[00:13] <siya> Anyone here know how to just write a toc file to a cdr(w)?
[00:13] <siya> cdrdao wants valid wav files but I only want to write the toc not the rest
[00:20] <gordonjcp> siya: why just a toc file?
[00:20] <gordonjcp> tbh I think you'd actually need audio frames to match the toc anyway
[00:20] <siya> trying to recover a blanked audio cdrw
[00:20] <gordonjcp> ah
[00:20] <siya> I know the audio is there just don't want to over write them
[00:20] <siya> can write to the cd but not read it
[00:20] <gordonjcp> I wonder if you can just pull the audio off with something and recover it later?
[00:20] <siya> I'd live to but dd won't work
[00:21] <siya> s/live/love/
[00:21] <gordonjcp> dd won't work with an audio cd, since it's not a filesystem
[00:21] <siya> indeed
[00:21] <siya> cdrdao says the disk is empty
[00:22] <siya> can;t tell it to ignore the toc and read the rest
[00:22] <siya> some other app/site says that it depends on the drive if you can read it
[00:22] <gordonjcp> maybe hacking on cdrdao would be a good place to start though
[00:22] <siya> have tried about 6 or 7 drives and none allow me to read it
[00:23] <siya> it seems the drive firmware return disk-empty to the OS, rather than allowing the OS direct access to the disk
[00:23] <siya> so if i can write a new toc (raw write to disk)
[00:23] <siya> then I should be good
[00:24] <siya> just want to write a toc w a single audio track of the entire length of the disk
[00:24] <siya> then I can use audacity to cut the audio out of the ripped data (pcm/wav)
[00:29] <siya> Maybe I need to just write raw data to the disk
[06:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:09] <DJones> Morning
[07:11] <diplo> Morning all
[08:01] <ramsrambo> Need help installing Ubuntu 12 beta 2
[08:02] <MartijnVdS> ꔛ
[08:28] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, folks! :)
[08:34] <DJones> A quiet friday even
[08:35] <popey> shh
[08:36] <gord> quiet would be nice :)
[08:37] <oimon> always kick myself for running beta on my work PC
[08:37] <oimon> can't report crashes unless i run dist-upgrade every morning
[08:38] <gord> guy next doors wifi is somehow stronger than my own wifi, all my ubuntu's keep trying to connect to "frednet" :(
[08:38] <oimon> is his bandwidth better?
[08:38] <gordonjcp> heh
[08:39] <gord> its secured, i've no idea why they keep trying to connect
[08:39] <gordonjcp> I used to have that problem
[08:39] <gordonjcp> I just turned up my output power
[08:39] <oimon> until you craked it?
[08:39] <oimon> maybe your cat tried connecting once gord
[08:40] <gord> with HUD, anything is possible
[08:41] <oimon> keep forgetting to use HDU
[08:41] <oimon> HUD
[08:41] <popey> s/use/write/
[08:41] <popey> hmm
[08:41]  * popey gets more coffee
[08:41] <gord> the trick to using hud is to make a connection in your brain from "ugh i have to use a menu...", which i get a lot when using gimp, to "oh i can just type it"
[08:43] <oimon> my machine is in a state, need to restart
[08:43] <oimon> compiz + unity have conspired against me
[08:45] <popey> aquarius: i am pondering not syncing my entire music folder to u1, but syncing each band instead
[08:45] <popey> aquarius: that way i can choose which bands I have on each device
[08:45] <aquarius> popey, what, as separate folders?
[08:45] <popey> rather than having to have everything everywhere
[08:45] <popey> yes
[08:45] <popey> within music
[08:46] <aquarius> yep, you could do that, indeed
[08:46] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ du -hs Music/
[08:46] <popey> 23G	Music/
[08:46] <popey> not a huge amount at the moment tbh
[08:46] <aquarius> stupid question: music streaming doesn't fulfil something you need?
[08:46] <gord> or you could not sync the music folder to each device and use other means to play the music
[08:46] <aquarius> (since that lets you cache only stuff you want)
[08:47] <popey> hmmm
[08:47] <oimon> popey is hmming a lot today
[08:48] <oimon> just enabled osd history to show recent notifications :D
[08:48]  * popey uploads his music to google play while he thinks about it
[08:48] <gord> aquarius, is there any reason that getting a list of music in the android music client is still reeeeeeeally slow? i'm wondering if its something on my side
[08:48]  * oimon wants to do that, needs a tor browser
[08:48] <popey> tor?
[08:48] <oimon> is that how you did it popey ?
[08:48] <oimon> sign up to g music?
