[00:58] <cerr> Hi everyone!
[00:58] <cerr> Quick question, what version of libusb is built into the kernel of the current 11.10 version of Kubuntu? Anyone?
[00:59] <cerr> (running kernel 3.0.0-12)
[01:01] <Darkwing> in 11.10?
[01:01] <cerr> Darkwing: yes
[01:03] <Darkwing> cerr: I'm running a higher kernal but, on google it looks like both libusb 0.1-4 [2:0.1.12-18] an libusb 1.0-0 are in ubuntus 3.0.0-12. Lemme check another couple sources
[01:09] <Darkwing> cerr: I know I answered in PM but, here it is here for ref. http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libusb&searchon=names&suite=oneiric&section=all
[01:47] <Servertx> hi all
[06:38] <bigbrovar> Hi guys, anyone here running kde 4.8 backport on Kubuntu 11.10 has been able to get the new kde password manager kde secret service (or something like that)  to work ? I can even seem to find it in the repository :/
[06:41] <coder2> Hello. Please help me with resolv.conf - it becomes empty after boot. I've specified dns-nameservers in the /etc/network/interfaces. After ifdown eth0/ifup eth0 resolv.conf become normal, but why it is empty right after boot? My OS version is 11.10. Network manager is not installed.
[07:02] <irancplusplus> hhsh
[07:03] <irancplusplus> test
[07:04] <irancplusplus> winde doen't work in Kubuntu
[07:57] <changhe> Hi
[10:18] <amichair> will kernel 3.3 or later be available in precise?
[10:21] <Angelforget> no is kernel 3.2.0
[10:34] <amichair> will it be upgraded at some point? or will remain 3.2 for the next 6 months?
[10:35] <Tm_T> amichair: will remain, that's the idea of stable release, they stay stable
[10:53] <szal> amichair: not only for the next 6 months, but for the next 5 years ;)
[10:56] <eagles0513875> hey guys :)
[11:10] <eagles0513875> hey guys i am trying to connect to my desktop pc's windows drive what is the best way to connect to it. the pc is on my lan and has a static ip
[11:10] <Oxymoron> Why doesnt this work? konsole --noclose --new-tab --workdir $PWD -e "$f" I get file not found.
[11:10] <Oxymoron> The files where $f is the same as the working dir my bash script is in.
[11:11] <eagles0513875> hey Oxymoron
[11:11] <Oxymoron> eagles0513875: hi :)
[11:11] <eagles0513875> im no help there Oxymoron
[11:13] <eagles0513875> havvent been in this channel in ages :)
[11:14] <SunTsu> eagles0513875: looks like you are looking for samba
[11:14] <eagles0513875> humm ok let me try something
[11:14] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: what does $f contain?
[11:15] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: "client" or "server"
[11:15] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: http://pastie.org/3822082
[11:15] <eagles0513875> bah have try this after i finish upgrading to 12.04
[11:16] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: I am using it to run server first and then client in same konsole window, but different tabs. Thats when I do running from Kdevelop
[11:20] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: what are server and client? Scripts, binaries?
[11:20] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: Binaries
[11:20] <zk_> moun software center is broken
[11:21] <zk_> muon
[11:25] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: in your example above you don't run it with "./" prepended, in your pastey you do. Without it you need to add "." to $PATH, which is a bad idea
[11:28] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: So how to do it properly then?
[11:28] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: "./$f"
[11:28] <SunTsu> like the way you do it in your pastey
[11:33] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: Which do not work ...
[11:33] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: The error I get is Warning: Could not find '/ home/joel/Dropbox/KTH/HI1026 - Project, Internet Technology / Project / build / client'. Starts '/ bin / bash' instead. Check your profile settings.
[11:34] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: Er, you may think really hard why that won't work
[11:35] <SunTsu> what the heck is that path name?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:38] <lethu> hya
[11:38] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: Absolute path to binary? Is there any chars in my directory name that is illegal?
[11:39] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: at least here it looks as if that path name is fubar, lots of stray spaces
[11:39] <SunTsu> "/ home"? " Project / build / client"?
