[00:38] <Unit193> Was in offtopic.
[08:18] <carnau> ochosi, ping
[08:53] <ochosi> carnau: pong
[08:54] <carnau> ochosi, http://i.imgur.com/raC3e.png
[08:54] <ochosi> yay
[08:54] <ochosi> just as planned
[08:54] <carnau> looks great!
[08:55] <ochosi> could you do me a favor and mute?
[08:55] <carnau> sure
[08:56] <ochosi> how does that look?
[08:56] <carnau> good
[08:57] <carnau> icon blinks in blue when sound can't be reproduced
[09:01] <ochosi> hm, no i mean the volume bar
[09:01] <ochosi> it should be insensitive
[09:01] <ochosi> therefore a different coloring
[09:03] <carnau> http://i.imgur.com/8EImC.png
[09:03] <ochosi> a-ha
[09:04] <ochosi> ok, well in this case that's fine :)
[09:04] <carnau> good :)
[09:04] <ochosi> i thought the color of the bar just changes when muted
[09:05] <ochosi> if you come acress any other oddities with unity feel free to let me know
[09:05] <ochosi> but i think now we got most of it covered
[09:05] <carnau> ok
[09:06] <ochosi> oh, one last thing, would you mind to take a few more screenshots of your unity desktop with greybird? i'm planning to write a blogpost so i could use some screeners
[09:08] <carnau> yes, tell me what u want
[09:09] <carnau> anything in particular? nautilus, ff, rhythmbox?
[09:11] <ochosi> hmm, first a pic of the desktop with only the dash open maybe?
[09:11] <ochosi> (that's kinda the trademark screenshot)
[09:11] <ochosi> then maybe rhythmbox with the soundmenu open at the same time (that's the one you sent me the latest screenshots of)
[09:12] <knome> just for the record, i prefer liberation mono as the terminal font
[09:12] <ochosi> knome: you mean you prefer it to droid sans mono?
[09:13] <knome> yes
[09:13] <ochosi> because it's more round and terminaly?
[09:13] <ochosi> and the zeros have dots inside :)
[09:14] <carnau> Ok, i take it in mind. Now I have to work a little more. Ping you later :-)
[09:14] <knome> it's just more terminaly, and the bold text works better even in small sizes
[09:14] <knome> astraljava, i've been thinking the same about -testers too, and hold any changes until the end of the release
[09:14] <ochosi> carnau: sure, thanks a lot again! (also, if you want to be tributed with your full name for the screenshots, please let me know your full name)
[09:15] <carnau> don't worry, I don't care
[09:16] <ochosi> ok, you can also remain anonymous
[09:16] <ochosi> in that case i'd blue your username in the panel
[09:16] <ochosi> (although "carlos" doesn't really give away too much ;))
[09:16] <ochosi> knome: yeah, the font looks nice. i haven't played much with terminal fonts so far
[09:21] <knome> astraljava, i wouldn't mind handing you a team leading position, but what would that be? QA lead maybe, which partly would include testing too
[09:23] <knome> Unit193, astraljava: being the testing lead, or QA lead doesn't mean you are the "main tester" though, i don't expect anybody to do most of the tests
[09:23] <knome> it should be a community task
[09:32] <knome> http://www.muktware.com/articles/3539/quick-preview-xubuntu-1204-precise-pangolin-video
[09:32] <knome> pleia2, for the press ^
[10:22] <ochosi> knome: i think i agree on the term-font
[10:22] <ochosi> knome: maybe put it on the roadmap (review term-font)
[10:32] <knome> ochosi, done
[10:32] <knome> review terminal theming meaning we could try to get more feedback about the color scheme
[10:35] <ochosi> yeah sounds good
[10:36] <ochosi> i guess there are certain apps that use a lot of colors potentially (vim,mutt) that should be reviewed more
[10:36] <knome> mm-hmm
[10:37] <knome> would you like to start writing a specification for that?
[10:37] <ochosi> sorry, no time today
[10:37] <ochosi> and i'm not a mutt user ;)
[10:37] <knome> ok, i will gather those ideas then ;)
[10:37] <ochosi> hmm
[10:38] <ochosi> i just saw the maximize icon (+) in our xfwm4 theme looks odd when without the minimize or close icon
[10:38] <knome> hmm
[10:38] <ochosi> it's very rare that it's the only window-icon, but if it happens, it looks weird
[10:38] <knome> heh
[10:38] <ochosi> maybe we should go for the two opposing arrows
[10:38] <ochosi> even though people might rant because apple (and youtube, and...) use that as well
[10:39] <ochosi> (oh wait, youtube changed the fullscreen icon again)
[10:40] <knome> hahah
[10:42] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Q/TerminalThemeReview
[11:02] <knome> pleia2, we need to get together to work with the slides for UDS plenary
[11:03] <knome> pleia2, and oh my, there's an old xubuntu logo on your site :P
[11:11] <ochosi> oh btw, another idea for the roadmap before i go (for today): assemble a list of apps we want to show in the settings-manager
[11:11] <ochosi> e.g. nvidia-settings, bluetooth-settings, language-support, scim-support etc.
