[05:44] <magespawn> Morning all
[06:00] <Kilos> morning all
[06:00] <magespawn> morning Kilos
[06:15] <Squirm> morning
[06:17] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:25] <Kilos> bbl morning superfly 
[06:28] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:28] <Kilos> aw we lost a buntu guy
[06:28] <Kilos> just saw in the list he says goodbye
[06:29] <magespawn> hi superfly
[06:30] <Squirm> I want to setup my fedora box as a gateway. I have p4p1 connected to the internet and p2p1 connected to the local network. any ideas?
[06:31] <magespawn> Kilos not sure I understand?
[06:31] <Kilos> he hates unity
[06:31] <Kilos> gone to mint
[06:31] <Kilos> thats sad
[06:35] <magespawn> not sure why people just do not install the desktop the want
[06:36] <Squirm> magespawn: not many people know they can
[06:36] <Kilos> if you havent got bandwidth to add ubuntu-desktop is another 148m data you have to find
[06:36] <Squirm> well, should I rather say. it doesn't cross peoples minds
[06:37] <Squirm> Kilos: but to install Mint is another 700mb
[06:37] <Squirm> (the cd version)
[06:37] <Kilos> like i have xubuntu on one drive  but data doesnt allow the move to gnome
[06:37] <magespawn> I do not mind unity, but i use it on one, kde on another and gnome on the old laptop
[06:39] <Kilos> Squirm, he doesnt like unity. dunno if data is his prob
[06:40] <Squirm> I preferred Gnome 2
[06:40] <Squirm> using gnome 3 now
[06:41] <Squirm> and a DE that I put together myself on my home pc
[06:41] <Squirm> pekwm, pcmanfm, tint2
[06:42] <superfly> hi magespawn
[06:42] <Kilos> i just dont like the idea of losing peeps from ubuntu 
[06:43] <magespawn> as long as they do not go to windows, i might have to track them down if they do that
[06:43] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[06:43] <superfly> Squirm: p4p1 and p2p1? what's that?
[06:44] <Squirm> the names on the nic's
[06:45] <superfly> instead of eth0 and eth1 ?
[06:45] <Squirm> idk, fedora seems to have changed from eth0 to p4p1 and eth1 to p2p1
[06:45] <Squirm> yep
[06:45] <superfly> oh, ok
[06:45] <magespawn> Space flights if you have 200 000 dollars no launch date http://gadget.tech.howzit.msn.com/pebble.asp?relid=4558&p=4&Virgin%20Galactic%20coming%20to%20SA
[06:45]  * Squirm shrugs
[06:45] <superfly> Squirm: do you have an ADSL router?
[06:46] <Squirm> that fedora box has a static IP
[06:47] <superfly> OK
[06:47] <superfly> Squirm: well, just install one of the firewall packages, and then set up DHCP
[06:49] <Squirm> DHCP is already setup on another machine
[06:49] <Squirm> s/machine/server
[06:49] <superfly> -_-
[06:50] <Kilos> later
[06:50] <Squirm> bye Kilos
[06:50] <Squirm> :P
[06:50] <Squirm> superfly: it's at work
[06:51] <Squirm> we're running a squid proxy(so we can limit and monitor users). but devices like Android phones and stuff, aren't able to work with squid authentication
[06:51] <superfly> Squirm: where's your DNS server?
[06:52] <Squirm> so what we want to do, is setup a default gateway for certain devices(certain phones, tablets, etc) until we find a more definitive solution
[06:52] <Squirm> with the dhcp server, we're able to manually set the gateway of select devices
[06:53] <Squirm> chosen a randome gateway address
[06:53] <superfly> restricting internet is stupid.
[06:53] <Squirm> superfly: not when you have 700 odd users who have access to a 4mb line
[06:53] <superfly> that's also stupid
[06:56] <Squirm> I work at a school
[06:56] <Squirm> :P
[06:57] <Squirm> my old high school actually
[06:57] <superfly> dansguardian
[06:57] <Squirm> and to set up quota's?
[07:07] <magespawn> Squirm do quota's manage the cap or the amount of bandwidth?
[07:08] <magespawn> something like a load balancer?
[07:14] <Squirm> magespawn: we use a script called squish. it checks the squid logs to see how much the user has used and caps them if they have exceeded their allowed bandwidth
[07:15] <Squirm> well, it writes their usernames to file, which squid then denies access to users in that file
[07:15] <Squirm> and it works well
[07:15] <magespawn> i see that is pretty neat, is there a way to control the amount of line they use at once?
[07:16] <Squirm> I think squid can do that
[07:16] <Squirm> haven't used the feature though
[07:17] <Squirm> http://knowlinux.blogspot.com/2006/04/bandwidth-throttling-using-squid.html
[07:17] <Squirm> magespawn: something like that
[07:21] <magespawn> good to know, was thinking of setting up a wug/wifi here in hluhluwe and some ppl want internet access as well but need a way to control how much each uses. do not bit torrent ppl to hog the network
[07:22] <magespawn> want^
[07:26] <Squirm> wow, you're up theeeere
[07:27] <Squirm> have a friend who lives in mtuba
[07:33] <magespawn> yup there are people who live here, not many
[07:34] <magespawn> had to explain to sahara pc where i am,  and why my account is not that busy
[07:35] <Squirm> lol
[07:35] <Squirm> don't worry, I live 2 hours drive from Sahara
[07:35] <Squirm> :P
[07:35] <Squirm> although, you're probably 3?
