal> i need one in the athens area.
[12:57] <andygraybeal> the linux guys around here scoff at ubuntu
[12:57] <jrgifford> heh, ubuntu is african for "can't configure debian"
[12:57] <andygraybeal> they are all like.. why aren't you using ... <insert more advanced linux>
[13:00] <andygraybeal> gilbert, do you guys have ubuntu hour at just one venue, or do you have different venues to switch it up?
[13:14] <jrgifford> http://askubuntu.com/questions/123424/what-is-the-deal-about-ubuntu
[13:38] <andygraybeal> this humor eludes me :)
[13:39] <andygraybeal> maybe that's the point :)
[13:39] <jrgifford> lol
[13:44] <andygraybeal> i've never hear dof htis grevious goat :)
[14:07] <andygraybeal> i wonder if there is a 12.04 banner i could purchase
[14:07] <andygraybeal> and hang for an event
[14:08] <andygraybeal> i could just buy a white sheet and paint my own
[14:41] <thafreak> i don't get people's gripes...ubuntu is more or less debian, with a different set of packages...but it still works and is configured the same
[14:42] <thafreak> tell them you use ubuntu because you don't have time to spend all day configuring one machine
[14:42] <thafreak> i used to be big into gentoo
[14:42] <thafreak> then i got the bright idea to switch a bunch of linux servers I managed to gentoo...
[14:42] <thafreak> before I knew it, I was spending all my time compiling packages everwhere
[14:43] <thafreak> And now, if I can't install it as a KVM or XEN guest, I won't even try it out
[14:44] <thafreak> tried to get Arch running as a kvm guest, and it took me forever it seemed
[14:44] <thafreak> all I wanted was to have it use LVM...
[14:44] <thafreak> their auto install script thing didn't understand my virtio disk
[14:44] <thafreak> i think i had to emulate an ide disk
[14:59] <andygraybeal> does anyoen use MS Zune with Ubuntu?
[14:59] <paultag> I don't think that's ever worked :)
[15:00] <andygraybeal> http://stinebaugh.info/getting-your-zune-to-work-in-linux-kinda/
[15:00] <andygraybeal> even like this?
[15:00] <paultag> the set of Ubuntu / Linux / Debian contributors intersected with the set of Zune owners is virtually nill
[15:00] <andygraybeal> ok
[15:00] <paultag> I guess :)
[15:07] <andygraybeal> okay :)
[15:10] <andygraybeal> omg, i have a POS that runs on XP and is like from 2003.
[15:10] <andygraybeal> er well.. when i got into this job it ran on win98.
[15:11] <andygraybeal> anyway.. i was having probelms with it this week.. and i'm cheerfully making fun of it.. and someone seriously responds how we need the data from it and that it's very important.  i can't help that i try and things don't work.
[15:12] <andygraybeal> i'm sorry we rely on this outdated software.
[15:12] <andygraybeal> i try to make it work as great as i can, i can't help that it's what we use.
[15:21] <andygraybeal> grrrr
[15:21] <andygraybeal> now i feel bad
[15:28] <andygraybeal> is it cool to install 12.04 workstation now?  or should i wait 7 days?   .. this would be on my friends computer.
[15:32] <paultag> I have it on my work machine
[15:32] <paultag> Unity, as usual, is a mistake
[15:35] <andygraybeal> okay, you think it's okay to load up on a friends computer?   can they update to the official release when it comes out?
[15:35] <andygraybeal> or should i just wait 7 days :_
[15:35] <andygraybeal> :)
[15:39] <paultag> either way
[15:39] <paultag> :)
[15:40]  * Unit193 finds it easier to not use Unity.
[15:43] <andygraybeal> paultag, okay cool, i'll give it ago.
[15:44] <paultag> w0rd
[15:49] <Unit193> jrgifford: You up and alive?
[15:59] <andygraybeal> Unit193, he was on at 9.30am so far today
[16:20] <thafreak> i'm definately giving unity another try
[16:20] <thafreak> i still think gnome 3 is sexier though
[16:20] <andygraybeal> yea, i don't mind unity, personally.  for the workplace, i think i'm gonna stick with failback.
[16:21] <thafreak> only bad thing...
