[02:43] <duck_> hi
[02:45] <duck_> im very happy about lubuntu, i love it    its working like a charm there is only one thing:
[02:45] <duck_> the machine is hot
[02:46] <duck_> even if i dont do anything, process at 1%, fan loud, machine hot
[02:46] <Unit193> May be dusty.
[02:47] <duck_> battery is fast empty
[02:47] <duck_> on my windows partition everything is silent and cold
[02:47] <duck_> i found this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1943476&page=4
[02:48] <Unit193> 11.10 heated up faster, IIRC.
[02:48] <Unit193> If you wait about a week or so, 12.04 will be out and that's supposed to be better with that.
[02:48] <duck_> im having exactly the same prob as this guy there
[02:49] <duck_> yeah 5 days ?  :)
[02:49] <duck_> in ubuntu and xubuntu its cool too
[02:49] <Unit193> Did you follow what htat said to do?
[02:49] <Unit193> That's a bit odd.
[02:50] <duck_> ubuntu and xubuntu using the same kernel + settings?
[02:50] <duck_> as lubuntu?
[02:50] <Unit193> Same kernel, but as it is using a different DE.
[02:51] <duck_> might be also a bios problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/272530
[02:52] <duck_> as in the forum posted it might be a bios bug acpi support
[02:54] <duck_> i dont know about kernel backports ... is this one (3.3) a lack of security?
[02:54] <duck_> is it the kernel for precise?
[02:54] <Unit193> Should be.
[02:54] <duck_> when i do #sensors
[02:55] <duck_> with configurating it before i get only cpu core temp 1 and 2
[02:56] <duck_> i know my machine has more sensors like acceleration sensors
[02:56] <duck_> is this a hint for the wrong kernel and or bios?
[02:57] <duck_> which kernel version will precise be using?
[02:58] <Unit193> !info linux-image-generic precise
[02:58] <Unit193> Could just be that program doesn't search for what you are looking for.
[02:58] <duck_> yeah
[03:03] <duck_> so just to understand, please correct me if im wrong: kernel is same for all u/k/x/lubuntus, only difference is the gui, processor, power, fan controlling is ONLY a kernel-job so on the same machine with different ubuntu distributions should be more or less the same
[03:03] <duck_> ?
[03:04] <duck_> are there jobs running to controll processor out of the kernel?
[03:14] <duck_> will i still get security updates for the kernel when installing an backport?
[03:17] <duck_> is it better to use an older version of lubuntu (like 11.04) or always the newest 12.04? is    newer = less bugs? or   older = less bugs?
[03:18] <duck_> is it possible to know this?
[03:18] <Unit193> Generally the newer one is more updated, and there may be a bit different.
[03:21] <duck_> ok thank you ( i imagine you all busy typing for the release soon :)
[03:22] <Unit193> Heh, I'm testing out something else and listening to pandora while I do it.
[13:42] <Blutkoete> Hello
[13:45] <NQTropic> hi Blutkoete
[14:34] <Yorvyk> gilir: Correcting your English
[14:35] <Yorvyk> gilir:  Don't understand 'Default 32 bits images support more hardware than the Ubuntu image...'
[14:37] <gilir> Yorvyk, we use non-PAE, so it's working on more hardware than Ubuntu, which use PAE by default
[14:37] <gilir> and thanks for the corrections :)
[14:38] <JohnDoe_71Rus> in nautilus there is a badge for shutdown network share. Pcmanf of it isn't present
[14:39] <Yorvyk> gilir: OK,  I'll reword it so it makes more sense.  I f that's OK.
[14:40] <MrChrisDruif> Yorvyk; sure, go right ahead ^_^
[14:53] <duck_> hi
[14:53] <duck_> soon soon soon
[14:53] <MrChrisDruif> duck_; soon what?
