[00:03] <Unit193> 12.04 will be out later this month.
[00:05] <tbrown2012> Unit193: I was waiting on someone to reply what is everyone on #ubuntu chat room
[00:06] <Unit193> I can't quite parse that... It's a support channel, and Ubuntu is released at the same time.
[00:09] <tbrown2012> I have a question I have a little problem I cant open terminal command line I run the emalator or something and it says that there is no applciation selected and I dont know what to do after that please help lol
[00:46] <dougb_freebsd> Hey gang, I'm having a problem with a newly installed 11.10
[00:47] <dougb_freebsd> Trying to run the updates I'm getting a lot of errors about "The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources"
[00:47] <dougb_freebsd> when I deselect those updates from the Update Manager, I still get the error
[00:49] <dougb_freebsd> Any suggestions?
[00:49] <Unit193> Seems the keyring is a bit  messed up.
[00:49] <dougb_freebsd> yeah, last night I got a ton of errors with bad signatures on the update files
[00:50] <Unit193> http://askubuntu.com/questions/116050/update-problems-due-to-installation-of-packages-from-not-authenticated-sources Look like that?
[00:50] <dougb_freebsd> today it's better, but all the updates in the "Other updates" category are still showing in the not authenticated category
[00:53] <dougb_freebsd> Unit193, yes, like that
[00:54] <dougb_freebsd> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[00:57] <dougb_freebsd> so any ideas?
[00:58] <Unit193> That link had a fix too, did that not help?
[00:58] <dougb_freebsd> it's not a matter of a missing key
[00:59] <dougb_freebsd> the key is there, but the signature for the file is bad
[00:59] <Unit193> No, but there was also   sudo apt-get update   from today.
[00:59] <dougb_freebsd> right, I did that
[00:59] <dougb_freebsd> that's where I got the error message that I pasted
[01:01] <dougb_freebsd> But the bigger problem is that when I deselect the updates that fall under the bad signature, I still get the error about installation of packages from untrusted sources
[01:04] <Unit193> Try   sudo apt-get clean; sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists /var/lib/apt/lists.old; sudo mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial; sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update
[01:07] <dougb_freebsd> ok, that's running .. downloading files
[01:14] <dougb_freebsd> Unit193, that seems to have worked, thanks!
[01:15] <dougb_freebsd> at least, it got past the error about updates not being authenticated
[01:48] <Unit193> dougb_freebsd: Great!
[01:53] <dougb_freebsd> yeah, I think that solved it, still downloading stuff
[01:53] <dougb_freebsd> (slow link here)
[02:03] <dougb_freebsd> woo hoo! reboot time .... thanks again Unit193
[02:03] <Unit193> Yeppers!
[02:04] <rhin0> can't figure out how to change desktop background on xubuntu 10.04 - plain "set image as desktop background" (right click) doesn't work - anyone?
[02:07] <Unit193> Right click desktop > Desktop Settings
[02:08] <rhin0> where are the images though
[02:08] <rhin0> I want images off the web
[02:08] <rhin0> right click on image doesn't work
[02:08] <rhin0> as in ubuntu
[02:08] <Unit193> Save one, and browse to it using that dialog.
[02:09] <rhin0> yus!
[02:09] <rhin0> didn't see the big + was browse for file
[02:09] <rhin0> ty ty ty
[02:10] <rhin0> had xubuntu years never been able to do that
[02:10] <rhin0> just never figured
[02:11] <rhin0> some things are low priority
[02:12] <Unit193> I seem to press buttons until I find something cool, like a monkey.
[02:14] <rhin0> i have 0 problems with xubuntu
[02:14] <rhin0> ZERO
[02:15] <rhin0> stopped using ubuntu
[02:17] <Vermicelli> I'm considering putting /boot (along with swap) on a flush-fitting SD card in my netbook, since the SSD is so slow. What would be a recommended size for a boot partition (or would there be any reason to discourage me from doing this)?