[16:21] <thafreak> when i go to teach the night class...and all the machines are windows 7
[16:22] <thafreak> i keep moving the mouse to the upper left corner to expose all my windows
[16:22] <thafreak> and i'll sit there and keep doing it, like why is it not working
[16:22] <thafreak> stupid windows...why can't they be more like gnome3
[16:22] <canthus13> Heh.
[16:22]  * canthus13 hugs his gnome 3.
[16:22] <paultag> gross
[16:22] <thafreak> i do it when i shouldn't though
[16:23] <thafreak> my boss will come in
[16:23] <thafreak> and i'll minimize hulu dekstop
[16:23] <thafreak> then i'll need to switch windows in front of her for something and without thinking, I expose all windows
[16:23] <thafreak> and there's hulu desktop with a paused video
[16:23] <thafreak> doh
[16:23] <paultag> fail
[16:23] <thafreak> yep
[16:23] <paultag> my boss is cool with hulu
[16:24] <thafreak> they need an anti-boss mode
[16:24] <paultag> … mang
[16:24] <thafreak> well...mine hasn't said anything ever
[16:24] <paultag> yeah, I know, I try to keep it on the DL too
[16:24] <paultag> and not often
[16:24] <thafreak> i just want her to think the stuff i do takes a really long time, and not that i'm actually watching a video and doing the tasks in a couple of minutes at the end
[16:25] <paultag> haha
[16:25] <paultag> god, why can't github be better
[16:25] <thafreak> it's like that old commercial for rice crispies
[16:26] <thafreak> where the mom is in the kitchen making all kinds of noise, banging pots, etc, but really reading a book
[16:26] <thafreak> and then makes the crispie treats in like a minute at the end, and throws flower on her face and comes out looking all exhausted
[16:26] <thafreak> and the family cheers and really apreciates all the hard work
[16:26] <paultag> haha
[16:26] <thafreak> i learned alot from commercials as a kid
[16:27] <paultag> most of my jobs were like that
[16:27] <paultag> not my current one, thankfully
[16:27] <thafreak> i want a new job...just not sure what i want to do
[16:27] <thafreak> i've been saying i'm done being a sysadmin for like 5 years now
[16:29] <thafreak> i think it's time i start working towards something like director of IT...
[16:31] <andygraybeal> i quit IT.. i was like.. EFF this.  i had a job working on microsoft.. omg. i was about to kill myself.
[16:31] <canthus13> thafreak: so you subscribe to the scotty theory of engineering?
[16:32] <thafreak> canthus13: elaborate
[16:32] <andygraybeal> then i got a job at a restaurant washign dishes and making food.. and it turns out that their POS was in grave danger.. and someone strung their network with those electrical tie nuts.. and a poor little hub.
[16:32] <andygraybeal> so i was like.. um.. your network cables are hangin by a thread.. no wonder everythign is effed.
[16:33] <canthus13> thafreak: basically, always give the captain a much longer estimate than the job will really take. It makes you look like a miracle worker.
[16:33]  * canthus13 doesn't remember the exact words right off hand.
[16:33] <thafreak> oh that one
[16:33] <thafreak> yes....
[16:33] <andygraybeal> someone told them they should buy a whole new system because the system was setup as 192.2.168.0 and no one noticed why when they put another client on the network with 192.168.2.0... it wouldn't work. i was like.. oMG OMG OMG.. okay fine i'll fix your dumb computers.
[16:33] <thafreak> that's the code i live by
[16:34] <thafreak> that and I have no idea how to estimate how long something takes anyway
[16:34] <canthus13> thafreak: fist quote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Star_Trek_III:_The_Search_for_Spock
[16:34] <canthus13> andygraybeal: I hear the stupidest shit sometimes... Especially when I'm talking to customers and they tell me geek squad blamed us because <x>
[16:35] <andygraybeal> yea
[16:36] <andygraybeal> then they started getting all these dumb viruses cause some idiot was always browsing pr0n
[16:36] <andygraybeal> so i was like.. EFF it.. we are installing linux and i don't give a Shi& what anyway says.