[11:40] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: Ah sorry, no it is not spaces between, I did google translate :D
[11:42] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: still, how can "./client" end up with a fully qualified path name? You are not telling us everything. Please, paste everything you are doing exactly like you do it and do the same with the results
[11:43] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: else we're running aroung inside a huge fog
[11:44] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: This is exactly what I do at the moment http://pastie.org/3822219
[11:47] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: Then konsole doesn't like that path, try it with something more sane
[11:48] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: Why should it be different than other ones? Just want the freaking binaries to run parallell in two different processes in whatever bash that will run it.
[11:49] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: Well, I asked you to paste stuff, and you did only paste part of it, I offer you something to try, which you don't want to. Good luck from here
[11:50] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: No I paste ALL of it ;) I tried different things, nothing works.
[11:50] <Oxymoron> Konsole is bugging
[11:53] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: No, I asked you to paste everything you do, which you didn't, you only pasted that script. I asked you to paste the results exactly the way they are, which you didn't. I addition you argue with me. As I said, good luck, I don't want to put more effort in helping you than you do in helping me help you.
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, maybe you should stick with one chat instead of posting in 2 , that's bad behaviour
[11:54] <Oxymoron> seriously ...
[11:55] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, he's busy trying get answers in 2 chats at once
[11:55] <Oxymoron> I pasted evrything, both error result and bash script.
[11:56] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: Welcome to my ignore list, have a nice stay
[11:56] <Oxymoron> Both my pasties get same end result, so please no difference.
[11:56] <BluesKaj> !COC | Oxymoron
[12:06] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, he was posting in #kde as well ...he fianlly admitted he was try to run the script from kdevelop
[12:07] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: I don't care. I don't people who don't want to work with me resolving their problem
[12:07] <SunTsu> er, put a "help" wherever you see fit in above sentence ;)
[12:07] <BluesKaj> :)
[12:10] <BluesKaj> he's the type , "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"...bites off way more than he can handle , then expects us to get him out of his jams ...he's been doing this for yrs ...never properly researches his probs or projexts , tthen he expects us to hold his hand
[12:10] <BluesKaj> frustrating
[12:11] <lethu> talking about Stallman by any hazard?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> nope ..
[12:12] <lethu> oh, k
[12:13] <BluesKaj> oxy-moron
[12:14] <lethu> I see
[12:17] <MrWobz> Hello does anybody have experiance sharing an internet connection ?
[12:17] <lethu> Hello MrWobz
[12:17] <jussi> !ics
[12:18] <SunTsu> MrWobz: ask what you want to know or state your issue
[12:18] <MrWobz> I need server a to let server b use the internet feed from the nic1 while giving out on nic2
[12:18] <MrWobz> Basically I have a server colocated, I want to colocate another but dont want to buy a switch
[12:19] <MrWobz> I am only allowed one internet feed, both servers have two nics
[12:20] <MrWobz> basically Im pretty sure it can be done via /network/interfaces
[12:21] <pangolin> MrWobz, see what ubottu just said
[12:21] <MrWobz> yes thats an iptables method
[12:36] <BluesKaj> MrWobz,  this is not an exact example of what you're looking for , but it might help http://nixcraft.com/networking-firewalls-security/17041-how-configure-2-nics-one-lan-other-internet.html
[12:36] <eagles0513875> wowie :D
[12:37] <eagles0513875> 12.04 is zippy
[12:37] <eagles0513875> on my netbook
[12:37] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: there is also untangled which is debian based and has an easy to manage webinterface for all sorts of aspects
[12:38] <eagles0513875> you need 2 nic's with it one for the external interface and one for internal interface
[12:40] <MrWobz> BluesKaj that is what I want, I have static ip routing for eth0 (internet) but in regards to eth1 the ip addresses and broadcast info...  will that be the new ips that ive been allocated? also gateway? Do I use what gateway they have set up for me or do I configure a gateway and dns server on of the servers ?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> MrWobz, if you are using static IP on LAN then list those in /etc/hosts.allow , and the dns nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf ...if you have a  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d file might overwrite the resolv.conf file so you have to list the dns nameservers there
[12:48] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, it's not me who's trying to configure 2 nics
[12:48] <eagles0513875> ok im just saying if you want to relay the message
[12:49] <MrWobz> Okay, If somebody can help me out via PM I will donate to a charity of their choice... im in a bit of a rush and this is a first time deal for me
[12:50] <BluesKaj> MrWobz, I have no experience with 2 nics connected to the same gateway ...I use a router
[12:50] <eagles0513875> MrWobz: are you trying to setup some sort of security or something?