[08:48] <aquarius> gord, it is, I suspect, not you
[08:48] <popey> i cant remember
[08:48] <gord> :(
[08:49] <oimon> you need a proxy or tor exit node in the states
[08:49] <popey> oh i worked for xerox and our proxy was in the us
[08:49] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:51] <aquarius> gord, we cache your music listing, but after the cache times out it needs to be regenerated, and at the moment regenerating it is slower than we'd like. It's being worked on right now, that
[08:52]  * popey decides not to upload to google play while U1 is still uploading
[08:55] <diplo> I keep debating U1 Music as at least it will just work
[08:55] <diplo> Two minds I guess
[08:55] <gord> u1 music has worked great for me apart from this one thing
[08:56] <diplo> I store all my music on my media server, what are the commands like to allow what I want to sync via cli only ?
[08:56] <diplo> Easy ?
[08:57] <diplo> I guess you get it free as a staff member gord ?
[08:57] <gord> i do
[08:57] <gord> and there is no cli syncing iirc
[08:59] <diplo> Hmm the faq are very spares, "File Sync & Sharing" is totally empty :/
[09:00] <diplo> sparce*
[09:00] <iclebyte> morning all
[09:03] <brobostigon> !info gnome-shell unstable
[09:04] <popey> diplo: you can run a headless u1 client
[09:05] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:05] <diplo> yeah just trying to find some details popey
[09:05] <oimon> how do i choose a tor exit node in a particular country (US?)
[09:05] <diplo> U1 Faq are a bit sparse
[09:06] <diplo> Might spell it correctly this time
[09:06] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Headless
[09:06] <diplo> ta
[09:08] <popey> oimon: nice that there is an ubuntu compatible google music client so you can easily upload your tracks
[09:11] <SuperEngineer_> morning all - U1 interesting fact...
[09:11] <SuperEngineer_> if you have folder name tarting with "#" it fails on that folder!
[09:11] <SuperEngineer_> *starting
[09:11] <Myrtti> would anyone happen to have old O'Reilly animal books that have fallen into disuse are about a version or a product that is no longer in use?
[09:12] <Myrtti> s/disuse are/disuse or are/
[09:12] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I have a few
[09:13] <oimon> popey, really? what's it called
[09:13] <popey> Google Music Manager
[09:13] <oimon> just managed to sign up 5secs ago
[09:13] <Myrtti> bigcalm: excellent, don't throw them away, I might want to buy them off your hands
[09:13] <oimon> google is offering me an .exe
[09:14] <bigcalm> Myrtti: free to a good home :)
[09:14] <bigcalm> Though p&p might need to be covered as they aren't the lightest of things
[09:15] <Myrtti> bigcalm: or bring them over if we end up going to a same event or something
[09:15] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I struggle to throw away anything computer related
[09:15] <bigcalm> Myrtti: that's what I was thinking
[09:15] <bigcalm> Are you coming to the RAT?
[09:15] <bigcalm> I don't think you said you were going to oggcamp
[09:15] <popey> oimon: deb http://dl.google.com/linux/musicmanager/deb/ stable main
[09:16] <popey> thats from my google-musicmanager.list
[09:16] <Myrtti> bigcalm: oggcamp is still pending, it's a week after I'll be on the archeological dig
[09:16] <popey> which I didnt put there, it probably did
[09:17] <Myrtti> and no I don't think we were thinking of going to RAT
[09:17] <Myrtti> mind you, I'm not planning to *read* them.
[09:17] <Myrtti> I just have a usecase that involves the pages :-P
[09:18] <Myrtti> (and O'Reilly hasn't responded to my email)
[09:18] <bigcalm> o.O
[09:22] <bigcalm> popey: have you sorted out a backlog plugin for irssi proxy usage?
[09:27] <popey> no
[09:27] <Myrtti> although if I tell you what I'm planning to use them for Hayley might find better use for the books for her projects...
[09:27] <Myrtti> hm.
[09:28] <bigcalm> Myrtti: don't worry, you have 1st dibs :)
[09:29] <SuperEngineer_> weird info for a crash report to give: "The report belongs to a package that is not installed."
[09:29] <bigcalm> Nice
[09:29] <SuperEngineer_> that's *really* gonna help the application's developers huh
[09:31] <Myrtti> bigcalm: email incoming :-P
[09:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Liam Proven] Anyone using the backported kernels on Lucid? I'm seeing driver problems. - http://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/28810.html
[09:33] <bigcalm> Myrtti: no worries, Hayley isn't at all geeky like us :S
[09:33] <bigcalm> I like the idea, you should run with it
[09:33] <Laney> wooh
[09:33] <Laney> I found my passport. Thank god for that
[09:34] <bigcalm> UDS bound?