[02:18] <GridCube> rhin0, you can also set as wallpaper from thunar
[02:18] <GridCube> or from ristretto
[02:18] <rhin0> ok thanks gridcube
[02:19] <GridCube> you can add new backgrounds to ~/.local/share/xfce4/backdrops and they will appear at the contextual menu from the desktop configurations
[02:19] <rhin0> you were the person who helped me fix the caps lock indicator on xubuntu 11.04 I remember gridcube
[02:19] <rhin0> get one
[02:19] <GridCube> :D that works now?
[02:20] <GridCube> i made it a default addon on 12.04
[02:20] <rhin0> was months ago - I stopped using xubuntu 11.04 though because it had problems
[02:20] <rhin0> you control things?
[02:20] <GridCube> nope i just asked for it
[02:20] <GridCube> :P
[02:20] <rhin0> I remember you saying it should have been default - you were posting on ubuntu forums
[02:20] <GridCube> knome controls things
[02:20] <GridCube> :)
[02:21] <rhin0> what do you use
[02:21] <rhin0> gridcube
[02:21] <GridCube> xubuntu 11.10 for now
[02:21] <GridCube> will switch to 12.04 on my netbook this week to test live installs, i havent had the time yet
[02:22] <GridCube> will switch to 12.04 later next month or the next if i feel like it, 11.10 is working pretty well
[02:22] <GridCube> in my main computer
[02:22] <rhin0> have you thought of lubuntu
[02:22] <GridCube> i've tried it, not my cup of tea
[02:23] <GridCube> rhin0, can we continue this on offtopic? this is not help support
[02:23] <GridCube> !ot
[02:23] <rhin0> ok
[02:24] <Vermicelli> Is 100 MB comfortable for /boot? Or too small?
[02:24] <GridCube> far too much
[02:24] <Vermicelli> What's more reasonable?
[02:25] <Vermicelli> Can't find much info.
[02:26] <GridCube> let me check for some manual
[02:26] <Vermicelli> #ubuntu is telling me 200-500MB.
[02:27] <bazhang> ...
[02:27] <GridCube> The partition mounted on /boot/ contains the operating system kernel (which allows your system to boot Red Hat Enterprise Linux), along with files used during the bootstrap process. For most users, a 250 MB boot partition is sufficient.
[02:27] <GridCube> thats pretty much the usual recommendation yes
[02:28] <Vermicelli> thanks
[02:28] <GridCube> i just have a dedicated / thats about 20gb and a /home partition
[02:28] <GridCube> i never find any problems
[02:28] <GridCube> Vermicelli, http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Installation_Guide/s2-diskpartrecommend-x86.html
[02:30] <GridCube> Vermicelli, what ubuntu does is installs many kernels alongside each other, each times it updates, you can unistall them if things dont break after one
[02:30] <Vermicelli> On a 512MB ram netbook with a sloooow SSD, woudl it be worth it to give up some swap space on a 1GB SD card to allow for a 250MB /boot? THinking probably not at this point.
[02:32] <GridCube> Vermicelli, i dont really know how ssd works, but by guess i would say that maybe, if you create the swap partition at the begining of the ssd it should be faster(?)
[02:33] <Vermicelli> thanks
[02:33] <GridCube> because... its at the beginig?
[02:33] <Vermicelli> hah
[02:33] <GridCube> im just guessing here
[02:33] <Vermicelli> I'm not sure SSD takes that into any consideration, since there's no disk seek at all.
[02:35] <GridCube> yes... i guess
[02:35] <GridCube> im reading that the recommendations is, do not put a swap on ss disks
[02:35] <GridCube> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#Swap_Space_on_SSDs
[02:35] <Vermicelli> Because of the "wear" associated with frequent writes, I think.
[02:36] <Vermicelli> A reason I'm using ext2 rather than ext3.
