[00:00] * pleia2 waves [00:00] o/ [00:00] #startmeeting [00:00] Meeting started Fri Apr 20 00:00:44 2012 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [00:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [00:01] Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for April 19th. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas [00:01] We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off. [00:01] The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO). [00:01] ach applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions. [00:02] s/ach/Each [00:02] During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote. [00:02] When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!) [00:02] #voters nhandler Pendulum cyphermox dinda pleia2 [00:02] Current voters: Pendulum cyphermox dinda nhandler pleia2 [00:02] Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant... [00:02] caravena, are you here? [00:03] fitoschido, are you here? [00:04] MrChrisDruif: how about you? :) [00:04] Meh, I might be [00:04] #topic MrChrisDruif membership === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: MrChrisDruif membership [00:04] introduce away! [00:04] Alright, for who doesn't know me I'm Chris Druif and I'm mainly involved with Lubuntu [00:05] My wiki page is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MrChrisDruif [00:05] You can find all my contact info on there, including everything I don't really use like launchpad and ubuntuforums [00:06] I've been the Wiki/Docs Coordinator of Lubuntu since January and today I've actually become a member of the Ubuntu Wiki Docs Editors [00:07] Please feel free to ask any questions [00:07] some of your testimonial writers did a better job of covering all the work you do than your wiki page does [00:07] Oh, I also help out on Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter by updating the links for the flavor meetings and sometimes summaries [00:07] there you go [00:08] I'm not one to boast [00:08] several testimonials from beginners team too [00:08] looks like you have a good history of work in the community - and tons of testimonials [00:08] I'm also here to support him. [00:08] thanks Unit193 [00:09] I think if you look at the raw version /Testimonials you'll see almost every page I've edited ^_^ [00:09] s//Testimonials//Contributions [00:09] ah, good [00:10] Any questions? Please ask if I forgot to mention anything [00:10] always nice to see a future goals section, that's for including it [00:11] s/that's/thanks [00:11] MrChrisDruif: you just made me very curious about Lubuntu! [00:12] We've got a cool channel with people far more knowledgeable about Lubuntu then me on #lubuntu-offtopic and for support go to #lubuntu [00:13] Including but not limited to Unit193 ^_^ [00:13] #vote MrChrisDruif Membership [00:13] Please vote on: MrChrisDruif Membership [00:13] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [00:13] +1 [00:13] +1 received from pleia2 [00:13] +1 [00:13] +1 received from cyphermox [00:13] +1 [00:13] +1 received from dinda [00:13] +1 [00:13] +1 received from Pendulum [00:13] +1 [00:13] +1 received from nhandler [00:13] #endvote [00:13] Voting ended on: MrChrisDruif Membership [00:13] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [00:13] Motion carried [00:13] congrats and welcome MrChrisDruif :) [00:14] Congratulations MrChrisDruif ! [00:14] O_O [00:14] Yay! Thanks everyone! [00:14] Congrats! [00:14] congratulations! and keep up the great work! [00:14] Congratz!! [00:14] MrChrisDruif: Congrats and welcome! [00:14] #topic Unit193 Membership === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Unit193 Membership [00:14] Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unit193 LP: http://launchpad.net/~unit193 [00:14] Howdy! My name is Unit 193, I'm from Ohio and part of the Ohio LoCo. Our city has a small ReLoCo that has had events I have gone to, I haven't been able to make any of the major statewide events as they have either been the wrong day, or I couldn't get there, but I really hope to make OLF this year. [00:14] I'm rooting for ya Unit193 !! [00:14] Unlike the person last month, my wiki seems to be stuck on -q mode as I am not a wiki person. :P I am involved with the Lubuntu and Xubuntu projects, randomly help the news team if they really need it, and you can find me in random other places on and off Freenode. [00:15] (Had to prewrite or I'd go blank) [00:15] caravena: thanks for joining us, we'll get to your application next :) [00:16] Unit193: no problem, a lot of this meeting is scripted ;) [00:16] as i state in the wiki, Unit193 gets +1 from me [00:16] pleia2 ok [00:17] Same here [00:17] Thanks. [00:17] * SergioMeneses takes seat [00:17] thanks knome and MrChrisDruif [00:17] Unit193: Any plans to get involved with that ISO adoption project? [00:17] Does it go by any other name? [00:18] I may not have heard of it, so I'd have to check it out. [00:18] Unit193: Let me find a link (I admit, I'm not the most familiar) [00:18] http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/04/would-you-adopt-iso.html [00:19] it's a more formal adoption of the iso tests you already do, to be responsible for a particular set of tests for an iso getting finished [00:19] if those iso's cover xubuntu iso's, i will +1 for Unit193 doing that too ;) [00:19] Yep, that was it. Thanks pleia2 [00:19] it does! [00:19] (otherwise, only +.99) [00:19] hehe [00:19] Hardware is a bit limited, and I can't hit any 64bit, but I can hit 32. [00:20] I'm sure many people would appreciate the help [00:20] yes, definitely, especially if it is on the derivative images (whether that was xubuntu or lubuntu or any other) [00:21] I'd love to help with that, but it'd be hard commiting to it as the computer that has the power to test the best is a shared computer, so I'd have to check. (Also, affew real life events I have to work with) [00:22] another thank you for including future info so we don't need to ask :) [00:22] #vote Unit193 Membership [00:22] Please vote on: Unit193 Membership [00:22] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [00:22] Heh, I tried, but it may be a touch outdated. [00:22] +1 [00:22] +1 received from pleia2 [00:22] +1 [00:22] +1 received from nhandler [00:22] I work with Ubuntu 12.04 developed, I'm chilean and talk spanih default [00:22] +1 [00:22] +1 received from cyphermox [00:22] +1 [00:22] +1 received from dinda [00:22] Pendulum? [00:23] caravena; just a minute, just wait for the results [00:23] ok sorry [00:24] looks like we may have lost her for the moment, and that's quorum so [00:24] #endvote [00:24] Voting ended on: Unit193 Membership [00:24] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [00:24] Motion carried [00:24] congrats, welcome Unit193! :) [00:24] congrats Unit193! (and i'm off to bed... o/ see you) [00:24] Thanks! [00:24] Congratulations Unit193 ! [00:24] #topic caravena Membership === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: caravena Membership [00:25] I'm chilean [00:25] Congratulations buddy!! [00:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CristianAravena [00:26] Congratz Unit193 [00:26] https://launchpad.net/~caravena [00:26] Thanks, cyphermox [00:26] Err. [00:27] yay for tab completion ;) [00:27] I work in ubuntu-cl [00:27] in marketing [00:28] Pedro Villavicencio help to my [00:28] caravena: I'm a little confused, is this you too? https://launchpad.net/~cristianvirtual (they are listed as the ubuntu-cl contact) [00:28] I'm working now in flisol -> http://guliqq.unap.cl [00:29] pleia2, no, I'm "caravena" [00:29] Cristian Aravena [00:29] caravena: your wiki page says you're the LoCo Contact, but you are not [00:30] oummm sorry [00:30] bug [00:30] :S [00:31] pleia2, ubuntu-cl team has a council === MrChrisDruif is now known as BrokenThumb [00:32] Thanks SergioMeneses [00:32] SergioMeneses: right, I'm going by this: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-cl [00:32] he's not on that either [00:33] caravena: do you think you could update your wiki with accurate details, maybe put a bit more information about what you do in the LoCo? [00:33] pleia2, you're rigth === BrokenThumb is now known as MrChrisDruif [00:35] then I going to update my wiki page [00:35] caravena: also, get some more testimonials, from people you work with in the chilean loco :) [00:35] pleia2, ok [00:37] cyrex: you there? [00:37] yes [00:38] I am here cyphermox [00:38] #topic cyrex Membership === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: cyrex Membership [00:38] alright :) [00:38] hello [00:38] Should I start now? [00:39] Sorry guys a LITTLE nervous [00:39] yes, go ahead [00:39] I am Luis Alvarado from Venezuela. Have been an active Ubuntu user since 5.04. Started helping other users with Linux and Ubuntu since 2006-2007, at least for user from Windows. Have taught several Linux classes that focus on Ubuntu, the server side and desktop side. Also participated in an international event called FLISOL (Will participate this year again). My time right now is spend in askubuntu helping out, teaching/promoting about Ubuntu Linux in [00:39] Venezuela and I am going to start my webpage ubuntuve.com from scratch which will be about video tutorials about Ubuntu and programming in Linux (Spanish mostly). [00:39] https://launchpad.net/~luisalvaradox (Empty for the time being. Got