[09:35] <Laney> aye lad
[09:36] <gord> i need to get my roomba a cape
[09:36]  * popey knows his is on his desk somewhere
[09:36] <gord> it deserves a cape
[09:36] <gord> mine was on my desk, then i moved it to keep it safe, now i have no idea where it is
[09:37] <bigcalm> gord: does your cat ride the roomba?
[09:37] <gord> my cats mortal enemy is the roomba
[09:38] <bigcalm> Boo :(
[09:38] <bigcalm> gord: your cat fails at the Internet
[09:51] <oimon> cheers popey. uploaded some songs, no album art though :(
[09:51] <oimon> anyone tried downloading their songs again?
[09:56] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[09:56] <davmor2> morning all
[09:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: good day yesterday even if I was knackered and in pain thanks for helping it be so :)
[09:57] <bigcalm> \o/
[09:57] <bigcalm> I think it went a lot better than we feared it might
[09:58] <davmor2> :)
[09:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: people in the midlands hate signing up to stuff I told you
[09:58] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:59] <bigcalm> It was great to have somebody completely new just turn up out of the blue. Had computer problems which we helped him with
[09:59] <bigcalm> I can't imagine a better example of what the Happy Hour is about
[10:02] <czajkowski> gord: http://xkcd.com/908/
[10:08] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:08] <czajkowski> davmor2: Good morning
[10:16] <oimon> gah..hard freeze on my machine
[10:16] <oimon> only sysreq-B recovered it
[10:29] <popey> did someone here mention good 2TB drives to buy these days?
[10:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [iain woz ere] Finding things - http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/blog/posts/2012/04/passport-found/
[10:32] <czajkowski> Laney: you link to previous post is a 404
[10:32] <Laney> so it is
[10:32] <Laney> I made it work on the index but it broke it there
[10:32] <Laney> WTF
[10:33] <gord> popey, my seagate barracudas are doing me very well, 2TB, slower rpm than the other barracudas but that doesn't really matter for me
[10:33] <popey> thats what i was gonna get, thanks ☺
[10:33] <Laney> i'll never understand wikilinks
[10:33] <gord> never had a barracuda fail on me yet :) love them
[10:34] <czajkowski> Laney: where does one get bread beer
[10:34] <czajkowski> looks interesting
[10:34] <Laney> me mam got it from the US
[10:34] <Laney> it was horrible btw
[10:34] <czajkowski> oh :/
[10:34] <directhex> beer is liquid bread. it's good for you.
[10:35] <popey> gord: 7200 or 5900rpm?
[10:35] <czajkowski> scratch that so
[10:35] <Laney> that could have been the beer I used though (homebrew)
[10:35] <directhex> the worst beer i ever had ever was a morrisons' own brand hot cross bun beer.
[10:35] <Pendulum> I've heard of beer bread, but not bread beer
[10:35] <popey> 5900's are only 81 quid inc vat!
[10:35] <BigRedS> oooh
[10:35] <Pendulum> (beer bread is yummy, but you probably do need to use decent beer)
[10:35] <directhex> i just bought a new 3T disk.
[10:35] <BigRedS> I'm after a couple of TB of disk, twice
[10:35] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/248582-seagate-2tb-3-5-sata-6gb-s-hard-drive-5900rpm-64mb-cache-st2000dl003
[10:36] <gord> popey, 5900
[10:36] <popey> cool, ta
[10:36] <popey> gonna load up my microserver
[10:36] <gord> they were 50 quid when i got them :P
[10:36] <diplo> gord, popey : I have  same drives in my Micro
[10:36] <gord> picked up a bunch of them
[10:36] <BigRedS> I think I'm gonna buy a pair of those on payday
[10:36] <diplo> Same price as well :) really wish i bought 4
[10:37] <Laney> oh GOD why won't this wikilink work
[10:37] <BigRedS> wikilink?
[10:37] <BigRedS> oh, link in a wiki?
[10:37] <Laney> correct
[10:38] <BigRedS> if it's mediawiki post it up and I'll see if I can see what's up. But normally they're pretty simple...
[10:38] <Laney> it is ikiwiki
[10:39] <popey> yay, ordered
[10:39] <davmor2> Laney: to annoy you
[10:40] <Laney> it is definitely managing that
[10:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: can you email ren with an email with the suggestion you made for the repeater please, pretty sure you'll state it better than I will
[10:41] <bigcalm> davmor2: sure, send me her address when you have time
[10:41] <Laney> fixed it...
[10:41] <Laney> -An exciting update on my [previous post](../passport). I found it this morning.
[10:41] <Laney> +An exciting update on my [[previous post|passport]]. I found it this morning.
[10:42] <Laney> yeah I was using the wrong syntax.