[02:36] <GridCube> mmhm
[02:36] <GridCube> apparently people also recommends ext4
[02:37] <GridCube> it uses this "trim" thing that i dont know what is
[02:38] <rhin0> trim is for ssd drives (solid state)
[02:39] <rhin0> In computing, a TRIM command allows an operating system to inform a solid-state drive  (SSD) which blocks of data are no longer considered in use and can be  wiped internally. While TRIM is frequently spelled in capital letters,  it is a command name, not an acronym.[1]
[02:40] <GridCube> rhin0, i pretty much imagined it was something on those lines, yes
[02:40] <GridCube> Vermicelli, so you might want to use ext4 on that ssd
[02:40] <Vermicelli> Thanks. I think this is what I need to do. http://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/howtoconfigureext4toenabletrimforssdsonubuntu
[02:41] <GridCube> i would guess that you do yes :)
[02:42] <GridCube> then... yes, put the swap on the sdcard
[02:42] <GridCube> keep in mind that ubuntu NEEDS a swap partition anyway, or it wont even install
[02:43] <GridCube> even if you have 16gb of ram :P
[02:45] <Vermicelli> Yeah, was going to do swap on the card all along. I think on so small a card though, I can't afford space for /boot.
[02:45] <Vermicelli> Hah- my SSD: http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd.php?hdd=SSDPAMM0008G1
[02:45] <GridCube> :) good
[02:46] <GridCube> lol
[02:46] <GridCube> XD
[02:46] <GridCube> thats pretty low
[02:47] <Vermicelli> Well thanks for the advice. I'm off.
[02:48] <GridCube> bye
[03:46] <oldmanstan> hey all, using xubuntu 12.04, mp3s played fine when i first installed, now there's a missing plugin, any thoughts? known issue?
[03:47] <holstein> oldmanstan: i bet it wasnt an mp3
[03:47] <holstein> theres a meta package called ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:48] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[03:48] <holstein> also, #ubuntu+1 for 12.04 support
[03:48] <oldmanstan> hmm, i just checked and i guess it's possible it was an ogg file (there are quite a few), but the vast majority of my collection is mp3, you sure the mp3 codecs aren't installed by default?
[03:49] <holstein> oldmanstan: used to be a thing in the installer... for installing the fluendo codec
[03:49] <holstein> oldmanstan: you can open the pacakge manager of your choice, and search mp3
[03:50] <oldmanstan> ah, fluendo, lovely
[03:50] <oldmanstan> yeah, i do remember it being in the installer at one point or another
[03:51] <oldmanstan> maybe because i used the alternate iso? weird, thanks though!
[03:51] <holstein> oldmanstan: yes.. not fluendo prompt on the alternate ISO AFAIK
[03:52] <oldmanstan> ahh ok, that's what i get for being old-fashioned, hehe
[03:53] <holstein> oldmanstan: just install one
[03:53] <holstein> install that one if you like.. you'll find it from search fluendo, and/or mp3
[03:54] <oldmanstan> yep, already got it
[03:54] <oldmanstan> all is working now :)
[03:56] <holstein> enjoy!
[03:56] <oldmanstan> thanks again
[04:57] <maoranma> I'm confused, the blog for Xubuntu 12.04 says that it uses pavucontrol over xfce-mixer. Does that mean there's no alsa sound drivers on Xubuntu 12.04?
[05:02] <baizon> maoranma: there is just von xfce mixer
[05:05] <baizon> von = no
[05:05] <baizon> alsa sound drivers stays :)
[05:05] <maoranma> Hmm, having issues getting sounds out of an alsa using application for some reason
[05:22] <maoranma> Strange, I ran alsa-mixer, muted and unmuted, and now I have sound in mednafen
[05:24] <baizon> i had to do the same when i switch from speakers to hdmi for example
[05:29] <baizon> not sure if still got it, dont have the oportunity to test it
[07:30] <Orange_> hello
[08:44] <CellTech> Odd. It didn't send anything I typed
[08:44] <CellTech> I just did the sudo apt-get upgrade and update. Should I do the autoclean one now?
