[00:31] <lifeless> who was it that has trouble getting operating-system-less hp's ?
[00:38] <lifeless> http://www.canonical.com/content/ubuntu-1204-lts-server-be-certified-supported-hp-proliant-systems may interest them
[00:41] <ojwb> wasn't the issue getting the in NZ?
[00:41] <ojwb> ibeardslee had managed to get ascent to do some models on request, at least at one point
[00:42] <lifeless> ah yes ibeardslee
[00:42] <lifeless> so, nz/worldwide, not so different :P
[00:43] <ojwb> i may have misunderstood, but I thought it was already possible to get them without windows elsewhere more easily
[00:43] <ojwb> at least for some values of elsewhere
[00:43] <ojwb> i've not been totally impressed with the linux support for the hardware on my hp laptop TBH
[00:44] <ojwb> the wifi card crashes the kernel fairly quickly, at least in 64 bit mode
[00:47] <lifeless> ojwb: preinstalled linux, or after-purchase install ?
[00:47] <lifeless> I ask, because the ubuntu certified stuff usually has had those bugs ironed out during the certification process
[00:47] <lifeless> (and the fixes rolled into the next Ubuntu release)
[00:54] <ojwb> well, this one I bought with windows sadly. as I needed a machine quickly
[00:54] <ojwb> but bdale says hp are meant to test with linux internally, so I was kind of surprised
[00:54] <ojwb> a friend in the UK has the same model, but it has a different wifi chipset and works fine
[00:55] <ojwb> i wonder if the issue is that the driver is fine with a 32 bit kernel
[00:55] <mwhudson> "morning"
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[01:07] <ojwb> oh, and it came with a USB DVB-T stick, which sometimes fails to initialise for a recording, but maybe that's a mythtv issue
[01:08] <hads> mythtv does have issues.
[01:08] <ojwb> hads: ideas welcome - the log just says something like "failed to initialise" which isn't much help
[01:09] <hads> No ideas sorry, I just know it has issues :)
[01:10] <ojwb> i'm going to update to precise soonish, and I might try to debug a big harder then
[01:10] <ojwb> s/big/bit
[01:10] <ojwb> olly: enjoy your trip?
[02:20] <ibeardslee> lifeless: getting the proliant servers etc without Windows is easy
[02:20] <ibeardslee> most servers go that way
[02:21] <ibeardslee> the workstations and laptops is the hard thing to get sorted
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[23:23] <ojwb> morning