[14:53] <duck_> :)  the relaease
[14:54] <duck_> i have a little question
[14:54] <MrChrisDruif> Soon you're brave enough to start using 12.04? ;-)
[14:54] <MrChrisDruif> Shoot
[14:54] <duck_> my machine is hot and loud and consuming lots of power
[14:54] <duck_> :) yes ur right
[14:54] <duck_> i tryed a lot of things
[14:55] <MrChrisDruif> Which version are you currently running? 11.04?
[14:55] <duck_> .
[14:55] <duck_> 11.10
[14:55] <duck_> as far as i know now it might be kernel or a bios problem
[14:55] <MrChrisDruif> (p.s. it's tried* not tryed (only wanting to help))
[14:55] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, right 11.10 is the latest stable
[14:55] <duck_> :) thx
[14:56] <duck_> yes thats it
[14:56] <duck_> so before updating my bios i'd like to give this a try: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/10/467
[14:57] <duck_> its a kernel patch
[14:57] <MrChrisDruif> The 3.0 kernel had a power bug in it afaik. I don't know if it's fixed in 3.2 (which is the kernel in 12.04
[14:58] <duck_> yes i heard about that ...  the thing is that im quite happy with 11.10, not buggy at all here only this heat is bothering me
[14:58] <MrChrisDruif> 12.04 is really stable afaict
[14:59] <duck_> as far as i know there is a fix in precise 3.3 (its emulating a windows to keep cool running with bios bugs)
[15:00] <duck_> ok that sounds nice
[15:01] <duck_> ...  to give the mentiond patch ( <--link) a try how can i do?
[15:01] <duck_> do u have a hint for me?
[15:01]  * MrChrisDruif doesn't alter kernels
[15:01] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry, can't help you there
[15:03] <duck_> do you know if its possible to use a precise kernel in 11.10 artwork?
[15:03] <MrChrisDruif> You don't like the 12.04 artwork? O_O
[15:04] <duck_> ;)
[15:05] <MrChrisDruif> But if you're wondering if you can get a precise kernel in a oneiric install, then I think the simple answer is no
[15:05] <JohnDoe_71Rus> i use ubuntu 10.04 and kernel 3.1.2
[15:05] <sagaci> or just install precise to get the precise kernel you're looking for
[15:05] <sagaci> no pun intended
[15:06] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe JohnDoe_71Rus can help you with installing a different release kernel duck_ ?
[15:07] <duck_> @JohnDoe_71Rus   how did you do ?
[15:07] <duck_> in my updates i cant see kernel versions to install
[15:07] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[15:08] <JohnDoe_71Rus> download then  sudo apt-get install *.deb
[15:09] <duck_> super!
[15:10] <duck_> do you know if there is a known limit? eg   can i go further then 3.1.2?  and do you get security updates for your kernel?
[15:10] <JohnDoe_71Rus> kernel is the kernel
[15:10] <duck_> :)
[15:11] <duck_> wisdom
[15:12] <duck_> tHAnK yOU VERY mUcH !!!!!!
[15:12] <duck_> i'll give this a try
[15:12] <JohnDoe_71Rus> if you need  security updates from 3.1.2 you install 3.1.2
[15:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> if you need 3.2.1 install 3.2.1
[15:13] <duck_> ?
[15:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> simple
[15:14] <MrChrisDruif> duck_; your <Shift> key seems wonky
[15:15] <duck_> ok e.g.  security update is an update of the kernel means newer versions have fixes included ...
[15:16] <JohnDoe_71Rus> yes
[15:16] <duck_> i understand   thank you! it's nice to learn and run deep into the shit
[15:18] <duck_> i'll give it a try ...  where can i report my fail / success? what is the common way to let the comunity know? to give a bit back what of what they helped me?
[15:21] <duck_> thAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnks!
[15:29] <duck_> i have one more question:  is it even possible to downgrade the kernel? if i installed 3.2  go back to 3.0 ?? do you know?
[16:34] <Papa-Smurf> Hello
[16:35] <Papa-Smurf> My wireless card is detected as ethernet???