[08:49] <bigbrovar> Hi guys, I was wondering if there was a way to set thunar to automount external storage devices during start. Found out I had to remove and add the external hdd before it is mounted
[08:50] <bigbrovar> It's an ntfs external drive and I don't want to have to add it to fstab cus its not always attached to the system
[08:51] <bigbrovar> Just wondering if automounting of drives could happen during startup
[08:51] <bigbrovar> Like the system mounts added drives when starting up
[08:54] <well_laid_lawn> you might be able to set a udev rule for that
[09:01] <bigbrovar> Yeah my thinking too.. Might have to find the command that mounts when a drive is connected
[09:01] <bigbrovar> Will look into it thanks
[10:34] <JukeUK> Hi all - I'm a new user of Xubuntu and linux tbh.  Just installed the 32bit desktop version on a 2 GHz Core 2 laptop.  Then saw that Xubuntu recommends using the 64-bit for Core 2 processors.  Are there any advantages to switching?
[10:39] <Belserusk> I am thinking of jumping to Xubuntu 12.04 from Ubuntu 10.04 next week. Is it a good move?
[10:40] <knome> Belserusk, if you can do a fresh install, that's always better, but upgrading should work too
[10:44] <bigbrovar> JukeUk - not much really, I personally prefer 32 bit cus I am a general computer user and although 64 bit support has improved considerably on Linux there are still some odd cases where support is lacking
[10:44] <Belserusk> knome, Definitely. Although I have Xubuntu 11.10 on my 2nd PC and that was upgraded over the internet from 11.04 so upgrading over the internet to 12.04 should be fine?
[10:44] <knome> Belserusk, yup
[10:45] <JukeUK> bigbrovar, ty
[10:46] <bigbrovar> The slight difference in performance u get with 64bit is rarely significant when doing everyday computing. The biggest advantage is ability to use a 4gb+ ram which 32 bit os can't see. (they see only 3.5gb) but using a pae kernel fixes that
[10:47] <JukeUK> that wouldn't really affect me as the laptop can only take a max of 4GB and for the sake of 1/2 gig it's not worth the aggro.
[10:48] <Belserusk> knome, thanks.
[10:48] <Belserusk> knome, Is Xubuntu supported by Cannonical?
[10:49] <knome> Belserusk, the xubuntu team gets the infrastructure to use from canonical, but not much otherwise
[11:00] <xubuntu243> Hi
[11:07] <Belserusk> Will Xubuntu be prone to more bugs than Ubuntu or will bugs fixed be fixed equally fast?
[11:08] <knome> Belserusk, the bugs that are not xubuntu-specific are the same because naturally they land on all derivatives, xubuntu-specific bugs (mostly xfce) will depend on how trivial they are and if the xfce team fixes them quickly
[11:10] <Belserusk> knome, Which version of Xubuntu are you on? Your overall rating for Xubuntu out or 10?
[11:11] <knome> i'm on 12.04
[11:11] <knome> i'll let others rate how we are ;)
[11:11]  * knome is the project leader
[11:13] <Belserusk> knome, Fair enough. ^_^
[11:13] <Belserusk> Bye knome
[11:14] <knome> bye, and have fun
[11:14] <z4k4ri4> Hi, just installed xubuntu 12.04 (daily live), works great!
[11:15] <knome> z4k4ri4, good to hear
[11:15] <z4k4ri4> Is there anyway to make short cut to show window list?
[11:16] <z4k4ri4> Kinda window menu in panel
[11:16] <knome> z4k4ri4, not sure, but you can get that open by middle-clicking mouse on the desktop
[11:16] <z4k4ri4> Nah, It's on laptop
[11:17] <knome> z4k4ri4, alt+tab works for me, but you probably knew it exists already
[11:18] <z4k4ri4> I found it: xfdesktop --windowlist
[11:18] <z4k4ri4> thanks anyway
[11:21] <xubuntu528> hey, can anyone tell me if the USB problem ( not detecting ) was solved in xubuntu 11 ?
[12:30] <xubuntu165> Hello
[12:31] <xubuntu165> I just installed Xubuntu
[12:31] <xubuntu165> and I have added 2 additional keyboard layouts - russian and azerbaijani
[12:33] <xubuntu165> but I can't change the layout unless I go to settings->keyboard input method
[12:33] <xubuntu165> isn't there any shortcut?