[07:37] <magespawn> from Durban yup.
[07:41] <Squirm> yeah
[07:41] <Squirm> I'm about 1.5 hours nows, along the N3
[07:41] <Squirm> lovely Mooi RIver :/
[07:42] <magespawn> thats just around the corner, almost
[07:43] <Squirm> still a few hours
[07:43] <Squirm> was actually in Zinkwazi last week
[07:46] <magespawn> and?
[07:47] <magespawn> did you like it?
[08:23] <Squirm> yeah. I have a friend that lives there
[08:23] <Squirm> been there many times
[10:29] <magespawn> sorry shop got busy
[12:31] <zeref> o0o0
[12:32] <zeref> anybody running ubuntu 12.04?
[12:43] <AlphaGuyy> Good Aftrnoon
[12:52] <zeref> hi AlphaGuyy 
[12:52] <AlphaGuyy> Hey. I have a question 
[12:53] <AlphaGuyy> Is it posible to partition a drv without formatn
[12:54] <zeref> yes
[12:54] <AlphaGuyy> Im using 9.04 live cd
[12:55] <zeref> yep
[12:56] <AlphaGuyy> How do i do it 
[12:56] <AlphaGuyy> Without losing xsisting data
[12:57] <superfly> surely one of the *parted tools should be able to do so
[12:58] <AlphaGuyy> Im usn partition editor
[13:00] <zeref> ummmm
[13:00] <zeref> wait one
[13:02] <zeref> right click on the drive you want to partition
[13:02] <zeref> new
[13:02] <zeref> then choose the size etc that you want
[13:07] <AlphaGuyy> The options are greyd.
[13:08] <AlphaGuyy> Drv is ntfs 40gigs unused.
[13:10] <AlphaGuyy> Brb
[13:15] <zeref> umm, unmount that drive
[13:32] <AlphaGuyy> Ok. Then resize.
[13:32] <AlphaGuyy> Wil this affect the data.
[13:33] <zeref> nope, but you said that the 40GB was unused?
[13:33] <Owkkuri> AlphaGuyy: just note, resizing a drive takes *forever*
[13:36] <AlphaGuyy> Its an 80gig. Wth 35.gig usd.
[13:57] <AlphaGuyy> Forever undrstatement
[14:00] <zeref> lol
[14:02] <AlphaGuyy> Move /dev/sda1 to the right and shrink it from 74.56gib to 45.19gib
[14:07] <zeref> whats left should be empty. then you resize that.
[14:07] <zeref> before you apply the chnages look at the preview bar on how it will look
[14:52] <nic0m> hi
[14:53] <zeref> herro
[14:55] <nic0m> hi
[14:57] <ghostknife> hallo
[14:57] <nic0m> Thanks for your help now I can xchat here
[14:57] <nic0m> will this work on my micotik
[14:59] <nic0m> bibi
[15:26]  * nuvolari gluur vir ghostknife
[15:26] <nuvolari> pfft, ek word mos geignoreer soos 'n oranje verkeerslig :P
[16:12] <Banlam> what was wrong with nic0m's xchat in the end?
[16:14] <nlsthzn> open proxy
[16:41] <zeref> hmmm
[17:26] <superfly> .
[17:27] <nlsthzn> ..
[17:36] <Kilos> lo superfly and night shift nlsthzn and others too of course
[17:36] <nlsthzn> :) Hi uncle Ki
[17:37] <nlsthzn> :) Hi uncle Kilos 
[17:37] <nlsthzn> :/
[17:37] <Kilos> lol
[17:37] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:37] <Kilos> sick tab button?
[17:37] <nlsthzn> nah two nicks starting with ki
[17:38] <Kilos> any news on whether nicom god his router sourted?
[17:38] <Kilos> wow nlsthzn whats the other one
[17:38] <Kilos> *got
[17:38] <Kilos> *sorted
[17:38] <Kilos> whew
[17:38] <MeepZA> hi Kilos
[17:38] <Kilos> hey MeepZA 
[17:39] <nlsthzn> Kirill_Rus <- Kilos 
[17:39] <Kilos> ah the russian
[17:39] <Kilos> shoulda got me first though
[17:40] <nlsthzn> when you tab with two or more it just gives me a list...
[17:40] <nlsthzn> then I should continue to add letters until unique
[17:41] <Kilos> lol kil
[17:41] <Kilos> i always use 3
[17:42] <Kilos> hi drussell all good there?
[17:43] <Kilos> wb dLimit 
[17:44] <nlsthzn> bbl
[17:54] <drussell> Kilos: yes, was having a bit of a bad day but someone's cheered me up so I'm spreading the amusement... http://textsfromdog.tumblr.com
[17:54] <drussell> enjoy :o)
[17:54] <Kilos> lol
[17:54] <kbmonkey> heloo o/
[17:55] <Kilos> hiya the kbmonkey 
[17:57] <Kilos> kbmonkey, what is this http://www.facebook.com/l/KAQHbMmh_/www.google.com/onceuponatime/tisp/
[17:57] <zeref> gnome-shell, why you no wana load on ubuntu 12.04
[17:57] <zeref> :-(
[17:57] <Kilos> free mobile broadband. how they gonna get past voda and friends
[17:58] <Kilos> aw zeref what happened
[17:58] <kbmonkey> can't say kilos, not a fb'er 
[17:58] <MeepZA> zeref: I can't get it to load on 11.10 since adding a second monitor
[17:59] <Kilos> aw i forget it goes via fb from afrodeity
[17:59] <kbmonkey> what's potting?