a couple of tools I want to add this year) [00:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/luisalvarado [00:39] This is a link to askubuntu where I do some helping: http://askubuntu.com/users/7035/ [00:40] And here is a link to the ranking so it might help or something: http://askubuntu.com/users?tab=reputation&filter=all [00:40] always nice to meet other folks who are putting Ubuntu into schools :) [00:40] wow, you've been using askubuntu for a long time! [00:40] That's true [00:41] yes. About a year [00:41] cyrex: is teaching Venezuelan Users about Ubuntu something separate from your job? [00:42] I do it in the job and separate [00:42] great [00:42] for example, when talking about networking, computer assembly or programming I always talk to them about linux and ubuntu [00:42] so many of them eventually take the linux course which I teach using ubuntu [00:43] that is in the job, outside the job and help out friends and anybody interested in using a real operating system [00:43] :) [00:43] really great work [00:44] I have a small group in facebook with some friends that I help with this. Also have ubuntuve.com/ubuntuvenezuela.com which I will start from scratch with video tutorials of how to use ubuntu, configuration, etc. [00:44] Besides the videos, any other plans/goals for the future? [00:46] Well my 2012 goals in order are: Finish ubuntu tutorials on webpage, finish symfony programming and I want to start working on python so I can help with Ubuntu. Right now my plan is to create awareness of ubuntu in Venezuela and maybe a social group around it. Then try to work my way up to someday maybe work in Ubuntu as a developer. [00:47] aks728 [00:47] nice to hear :) [00:47] #vote cyrex Membership [00:47] Please vote on: cyrex Membership [00:47] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [00:47] akc, wrong keyboard [00:47] +1 [00:47] +1 received from pleia2 [00:47] +1 [00:47] +1 received from nhandler [00:47] +1 [00:47] +1 received from dinda [00:47] +1 [00:47] +1 received from Pendulum [00:47] +1 [00:47] +1 received from cyphermox [00:47] #endvote [00:47] Voting ended on: cyrex Membership [00:47] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [00:47] Motion carried [00:47] congrats and welcome cyrex! [00:48] Congratulations cyrex!! [00:48] Congratulations ! [00:48] Whohoo. Thanks guys [00:48] congrats cyrex [00:48] Now let me see my next step: Take over the world. Ok got it [00:48] Congrats cyrex! (got it right this time) [00:48] thanks everyone :) [00:48] Man I am still shaken hehe [00:49] Yep. Thanks you everyone, and congratulations to the new members. [00:49] ;) [00:49] and before we all run off, we have three board members expiring next month, so while welcome to reapply, thanks to nhandler and dinda for their work on the board these past couple years :) [00:50] :) [00:50] yup, thanks nhandler and dinda :) [00:50] pleia2: thank you for your work over the past (4?) years as well! [00:50] Pendulum: indeed 4! too many :) [00:50] Well thank you I am going to tell my girlfriend [00:51] you all have a nice day/night [00:51] you too [00:51] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [00:51] Meeting ended Fri Apr 20 00:51:14 2012 UTC. [00:51] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-20-00.00.moin.txt [00:51] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-20-00.00.html === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang === plars-away is now known as plars === doko_ is now known as doko === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch === lionel__ is now known as lionel === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [14:59] * skaet waves [15:00] hello! [15:00] :) [15:00] #startmeeting [15:00] Meeting started Fri Apr 20 15:00:32 2012 UTC. The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 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Changes to the unseeded universe can continue to go in, but changes to seeded packages will need to be release critical ( basically blockers and not SRUable) at this point before they'll be accepted. Please discuss on #ubuntu-release if you see any release blockers pop up during testing immediately. Testing of the release candid [15:01] ates is in progress, so we'll be trying to minimize the respins. [15:01] . [15:01] #ubuntu-release if questions, please. [15:01] . [15:01] Schedule is at: [15:01] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule [15:01] Key Upcoming Dates: [15:01] • 2012/04/24 - Unseeded Universe Final Freeze at 1200 UTC [15:01] • 2012/04/26 - Release!!! [15:01] . [15:01] * stgraber waves [15:01] Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found: [15:01] #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html [15:01] Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found. [15:01] . [15:01] We're also now using: http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-release [15:02] to track the release. [15:02] Lots of late incoming status changes now that we're working with Final Freeze, and I haven't managed to get the paste ups ready. [15:02] from the mail list. [15:03] will try to get it added before end of meeting. [15:03] .. [15:04] [TOPIC] questions/comments from the weekly status, and about the state of the release in general? === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: questions/comments from the weekly status, and about the state of the release in general? [15:05] Please remember to .. when you're done, and o/ if you want us to pause and ask questions. :) [15:05] o/ [15:05] o/ [15:05] General question for all the teams: Are there any release critical bugs that have not been brought to attention of release team? [15:05] bug 985862 just came in [15:05] Launchpad bug 985862 in ubufox (Ubuntu Precise) "Update the start page URL" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/985862 [15:05] fix being prepared [15:05] Please think on that and prepare answers... [15:06] (just adding to pad) [15:06] thanks pitti, was that the "o/" or the answer to my question? [15:06] .. [15:07] skaet: your question, o/ still pending [15:07] :) [15:07] pitti, go, while folk are checking and composing then. Thanks! [15:07] .. [15:07] so, we still have a considerably sized http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg [15:07] maas is still in the queue and I've vaguely gathered that (a) it helps with some of the outstanding component-mismatches and (b) it just needs somebody to sit down and review it all; is now still a good time for that? I think we've dropped the ball on that one slightly as the release team [15:07] oh, sorry, misinterpreted pitti. but I think we're asking about kind of the same thing anyway. [15:08] I wanted to ask the server folks if horizon is going to stay seeded, and if so, if at least the python-coverage build dep cuodl be dropped? [15:08] it seems non-essential [15:08] arosales, Daviey ^ [15:08] cjwatson: maas is something different AFAICS [15:08] but also needs sorting out indeed [15:08] I can volunteer to do the review if it's still OK [15:08] Daviey just returned and he said he'd look at it [15:08] it's quite intrusive, and I didn't feel confident enough to yay/nay it [15:09] pitti: I believe horizon will need to stay seeded. I'll have to check on the python-coverage dep with zul and adamg [15:09] I'd certainly rather somebody who knows the code well take care of it, just as long as *somebody* does [15:09] .. [15:09] +1 [15:10] pitti, arosales, Daviey able to get to it for today's respin? or are we looking and possibly having to require an additional one for server later? [15:10] .. [15:10] a good part of the server team is at ODS conference so we have a bit delayed in some of the work. [15:11] arosales, is there anyone else around, who isn't Daviey or the author) that could knowlegably review it now? [15:11] .. [15:12] skaet: for MAAS? [15:12] o/ [15:12] (I've just skimmed it and don't see any problems that are obvious to me.) [15:12] Daviey.... :) delighted to see you. [15:12] * Daviey will take MAAS and follow up with horizon stuff today. [15:12] just.. not right now. [15:12] * skaet hugs Daviey [15:12] skaet: I'm not delighted to see a computer :) [15:13] Daviey, ok, we'll hold off on the respins today until we hear from you on this. [15:13] thanks for that initial look cjwatson too. :) [15:13] .. [15:13] * arosales thanks the release team for all the help with the late server landings [15:13] .. [15:14] cjwatson, you're question again? [15:14] handled [15:14] coolio. [15:14] Daviey, any question indicated by your 'o/'? [15:15] hmm.. [15:15] . o O { suggestion: \o for hello, o/ for questions :) } [15:15] no, just showing presence.. sorry [15:15] :) [15:15] * skaet likes pitti's suggestion. Next release ;) [15:16] ok, going back to round tabling from each of the teams on release critical non SRUable fixes...? [15:16] arosales - is there anything on your team's radar? [15:16] pitti: you're mixing three different styles of ascii art there, confuses my little brain! [15:16] lol [15:17] .. [15:17] skaet: no release critical bugs that I am aware of. [15:17] thanks arosales. [15:17] cjwatson: ? [15:17] skaet: none here for the kernel that I'm aware of. issues I'm currently tracking should be getting handled in our day-0 [15:17] .. [15:17] thanks ogasawara. :) [15:17] everything I know of has come up in #ubuntu-release, although as I said in my status update we do need to clear outdated binaries. [15:18] I'm trawling through the relevant build failures at the moment ... [15:18] .. [15:18] thanks cjwatson. :) [15:18] jibel: anything showing up from the recent testing that might be suspect? [15:18] .. [15:19] roadmr or brendand: from your team? [15:19] .. [15:19] skaet: a bug that was subsequently fixed, so we're ok now :) [15:20] roadmr, thanks. :) [15:20] skaet: it was bug 984387 [15:20] Launchpad bug 984387 in Linux "[Dell Studio XPS 1340,Alienware m17x] Kernel panic with 3.0.0-19 and 3.2.0-18 on boot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/984387 [15:21] :) thanks for that. ..? [15:21] .. [15:21] :) [15:22] mdeslaur, anything known as potential to from security update between now and next Wednesday? [15:22] .. [15:22] skaet: I'm here for mdeslaur [15:22] * skaet just wants to know if something is under investigation, or if the slate is pretty clear. [15:22] mdeslaur: don't you come in here :P [15:22] thanks jdstrand. [15:22] (he is on holiday) [15:22] :) [15:22] skaet: nothing is planned [15:23] thanks jdstrand. [15:23] dbarth_, anything from your team? [15:23] .. [15:23] * jibel back [15:24] go ahead jibel while we wait for dbarth_ ... [15:24] anything showing up on radar that might end up as a blocker from recent tests? [15:24] .. [15:24] so I sent the list of defects found this week with testing [15:24] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001151.html [15:25] skaet: hi, not much apart from the last 2 fixes that didrocks added to ubuntu5 [15:25] and found a bug with cdromupgrade from lucid [15:25] bug 986233 [15:25] Launchpad bug 986233 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "lucid -> precise cdromupgrade failed without network connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986233 [15:25] that might be a blocker [15:25] .. [15:26] thanks jibel. Yes, it needs looking at. [15:26] .. [15:26] thanks dbarth, ..? [15:26] skaet: the rest we're targeting for an upcoming 5.12.0; the bamf issue with duplicated icons (#928912 ) [15:26] .. [15:26] o/ [15:26] heh, guess not. Thanks! [15:26] ogra_ go. [15:27] we found an issue with the GLES patch that i fixed today ... sadly there is an unuploaded fix in the tree so i couldnt just upload compiz right away [15:27] the gles fix sits in the compiz packaging tree now but i want to wait for didrocks (who is on vacation) to nod off the former fix 8else i had uploaded right now) [15:28] apparenly he is back on monday though... [15:28] the fix is tested and makes everything work fine now [15:28] .. [15:28] ogra_ yeah, but given the arm build times, etc. monday is getting pretty late. [15:28] pitti, who is didrock's backup on this sort of thing? [15:29] there is no formal backup [15:29] I'd suggest to just uplaod the patch, and adjust bzr accordingly [15:29] i. e. push the unpublished change to the next version [15:29] pitti, not possible [15:29] oh? [15:29] well, I don't know anything else :) [15:30] the arch specific patch needs to sit on top of all other quilt patches sadly [15:30] or do you depend on the previous patch? [15:30] i have to redo everything for the next quilt patch again [15:30] that sounds like a hell of a patch [15:30] branch from the last uploaded revision [15:30] right, since i cant be sure the GLES patch doesnt accidentially touch the same files other quilt patches touch [15:30] then let whoever wants to upload the unuploaded bits worry about merging [15:31] * skaet nods [15:31] (if necessary) [15:31] cjwatson, that still means i need to completely regenerate everything right after the next quilt patch is added [15:31] it would only help until the next upload ... [15:31] you can still prepare *this* upload, which is the time-sensitive one, as I understand it [15:31] at this point this shoudl be offloaded to #u-devel or desktop, but why? [15:32] cjwatson, yes, but for the first (likely 0 day) SRU i have to start over [15:32] so it doesnt help much for the release if dider uploads to proposed next week and i have to do it again [15:32] .. [15:33] patch dependencies and bzr handling seem very independent to me [15:33] "start over" sounds like it must be hyperbole [15:33] I'm prepared to believe you have to fiddle about to some extent with quilt [15:33] but it surely isn't a matter of completely starting from scratch [15:33] or shouldn't be [15:34] well, we have two trees, the gles patch has to be a diff between these two trees ... if one quilt patch is added to the packjaging tree, linaro has to first update their stuff, then i need to redo the diff between the trees and roll that into a new quilt patch ... [15:35]