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caravelhi there, apt-get updating from beta2, spotted this - anything to worry about ?00:11
caravelTraitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « ufw »...00:11
caravelWARN: uid is 0 but '/' is owned by 99900:11
caravelnb: that's a *liveusb* system, if this matters00:12
pangolin!schedule00:47
bazhang!schedule00:47
ubottuA schedule of Precise Pangolin (12.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule00:47
bazhangheh00:47
pangolinI win!00:47
pangolin:)00:47
bazhangedward_, call it!00:47
pangolinedward_, which was first, ME or bazhang00:48
pangolin?00:48
Daekdroompangolin00:48
* pangolin sends Daekdroom a cookie00:49
* Daekdroom devours the cookie00:49
edward_my screen says pangolin ;)00:50
pangolinwoohoo00:50
bazhang:/00:50
* pangolin sends edward_ a cookie00:50
edward_fyi I had that open before I asked it00:50
jokerdinoyes it is the p00:50
edward_I had read the RC was due yesterday in my timezone ;)00:51
DaekdroomThe RC is a lie.,00:51
edward_I might get a daily as I want something after the kernel freeze00:51
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ms-daisyYay! cletus is here :)01:28
cleatusI noticed that when I installed Ubuntu 12.04 beta, the tab directory on left hand side of screen does not hide like it used to on the prior version/s, how do I fix this? thanks.01:29
cleatusYay01:29
MestreLionwelcome cleatus :)01:29
bazhang!bug | cleatus01:29
ubottucleatus: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.01:29
cleatus:)01:29
bazhangcleatus, file a bug for it01:29
bazhangsee above01:29
cleatusOk I will file bug report. thanks01:29
cleatusI will keep y'all entertained later if I can't get this right, thanks everyone. peace01:30
ChogyDanso, Im upgrading to oneiric from a recently upgraded to precise, and the upgrade ran into a full stop type issue02:01
ChogyDanThis installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package python-minimal due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option.02:01
ChogyDanE: Internal Error, Could not early remove python-minimal02:01
ChogyDanshould... I... care...?  In the past, I just through install commands till things put themselves back together, but that wouldn't "help the greater good by reporting this bug"02:02
ChogyDano wells, hammering through.  ttfn02:08
ChogyDanok, Im actually stuck  :(   I can't deal w/ python-minimal02:11
caravelChogyDan: not sure if this will help you, but I just apt-get upgraded from beta2 fresh install, and spotted somw warning about a conflict between python-minimal and pythonX.X-minimal packages02:12
caravelChogyDan: update went fine on this side, thou02:12
ChogyDanyeah, I think Im getting the same issue.  It is stopping my upgrade02:12
caravelChogyDan: so, I suspect a little error in packaging/deps02:13
caravelChogyDan: (that was a couple of hours ago)02:13
ChogyDancaravel: and... there doesn't seem to be much building...02:14
caravelChogyDan: note that from beta2, force wan't required -- just a warning, autosolved I assume02:14
ChogyDancaravel: I tried to force it, dpkg flat out refused02:14
caravelChogyDan: well, it's pretty late all around the western hemisphere now :) A frepo ix before tomorrow would surprise me02:15
caravelrepo*02:15
caravelrepo fix02:15
caravelI'd have a question too...02:16
caravelIs the LiveCD supposed to be fully upgradable ? I attempted that and ended it with a working system after a first reboot, then powered off and since then do have the legendary no system found error02:17
ChogyDanI think Im gona take it to devel-discuss mailing list02:17
ChogyDanhow would you upgrade the livecd?02:17
caravelnote, I did *not* attempt a dist-upgrade, just accepted all updates from a standard apt-get upgrade02:17
caravelChogyDan: I'm not quite sure what's the limit of the fusioned cowfs thingy :)02:18
caravelSorry, it's a LiveUSB, "technically"02:19
caravel(on a 4GB pen drive, generated from beta2 LiveCD's GUI tool for this)02:19
caravelupdate went fine -- apparently -- besides some Warning I spotted reviwing the output :02:20
caravelTraitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « ufw »...02:20
caravelWARN: uid is 0 but '/' is owned by 99902:20
caravelSo I assume it was ufw related, and can't see any relation with disk layout/boot loader...02:21
leejohnhi good day guys, I have NVS 240 + triple monitor setup, does xinerama works now with composite extension?02:24
ChogyDanI suspect that you want a pendrive install rather than a live install.  I didn't think live installs were meant to be upgraded, but I dunno really02:24
leejohnany multiple monitor user out there?02:25