[17:59]  * superfly is still living blissfully in KDE land
[17:59] <Kilos> lol
[17:59] <Kilos> was waiting for that
[18:00] <kbmonkey> you still have that KDE layout superfly?
[18:00] <kbmonkey> It is a good one
[18:01] <superfly> kbmonkey: which one?
[18:01] <zeref> so MeepZA, u using unity??
[18:01] <Kilos> http://www.google.com/onceuponatime/tisp/install.html
[18:02] <zeref> there was a suggestion to remove all unity files including any config files
[18:02] <kbmonkey> KDE made to resemble unity layout
[18:02] <MeepZA> zeref: can't stand unity
[18:02] <kbmonkey> or was that someone else who did that? 
[18:02] <MeepZA> using gnome fallback
[18:02] <kbmonkey> still loving Openbox <3
[18:03] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you still uncapped there?
[18:03] <zeref> gnome fallback is meh compared to gnome 2.3
[18:03] <kbmonkey> no Kilos :(
[18:04] <zeref> looks like i'll be scouting the WM world
[18:04] <kbmonkey> i cut my dsl off when i went to CT 
[18:04] <Kilos> ok we get someone else to look at the tisp link above
[18:04] <Kilos> maybe google has a plan
[18:05] <Kilos> something to do with google groups or something. there is even a youtube link according to maaz
[18:05] <kbmonkey> zeref, one can even use Compiz standalone for a WM :)
[18:06] <kbmonkey> why do you want to know about it Kilos ?
[18:06] <Kilos> in the mail it said free mobile broadband
[18:06] <kbmonkey> oooh
[18:07] <kbmonkey> hahaha oh that. yes I remember that. a new google product for freee broadband
[18:08] <Kilos> is it just a gimick
[18:08] <zeref> meh, was hell last night try to set compiz right with unity
[18:08] <Kilos> scam
[18:08] <kbmonkey> not a scam, a google april fools prank
[18:09] <kbmonkey> from the year before iirc
[18:09] <Kilos> geez its the 20th already
[18:09] <kbmonkey> they have such great pranks those guys
[18:09] <Kilos> swines
[18:09] <kbmonkey> no you wouldn't use unity zeref, just compiz
[18:09] <kbmonkey> why use both?
[18:11] <zeref> compiz is integrated into unity
[18:12] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:12] <kbmonkey> http://www.compiz.org/ says it can also be used as a window manager
[18:12] <kbmonkey> so you wouldn't need unity, gnome or kde
[18:12] <MeepZA> I need to set up xmoand properly
[18:12] <magespawn> Hi Kilos and company
[18:12] <kbmonkey> hi magespawn 
[18:13] <magespawn> Whats up tonight?
[18:13] <zeref> kbmonkey: hmmm
[18:13] <Kilos> nothing apart from unity gripes
[18:14] <kbmonkey> lol!
[18:15] <zeref> hmmm, since the updates unity is quicker now
[18:15] <magespawn> Does take some getting used to, but the linux desktops in general can alsmost anything you want.
[18:15] <zeref> but still want to have a look at gnome-shell
[18:16] <Kilos> min dae to 12.04 hey
[18:18] <Kilos> kbmonkey, hows things with you laddy?
[18:18] <Kilos> any success
[18:19] <kbmonkey> yes kilos, i got some work
[18:20] <Kilos> happy to hear that
[18:20] <Kilos> good for you
[18:20] <kbmonkey> implementing a new big system. 
[18:20] <Kilos> great
[18:20] <Kilos> all windows?
[18:20] <Kilos> eish
[18:20] <kbmonkey> it will be in windows platform sadly
[18:20]  * kbmonkey cringes
[18:20] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[18:20] <Kilos> eina
[18:20] <kbmonkey> but hey its work ;D
[18:20] <Kilos> win7
[18:21] <Kilos> yeah
[18:21] <kbmonkey> probably SBS 2011
[18:21] <kbmonkey> windows small business server
[18:22] <Kilos> ah
[18:22] <Kilos> here another free
[18:22] <Kilos> http://www.getfree.co.za/Free-ADSL-Internet/
[18:22] <kbmonkey> i'm wondering if I draw up a technical spec and pitch for non-windows, he he
[18:23] <kbmonkey> i'm always skeptical, nothing is free.
[18:23] <Kilos> if you can show them the advantages of no virus threats etc it might work kbmonkey 
[18:23] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[18:23] <superfly> kbmonkey: no, that was me
[18:23] <Kilos> yeah even ubuntu
[18:23] <superfly> I'm getting irritated by it
[18:24] <kbmonkey> is that free dsl for real? :/
[18:24] <kbmonkey> ooh gotta run, taxi is here
[18:25] <kbmonkey> ciao folks :]
[18:25] <Kilos> toods kbmonkey 
[18:25] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:29] <inetpro> good evenin
[18:30] <Kilos> yo inetpro 
[18:30]  * inetpro gives up reading the backlogs
[18:31] <inetpro> you guys talk to much 
[18:31] <Kilos> ha ha too much for old peeps
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: did I miss something?
[18:31] <Kilos> inetpro, you cant get this hey http://www.getfree.co.za/Free-ADSL-Internet/
[18:31] <magespawn> Hey lots of peeps awake and here, cool.
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: no lines here
[18:32] <Kilos> only unity gripes inetpro 
[18:32] <Kilos> sigh
[18:32] <inetpro> hmm... 
