[00:56] <greg-g> hello from Gatlinburg, TN
[00:56] <greg-g> rick_h: funeral for Carrie's g-pa
[01:27] <rick_h> greg-g: ah, gotcha
[01:27] <rick_h> so the moving was a joke then?
[01:27] <rick_h> and condolences
[01:48] <snap-l> greg-g: Sorry to hear about your family's loss
[02:05] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/8857/cat-covers-despised-icon-on-drums
[02:07] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/8845/kids-cover-rammstein
[12:07] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:09] <brousch> yessir
[12:16] <rick_h> party
[12:16] <rick_h> TGIF, man this week blew past
[12:33] <brousch> no kidding
[13:00] <brousch> i am really pumped about my talk monday. i have way too much actual content
[13:01] <rick_h> awesome!
[13:01] <rick_h> oh crap, next weekend is my talk. I've got to stop coding and get more talk writing done :/
[13:01] <rick_h> but hacking is the fun part!
[13:01] <brousch> yeah
[13:01] <brousch> putting slides together isn't vry fun
[13:02] <brousch> which is probably why i get bored and stick crap into them
[13:02] <rick_h> lol
[13:02] <brousch> i only have 1 lolcat in this talk
[13:04] <brousch> it might be offensive to old people, so i may remove it
[13:06] <brousch> i just realized i am twice as old as some of the people who will be there. they will consider me old
[13:12] <snap-l> Yes, yes they will
[13:12] <snap-l> You need to create a new meme
[13:12] <snap-l> geriatricats
[13:15] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/crabby-old-man-kitteh.jpg
[13:16] <brousch> i was going to use this one until i realized the irony http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/OldPeople.png
[13:26] <snap-l> brousch: Heh
[14:09] <brousch> this video hurts my ears :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqYdwJ-DTGo&feature=digest_thu
[14:10] <brousch> someone needs to buy gib a nice camera
[14:11] <rick_h> that would only encourage him
[14:11] <brousch> and a tripod
[14:12] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, it clips way too much
[14:13] <snap-l> Also, I need a treadmill
[14:14] <rick_h> treadmill's suck...eliptical ftw
[14:14] <rick_h> but biking >
[14:14] <rick_h> ordered a bike jersey today so I light up like a candle while riding
[14:15] <rick_h> and people driving need to get off the @#$@# phones. It's crazy
[14:15] <brousch> pedal-powered lights?
[14:15] <rick_h> heh no, just bright yellow
[14:19] <brousch> you could add LEDs and a generator that works by flapping your upper arms
[14:34] <brousch> this made me lol, but lots of F-bombs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ7QsEytQq4
[14:35] <brousch> slow-mo robot is the best
[14:51] <greg-g> rick_h: yeah, and I may have to take that back ("me moving to knoxville") while the music is still awesome, and the airport is better than most, the number of confderate flags has surpassed any reasonable limit for free speech :)
[14:52] <jrwren> i have friends who lived in memphis and couldn't stand the segregation and so moved back north.
[14:53] <jrwren> now that I know greg-g thinks there sholud be reasonable limits on free speech, I shall give him dirty looks and shake my fist at him until I surpass the limit
[14:56] <greg-g> jrwren: :P
[14:58] <greg-g> I'm actually still on the fence vis a vis US style free speech vs eg: Germany free speech (where hate speech is heavily ... scruitinized? prevented in public places? something, not sure of the exact law)
[15:07] <brousch> greg-g: only a fascist would suppress hate speech
[15:10] <ColonelPanic001> hate speech is a symptom more than a problem
[15:11] <ColonelPanic001> banning it is a bit like putting a bandaid on a chest would hoping it'll re-inflate the lung
[15:11] <ColonelPanic001> s/would/wound/g
[15:12] <jrwren> it just festers behind closed doors instead of in public
[15:12] <jrwren> in the us we know what the skin heads are saying
[15:12] <jrwren> in germany they had a reasonably large neonazi movement
[15:14] <jrwren> USA is the greatest country in teh world! FREE SPEECH! USA USA USA! USA USA USA!