[16:36]  * canthus13 had a customer call because she installed McAfee and her internet stopped working. She uninstalled McAfee and it worked again. McAfee said it must be her ISP's fault. :P
[16:36] <andygraybeal> nice
[16:37] <canthus13> Fortunately, she saw the absurdity of it too and was just calling to humor McAfee/confirm with me that McAfee's tech really was the idiot she thought he was.
[16:38] <canthus13> Even better when one of these other techs call me on a three way call to try to convince me that some stupid issue of theirs is really ours.  Once had an HP support tech call and try to convince me that the reason their customer's printer wouldn't power up was because our cable modem was blocking it.
[16:39] <andygraybeal> literaly, power on?  or... ?
[16:39] <canthus13> literally.
[16:39] <andygraybeal> that is pretty funny.
[16:39] <canthus13> even if it was just a case of not connecting to wireless, that's not a cable modem issue.
[16:39] <andygraybeal> i almost don' tbelive you :)
[16:40] <canthus13> andygraybeal: I wouldn't believe me if I hadn't spent 5 years doing ISP tech support.
[16:40] <canthus13> most companies seem to have a policy of 'foist the problem onto someone else no matter what'
[16:40] <andygraybeal> yea, i have done that for a small isp in lancaster ohio, then i moved out to california and done it for the university in santa cruz
[16:41]  * canthus13 is trying to find something else right now. this job is killing his soul.
[16:41] <andygraybeal> luckily after 'helldesk' they moved me to 'workstation support'
[16:42] <canthus13> Heh.
[16:43]  * canthus13 *almost* jumped on a support analyst position... til he noticed that it was a contract position. :/
[16:43] <andygraybeal> sometimes contracts get extended or are just there to see if you are the correct 'fit' for the company.
[16:43] <canthus13> 50% pay increase, but only lasts 3 months. :/
[16:43] <andygraybeal> have you tried a 'temp agency' i did that for a bit before i got hired ful ltime with benies.
[16:44] <canthus13> I'm full time with benefits right now, and have 2 kids and another on the way.. I can't really jump off like that. If that position would actually go full time, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat. It's doubtful, though. I've come to realize that any recruiter with a heavy indian accent is a bottom feeder dealing in the crappiest positions that nobody can fill.
[16:49] <andygraybeal> holy crap 3 kids
[16:49] <andygraybeal> good for you man.
[16:52] <andygraybeal> yea, i was free-wheeling living out of my car.  eating out of dumpsters and taking showers for interviews at the homelss shelter.
[16:53] <andygraybeal> i dropped out of life for a while
[16:53] <andygraybeal> well normal life.
[17:00] <jrgifford> Unit193: i'm alive.
[17:00] <jrgifford> or something.
[17:01] <canthus13> andygraybeal: I'd happily live out of a car if I didn't have a family to feed.
[17:02] <andygraybeal> i was lukcy
[17:03]  * canthus13 nods.
[17:09] <andygraybeal> i'm never going to accept a microsoft support job ever again though
[17:09] <andygraybeal> i'm working on trying to become a farmer :)
[17:09] <andygraybeal> part time farmer atleast.
[17:09] <andygraybeal> it might kill me though
[17:10] <andygraybeal> i do need to lose weight though
[17:10] <canthus13> Heh.
[17:11] <andygraybeal> yea, soon we're gonna run out of oil and eletricity
[17:11] <andygraybeal> it's my backup plan
[17:11] <canthus13> Nah. Soon we'll be forced to use nuclear power.
[17:13] <jrgifford> canthus13 is right, nukes are the way to go.
[17:21] <andygraybeal> until it poisons everything.
[17:27] <andygraybeal> aight, i got 12.04 final beta installing now.
[17:29] <canthus13> andygraybeal: god help your soul.
[17:29] <andygraybeal> hahaha :) yes.
[17:29] <andygraybeal> good thing i'm athiest.
[17:29] <andygraybeal> or whateve.r. i don't even want to say 'athiest'
[17:29] <andygraybeal> i believe in smoking weed.
[17:30] <canthus13> Atheism is a religion, much like other religions: out to stamp out all other religions and convert people to itself.
[17:30] <andygraybeal> yea, i just want to legalize it.