[12:51] <MrWobz> no im trying to colocate my second server but ive just been told im only allowed one internet feed
[12:51] <BluesKaj> I was hoping that URL wouls answer you questions
[12:51] <BluesKaj> colocate ..what's that mean?
[12:51] <MrWobz> putting a server into a datacentre
[12:52] <BluesKaj> I understand co-locate but in terms of connections?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> MrWobz, too bad you can't find a router somewhere
[12:55] <MrWobz> BluesKaj paying for a switch is an extra £20 a month,
[12:55] <BluesKaj> or a hub
[12:56] <BluesKaj> without modem
[12:56] <MrWobz> I dont think you understand what Im trying to do, I have 1x 100mb line
[12:56] <MrWobz> only allowed one cable,
[12:57] <MrWobz> so I need to have server one share internet with server two so server two has its own outbound ips
[12:58] <MrWobz> I need one nic to work like a switch
[12:58] <BluesKaj> I suppose I don't ..I picture 3 pcs connected to a router which then feeds the internet modem
[13:00] <BluesKaj> I think I get it , but my experience with configuring server nics is nil
[13:10] <BluesKaj> MrWobz, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/basic-kubuntu-router-dhcp-functioning-what-about-internet-accessk-887816/
[15:10] <velayo> Hi there
[15:11] <BluesKaj> hey
[15:11] <velayo> I'm new to kubuntu and need some help.
[15:11] <jessie> What's up?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> velayo, just ask your question
[15:12] <velayo> I installed precise on my laptop and although its working perfectly, it wont let me set my secondary desktop to : left of
[15:12] <velayo> the main laptop screen
[15:13] <velayo> I can't change the absolute value from the laptops lvds.  My laptop is an HP G62 Ati Vision gpu
[15:16] <BluesKaj> secondary desktop ?
[15:16] <jessie> So you have 2 screens?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> or virtual desktop?
[15:19] <velayo> yes secondary
[15:19] <velayo> vga output
[15:26] <jessie> And you are attempting to do this with the system settings option?
[15:33] <velayo> @jessie yes with the system option
[15:34] <jessie> Interesting. I've never used that to configure my dual screens, so I am not going to be of much help.
[15:34] <unknown__> hey
[15:35] <velayo> what do you use?
[15:37] <velayo> @jessie do you mind telling me how do you configure it?  Is it fidling with xorg settings?
[15:38] <jessie> I use the nvidia-settings tool.
[15:39] <jessie> I use the proprietary Nvidia driver, so the tool works well for me.
[15:40] <unknown__> This ubuntu is pretty cool (Y)
[15:42] <ct529> hi everybody .... I do not seem to be able to migrate all my old emails from 474 to 482 .... when I launch kontact it keeps crashing
[15:44] <velayo> @jessie I tried using the ati config thing but it messes the system's ability to wake from sleep.  The comp actually thinks that there are two monitors conected regardless
[15:45] <ct529> it has started happening since I migrated from 11.04 to 11.10 (kubuntu 11.10 64bit with kde 482 now)
[15:56] <Xabster> Anyone else have problems with skype crashing (stops to respond and needs to be restarted via kill -9 PID) ?
[15:57] <dewar> hello hello. i have a sata hardrive plugged into kde and os is not seeing it when i fdisk -l
[15:57] <BluesKaj> !kmail | ct529
[15:58] <BluesKaj> !info kmail | ct529
[15:58] <genii-around> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2 has some stuff to try
[15:59] <BluesKaj> hmmm, there used to be a factoid about upgrading kmail and the problems with migratng contacts and eails
[15:59] <BluesKaj> emails
[15:59] <Darkwing> Xabster: Are you using skype from the site or, repositories?
[16:00] <ct529> BluesKaj: thanks but .... wher eis the information? :-)
[16:01] <ct529> Xabster: I solved it by installing the package static
[16:01] <ct529> Xabster: it seems to work
[16:01] <Xabster> Darkwing, i honestly forgot...
[16:02] <Xabster> ct529, package static? what is that?