[11:12] <ochosi> (12.10 will have xfce4.10's new settings manager, so this'd be feasible)
[11:13] <knome> right
[11:14] <knome> bbl
[11:43] <mr_pouit> +1, I was thinking about that yesterday
[11:44] <mr_pouit> it uses a menu file, so we can also customize it like we do for the main menu
[11:45] <knome> mr_pouit, +1 because you thought about it too?
[11:45]  * knome hides
[11:51] <mr_pouit> exactly :p
[11:53] <knome> no, i think that's sensible too
[11:56] <knome> mr_pouit, want to be the assignee?
[11:56]  * knome stays in the hideout
[11:58] <mr_pouit> no :P
[11:58] <knome> so, who is? :P
[11:58] <knome> i can ask edii...
[11:58] <knome> that's relatively trivial though, isn't it?
[11:58] <mr_pouit> I'll probably write the menu file anyway, but someone else has to think about what we want in the settings' dialog ;-)
[11:58] <knome> so, probably a low-hanging fruit
[11:59] <knome> ;]
[12:01]  * knome is off for lunch-dinner
[13:48] <sladen> http://design.canonical.com/2012/04/pebble-watch-and-ubuntu/ <-- XFCE people
[13:57] <ochosi> sladen: yup, to be more exact he seems to be using xubuntu (at least he's using my/our default theme) :)
[14:01] <sladen> ochosi: thanks, I was going to ask that (but they're on US time).  Happy enough if I tweak it just to say "Xubuntu" ?
[14:01] <ochosi> sladen: sure sure :)
[14:02] <ochosi> sladen: and thanks a lot for stopping by for this! i just saw that by accident on the planet
[14:04] <sladen> ochosi: I held back on it overnight until they'd reached the $5m mark (and also because I put out something else earlier in the day too)
[14:06] <ochosi> sladen: mm cool, have to say $5m is pretty impressive. and on a sidenote, that seems to be a really cool watch that i'd consider getting (if affordable)
[15:09] <astraljava> knome: Yeah, I'm with you on that one. But let's talk about that when the cycle is over.
[15:10] <astraljava> I gotta get to the game (well, just the sports bar across the street) :D
[15:55] <pleia2> knome: yeah, there is only like 2-3 slides so it should be easy
[15:55] <pleia2> (and yeah, updating the logo on my site is on my todo list ;))
[16:46] <olbi> hello
[16:46] <olbi> final version of Xubuntu will be updated with newest files from xfce.org?
[16:46] <baizon> hi
[16:46] <baizon> no
[16:46] <olbi> include translations?
[16:46] <baizon> will be 4.8
[16:47] <olbi> I mean 4.8 files in translations
[16:47] <baizon> freeze already done
[16:47] <baizon> a ok
[16:47] <olbi> because I have found some bugs letters :P
[16:47] <olbi> in polish language :]
[16:47] <olbi> and fix it now
[16:48] <olbi> Xfce 4.10 is even better in translating that 4.8 :P
[16:49] <Unit193> And not just that either, but 4.10 won't make it in at all that I  know of.
[16:49] <Unit193> Don't think they'd want to back port the entire DE.
[16:49] <olbi> :P
[16:50] <olbi> I was looking even https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+lang/pl/
[16:50] <olbi> but there wasn't theses files, like xfce-session :P which has bugs
[16:51] <olbi> which files have files from ubiquity installer for xubuntu?
[16:54] <olbi> ok, got it :D
[17:25] <olbi> ok, today I think I should update xfce 4.8 - thunnar translations, how long it take to upadate it in xubuntu 11.10 and xubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[17:26] <baizon> what update?
[17:26] <baizon> from 11.10 to 12.04 or just the xfce from 4.8 to 4.10?
[17:29] <olbi> update translations files of xfce in xubuntu 11.10 and 12.04 lts :) after I upload newly translated po file
[17:29] <baizon> :D
[17:34] <olbi> :D
[17:34] <olbi> it means very fast :]
[18:52] <carnau> ochosi, ping
[20:14] <pleia2> trying to duplicate that error seen on list
[20:14] <pleia2> (I was "eeek" at that one reply, so figured I'd follow up)
[20:14] <pleia2> getting my precise system all updated first though ;)
[20:17] <knome> :)
[21:08] <knome> pleia2, how much time was that the plenary again, and how much do you think you will be able to go through in that time?
[21:08] <pleia2> 2.5 minutes
[21:08] <pleia2> so not much :)
[21:09] <knome> heh, yeah...
[21:09] <pleia2> really just "some interesting plans for Q"
[21:09] <pleia2> I figure I'll just use your blog post
[21:09] <knome> http://beta.primarypad.com/p/xub-plenary
[21:09] <knome> i'll try to build up something there
[21:11] <pleia2> okie
[21:18] <knome> pleia2, how does that look now?