[18:32]  * inetpro can't wait for the release 
[18:33] <magespawn> Whats this about free adsl?
[18:33] <Kilos> you like unity hey?
[18:33] <inetpro> will be back on kubuntu in full force again
[18:33] <Kilos> was inna mail here magespawn 
[18:33] <Kilos> ha ha
[18:33] <magespawn> For real?
[18:34] <Kilos> go look what they say tomorrow mage
[18:34] <Kilos> save the link
[18:34] <inetpro> I've been on Kubuntu 12.04 since beta2
[18:34] <inetpro> at the office
[18:34] <inetpro> so far been very good 
[18:34] <zeref> Kilos: u using 12.04?
[18:34] <Kilos> no zeref maverick
[18:35] <Kilos> 10.10
[18:35] <inetpro> only one week to go
[18:35] <Kilos> tried xubuntu 11.04 but not good for me
[18:35] <zeref> 12.04 is pretty stable i must say ( for a beta)
[18:35] <magespawn> I am missing something here, obviously, but what?
[18:36] <Kilos> what now magespawn ?
[18:36] <magespawn> The free adsl.
[18:37] <Kilos> oh i dunno if anyone has gone to see it yet
[18:38] <Kilos> would be good for you hey magespawn 
[18:38] <inetpro> oh and I'm sold out to Dropbox
[18:38] <magespawn> Would be good for most I imagine.
[18:38] <Kilos> oh my
[18:39] <inetpro> Dropbox = simplicity
[18:39] <Kilos> hi fukov 
[18:39] <Kilos> strange nick
[18:39] <inetpro> eish!
[18:39] <fukov> hi Kilos !
[18:40] <inetpro> Kilos: vir wat bring jy al die nederlanders hiernatoe?
[18:40] <zeref> hmmm
[18:40] <fukov> http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0078683/
[18:40] <Kilos> inetpro, still with updates all the time like ubuntu?
[18:40] <fukov> lol
[18:40] <zeref> that free adsl looks dodge
[18:41] <magespawn> Very badly written.
[18:41] <fukov> inetpro: ah is daar dan meer nederlanders hier?
[18:41] <Kilos> ya psydroid 
[18:41] <fukov> ah cool
[18:41] <inetpro> hier was die afgelope tyd 'n paar nederlanders in en uit
[18:42] <fukov> wel daar is soveel nederlanders wat in .za kom vakansie hou dis ook geen verbasing
[18:42] <Kilos> we are attracting peeps from all over
[18:42] <fukov> irc = internationaal ;)
[18:42] <Kilos> fukov, waar is jy nou?
[18:43] <fukov> fukov: oos-nederland (hengelo)
[18:43] <fukov> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hengelo
[18:43] <Kilos> dis n lelike nick 
[18:43] <fukov> nee dis 'n spotnaam vir 'n rus
[18:43] <magespawn> Only for us
[18:43] <Kilos> welkom by ubuntu-za
[18:44] <fukov> dankie!
[18:44] <magespawn> You should here the dutch say backside
[18:44] <magespawn> Hear
[18:44] <Kilos> ya but we have ladies here
[18:44] <inetpro> that nick is so bad that I don't even want to type it
[18:44] <fukov> magespawn: agterkant? don't see what is so bad about that
[18:44] <Kilos> hehe
[18:45] <nuvolari> tut-tooot!
[18:45] <fukov> magespawn: correction, achterkant
[18:45] <Kilos> nuvolari, yoohooo
[18:45] <nuvolari> o/ hi oom Kilos 
[18:45] <Kilos> afrikaans is agterkant
[18:45] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[18:46] <psydroid> hi nuvolari
[18:46] <psydroid> hi magespawn
[18:46] <nuvolari> lo psydroid, fukov 
[18:46] <Kilos> yo psydroid one of your countrymen is here
[18:46] <nuvolari> lo magespawn, inetpro 
[18:46] <fukov> hi nuvolari !
[18:46] <psydroid> hi inetpro
[18:46] <psydroid> Kilos, who's that?
[18:46] <nuvolari> anyone following the Oracle vs. Google case?
[18:46] <psydroid> hi fukov
[18:47] <Kilos> the one with the ugly nick
[18:47] <fukov> hi psydroid 
[18:47] <fukov> how is my nick "ugly", it's russian
[18:47] <fukov> except if you think all the russians are ugly
[18:47] <psydroid> oh
[18:47] <Kilos> lol yeah but it sounds bad in our languages
[18:47] <psydroid> yeah
[18:48] <fukov> ah that's interesting, how does it sound?
[18:48] <Kilos> cant tell you here
[18:48] <fukov> no problem
[18:48] <Kilos> kinda like go away
[18:48] <psydroid> I thought nuvolari was telling me something ...
[18:48] <fukov> very interesting
[18:48] <psydroid> that I should do ...
[18:48] <Kilos> in harsh language
[18:49] <psydroid> but then I saw the nick and it made sense
[18:49] <Kilos> what does it mean in russian fukov 
[18:50] <fukov> Kilos: nothing, it's just a name actually
[18:50] <Kilos> ah
[18:50] <Kilos> magespawn, wb
[18:51] <Kilos> fukov, what do you do?