[17:30] <andygraybeal> i'm like.. doods. it's a plant whats' the big deal.
[17:30] <andygraybeal> so take that back about atheism.
[17:30] <andygraybeal> i prey to the ganja god.
[17:30] <andygraybeal> pray? prey? omg awesome.
[18:07] <andygraybeal> is that overheating thing fixed for thinkpads in 12.04?
[18:07]  * canthus13 has no idea.
[18:07] <canthus13> Guess you'll find out?
[18:07] <andygraybeal> :)
[18:08] <andygraybeal> ah yes, power regression
[18:28] <jrgifford> andygraybeal: the power regression? its all ok for me now
[18:28] <andygraybeal> jrgifford, cool, are you running 12.04 ?
[18:28] <jrgifford> yeah, 12.04
[18:28] <andygraybeal> rock on!
[18:28] <jrgifford> although i didn't really have issues with it on 11.10
[18:28] <andygraybeal> okay, we'll see how i fair.
[18:29] <jrgifford> (ThinkPad T61 and a HP laptop)
[18:32] <andygraybeal> cool
[19:12] <andygraybeal> anyone work with kerberos?
[19:16] <jrgifford> paultag: that looks like anything but unity.
[19:16] <jrgifford> more like a screwed up windows 7
[19:19] <gilbert> andygraybeal: we usually use the same venue for consistency
[19:19] <andygraybeal> gilbert, cool
[19:19] <gilbert> andygraybeal: i tried varying location to get people in from other parts of columbus, but lost the regulars when we went to the other locations
[19:20] <gilbert> andygraybeal: so i would say a single location is best
[19:20] <andygraybeal> nice, good to know you experimented.
[19:20] <andygraybeal> i wonder if it will concern people because i also co-own the venue :)
[19:20] <jrgifford> andygraybeal: it won't.
[19:20] <andygraybeal> self-promo .. but we as a businuess use ubuntu too!
[19:20] <gilbert> andygraybeal: i certainly don't see that as an issue
[19:20] <gilbert> andygraybeal: is it a restaurant?
[19:21] <andygraybeal> and bar
[19:21] <andygraybeal> and manufacturing
[19:21] <jrgifford> food, yay. yeah, no problem.
[19:21] <andygraybeal> :)
[19:21] <andygraybeal> gilbert, i was impying yes. sorry for vagueness.
[19:21] <paultag> jrgifford: it looks like unity, totally :)
[19:21] <paultag> the nav-bar thing
[19:22] <jrgifford> paultag: everything is on the wrong side! ;D
[19:22] <paultag> you can change that!
[19:22] <paultag> (wait, can you?)
[19:22] <jrgifford> (not for unity, and not right now)
[19:22] <paultag> hahahahahahaha
[19:22] <paultag> so much fail
[19:22] <jrgifford> sane defaults man, sane defaults.
[19:23] <paultag> jrgifford: correction made
[20:01]  * jrgifford shuts down his computer
[20:02] <jrgifford> i'll chill with everyone on irc when i'm back... cya guys
[20:04] <paultag> challah
[20:07] <andygraybeal> omg, whiskey is saying my name
[20:08] <paultag> anyone here want to feel like a hotshot coder?
[20:08] <paultag> I need a real ricer
[20:08] <paultag> seriously, this is a big task
[20:08] <andygraybeal> maybe i'm ignorant, but that seems a little bit racists.
[20:09] <paultag> andygraybeal: nah, like, someone who's used to hotroding stuff that doens't lend it's self to such things
[20:09] <paultag> you've never heard that before?
[20:09] <paultag> anyway, I need someone to really slam a clutch hack out
[20:09] <andygraybeal> ricer, asian car modifications.. nevermind :)
[20:10] <paultag> racial epithets aside
[20:11] <paultag> anyone feel like hacking on some slick code?
[20:25] <andygraybeal> omg, i'm fed up with getting crap to work in joomla.
[20:26] <andygraybeal> i bought a new chair, it's a workbench style chair, height-wise.  and the old school mechanical.  so score.
[20:26] <andygraybeal> used for 30 bucks at the antique store, it was probably too much money but i don't care.
[20:27] <andygraybeal> it makes me feel better.