[15:16] <ColonelPanic001> what jrwern said, too
[15:17] <ColonelPanic001> it's like the boss coming by a work room and everyone shuts up. Him not hearing it doesn't mean they don't complain about him
[15:22] <snap-l> greg-g: It's like belleville, but far worse
[15:24] <snap-l> And I hope that racism naturally dies off, just like any sufficiently innoculated disease
[15:25] <jrwren> belleville? hardly
[15:27] <snap-l> jrwren: All I know is that my theory about Walmart having only a handful of stores, and each store being a portal to somewhere in the south germinated in Belleville.
[15:28] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[15:30] <jrwren> lol
[15:30] <jrwren> but AK is friendly south
[15:31] <snap-l> That and the Feral children that are left in the store get adopted as part of some cashier / worker traning program
[15:32] <brousch> hey, i used to work at walmart!
[15:32] <snap-l> brousch: That's unpossible
[15:32] <jrwren> i always knew tehre was something wrong with taht guy.
[15:32] <jrwren> :p
[15:32] <snap-l> brousch: I thought there was some GR law about requiring everyone to work at Meijer
[15:33] <brousch> in the garden department, but i spent more time cleaning up wayward pogs in the toy department than lugging plants for old ladies
[15:33] <jrwren> lol @ pogs
[15:34] <brousch> fucking pogs
[15:35] <snap-l> brousch: Hah, I worked at Pet and Garden at Meijer one summer
[15:35] <snap-l> Hated people asking me about the differnet plants
[15:36] <snap-l> "I can make any bush a burning bush if you give me a lighter"
[15:37] <brousch> at walmart people just assumed the employees were clueless
[15:38] <snap-l> brousch: Some trips I don't think it was an assumption
[15:38] <brousch> i didn't say they were wrong
[15:42] <rick_h> if it wasn't friday...I might need to go find a bridge to jump from
[15:42] <rick_h> let me just say, you guys never want to know how the bug crap you use for ubuntu in LP actually works...never
[15:42] <snap-l> There are three in Michigan
[15:42] <brousch> it's kind of cold out to go swimming
[15:43]  * rick_h goes to order more whiteboards...3 insn't enough to fit it together
[15:43] <snap-l> Macinack, Ambassador, and whatever's in Port Huron
[15:43] <brousch> need some fine-tip markers
[15:44] <snap-l> rick_h: I saw how Idea Torrent worked. I have an idea it requires duck tape, rubber bands, wires, paper clips, and a female gerbil.
[15:44] <rick_h> lol
[15:44] <rick_h> something like that
[15:46] <snap-l> OK, this is just insane: http://addyosmani.github.com/todomvc/labs/
[15:47] <rick_h> woot! yui on there
[15:55] <jrwren> i dont get it
[16:03] <rick_h> don't get what?
[16:05] <jrwren> todomvc
[16:07] <snap-l> jrwren: Because every five seconds another developer pushes out another MVC framework for Javascript, and we need a site to see which ones might actually be usable.
[16:07] <snap-l> jrwren: And we know that the benchmark for usability is a todo application
[16:07] <snap-l> much like the car to beat at a drag race is a Honda Civic.
[16:08] <snap-l> With a muffler the size of a 55 gallon drum
[16:09] <rick_h> yea, it's the new 'write a wiki/blog in our web framework'
[16:10] <rick_h> for client side MCV it's todo lists
[16:11] <jrwren> i see
[16:15] <rick_h> http://peternixey.com/post/21437829768/cook-something-or-get-out-of-the-kitchen <3 it!
[16:23] <jrwren> pretty great.
[16:23] <jrwren> turn kitchen into computer and you basically have the coders saying the same things to the non coders.