[10:43] <BigRedS> aha!
[10:44] <BigRedS> markdown ftw generally, though
[10:45] <Laney> quite
[10:46] <Laney> http://paste.debian.net/163936/ only took a few tries
[10:47] <BigRedS> haha
[11:19] <syruss> does anyone know what that diy electronics project/usb kit thing is called?
[11:19] <syruss> geek kit or something
[11:20] <syruss> it's a usb i/o interface for making leds flash, wiring up lcd displays etc aimed at beginner-ish electronics hobbyists and young adults
[11:21] <syruss> comes with some C code etc to get started
[11:21] <syruss> and also python stuff I think
[11:21] <syruss> ahhh nerdkits
[11:21] <syruss> got it
[11:21] <syruss> :)
[11:28] <czajkowski> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17784585 oh could be interesting to see a mozilla phone
[12:05] <BigRedS> anyone else find that anything copied out of the address bar of firefox has 'http://' prepended to it and a '/' appended?
[12:31] <Myrtti> derp. http://imgur.com/ZQanB :-D
[12:52] <ali1234> whut
[12:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Myrtti: I got that too :-)
[12:53] <ali1234> should i not update today then?
[12:57] <Myrtti> ali1234: it was only about flashplayer-nonfree
[12:57] <Myrtti> which still seems to work a-ok
[13:16] <syruss> can anyone recommend a simple gnome dvb-t viewing app?
[13:17] <syruss> tvtime was the last time I did anything like this
[13:17] <syruss> :p
[13:18] <davmor2> syruss: type in dvb-t in software-center  there are a few including a totem plugin (not sure how well that works though) tvtime is still about though
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> the totem (gnome-dvb) bits are a bit crashy
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> at least with my DVB stick
[13:19] <syruss> cool, ta
[13:20] <syruss> dunno if tvtime does dvb..
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> no
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> vlc does
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> but crappily
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> I use w_scan to generate the channel list
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> and mplayer to watch
[13:31] <syruss> hmm
[13:32] <syruss> well me-tv doesn't work at all
[13:32] <syruss> sort of
[13:32] <syruss> hmm
[14:11]  * SuperEngineer notices rom topic that diplo  is still eating baby goats
[14:11] <SuperEngineer> *from
[14:12] <diplo> Nah, my children :)
[14:13] <diplo> So, 12.04... the app bar showing on both screens on dual set up
[14:13] <diplo> Normal behaviour ?
[14:14] <SuperEngineer> wot - the app bar or the kids?
[14:14] <diplo> app bar :)
[14:16] <SuperEngineer> hmm - only comparison I have is on screen - with compiz expo activated [assuming you mean the launcher?] - the launcher is one big bar down side even though all 4 workspaces shown
[14:17] <SuperEngineer> darn! no more kiddie eating for you diplo
[14:17] <Mez> Well... I didn't realise it was release day.
[14:17]  * Mez fails
[14:17] <diplo> 26th isn't it ?
[14:18] <Mez> oh wow - I'm even failing.
[14:18]  * Mez headwalls
[14:18] <Mez> wake me up
[14:19] <agoodm> diplo, you can choose the desired bevaviour in the display setup
[14:20] <bigcalm> The Britannia Adelphi has no hold music
[14:20] <bigcalm> It's most strange
[14:20] <agoodm> surprising for such a bigplace
[14:21] <agoodm> mind you most phone systems only include rubbish hold music
[14:21] <bigcalm> Call now dropped
[14:21] <bigcalm> Blah
[14:21] <agoodm> and most phone systems have support for line level moh input, however most moh players are crap and reliable/good ones are expensive
[14:21] <bigcalm> Will try again later
[14:22] <diplo> Cheers agoodm
[14:22] <agoodm> diplo, my pleasure
[14:43] <JohnRobert> hmm
[14:45] <JohnRobert> anyone know where the dvb transmitter files such as uk-Crystalpalace are in 12.04?
[14:46] <JohnRobert> the files don't seem to be there any more
[14:50] <directhex> JohnRobert, were they ever useful? as compared to scanning yourself?
[14:51] <popey> JohnRobert: dvb-utils
[14:51] <popey>    /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/uk-CrystalPalace
[14:56] <selinuxium> Got this when trying to initialise for the first time.... http://pastebin.com/zM3Qxf90
[14:57] <selinuxium> Anyway... that isn't actually the real question! :)
[14:57] <selinuxium> Can I use Talend to transform a flat text file into data using an overlay..
[14:58] <JohnRobert> cwell turns out my dvb-t thing isn't supported
[14:58] <selinuxium>  Anyway... that isn't actually the real question! :)
[14:58] <selinuxium>  Can I use Talend to transform a flat text file into data using an overlay..