[12:34] <xubuntu165> for example combination like Alt+Shift
[13:05] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[13:06] <baizon> welcome
[13:07] <ThePendulum> What's a nice little DVD ripping tool? There's an OS on it, not media
[13:11] <ThePendulum> I figured I could simply copy the files from the disk, lol
[13:39] <JukeUK> <----- linux newbie.  Are there any maintenance routines I should be doing with Xubuntu or am I being too MS mindset?
[13:43] <Pici> JukeUK: beyond making sure that you keep up-to-date with updates/upgrades, nothing really.
[13:43] <Pici> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:43] <Pici> (which *doesn't* upgrade you to a new release, see the manpage or /msg upbottu dist-upgrade for more info)
[13:49] <JukeUK> Pici, thanks :)
[15:10] <loppy> babble?
[15:10] <loppy> anyone?
[15:11] <loppy> grrrr!
[15:11] <knome> loppy, can we help you with a support question?
[15:12] <loppy> yes.
[15:13] <loppy> unban me from the offtopic!
[15:14] <knome> you are free to discuss that in -ops, it's offtopic here
[15:14] <loppy> it is??????
[15:19] <loppy> hi
[15:23] <loppy> hi baizon!
[15:26] <mneptok> loppy: there is no need to greet every single nick that /joins
[15:30] <baizon> hi loppy
[16:41] <Wizard> yo
[16:41] <Wizard> seems more and more users here :]
[17:24] <xubuntu946> hello
[17:27] <Wizard> hi xubuntu946
[17:27] <xubuntu946> hey Wizard
[17:28] <xubuntu946> I got a apt-get install question if you don't mind..
[17:32] <xubuntu946> I am trying to apt-get install irssi but I get a bunch of stuff that says E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[17:33] <xubuntu946> I never had this when I was using Ubuntu a few months back.
[17:33] <Unit193> Try   sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install -f; sudo apt-get install irssi
[17:35] <xubuntu946> ok, i'll try it now
[17:39] <Wizard> this should help
[17:40] <Wizard> actually, apt-get install -f alone should
[17:40] <Wizard> sorry for the delay ;]
[17:41] <Unit193> Well, outdated cache can be an issue as well.
[17:41] <xubuntu946> looks like it worked.  Thank you Unit193 and Wizard
[17:41] <Unit193> Great!
[17:41] <xubuntu946> new install
[17:49] <Wizard> hmm
[17:49] <Wizard> fresh install had such issue?
[17:49] <xubuntu946> yep just got it going
[17:49] <Wizard> that's strange
[17:49] <Wizard> 11.10?
[17:50] <orangeninja> ok I am xubuntu946, hey Unit193 !!
[17:50] <orangeninja> let me see
[17:51] <Unit193> Howdy.
[17:53] <orangeninja> yep Wizard
[17:53] <orangeninja> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[17:53] <orangeninja> Description:	Ubuntu 11.10
[17:55] <Wizard> hmm
[17:56] <Wizard> not good, I want to install xubuntu 11.10 tommorow on my work notebook
[18:02] <Unit193> Not an issue, all you have to do is apt-get update first, or else there are broken depends.
[18:12] <craigbass1976> When I log into a Unity / ubuntu session, I'm all set.  When I log into xfce, my laptop won't go to sleep after shutting the lid.  Screen goes dark, but everything is still running.  What'd I miss?
[18:13] <pleia2> craigbass1976: settings manager > power manager
[18:13] <GridCube> welp, if i dont understand things wrong, unity pretty much flops things up
[18:13] <pleia2> review settings in there to make it do what you want
[18:19] <craigbass1976> pleia2, what's the command?  I'm trying it from the menu, but there's a flicker of a window and nothing.  No idea what the error might be without a terminal
[18:20] <pleia2> let's see...
[18:20] <pleia2> xfce4-power-manager
[18:20] <pleia2> no
[18:20] <pleia2> xfce4-power-manager-settings
[18:21] <craigbass1976> pleia2, it wasn't running.  It's still not running
[18:22] <pleia2> sorry, xfce4-power-manager-settings is the command you run to launch the settings manager
[18:22] <craigbass1976> pleia2, oh, forget it.  Now It's running.  but I've seen this screen before
[18:30] <craigbass1976> pleia2, hey, I got it working.  THe power manager doesn't seem to be starting at boot though
[18:31] <pleia2> craigbass1976: under "session and startup" in the settings is it checked?