[16:24] <rick_h> yea, I think that was the point of hte article
[16:24] <rick_h> a rant on all the "I have a brilliant idea, I just need a co-founder tech guy to make it happen"
[16:47] <jrwren> zomg, i laugh at those.
[16:47] <jrwren> or wait... i actualy did one once.
[16:48] <jrwren> i never did see that 80k$ :)
[16:48] <rick_h> heh
[17:15] <snap-l> btw: Wordpress has a new security update
[17:17] <rick_h> ty for the heads up
[17:29] <brousch> http://priceonomics.com/e-readers/#kindle-index
[17:30] <brousch> i think Detroit is ahead of Grand Rapids mainly due to rick_h
[17:31] <rick_h> I do what I can
[17:45] <snap-l> I think TIm O'Reilly will be able to buy a small island nation because of rick_h and I
[17:47] <snap-l> Also,I have way too few Tiles records.
[17:47] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiles_(band)
[17:58] <rick_h> any of you guys going ignite again?
[17:58] <rick_h> widox: snap-l _stink_ etc?
[17:59] <rick_h> wife is curious about going again and seems like I missed that it's next week :/
[18:02] <snap-l> Not this time either.
[18:32] <brousch> i'm such an idiot. i've been pondering how to work with heroku and private info in git for a month or two now http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/heroku-git-repos.png
[18:32] <rick_h> huh?
[18:32] <brousch> like db passwords and such for heroku, how to keep it out of git
[18:33] <brousch> keep it out of the public repo, but still push it to heroku
[18:33] <rick_h> ah
[18:34] <brousch> so just set up another repo that pulls from the public but has private stuff in it. sync that to heroku
[18:34] <rick_h> yea, seen a few ways, s3 fetching, etc
[18:35] <brousch> this makes sense to me
[18:36] <snap-l> brousch: Or you could gpg encrypt it in a secure repo, then have some script on the heroku instance decrypt them and put them where they need to be
[18:36] <brousch> that sounds simple
[18:37] <snap-l> that sounded sarcastic. ;)
[18:37] <brousch> or just create a repo just for the purpose of deploying to heroku :P
[18:37] <rick_h> heh, a meta package
[18:37] <snap-l> brousch: THat way you're not keeping passwords in plaintext in a git repo
[18:38] <brousch> but the repo is only on my machine
[18:39] <snap-l> but it's deployed to your heroku instance
[18:39] <brousch> yes
[18:41] <snap-l> so if someone cracks your machine, they get access to your passwords on the heroku instance
[18:41] <brousch> if someone cracks my machine that is the least of my worries
[18:48] <jrwren> antoerh repo or another branch?
[18:54] <brousch> jrwren: a branch is probably sufficient, but i haven't used them so i would feel more secure using a repo
[18:55] <jrwren> o_O?
[18:55] <jrwren> poor brousch
[18:55] <rick_h> lol
[18:57] <jrwren> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5203320/passwords-in-git-tree-heroku-github  config vars, its a solved problem.
[18:57] <jrwren> https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/config-vars
[18:57] <jrwren> you should jump in that twitter conversation and tell people to stop being stupid :)
[18:58] <snap-l> jrwren: It's the Internet. Does anyone need a reason to stop being stupid?
[18:58] <jrwren> no
[20:20] <_stink_> rick_h: not this time
[20:32] <widox> rick_h: I was wanting to go, but also just realized myself that its next week
[20:45] <widox> a Wed. even
[23:13] <Blazeix> http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
[23:14] <rick_h> yea, there's a nice pic of a guy that made a double sided hammer based on that post
[23:15] <Blazeix> yeah, i think that's how i found it
[23:15] <Blazeix> but there are some amazing things in there,  like the behavior of chaining ternary operators
[23:15] <rick_h> http://www.flickr.com/photos/raindrift/sets/72157629492908038/
[23:22] <JonEdney> LOL awesome
[23:33] <brousch> php? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/grpug/zSbX6sQyZQ4/nJmjok6rpE0J