[14:59] <selinuxium> Grr...
[15:12] <davmor2> JohnRobert: do you see the jockey logo in the indicator bar saying there are drivers to install?  normally if it knows about the hw and needs a driver that will trigger
[15:18]  * bigcalm hisses at jockey
[15:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: a nice fresh install is what you need dude done by gord so he can fix it as he goes ;)
[15:23] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:24] <bigcalm> Doesn't take long to re-set-up a system, so a re-install might be on the cards next weekend or so
[15:25] <Myrtti> nice - flash broke and I can't play Settlers Online anymore :-|
[15:25] <popey> new disks should be here tomorrow
[15:25] <popey> now to plan how to raid them
[15:25] <popey> 8 in one server, 4 in the other
[15:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: that might fix the issue you were having with that workbench app not showing up too
[15:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: maybe so
[15:52] <diplo> I see the dual  monitor support still isn't great
[15:52] <diplo> :/
[15:52]  * diplo trys freshly tomorrow
[15:52] <diplo> Hmm monday would be better
[15:55] <davmor2> http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0808/the-eighties-nostalgia-humor-80s-demotivational-poster-1219688830.jpg how many can you name ?
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> too many
[16:02] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I got 26 and I think there are 30
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> exactly. Too many.
[16:07] <BigRedS> whoop! I'm in london for the release do
[16:13] <bigcalm> Lucky you
[16:13] <popey> yay
[16:13] <popey> also, we're hiring!
[16:14] <davmor2> I'm not I think I'll still be testing stuff
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: again?
[16:14] <popey> https://t.co/eC0w6Dod
[16:14] <popey> yup
[16:14] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: always
[16:14] <popey> stupid twitter
[16:14] <popey> https://plus.google.com/109365858706205035322/posts/b98QuF4rCZ8
[16:14] <popey> gonna be loads more roles coming up over the next few months
[16:14] <popey> crazy amounts of work
[16:16] <BigRedS> I swear Canonical's aiming to get to the point where everyone I know works at canonical
[16:17]  * bigcalm eyes the web-dev role
[16:17] <BigRedS> I even found a distant family member who works for Canonical a few months back
[16:17] <bigcalm> Would be nice to know how much was being offered
[16:32] <davmor2> popey: tell me about it :D
[16:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: they never do
[16:39] <bigcalm> Attack of the clones
[18:03] <daftykins> bug 562640
[18:03] <daftykins> only 2 years on and there's some movement!
[18:12] <davmor2> hmmmm tempting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZcEPLMALxY
[18:14] <JohnRobert> lol
[18:16] <davmor2> popey: could this be your next desktop ^
[18:16] <JohnRobert> shame about the music
[18:17] <daftykins> what a shockingly pants video
[18:17] <daftykins> with yep, nasty music
[18:17] <davmor2> JohnRobert: indeed
[18:17] <JohnRobert> I'm more interested in low powered fanless machines that are cheap
[18:17] <JohnRobert> if I were to get something like that I'd never use it to its full potential at all.. I mostly use..vim and emacs
[18:18] <JohnRobert> I'd maybe try a game for about 5 mins
[18:18] <JohnRobert> getting old :/
[18:18] <JohnRobert> I remember when stuff like that excited me
[18:18] <JohnRobert> :p
[18:18] <daftykins> hardwares too good now really
[18:19] <daftykins> if i upgraded to Ivy Bridge when they're out, i'd be going from a Q6600 on LGA775
[18:19] <daftykins> be hardly any point
[18:19] <daftykins> going to that from an Athlon XP... now that felt different
[18:29] <daftykins> but yeah hardware = yawn these days
[18:29] <daftykins> i like putting it together for others though - all the Christmas morning feeling with no spending!
[18:33] <jacobw> evening
[18:36] <JohnRobert> I
[18:36] <JohnRobert> I'm going to maybe build my dad an ivybridge machine
[18:37] <JohnRobert> as him and his wife are into video editing birds and stuff they see in the forest
[18:37] <JohnRobert> could be quite fun... shame it's windows though
[18:37] <daftykins> ah right
[18:37] <daftykins> tut tut :P
[18:37] <JohnRobert> are there any good vid editing tools in linux yet?