[16:02] <ct529> Xabster: go to the skype website and download the package that uses the static libraries, not the shared libraries
[16:03] <Darkwing> I've just enabled canonical partners and installed it via apt
[16:04] <BluesKaj> ct529, use genii-around's post above and scroll down to Failed Migration
[16:06] <ct529> BluesKaj: genii-around: yes, this is what I am doing at the moment .... :-)
[16:07] <Xabster> ct529, okay, got it - do you know how i make the extracted executable "look like" it has been installed so that my launcher recognizes it?
[16:09] <henry_> hello
[16:10] <henry_> anybody here
[16:13] <BluesKaj> guess not :)
[16:14] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:29] <HelenB> How do I find the Window ID of a program?
[16:31] <hispeed88> Hi
[16:33] <hispeed88> someone here :)?
[16:34] <tsimpson> HelenB: open a terminal, type "xwininfo", then click the window you want to know the ID of
[16:34] <lethu> hello hispeed88
[16:34] <lethu> hispeed88, just go on about your question if you have any
[16:35] <hispeed88> no questions yet lethu will begin with using Linux this weekend -> Linux winn :)
[16:36] <lethu> hispeed88, nice, good luck!
[16:37] <hispeed88> thanks yes it will be a long way. After 15 years windows. I have tried once Archlinux but this was a little bit confusing to start-up and now I thought about this step another few years and yesterday I just said.. yes now it's time to begin a switch/move
[16:38] <HelenB> tsimpson: thanks for the reminder :3
[16:38] <lethu> hispeed88, never too late to make the switch ;)
[16:40] <lethu> hispeed88, I suggest you try the livecd environment before installing, one never knows
[16:40] <hispeed88> yes that was my idea i found a good installation guide on a german website (i'm swiss)
[16:40] <lethu> good
[16:41] <HelenB> tsimpson: that's funny though...
[16:41] <HelenB> I got the ID right.
[16:41] <HelenB> I set up the Window behaviour of Quassel to start up minimized. lol
[16:41] <HelenB> and it starts up
[16:41] <HelenB> but not minimized
[16:41] <HelenB> there are no settings for it within quassel.
[16:42] <hispeed88> today i can't start because maybe i have to use this laptop ;=) for streaming a movie on my TV ^^ women visit :D you never know
[16:42] <lethu> HelenB, the id you are supposed to use is "Quassel" not the number series
[16:42] <lethu> hispeed88, :)
[16:42] <HelenB> lethu: I didn't use the number
[16:42] <HelenB> I used Quassel IRC
[16:43] <lethu> HelenB, try just "Quassel"
[16:43]  * HelenB sighs
[16:43] <lethu> brb
[16:44] <HelenB> lethu: is window behaviour case sensative.
[16:44] <HelenB> the Window class decapitalized.
[16:44] <hispeed88> lethu from where are you?
[16:45] <HelenB> okay brb
[16:49] <hispeed88> HelenB back in town
[16:50] <HelenB> oh
[16:50] <HelenB> hispeed88: Eh?
[16:51] <hispeed88> just said that youre welcome back
[16:51] <hispeed88> we used to say that when we were younger :D
[16:51] <hispeed88> my last irc chat is a few years ago
[16:52] <HelenB> kay
[16:52] <HelenB> erm...
[16:52] <HelenB> It's annoying that everytime I log in KDE needs access to the kwallet.
[16:52] <hispeed88> what is kwallet?
[16:52] <tsimpson> so set the password to blank
[16:53] <HelenB> How?
[16:53] <HelenB> It set it to my login pass.
[16:53] <HelenB> How do I blank it?
[16:53] <tsimpson> go into the wallet manager, right-click the wallet, change password
[16:53] <tsimpson> just press OK
[16:54] <HelenB> hispeed88: It's that things that you put your money in! :3
[16:54] <tsimpson> and as for quassel, you can right-click the window title, or press Alt-F3, then go to Advanced -> Special Application Settings
[16:54] <hispeed88> first.. i'm guy and i'm not blonde :D i will see it when i have installed kubuntu
[16:55] <tsimpson> then Size & Position, and check the "Minimized" box, and choose "Apply Initially", and press OK
[16:55] <HelenB> I know
[16:55] <HelenB> I know I know
[16:55] <HelenB> lol
[16:55] <HelenB> I did that ages ago
[16:55] <FloodBotK1> HelenB: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:55] <tsimpson> hispeed88: It's the secure information storage system used in KDE, for passwords, WiFi keys etc
[16:55] <HelenB> FloodBotK1: Ignored.