[18:51] <Kilos> psydroid, hows things going with job hunting
[18:52] <fukov> Kilos: i work in ICT
[18:53] <psydroid> Kilos, it's still progressing, I've sent out a few more applications but I'm also working a bit on my programming skills
[18:53] <Kilos> thats nice fukov 
[18:53] <Kilos> psydroid, maybe fukov has some contacts for you
[18:53] <Kilos> i dunno how far from each other you are
[18:54] <fukov> it's the netherlands so even if we live across the country from each other, it's not that far ;)
[18:54] <Kilos> lol you onna little island inna big dam hey
[18:55] <fukov> yes indeed, a large part of the country is beneath ocean level, with an artificially controlled water table
[18:55] <fukov> that's not the case where i live though, i live practically right on the german border
[18:56] <Kilos> actually amazing what people can do
[18:56] <psydroid> Kilos, I may not be qualified enough, I don't know too much about web programming either
[18:56] <psydroid> I live in the west of the country
[18:56] <Kilos> psydroid, then dont stop studying as well
[18:57]  * inetpro feels like going outside and screaming out that nickname 
[18:57] <Kilos> inetpro, say foooo
[18:57] <psydroid> Kilos, yes, that's what I'm doing
[18:57] <inetpro> neighbours are at it again
[18:57] <Kilos> methinks its how we pronounce it sounds bad
[18:57] <Kilos> lol oh my
[18:57] <inetpro> playing such loud music that my walls are vibrating
[18:58] <Kilos> inetpro, make prearranged plans to control their power
[18:58] <inetpro> Kilos: now that sounds like a good idea
[18:58] <magespawn> But you do not live next door to me.
[18:58] <Kilos> where theres a will theres a way
[18:59] <Kilos> lol @mage
[18:59] <inetpro> magespawn: please don't do it
[18:59] <fukov> inetpro: you could say "foooo" like this guy: http://wiki.bakakage.net/Hard_Gay#Foo.3F
[19:00] <inetpro> it's the most irritating thing you can do to your neigbours
[19:00] <magespawn> I have no neighbours
[19:00] <inetpro> in that case it can't be you
[19:00] <Kilos> inetpro, most young peeps like loud music
[19:01] <Kilos> and party types
[19:01] <Kilos> and those trying to act young
[19:02] <zeref> loud music FTW
[19:03] <fukov> the best way to say "foooo" http://fooooo.com/w/2454abb8ea09fd666e00423da2766a2d
[19:04] <Kilos> psydroid, have a look at studying networking as well. seems to be a big payer
[19:05] <Kilos> once you have experience to back it up with of course
[19:05] <psydroid> Kilos, what does networking mean?
[19:05] <psydroid> cisco routers and the likes?
[19:05] <Kilos> inetpro, tell him what andrew does
[19:05] <zeref> psydroid: trolling?
[19:06] <Kilos> psydroid, installing and maintaining servers etc i think
[19:07] <psydroid> zeref, no, I know sys admin stuff in small environments, but I am not into all the largescale cisco stuff or business environments with hundreds or thousands of systems
[19:07] <inetpro> hmm... I guess it's more in the line of computer networks, routers, switches and the likes
[19:07] <Kilos> Symmetria, tell psydroid what networking involves
[19:08] <psydroid> yeah, that's what I thought
[19:08] <inetpro> but he could be a sys admin as well
[19:08] <Kilos> networking here is connecting two pcs with bluetooth
[19:09] <Kilos> thats my limit
[19:09] <zeref> networking: communication between computers
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: networking could mean many things, including social networking
[19:09] <psydroid> oh, I know how to set up servers and desktops
[19:10] <zeref> i'm also learnig about routers and the like
[19:10] <psydroid> that's what I've been doing for 10 years or so, but I am not certified for anything
[19:10] <zeref> CCNA?
[19:10] <Kilos> fukov, how did you get to ubuntu-za
[19:10] <psydroid> yeah, I would like to
[19:11] <zeref> thats what i'm doing now
[19:11] <inetpro> certification means nothing
[19:11] <Kilos> lotsa exams to write psydroid 
[19:11] <psydroid> no, not that kind of networking
[19:11] <zeref> ??
[19:11] <psydroid> Kilos, I figure
[19:12] <psydroid> just simple server stuff is what I've done
[19:12] <Kilos> thats why you were interested in LPI hey?
[19:12] <nuvolari> I think Oracle is loosing grips on the case
[19:12] <psydroid> Linux/Windows and the likes
[19:12] <psydroid> yes, Kilos
[19:12] <Kilos> we will get back to it as soon as everyone settles down
[19:12] <inetpro> nuvolari: I hope so
[19:13] <Kilos> been a tough year for many
[19:13] <nuvolari> from the little I've read today, it seems that Oracle is not prepared for their own case 
[19:13] <zeref> psydroid: work through the CCNA's
[19:13] <magespawn> inetpro certification is for other people so they can get a handle on what computer people do
[19:13] <zeref> teaches how to configure routers etc
[19:13] <inetpro> nuvolari: these kind of cases tend to drag on for a very long time
[19:14] <nuvolari> inetpro: are you following groklaw?
[19:14] <nuvolari> ye, unfortunately so
[19:14] <psydroid> I just need to know where we are supposed to be with the LPI stuff, so I can catch up in the meantime, Kilos
[19:14] <inetpro> nuvolari: when I have time I enjoy reading it, but I have not had the time this week
[19:14] <psydroid> zeref, I will do that, thanks
[19:15] <nuvolari> inetpro: heh, this is the first time I'm actually attempting to follow something. I've just noticed that on several occasions the judge asked Oracle to get their stuff together :P
[19:15] <nuvolari> and this one line cought my eye: Judge Alsup: Accounting of minutes used so far: Oracle: 131; Google: 62.