[18:37] <jacobw> yes
[18:37] <daftykins> doubt anyone'd agree if there were
[18:38] <JohnRobert> it's a shame there's nothing of the 'blender' like calibre last time I looked
[18:38] <JohnRobert> without the quotes
[18:39] <jacobw> i think openshot is the most used package
[18:39] <JohnRobert> it's a real shame this chan is logged :/
[18:40] <JohnRobert> like when you say something you regret saying on the wrong channel by accident
[18:40] <jacobw> i'm quite happy with this channel being logged
[18:40] <JohnRobert> I was
[18:41] <JohnRobert> well I guess I still am
[18:43] <ali1234> JohnRobert: nuke, but it is commercial
[18:45] <ali1234> http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/products/nuke/
[18:46] <JohnRobert> lol, first image that comes up is from tron 3d
[18:46] <JohnRobert> makes me think it might be a bit more than they need
[18:46] <JohnRobert> :p
[18:46] <ali1234> cinelerra is ok, if you can get it to work
[18:47] <popey> davmor2: wow
[18:47] <davmor2> popey: I bet that would run themehospital :D
[18:50] <ali1234> rhythmbox automatically knows as soon as you copy music into the music folder
[18:50] <popey> hah
[18:50] <ali1234> that never worked in banshee...
[18:51] <davmor2> ali1234: that's cause RB rocks
[18:51] <jacobw> inotify?
[18:51] <ali1234> it also knows as soon as you delete stuff
[18:51] <ali1234> yeah probably inotify... i don't really care how it works, i just like that it works :)
[18:51] <jacobw> i've been finding banshee unsatisfactory since version 0.11
[18:52] <davmor2> ali1234: more importantly it knows what track is play in an ogg radio station unlike banshee
[18:52] <ali1234> only thing banshee had going for it was the album view that shows covers (and fetches covers automatically)
[18:52] <ali1234> and the automatic metadata fixing was good too
[18:52] <daftykins> i always found something not to like about both
[18:54] <gordonjcp> ali1234: the not deleting files it can't play thing is good, compared to rhythmbox
[18:55] <ali1234> yeah but with banshee if you go and delete those files from disk they stay in the library, which sucks
[18:55] <ali1234> if you have two copies of an album the tracks are interleaved and you have to manually delete each track
[18:55] <popey> the problem is that if you have music in another folder you can't import (and copy) the files using rb
[18:55] <popey> you can with banshee
[18:55] <ali1234> with rythmbox you just go and delete one of the directories with nautilus and it is gone
[18:56] <ali1234> yeah with rhythmbox you don't have to import music that way
[18:56] <davmor2> popey: you can it's the import option in the menu
[18:56] <ali1234> just copy the music with nautilus
[18:56] <ali1234> and it appears in rhythmbox
[18:56] <ali1234> that means you can use tools designed for copying files for copying files
[18:57] <ali1234> and tools designed for playing music for playing music
[18:57] <ali1234> instead of having to use the tool for playing music to copy the files
[18:57] <popey> davmor2: no, it isnt
[18:57] <popey> i have a folder full of mp3s
[18:58] <popey> if I import to rb, it leaves them where they are
[18:58] <popey> it doesn't move/copy them to ~/Music
[18:58] <ali1234> that's what it should do
[18:58] <popey> which I want it to do
[18:58] <ali1234> if you want to move or copy them, use nautilus
[18:58] <popey> nah, it should be optional like banshee
[18:58] <ali1234> no it shouldn't
[18:58] <ali1234> it should not exist as an option
[18:58] <popey> ok, i dont care what you think, i want this
[18:58] <popey> and banshee does it
[18:58] <popey> so i have used that
[18:58] <ali1234> copying the files in nautilus automaticaly imports them anyway
[18:58] <davmor2> popey: ah sorry I thought that was what you were getting at my bag
[18:58] <popey> not the way i want
[18:59] <popey> the folder is full of mp3s, I want them in separate folders ~/Music/band name/album name/track.mp3
[18:59] <popey> and banshee will do that (optionally) for me, rb wont
[18:59] <ali1234> that whole copy on import was really dumb
[18:59] <popey> it was off by default
[18:59] <ali1234> if i just want to play the music on an external drive i don't want to wait 8 hours for it to copy all 500GB of it
[19:00] <ali1234> if i do want to copy it then i'll use the file manager because that's what it is for
[19:00] <davmor2> popey: ah I'm pretty sure there was a plugin that did better organising but I might of been dreaming
[19:00] <davmor2> popey: that or mixing banshee's plugins and RB's
[19:00] <daftykins> i seem to remember a player having copy on import on as default
[19:00] <ali1234> also, it wasn't off by default originally
[19:01] <daftykins> ^
[19:01] <daftykins> however arguing that an option shouldn't be present is unproductive, if you don't use it you don't use it
[19:01] <ali1234> ha
[19:02] <ali1234> so when we going to get the option for launcher dodge back then?
[19:02] <daftykins> what's more relevant is Guernsey getting given US keyboard layouts! GOD DAMN IT!