[18:32] <pleia2> in the "application autostart" tab
[18:41] <craigbass1976> pleia2, actually it is.  Hrmmmm
[18:42] <pleia2> craigbass1976: hm, not sure, might check in /var/log/daemon.log or /var/log/syslog to see if there are any notices about it that indicate why it's not starting
[18:42] <pleia2> craigbass1976: whatversion of xubuntu are you using?
[18:43] <craigbass1976> pleia2, there aren't two managers that will be fighting?  I'm on 12.04
[18:43] <pleia2> craigbass1976: ah, is the gnome power manager running?
[18:44] <pleia2> I'd submit a bug here: https://launchpad.net/xfce4-power-manager (include details from here, including that it is set to start up in settings)
[18:45] <craigbass1976> pleia2, I don't see it.
[18:46] <pleia2> I haven't seen that problem here, but if you submit a bug the devs can look into it and maybe get it fixed for you by release time
[18:54] <grifo74> hello how i install intel graphics card
[18:55] <grifo74> and opengl
[18:58] <Wizard> grifo74, works for me by default on asus eeepc and some "enterprise" asus with optimus (intel foreced in bios)
[18:59] <Sysi> about all intel cards should work by default, opengl too
[19:00] <genii-around> Some of the i810 are problemmatic, need composite enabled in xorg.conf
[19:00] <grifo74> i try to run stunt rally on my son pc and dont work
[19:00] <grifo74> how i enable
[19:01] <craigbass1976> pleia2, call me numb, but I don't see where to submit a bug...
[19:02] <grifo74> i go install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[19:03] <grifo74> and restar my pc i back in minutes
[19:05] <justanick> Hello, why does the xfce4-power-manager not see the ACPI powerbutton?
[19:07] <Wizard> not see?
[19:08] <Unit193> You should be able to configure that in keyboard shortcuts to power off.
[19:08] <justanick> The part for "What should happens if the power button is pressed is missing
[19:08] <Wizard> is acpid running/installed?
[19:09] <justanick> Also the XFCE session does not react on it. The shell without a running XFCE does and  shutdown the system
[19:09] <justanick> acpid is installed
[19:10] <justanick> And acpi_listen reacts on a powerbutton press
[19:10] <Wizard> strange
[19:11] <justanick> Xfce is runnig without lightdm. But that should not be the problem, or
[19:11] <justanick> ?
[19:11] <Wizard> no, it shouldn't
[19:13] <justanick> The power button is also missing in the xfce4-power-manager.xml
[19:14] <pleia2> craigbass1976: run this command: ubuntu-bug xfce4-power-manager
[19:16] <craigbass1976> pleia2, that's the only way?  Ok, I don't feel so dumb then for not seeign a link
[19:18] <pleia2> craigbass1976: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs has information about what the tool does
[19:18] <pleia2> it does some basic stuff like collecting information about your system that devs need to duplicate and diagnose the problem, searches the bug tracker to see if it's already been reported
[19:26] <justanick> Bye.
[19:28] <craigbass1976> pleia2, well, we'll see what happens.  I could probably write a script for now that would start it up, right?
[19:55] <cousteau> what's the default video player on xubuntu precise?  I'm checking what's installed by default
[19:56] <maoranma> Parole I believe
[19:56] <cousteau> and so far (apart from some programs I don't like much, such as abiword or leafpad), they look ok
[19:58] <looonger> is xubuntu xfce still so heavily gnome-dependent?