[19:15] <Kilos> psydroid, not very far i think 
[19:15] <zeref> psydroid: there is program called packettracer, it allows you to setup a networks, routers hubs swicthes etc
[19:15] <magespawn> What are the bones of the case?
[19:16] <zeref> its pretty cool
[19:16] <inetpro> nuvolari: interesting
[19:16] <psydroid> zeref, cool, I will look out for it
[19:16] <superfly> magespawn: patents, most likely Java
[19:16] <magespawn> Oh right 
[19:16] <nuvolari> "Another interesting detail: when Oracle's lawyer, David Boies, handed him one exhibit, seeking to get Larry Page to authenticate it, which is a requirement before an exhibit can be introduced as evidence, Page instead pointed out that the page numbering was off, with two different sets of numbers. Hmm"
[19:17]  * inetpro hates patents
[19:18]  * nuvolari seconds that
[19:18] <magespawn> How can you patent software?
[19:18] <Kilos> psydroid, SECTION 101 AND 102
[19:19] <nuvolari> magespawn: they try to, but IMO it's madness
[19:19] <inetpro> patents have put a massive damper on innovation
[19:20] <Kilos> BUT WE DIDNT DISCUSS THEM MUCH
[19:20] <nuvolari> if they want to patent software, they might as well patent the alphabet and discontinue education
[19:20] <magespawn> Yup but not only that two people removed from each other could independantly write identical code
[19:20] <Kilos> sorry for caps
[19:20] <psydroid> Kilos, thanks, I'll read them
[19:20] <inetpro> Kilos: for a moment you sounded very serious there 
[19:20] <nuvolari> magespawn: exactly. That's the sad part about proprietary stuff
[19:20] <magespawn> Or writing, since the words have been used before
[19:21] <Kilos> inetpro, ?
[19:21] <Kilos> oh lol
[19:21] <Kilos> rofl
[19:21] <inetpro> Kilos: the caps :-)
[19:21] <Kilos> was a typo man
[19:21] <psydroid> :)
[19:21] <Kilos> missed the shift kinda and hit caps lock
[19:21]  * nuvolari sees oom Kilos getting out his melee and war paint
[19:21] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:22] <nuvolari> see oom Kilos, that's why I use my caps lock for the compose key
[19:22] <nuvolari> then it never happens
[19:22] <Kilos> ya but then how do you make caps
[19:22] <nuvolari> Kilos: For Normal Words?
[19:22] <Kilos> i need caps in mails
[19:23] <inetpro> nuvolari: sounds like a good idea but after all these years I would not get used to that
[19:23] <Kilos> ja
[19:23] <nuvolari> Why Would You Want To Write In All-Caps?
[19:23] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:23] <Kilos> hmmm dunno
[19:23] <Kilos> what is the caps lock used for them
[19:23] <superfly> KILOS NEEDS TO WRITE IN CALL CAPITAL LETTERS SO THAT PEOPLE WILL LISTEN TO HIM
[19:23] <superfly> :-P
[19:24] <Kilos> shift makes individual letters caps
[19:24] <nuvolari> you can use the shift key :P
[19:24]  * superfly hasn't used the caps lock key in years
[19:24] <inetpro> superfly: yikes!
[19:24] <Kilos> hmmm
[19:24] <superfly> inetpro: see? I got your attention :-P
[19:24]  * Kilos thinks of a wiity reply to the fly
[19:24] <nuvolari> I understand some people assign it as another Ctrl key
[19:24] <magespawn> IT DOES WORK
[19:25] <inetpro> superfly: wb
[19:25] <magespawn> ha
[19:25] <Kilos> dunno if caps lock works here. peeps just say I'm not deaf, I'm just ignoring you
[19:26] <Kilos> buncha lurkers
[19:26] <magespawn> Ll
[19:26] <magespawn> Lol
[19:26] <Kilos> superfly, you always listen to me
[19:27] <Kilos> whether it stay inside or goes right through is another matter
[19:27] <Kilos> i better go sleep now
[19:28] <nuvolari> "Judge Alsup: [TX 431 is thrown out, no foundation. Will be able to bring back this witness once it is in evidence through foundation. ]"
[19:28] <Kilos> night guys ty for a fun evening
[19:28] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos 
[19:28] <Kilos> night superfly 
[19:28] <nuvolari> sleep tight!
[19:28]  * inetpro wonders how cocooncrash is doing
[19:28] <Kilos> nag nuvolari 
[19:28] <inetpro> night Kilos
[19:28] <Kilos> see you all tomorrow
[19:28] <fukov> Kilos: sorry just got back, was busy doing the dishes
[19:28] <fukov> Kilos: i used to live in south africa for quite some time so it's only natural ;)
[19:28] <Kilos> fukov, np
[19:29] <inetpro> Maaz: seen cocooncrash
[19:29] <Maaz> inetpro: cocooncrash was last seen 23 days, 1 hour, 14 minutes and 15 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-03-28 11:14:44 PDT], and has been online on atrum since 2012-04-20 09:48:30 PDT
[19:29] <Kilos> ah that explains it them
[19:29] <fukov> Kilos: a lot of people in this region spent some time in south africa actually
[19:29] <Kilos> but psydroid was never here
[19:29] <magespawn> Night Kilos
[19:29] <Kilos> fukov, do you use ubuntu?