[19:03] <daftykins> ah yes i was gonna confirm that with a VM
[19:03] <daftykins> time to download Precise desktop beta 2 to Guernsey
[19:03] <daftykins> \o/
[19:03] <davmor2> ali1234: popey: Album art fetcher and file organizing http://live.gnome.org/RhythmboxPlugins/ThirdParty
[19:03] <ali1234> yeah but does it actually display it?
[19:04] <ali1234> http://banshee-media-player.2283330.n4.nabble.com/file/n4269338/Screenshot-Banshee_Media_Player-1.png
[19:08] <gordonjcp> does anyone in here use tcpreplay, and if they do would you care to take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tcpreplay/+bug/971990
[20:26] <ali1234> Azelphur: yer website's broken
[20:26] <Azelphur> which one
[20:26] <ali1234> azelphur.com
[20:26] <Azelphur> ah, I moved to blog.azelphur.com
[20:26] <Azelphur> I should probably redirect azelphur.com to it
[20:26] <ali1234> at least put some adverts on it or something
[20:27] <Azelphur> haha
[20:39] <jacobw> what does one use if one does not use wordpress?
[20:41] <ali1234> drupal
[20:41] <ali1234> but wordpress is miles better
[20:41] <Azelphur> if by better you mean worse
[20:41]  * Azelphur runs
[20:41] <ali1234> by better i mean "supports the ability to put images on your webpage"
[20:41] <jacobw> i'll learn django one day
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> http://www.myspace.com/djangotime !
[20:43] <jacobw> ah, yes :)
[20:43] <jacobw> btw, i still hate perl
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: But Perl loves you
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: We're going to do a project in python at work!
[20:44] <jacobw> \o/
[20:46] <JohnRobert> I'm writing a plugin for wordpress right now
[20:46] <JohnRobert> wp is alright
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: poor you
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> uihr
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> JohnRobert: poor you
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> it's php
[20:46] <JohnRobert> nothing wrong with php
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> JohnRobert: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
[20:47] <JohnRobert> lol
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> Nothing funny about that page :(
[20:48] <JohnRobert> sounds like your nitpicking
[20:48] <JohnRobert> :p
[20:48] <JohnRobert> sure it's scrappy
[20:48] <JohnRobert> but it does the job
[20:48] <jacobw> crackers love php
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> until you need to maintain your code a few months from now, because the PHP people decided to throw out a language feature without warning
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> or add one named just like your function
[20:50] <JohnRobert> wow
[20:50] <JohnRobert> that is a big article
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> Exactly :)
[20:50] <JohnRobert> I've been coding php for about...too long
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> never too soon to learn python ;)
[20:50] <JohnRobert> I know a bit of python, I've dabbled
[20:51] <JohnRobert> ultimately it's probably harder for me to be a web developer if I'm a python programmer
[20:51] <JohnRobert> your blog argument seems to be based on the ideal world rather than the real world.
[20:52] <gordonjcp> JohnRobert: how so (re python making it hard to be a web dev)
[20:52] <JohnRobert> in an ideal world, I'd stop what I'm doing right now and carefully plan my project out with pencil and paper, learn a more robust language etc etc
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: because you have to think before you type ;)
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: and thinking is HARD :P
[20:52] <JohnRobert> well for a start, when my client asks me to write her a wordpress plugin it's going to be harder in python.
[20:52] <JohnRobert> especially seeing as she wants it to run on her webserver
[20:52] <gordonjcp> JohnRobert: well that's just being stupid
[20:52] <gordonjcp> of *course* it is
[20:52] <JohnRobert> why?
[20:53] <gordonjcp> that's like my client asking me to make her a cylinder head gasket out of bread
[20:53] <hamitron> isn't it better harder?
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: that's what SHE said.
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> *cough*
[20:53] <hamitron> hang on, I didnt mean that
[20:53] <hamitron> >:|
[20:53] <gordonjcp> I make really really good bread, but it's totally unsuitable for high-compression high-temperature environments
[20:53] <hamitron> if it is harder.... it is harder for them to replace you ;)
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: ah the job security argument :)
[20:54] <JohnRobert> put it this way, would it make sense for me to stop what I'm doing.. learn python, learn to find work with python etc..etc..