[16:55] <tsimpson> HelenB: it's a bad idea to ignore the bots
[16:56] <HelenB> tsimpson: They keep highlighting me and it's annoying.
[16:56] <tsimpson> then stop flooding...
[16:57] <HelenB> brb
[17:00] <BluesKaj> she has a habit ..addicted to the enter key
[17:01] <HelenB> What?
[17:02] <HelenB> It failed again :(
[17:02] <BluesKaj> you're ddicted to enter key
[17:02] <BluesKaj> addicted rather
[17:04] <BluesKaj> poor rekonq it's a mess on 1920x1080
[17:05] <ct529> BluesKaj: why?
[17:05] <ct529> BluesKaj: genii-around: it seems to be migrating btw
[17:05] <genii-around> ct529: Good!
[17:35] <hispeed88> can't wait to install kubuntu :D
[17:41] <DarthFrog> No reason to wait.
[17:41] <hispeed88> I do have one
[17:42] <copacetic> I am running Kubuntu 12.04, I just did an update today and restarted my system, I get to the log in screen, but after logging in rather than booting my desktop I just get a black screen, all I can see is my mouse pointer, and it just hangs like that, can someone tell me how to best debug this problem
[17:49] <ScottyK> Greetings! Is there a way for Dolphin to search for files with only a lower case extension (.jpg) instead of upper case (.JPG)?
[17:54] <HelenB> Why wont Kopete work?
[17:54] <HelenB> I click add user and nothing happens.
[17:55] <lethu> HelenB, what protocol are you wishing to use?
[17:56] <HelenB> lethu, IRC if possible. lol
[17:56] <lethu> huh
[17:57] <lethu> don't you have XChat or Quassel already for that?
[17:57] <HelenB> ?
[17:57] <HelenB> lethu, it's annoying
[17:57] <HelenB> on my netbook
[17:57] <HelenB> just tell me
[17:57] <HelenB> how do I add a user?
[17:57] <FloodBotK1> HelenB: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:58] <lethu> HelenB, I have never tried using irc on kopete, sorry :s
[17:58] <lethu> furthermore, Kopete isn't that stable to my knowledge
[17:58] <HelenB> oh
[17:58] <HelenB> hmm okay :3
[17:59] <HelenB> lethu, I'm trying to use a client that is supported by the notification indicator.
[17:59] <HelenB> Quassel was annoying
[17:59] <HelenB> and so is Konversation
[17:59] <lethu> HelenB, you might want to try Pidgin then
[17:59] <tsimpson> will you please just lay off the enter key
[18:00] <tsimpson> use a comma, it's much easier to read
[18:00] <HelenB> lethu, It uses channel tabs but I want channel lists.
[18:01] <HelenB> Also pidgin isn't supported by message indicator.
[18:02] <lethu> HelenB, it is
[18:02] <HelenB> It doesn't say it.
[18:02] <HelenB> I don't want tabs for my channels.
[18:02] <lethu> it shows KDE notifications for me
[18:02] <lethu> mhhh
[18:03] <lethu> HelenB, you could try IRSSI
[18:03] <HelenB> lethu, No because I want lists for the channels.
[18:03] <HelenB> Irssi is an ass to set up.
[18:03] <lethu> lol
[18:04] <HelenB> Also when someone highlights me KDE wont notify me.
[18:04] <lethu> mhhh
[18:06] <BluesKaj> must be tqlking about the irssi gui version
[18:14] <HelenB> lethu, Does pidgin support facebook chat? :o
[18:20] <lethu> HelenB, let me check
[18:21] <lethu> HelenB, yes it does
[18:28] <bazhang> pidgin-facebookchat   HelenB is the package
[18:33] <HelenB> bazhang, Why would I need to install that when I can just install pidgin and configure a facebook account in there?
[19:05] <brad__> random comuter trouble shoot here... people in youtube videos have blue skin, even after restarting the brwser, ideas?
[19:06] <Pici> brad__: right click on the video to get to the flash preferences, and then toggle hardware acceleration.
[19:07] <Pici> You might need to go to fullscreen to do that.
[19:09] <brad__> pici; i disabled hardware acceleration and it worked! what is that btw?