[19:30] <fukov> Kilos: yup on ubuntu right now
[19:30] <Kilos> great. ok then night guys
[19:31] <fukov> psydroid: if you don't mind me asking, why do you hang out in this # ?
[19:32] <inetpro> fukov: ek dink hy wil die taal leer en vir ons kom kuier
[19:33] <psydroid> fukov, I accidentally came here because a friend was looking for people to speak Afrikaans with
[19:34] <psydroid> and then I got to know people and then I added this channel to my autojoin list
[19:38] <inetpro> psydroid: so what do you do for a living?
[19:39] <psydroid> inetpro, I was supposed to be studying, but I had to quit last month for financial reasons
[19:39] <psydroid> right now I'm jobless
[19:39] <inetpro> hmm... sad to hear that
[19:41] <psydroid> yeah, I've been trying to find something for months
[19:42] <psydroid> but it didn't work out
[19:42] <inetpro> what did you study?
[19:42] <psydroid> but I am positive I will find a job, if I have the right knowledge
[19:42] <psydroid> applied physics and computer engineering
[19:43] <inetpro> sounds interesting
[19:43] <psydroid> and I'm pretty good at languages
[19:44] <psydroid> but there doesn't seem to be much for people like me at ordinary employment agencies, so I keep searching and working on my skills
[19:45] <inetpro> when I started looking for my first job I pretty much had my sights up way to high
[19:46] <inetpro> I ended up starting as a lowly clerk in an office job before moving up the ranks
[19:47] <nuvolari> I wonder why Google never bought Sun?
[19:48] <psydroid> I used to have that too, but they don't even seem to have that kind of job for me, because at least here people are specifically educated for those kinds of jobs
[19:48] <inetpro> nuvolari: that may have been a good move at the time, but I think it would have been the wrong move
[19:48] <psydroid> even for call centre jobs they ask for experience in the field and things like that
[19:48] <inetpro> nuvolari: that would have given google way to much power
[19:50] <inetpro> actually I'm glad that it never happened
[19:50] <nuvolari> yeah, they are good competition
[19:51] <nuvolari> my initial thoughts are that Oracle became sour because they failed to create an "oracle phone"
[19:51] <nuvolari> or aphone by oracle
[19:51] <inetpro> hmm... I'm not so sure about that one
[19:52] <nuvolari> there's a mention of Oracle looking at RIM and ... I can't remember now
[19:53] <inetpro> well with them handing BB phones to all their employees they must have misjudged the market
[19:53] <nuvolari> "Oracle contemplated buying RIM, but RIM was too expensive. They considered buying Palm, but considered them not to be competitive. Finally, they tried approaching Google CEO, Eric Schmidt with a business proposition that would allow Android phones to boot faster, run faster and use less battery power, but the two parties failed to agree on terms."
[19:54] <inetpro> anyone still a proud BB user here?
[19:55]  * nuvolari can hear a pin drop
[19:56]  * psydroid is a droid himself and wouldn't want to be anything else
[19:56] <nuvolari> Maaz: psydroid++ for being a 'droid fan
[19:56] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[19:56] <nuvolari> Maaz: help karma
[19:56] <Maaz> nuvolari: Keeps track of karma for people and things. You can use it like this:
[19:56] <Maaz>   forget karma for <subject> [[reason]]
[19:56] <Maaz>   karma for <subject>
[19:56] <Maaz>   [reverse] karmaladder
[19:56] <Maaz>   <subject> (++|--|==|ftw|ftl) [[reason]]
[19:57] <inetpro> psydroid: that just confirms my suspicions about that nick of yours :-)
[19:57] <nuvolari> Maaz: ++psydroid for being a 'droid fan
[19:57] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[19:58] <inetpro> Maaz: psydroid ++ [for being a doid fan]
[19:58] <nuvolari> bleh :P
[19:58] <nuvolari> thanks inetpro 
[19:59] <psydroid> internetpro, you can guess but I won't confirm :P
[19:59]  * inetpro lol
[19:59] <magespawn> Droid amd meeho/memeo
[20:00] <inetpro> magespawn: if only Nokia didn't sell out to MS
[20:00] <psydroid> I think Nokia is doomed
[20:00] <inetpro> definitely
[20:01] <magespawn> My thoughts exactly
[20:01] <nuvolari> but I don't know how they could not see that coming...
[20:01] <psydroid> I have seen no one with a Windows phone for quite some time, it's as if they don't even exist
[20:01] <magespawn> But they have not killed the os they have.
[20:02] <magespawn> Ppayed with lumina 900 the other day
[20:02] <magespawn> Played
[20:02] <inetpro> magespawn: it will never be the same without support from the top
[20:02] <magespawn> Maybe
[20:02] <fukov> inetpro: ah dis nice
[20:02] <magespawn> They do still have more 50% market share
[20:03] <fukov> psydroid: haha, that's a good enough reason :)
[20:03] <inetpro> magespawn: says who?
[20:04] <magespawn> Saw something based on number of active handsets versus sales etc, wil see if I can dig it up.
[20:05] <magespawn> I am waiting for the time when phines/tablets become like pc and you can have your pick of hardware and software.
[20:05] <magespawn> Phones
[20:06] <magespawn> I love my n900
[20:07] <magespawn> If they keep making hardware like that I will keep buying it.
[20:07]  * inetpro enjoying ICS 4.0.4 on the Nexus S
[20:08] <inetpro> I could just do with a beefier battery
[20:08] <magespawn> Besides soon you could build your own phone, they way things like strawberry pi are going.