[21:19]  * pleia2 thumbs up
[21:20] <knome> great
[21:20] <knome> i'll put that in a pdf, or do you rather want some other format? ;)
[21:20] <pleia2> we can add some tech notes too, like moving to 4.10 (I assume that'll be in the plans?)
[21:21] <pleia2> any format is fine, I'll create some pretty xfce-brand slides in odp
[21:21] <knome> yeah
[21:21] <knome> xfce???
[21:21] <knome> WHAT
[21:21] <pleia2> err, xubuntu
[21:21] <knome> haha
[21:21] <knome> do you have a template?
[21:21] <pleia2> the mouse head!
[21:21] <pleia2> not yet
[21:21] <knome> well... i do
[21:21] <knome> ;)
[21:21] <pleia2> ooh
[21:22] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/q_planning/xubuntu-q.pdf
[21:22] <knome> well, that, with our logo
[21:22] <pleia2> oh yes, that's lovely
[21:23] <knome> great, i'll push the content to that template them
[21:23] <knome> *then
[21:26] <pleia2> I love how jorge's email said "talk about what you've decided at UDS ... need your branded slides by say the week before UDS"
[21:27] <pleia2> lucky for us we aren't deciding anything at UDS!
[21:30] <knome> haha, lol ;)
[21:33] <Unit193> I need to check and see if I care about any sessions...
[21:38] <knome> huh, one can't copy master slides? :/
[21:55] <knome> now i remember why i don't like impress
[21:57] <pleia2> guess we'll have to write them in latex
[21:59] <knome> >__<
[21:59] <knome> naturally, slideshow measures are in... INCHES??!
[21:59] <knome> yeah, i got this 24" screen, can you make the slideshow 24"? 
[22:00] <knome> fsstt..
[22:01] <knome> ah, now i get it
[22:01] <knome> images original size is not original size
[22:02] <knome> that's so logical
[22:02] <pleia2> yeah, why would you think that? :P
[22:02] <knome> the original size is just any size openoffice originally decided to paste the picture in
[22:02] <knome> how was i so dumb
[22:03] <knome> to make it easier for the user too, any white elements in svg's are made transparent too
[22:03] <knome> because who ever wants white
[22:04] <pleia2> most applications aren't very good at handling svg
[22:04] <knome> yeah, why handle svg at all then?
[22:04] <knome> i mean, that's just stupid
[22:05] <knome> hmm
[22:05] <knome> the master slides allow you to apply a style
[22:05] <knome> but GOTCHA!
[22:05] <knome> it's only applied to text areas with bullets
[22:06] <knome> those who do not have bullets fallback to black arial 22
[22:06] <knome> ta-dah!
[22:06] <knome> because it is the only thing you ever wanted
[22:06] <knome> oh right
[22:07] <knome> you possibly should have known the best way is to set numbering to "none" on bullets
[22:09] <knome> ah, i should have known
[22:09] <knome> that's the "subtitle" element
[22:09] <knome> which is only visible on the "styles and formatting" dock
[22:11] <knome> wth
[22:11] <knome> now one of my existing slides is borked ??
[22:21] <knome> i have no idea why, but centered on two master slides look similar, but on actual slides, the slide with other master slide does "different" centering
[22:21] <knome> which is not centered
[22:31] <knome> hah, the font kerning is different in the different master slides now...
[22:39] <knome> ARGH.
[22:51] <knome> \o/
[22:51]  * knome beats openoffice with some majestic big band playing on the background
[22:52] <knome> pleia2, what was the day again?
[22:55] <knome> pleia2, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/q_planning/xubuntu-q-plenary.pdf
[23:36] <pleia2> knome: it'll be thursday, so the 10th
[23:36] <pleia2> of may
[23:36] <pleia2> spiffy :)
[23:36] <knome> :)
[23:36] <Unit193> Haha, I *just* checked your idle/away time/status. :P
[23:36] <knome> hah
[23:38] <knome> pleia2, file updated for you
[23:39] <pleia2> great :)
[23:39] <knome> if you need anything else, just ping me
[23:39] <knome> i can even provide you the OO files if you need
[23:40] <pleia2> OO would be great in case jorge surprises me with something else he wants in it
[23:40] <knome> haha
[23:40] <knome> in the surprise-case... tell him to knock the door to my cave
[23:40] <pleia2> ok :)
[23:40] <knome> and i will grumble a bit ;)
[23:40] <pleia2> lol
[23:40] <knome> no, i'll copy you the oo-file
[23:41] <knome> it's in the same folder
[23:41] <pleia2> 2012-04-19 16:41:19 (171 KB/s) - `xubuntu-q-plenary.odp' saved [221573/221573]
[23:41] <pleia2> \o/
[23:41] <pleia2> thanks
[23:41] <knome> good, it can stay there though
[23:42] <knome> at least before i remove it ;)
[23:42] <knome> but that's probably not very soon
[23:42] <pleia2> :)
[23:42]  * pleia2 goes to replace ram in laptop
[23:42] <knome> good luck