[19:09] <savio> hey i'm having problem while loading opengl driver in desktop effects
[19:09] <savio> anyone help?
[19:09] <Pici> brad__: Has to do with how flash talks to your graphics card.  I haven researched the bugfix myself though, just have seen others get things fixed with that solution.
[19:10] <brad__> pici any reason i should need to turn it back on that you're aware of?
[19:11] <Pici> brad__: Unless you're having really bad problems with dropped frames, you shouldn't need it.
[19:11] <brad__> thanks a lot
[19:11] <Pici> np
[20:39] <waeter> can anyone tell me why i have, or more importantly how to fix the fact that in my grub i'm only showing 3 recovery kernels and a windows partition? :(
[20:49] <Xabster> skype can't figure out my mic because of pulseaudio - anything i need to know?
[21:00] <Angelforget> Kubuntu 4.12 Beta 2 is great compliment to all the staff
[21:01] <jessie> Yeah, so far I am loving it. After the few bugs I had got straightened out, life is now good.
[21:04] <Angelforget> jessie, say that with the latest updates and no bugs then there are only 5 days to official release
[21:28] <graft> so, how do i map a shell command to a keyboard shortcut?
[21:28] <graft> i thought this would be a pizza cake, but i'm drowning in confusing menus
[21:32] <lethu> graft, go to Settings
[21:32] <lethu> system settings*
[21:32] <lethu> then "Shortcuts and Gestures"
[21:33] <graft> you mean the input actions stuff, yeah, i found it
[21:33] <graft> terrible design
[21:33] <graft> and i mean TERRIBLE
[21:33] <lethu> graft, well I didn't have any problem with it
[21:33] <graft> you can use it, sure... it is just really badly designed
[21:33] <lethu> might be a question of taste or something along those lines
[21:34] <graft> like why is the first tab when you click on something "Comment"?
[21:34] <graft> makes no sense
[21:34] <graft> you can call it taste, but to some extent it is just objectively bad
[21:34] <lethu> graft, be glad you have the option to set shortcuts at all
[21:34] <lethu> if you were under Windows for instance you wouldn't even dream of that
[21:35] <lethu> >custom shortcuts
[21:35] <graft> what's your point? that things could be worse?
[21:35] <lethu> graft, exactly
[21:35] <graft> my point is things could be better, so, i guess that's just a difference between us
[21:36] <lethu> graft, then post a suggestion on the KDE community message board and try to contribute
[21:37] <lethu> besides, one can't really complain about *free* stuff...
[21:37] <lethu> let alone free stuff which you can modify or influence
[21:44] <graft> sure, i can do that, and i often do if i feel it would be useful
[21:44] <graft> still, i feel like i have the right to complain if i feel like it... just because it's free doesn't mean i can't have an opinion about it
[21:45] <jessie> How else would it be improved if no one complained?
[21:46] <lethu> well, I have obviously made a mistake, I called your behavior "complaining" whereas it actually was bitching
[21:46] <graft> i guess lethu's point is, complaint is only useful (and therefore allowed) if it's in a forum where it can result in change
[21:46] <maco> hey folks, lets keep it civil
[21:47] <maco> and less with the swearing, yeesh
[21:47] <maco> by which i mean: no swearing
[21:49] <lethu> yeah, well it wasn't me who used such means as HYPERBOLE and redundancy first as if I was touched in my dignity or who knows what else....
[21:49] <lethu> and yes graft, you guessed it right
[21:49] <lethu> you aren't going to make things progress by complaining here
[21:49] <lethu> *here* is merely a support place
[21:50] <lethu> not a feedback collecting one
[21:50] <jussi> graft: bugs.kde.org is th place, preferably with a description of how it should be done.
[22:24] <tiziana> hi
[23:05] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[23:33] <markburberry32> good morning.  Wonder if anyone's about to help me with something - i'm housesitting for a friend, he's let me use his computer which is running something called 12.04 LTS - something just popped up on his machine, I don't know what it is, and I don't want to press it in case I break something.
[23:33] <markburberry32> I should mention, I don't normally use KDE - my own machine at my house runs on Debian 6.0.4
[23:34] <markburberry32> The thing is in the system tray on his taskbar, and it looks like a cogwheel with an arrow pointing downwards in it.