[20:08] <magespawn> So coul we all.
[20:09] <magespawn> Could
[20:09] <inetpro> RootChaos: wb
[20:09] <RootChaos> tx
[20:10] <inetpro> RootChaos: you have been here before?
[20:11] <magespawn> Inetpro have seen the htc one x, i think that is what it is called.
[20:11] <RootChaos> •inetpro• i have indeed
[20:11]  * nuvolari have seen RootChaos before
[20:12] <nuvolari> *around before
[20:12]  * inetpro would not mind a physical keyboard with modern droid smartphone
[20:14] <magespawn> Would it take a bluetooth one?
[20:16] <inetpro> magespawn: I'm sure a bluetooth keyboard would work 
[20:17] <inetpro> but then again, I don't think the smartphones will ever replace a good old desktop with a nice big monitor
[20:17] <magespawn> Seen two tablets lately with hdmi output.
[20:18] <inetpro> but never is perhaps a very long time
[20:18] <magespawn> One device for on the road and dock it like the older laptops in the office.
[20:19] <nuvolari>  /bu6
[20:19] <nuvolari> hmm. sorry
[20:20] <inetpro> BTW, would you recommend charging a phone with a car charger these days?
[20:20] <inetpro> or what do you suggest for someone on the roads?
[20:21] <RootChaos> i would be happy with a few things... since we on the topic of whish lists...
[20:22] <magespawn> Iused thone with my n900 but doesnot charge that well, that charges better though my laptop, have not tried a car charger with the tablet
[20:22] <RootChaos> 1. a complete linux desktop to replace a windows desktop, including abode cs 5.5 ;-)
[20:22] <RootChaos> 2. a south africa linux mag that doesnt cost R160
[20:23] <RootChaos> thats it... just 2 things...
[20:23] <inetpro> RootChaos: hmm...
[20:23] <inetpro> RootChaos: 1. vim
[20:23] <inetpro> 2. the web
[20:24] <magespawn> I am out of here peeps battery is about to die, night all.
[20:24] <inetpro> magespawn: eish! Good night
[20:24] <RootChaos> cheers magespawn
[20:25] <inetpro> RootChaos: forget the South African linux mag, we're living in a global village these days
[20:26] <inetpro> allthough I do agree that it would look nice on the coffee table
[20:26] <RootChaos> i still enjoy paging through a mag
[20:27] <zeref> hmmm
[20:28] <zeref> yeah linux magz are expensive
[20:28] <zeref> but some might say you get a cd with a bunch of linux distrbutions
[20:29] <inetpro> unfortunatelt I think they'll get even more expensive 
[20:29] <inetpro> unless we give up and loose the patent fight 
[20:30] <inetpro> electronic versions should be very close to free
[20:31] <inetpro> it's just so much easier to distribute a electronic version 
[20:31] <inetpro> and there's no harm done to nature
[20:31] <inetpro> or at least, less harm
[20:32] <nuvolari> inetpro: http://9to5google.com/2012/04/18/googles-money-slides-indicate-oracle-is-bitter-over-javas-failed-mobile-attempts-court-battle-is-its-tantrum-photos/
[20:33] <inetpro> nuvolari: nice, thanks
[20:40] <inetpro> .
[20:40] <superfly> ..
[20:43] <inetpro> superfly: you on 12.04 yet?
[20:43] <superfly> yup, upgraded when the first beta came out
[20:44] <inetpro> cool
[20:44] <RootChaos> RootCore6678
[20:45] <RootChaos> that is my 12.04 boxie
[20:45] <RootChaos> can't wait for the production release though
[20:46] <inetpro> same here
[20:51] <RootChaos> only 6 days to go
[20:51] <inetpro> 6 days are way to long
[20:51] <RootChaos> yeah
[20:52] <inetpro> I'm actually surprised that we have not seen a release cadidate yet
[20:52] <inetpro> or is it out
[20:52] <inetpro> ?
[20:52] <RootChaos> just beta i think
[20:54] <zeref> alpha-->beta-->official relase
[20:54] <inetpro> ok
[20:54]  * inetpro somehow thought there used to be a RC1 and RC2 version
[20:55] <zeref> mmmm, i dont remember seeing RC's for ubuntu, i might be wrong
[20:57] <zeref> 5 year support, not upgrading till 2017 LOL
[20:58] <inetpro> that is a very long time
[20:58] <tumbleweed> inetpro: we are in the candidate phase
[20:59] <tumbleweed> meaning pretty much every daily build is a release candidate
[20:59] <inetpro> tumbleweed: ahh
[20:59] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[20:59] <inetpro> tumbleweed: great to see you're still at it
[21:00] <zeref> tumbleweed: do you have another job, or is ubuntu dev teh job?
[21:01]  * tumbleweed isn't directly involved in the release process. I'm on the release team but I'm not involved with any of the flavors
[21:01] <tumbleweed> zeref: yeah I have a dayjob these days. Abandoned university
[21:02] <tumbleweed> working on deployment systems at yola
[21:03] <zeref> ahh, thinking bout going the dev root when done with studies with "official" job
[21:04] <tumbleweed> we're hiring, btw, https://www.yola.com/about-us/jobs/engineering-sa
[21:04] <inetpro> zeref: don't wait to get employed
[21:04] <inetpro> just get involved even before getting employed
[21:05] <zeref> true
[21:07] <nuvolari> o/ night
[21:08] <inetpro> nuvolari: good night