[19:58] <cousteau> e.g. Thunderbird, gThumb, XChat, Evince...  I would install those even if they weren't by default
[19:59] <cousteau> I'll probably get rid of Parole (or leave it installed but not use it) and use gnome-mplayer
[20:00] <cousteau> or VLC for the formats gnome-mplayer doesn't support very well
[20:07] <cousteau> well, I'll just wait for 12.04 to be released, and then download it, try it and install it
[20:07] <looonger> i can't wait for xfce 4.10
[20:07] <cousteau> for now...  where the hell are my repositories?  (using 10.10, they removed them before releasing 12.04 and they're not yet in old-releases)
[20:13] <cousteau> ...oh, they are still there
[20:14] <holstein> cousteau: you can run one locally for as long as you'd like
[20:15] <cousteau> holstein, yes, but without repositories you can't install stuff
[20:16] <cousteau> so I was kinda worried
[20:17] <holstein> cousteau: you can run your own repositories locally, and install what you like
[20:18] <cousteau> yeah, well, I'd need to get all repositories first
[20:18] <cousteau> (and also they must be huge)
[20:20] <holstein> cousteau: ifi you want to use 10.10 past EOL, you can though... canonnical just aint going to "foot the bill" much longer
[20:20] <holstein> cousteau: AFAIK, you can use a DVD... apt-on-cd or whatever
[20:21] <cousteau> well, my idea was to use the old-releases repositories (located on old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/), but maverick isn't there yet
[20:22] <cousteau> and I thought they had already removed the repos because I got a message that my version wasn't supported anymore
[20:25] <holstein> ive never used an OS past EOL and expected updates, so im not sure how that will work for you
[20:27] <Pici> If maverick isn't there yet that means its still on the main mirrors.
[20:27] <Pici> They don't always move it the day of EOL.
[20:32] <cousteau> holstein, well, I'm not expecting updates, only be able to install stuff
[20:33] <holstein> allow me to clarify... ive never used an OS past EOL and expected to "install stuff" from a repository someone else maintains
[20:34] <cousteau> where "someone else" is "canonical"?  or "the PPA of this guy"?
[20:34] <cousteau> *"this guy who has a PPA"
[20:35] <holstein> not me basically... i would expect to be on my own
[20:35] <cousteau> ok
[20:35] <holstein> i dont see any reason not to upgrade though using xubuntu
[20:36] <cousteau> Well, I once made a local repository for LibreOffice, because there wasn't a PPA yet and I didn't just want to install all the debs...  but it was complicated and unfulfilling
[20:36] <cousteau> well, having 10.10, I was planning on doing a clean install
[20:37] <holstein> cousteau: by whatever method you choose, i see no reason to stay back at 10.10
[20:38] <cousteau> well, I prefer to just wait for 12.04 to be released, so I kill 2 birds with 1 stone
[20:38] <cousteau> actually...  3 birds
[20:38] <cousteau> 3½, since I'd also move from Ubuntu to Xubuntu
[20:39] <holstein> sure... im just not sure why we are disscussing keeping 10.10 alive
[20:39] <cousteau> it's just a temporary solution
[20:43] <cousteau> what the...?  ants!
[20:43] <cousteau> brb, killing ants
[20:45] <pleia2> cousteau: try archive.ubuntu.com instead of old-releases
[20:53] <cousteau> pleia2, yeah, they're still there
[20:53] <cousteau> it's only that I thought they weren't
[20:59]  * cousteau uses vacuum cleaner...  it's kinda effectice
[21:00] <cousteau> AAWRGH!!  there was an ant in my sleeve!
[21:00] <cousteau> AND IT WAS ALIVE!!
[21:03] <pleia2> cousteau: can you move the vacuum and ant talk to #xubuntu-offtopic? :)
[21:04] <cousteau> yeah, the vacuum thing should have gone to another channel, sorry
[22:56] <xubuntu933> greeting, anyone available to help?
[22:56] <xubuntu933> greeting, anyone available to help?
[22:57] <Unit193> !ask
[22:58] <xubuntu933> i am trying xubunt 12.04 beta2. install minitube, however, no video, what should I do to get video
[22:59] <holstein> xubuntu933: i would try another browser... its like a flash issue.. however, flash cannot be officially supported, and 12.04 is supported in #ubuntu+1
[23:00] <holstein> its likely a flash issue*
[23:00] <Unit193> "Minitube does not require the Flash Player.", but that's about all I know of it.
[23:01] <holstein> yeah? someone else ws saying it did the other day in another channel..
[23:01] <Unit193> Alright, I don't doubt you.