[16:35] <bioterror> papa smurf!
[16:35] <bioterror> Papa-Smurf, sometimes that happens
[16:35] <Papa-Smurf> how can i solve it?
[16:35] <Papa-Smurf> bioterror, yes?
[16:35] <bioterror> is that a problem then?
[16:35] <bioterror> it doesnt work?
[16:35] <Papa-Smurf> they seems to use the same controler
[16:35] <Papa-Smurf> no
[16:35] <Papa-Smurf> it does not work
[16:35] <Papa-Smurf> :(
[16:36] <Papa-Smurf> they wired card works fine but the system does not recognize any wireless card
[16:36] <bioterror> can you pastebin: lspci |grep ethernet
[16:36] <bioterror> sorry
[16:36] <bioterror> |grep Ethernet
[16:36] <Papa-Smurf> and one supposes to be wireless
[16:37] <bioterror> with the capital E
[16:37] <Papa-Smurf> sure
[16:37] <Papa-Smurf> http://pastebin.com/4SahKMjk
[16:39] <bioterror> that's kinda weird as it's shown twice the same
[16:39] <Papa-Smurf> yes :(
[16:39] <Papa-Smurf> both are PCI cards
[16:40] <Papa-Smurf> the wireless card has a led on
[16:41] <Papa-Smurf> is it possible that the wireless card has not been recognized at all?
[16:41] <bioterror> possible
[16:41] <bioterror> you know the card?
[16:41] <bioterror> chipset?
[16:41] <Papa-Smurf> no idea
[16:43] <Papa-Smurf> let me show you a lspci -v
[16:44] <Papa-Smurf> http://pastebin.com/nz5964ey
[16:45] <bioterror> your pastebin can be found from google :D
[16:47] <bioterror> ZyXEL FN312 is a ethernet card
[16:48] <bioterror> seems like they are both recognized as a ethernet cards?
[16:50] <Papa-Smurf> yes
[16:50] <Papa-Smurf> but it isn't
[16:51] <Papa-Smurf> well
[16:51] <Papa-Smurf> maybe ZyXEL is the ethernet
[16:51] <Papa-Smurf> and Realtek the wifi
[16:51] <bioterror> you tell us
[16:51] <bioterror> open case and look ;)
[16:51] <bioterror> and write up the chipsets
[16:51] <bioterror> it helps a lot
[16:54] <Papa-Smurf> yes bioterror it is the only thing i can do :)
[16:54] <Papa-Smurf> well see you back
[17:34] <Blutkoete> Is there a reason that obconf isn't included in Lubuntu 12.04 Beta? Something I should know like "makes your Netbook explode" or "has been replaced by something better"? I want to change the number of workspaces, just want to make sure obconf doesn't break anything if I install it.
[17:36] <bioterror> Blutkoete, reported
[17:36] <Blutkoete> Pardon?
[17:37] <bioterror> it has been reported
[17:37] <bioterror> !bug #967348
[17:37] <Blutkoete> Ah, thank you, I see it now.
[17:37] <Blutkoete> Google first, ask later. Sorry.
[17:38] <bioterror> tap that it affects you too ,)
[17:38] <Blutkoete> I'll do that :)
[17:38] <bioterror> oh well
[17:38] <bioterror> gilir has fixed it already
[17:38] <bioterror> wrote on 2012-04-13: #3
[17:38] <bioterror> It seems to be fixed today, it appears now in the manifest : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/precise-desktop-i386.manifest and in the installed system of the daily-live ISO.
[17:38] <Blutkoete> That's good news
[17:41] <Blutkoete> It's great that the Lubuntu team fixes my problems even before I notice them :)
[17:48] <Papa-Smurf> hi
[17:48] <Papa-Smurf> I get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Input/output error" when trying ifconfig wlan0 up ¿? does anyone knows a cause?
[18:40] <jerli> hi there...
[19:44] <ramiroec> hi people
[19:44] <ramiroec> just a question
[19:44] <ramiroec> where i can get a newer version than Lubuntu_12.04 beta 2?