[20:54] <gordonjcp> JohnRobert: it depends
[20:54] <JohnRobert> maybe become homeless in the process
[20:54] <jacobw> its not mutually exclusive
[20:55] <JohnRobert> there are a lot more php jobs than python
[20:55] <JohnRobert> etc
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> Most people only need one job :)
[20:55] <JohnRobert> your argument certainly holds weight for hobbyists though
[20:55] <gordonjcp> JohnRobert: if you're freelancing and the customer could not be persuaded with a big stick to care about what you use to construct the site, then you may find that Python works better for you
[20:55] <JohnRobert> I like python
[20:55] <gordonjcp> certainly one of the big uberframeworks like Django will take a hell of a lot of the work out of it
[20:56] <JohnRobert> I wrote something to scrape a site once with beautiful soup and python once
[20:56] <JohnRobert> was fun
[20:56] <JohnRobert> and pleasing
[20:56] <gordonjcp> flask is nice
[20:56] <ali1234> making a plugin for wordpress really is extremely easy
[20:56] <ali1234> much easier than writing a django module
[20:56] <daftykins> hmm, i wonder if i should avoid sleeping in this freshly painted room tonight... (only one wall painted mind!)
[20:56] <ali1234> i love python and hate php but it is still easier
[20:59] <gordonjcp> daftykins: I just sprayed a lot of my bedroom wall with mould killer, having found mould growing under the wallpaper
[20:59] <gordonjcp> so, that's me sleeping either in the living room or the studio
[20:59] <daftykins> yeah that stuff can be strong
[20:59] <gordonjcp> ali1234: I don't think it's easier to write a wordpress plugin than a django app
[20:59] <gordonjcp> but <shrug>
[21:00] <ali1234> oh it really is
[21:00] <gordonjcp> I've written more django apps than wp plugins, so maybe it's down to experience
[21:00] <ali1234> i've written two django apps and one wp plugin
[21:00] <gordonjcp> well, for one thing, the wp plugin is in php
[21:00] <gordonjcp> which isn't really human-readable
[21:00] <ali1234> i agree
[21:00] <ali1234> but yo can work around that
[21:01] <ali1234> if you split your code out using semi-MVC style
[21:01] <ali1234> django needs way more boilerplate than it should for a python app
[21:02] <gordonjcp> not sure what you mean, there
[21:02] <ali1234> but a django app is a lot more than a plugin
[21:02] <ali1234> i mean a wp plugin extends wordpress
[21:03] <ali1234> with django there is nothing to extend, you are starting from scratch when it comes to user facing stuff
[21:03] <ali1234> you can't really compare them
[21:04] <ali1234> if you want a standard blog with some custom feature you will get it a lot easier from wordpress
[21:04] <ali1234> but if you want a totally custom site then django will be easier
[21:06] <gordonjcp> well yeah, django is a framework
[21:06] <gordonjcp> it is more like cakephp than wordpress
[21:06] <ali1234> wordpress offers a framework too
[21:06] <gordonjcp> I guess wordpress would be more like mezzanine
[21:07] <ali1234> but it is a framework centered around blogs rather than completely generic
[21:14] <czajkowski> https://plus.google.com/111104121194250082892/posts/D2feRNc6R4d intersting read
[21:15] <AlanBell> so is this https://plus.google.com/u/0/109365858706205035322/posts/FDBTM3JPKT8
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> LOLpopey
[21:16] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I didn't really understand that patch thing very much (I can see Alan Cox isn't that impressed)
[21:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ROFLOL
[21:17] <daftykins> he's not happy with his mapaint shades
[21:17] <daftykins> *mspaint
[21:18] <DJones> AlanBell: Wierdest thing, as I clicked on that link, guess which advert came on the tv
[21:18] <AlanBell> was it epic?
[21:18] <daftykins> toilet duck
[21:18] <DJones> It was definately an epic advert, much better than the gocompare ad's
[21:19] <ali1234> are those shades photoshopped on?
[21:20] <AlanBell> what shades?
[21:21] <ali1234> on alan cox's profile picture
[21:21] <AlanBell> well I seriously doubt that photoshop had anything to do with it
[21:22] <ali1234> well clearly, photoshop would have done a much better job of it
[21:22] <ali1234> someone call the seams police
[21:22]  * hamitron worries why guys in here are looking at profile pictures of such people
[21:22] <daftykins> see where i said 'mspaint'
[21:22] <daftykins> hamitron: you don't find him hawt?
[21:22] <daftykins> :P
[21:22] <hamitron> ;)
[21:23] <daftykins> brb moving stuff downstairs, decided working away in a recently painted room is probably bad for my health
[21:29] <daftykins> kinda handy having an empty 4 bed place to move around in XD
[21:33] <daftykins> wow, tough crowd
[21:34] <DJones> Heh
[22:42] <dogmatic69> whats the chances of running diablo III on ubuntu 12?
[22:44] <hamitron> does it run on wine?
[22:44] <hamitron> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=13484
[22:45] <hamitron> looking good
[22:54] <dogmatic69> :O
[22:54] <dogmatic69> if is good \o/