[19:45] <ramiroec> something like current or Relace Candidate
[19:47] <ramiroec> any suggestion ;)
[19:47] <bioterror> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/
[19:47] <bioterror> for example
[19:48] <ramiroec> great! thanks
[19:48] <bioterror> those are alternatives then
[19:48] <bioterror> text based installers
[19:49] <ramiroec> perfect
[19:49] <ramiroec> I just want to test, and report bugs
[19:50] <bioterror> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/ these are desktop ones
[19:51] <ramiroec> lets see, the new lubutu will have: abiword_2.9.2+svn20120213
[19:51] <ramiroec> i think its ok
[20:04] <KM0201> libreoffice ftw!
[20:05] <KM0201> i don't like abiword.. it jacks up the formatting on documents i've made in LO or OO.
[20:06] <KM0201> if the documents are made in abiword, they seem to be ok
[20:07] <bioterror> KM0201, mostly I open documents made by ms office ;)
[20:07] <bioterror> and even libreoffice has problems with them
[20:07] <KM0201> bioterror: yeah, i agree.. most of the time when I open Office documents though, they usually are pretty good.
[20:08] <bioterror> formattings other small things gets ruined
[20:10] <KM0201> ya
[20:38] <raphaelle> Hi all, is there a way to set system volume above 100% in lubuntu, as it is possible in Ubuntu ?
[20:39] <KM0201> raphaelle: above 100%?
[20:39] <KM0201> hmm,
[20:40] <bioterror> sorry, but lubuntu does not go to the eleven ;)
[20:40] <bioterror> but you can open alsamixer (right click the volume icon ,)
[20:41] <bioterror> and check if you have pcm and master topped
[20:43] <KM0201> bioterror: i know pulseaudio will let you go to like 150-200%,
[20:44] <KM0201> but i'm not sure how to do that w/ alsa
[20:44] <bioterror> hard to understand how something can go 150-200% :D
[20:44] <bioterror> but maybe it has a logic somewhere
[20:44] <Unit193> Simple, overclip like crazy!!
[20:45] <KM0201> lol
[20:48] <raphaelle> btw it is simple on ubuntu : the sound icon let choose up to 200%, like on VLC player : very handy for poor laptop sound cards !
[20:49] <Unit193> Yeah, but when you do it in VLC, it's clipped and you can tell. (But no other way to do it)
[20:51] <ramiroec> ubuntu have this for volume over 100%:
[20:51] <ramiroec> http://voyhere.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/Screenshot-Sound-Preferences.png
[20:52] <bioterror> :D
[20:52] <raphaelle> thanks ramiroec : this is exactly what I meant, and what I would like to find in lubunut...
[20:53] <raphaelle> lubuntu :/
[23:13] <anotherchatzilla> hey all tough situation...  i am running an old PPC g5/leopard.  i just installed vpc 7, and i tried to boot the newest lubuntu.  no dice, but the last lts 10.04 boots.  only prob is that after i select install it brings me to a destop with an icon in the upper right to install lubuntu.  i guess i'm supposed to click it.  only problem is that i can't seem to move the mouse inisde this...
[23:13] <anotherchatzilla> ...virtual machine.  the keyboard works and i can bring up the run command with contrl f2...   is there a run command i can use to kick the lubuntu installer open>?
[23:13] <anotherchatzilla> or a way to use the keyboard to move the mouse?
[23:16] <anotherchatzilla> all i need to do apparently is use the keyboard to select the desktop icon "install Lubuntu 10.04" and open it...can't move teh mouse
[23:16] <Unit193> You can hit Ctrl+esc and nav the Application Menu.
[23:17] <Unit193> You can also open a terminal and type ubiquity to start the installer, should be anyway.
[23:18] <anotherchatzilla> hmm..trying
[23:20] <anotherchatzilla> wow looks liek i got the installer open...lets see how this goes