caravelChogyDan: yes, I agree -- But well, I didn't even expect it, but things like ssh service install and conf *were* persistent, so were some more package install02:26
caravelChogyDan: however, root password was lost I think02:26
ChogyDancaravel: that isn't good02:27
caravelWhat I can't explain, is that first reboot was fine ^^02:27
caravelthere were around 400MB free still in cowfs after upgrade02:27
caravelleejohn: not sure, yes I'm using 2 monitors on a regular basis on an nVidia GeForce 8600M (laptiop) on Fedora 16 KDE and had no issue02:29
caravel(I'm using the proprietary driver as packaged by rpmfusion, community)02:30
caravelleejohn: (and the so called "TwinView" mode)02:31
leejohncaravel: well my setup requires to use xinerama because of 3 vertical position monitors02:31
leejohncaravel: twinview is working but my setup requires for 3 vertical monitors with xinerama enabled.02:31
caravelleejohn: never tried, sorry ^^02:32
leejohncaravel: if xinerama was enabled composite extension is disabled therefore no acceleration02:32
caravelI see02:32
leejohnthey said in precise this will be improved and the release is fast approaching but i didn't see any improvement on this area02:33
caravelleejohn: nVidia has joined Linux Foundation recently ^^ maybe they're gonna start opening up or providing better drivers at least. Lots of naive hope here :D02:34
leejohncaravel: hehhe, but I think the problem is has something to do with xorg limitation02:34
leejohncaravel: fyi, we roll out 110 ubuntu workstation for a trading station in my company.02:35
caravelleejohn: well, so far from my experience here its very very poor and basic, even with TwinView I mean. Other cards behave great with Xrandr cf orientation etc02:35
caravel"anyway" :) good luck leejohn02:36
leejohncaravel: heheh, thanks a lot02:36
ChogyDanhey, how do I set the screen saver on precise?02:36
haz3lnutChogyDan: I think you still have to install xscreensaver02:40
ChogyDanhmmm, I got it working02:43
ChogyDanturns out, removing python-minimal wasn't so bad: sudo dpkg --remove --force-all python-minimal; sudo apt-get install -f02:44
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ajnrHi every one ,  Since I removed Ubuntu 11.04 and installed 11.10 , it is a disaster: nearly everyday in  my system I am logged out automatically and all my unsaved documents are lost. after that I upgraded my system 12.04LTS but still the problem exists ! how to solve the matter plz help me  out !02:59
ChogyDanajnr: I would start by checking some logs.  dmesg for starters.  Then maybe poke around in /var/log    anything to do with gdm or login03:01
ChogyDanajnr: that's just me, I've no relevant expertise03:01
ajnrChogyDan, So whats to do from my side !03:02
ChogyDan?03:02
dreamwaveneed some help with upgradinf from 11.10 to 12.0403:02
ChogyDango on03:02
dreamwavewhen I start upgrading with upgrade-manager -d03:02
Lint01my color applet does not work03:03
dreamwaveupdate-manager03:03
dreamwaveI get an error message03:03
Lint01i add my monitor profile and nothing happen03:03
ChogyDanhey folks, try to put your whole issue in one line03:04
dreamwaveim wthe upgrade has aborted03:04
dreamwavea recovery will run now ..03:04
dreamwaveand then nothing happens03:04
ChogyDanajnr: for starters, why not try what I would do03:04
ChogyDandreamwave: wana take a huge risk?03:04
dreamwaveChogyDan, sure, I've backed up everything important03:04
ChogyDandreamwave: sudo dpkg --remove --force-all python-minimal; sudo apt-get install -f03:05
ajnrChogyDan, What to do & how to do ?03:05
dreamwaveChogyDan, what should I expect after this03:05
ChogyDanajnr: run dmesg, look for errors03:05
ChogyDandreamwave: restart update-manager, partial upgrade, and it works03:05
dreamwaveok lets see ..03:05
dreamwaveok, shit started happening03:07
ChogyDanyep, I just worked through this.  Posted a message on devel-discuss about it03:08
ajnrChogyDan, http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/lelB0Zzm this is the result of dmesg , now i am not able to understand what to do03:09
dreamwaveinstalling the packages03:09
dreamwaveworked , thanks ChanServ03:09
dreamwaveoops03:09
ChogyDandreamwave: I assume by ChanServ, you meant God, and by God you meant me  :p03:10
dreamwavefo shizzle03:10
dreamwave:D03:10
ChogyDanajnr: did you run this after the error happened?03:10
ajnryes03:11
ajnrChogyDan, yes03:11
ChogyDanajnr: well, I don't see anything there myself03:11
ajnrChogyDan, :(03:12
ChogyDanajnr: maybe check out Xorg.0.log in /var/log03:13
ChogyDanajnr: you know, I have no idea where gdm logs might be03:14
ajnrChogyDan, same here03:14
ajnrChogyDan,   is this problem is same exists if i fresh install 12.04 or it is only if i upgrade from one version to another version !03:17
ChogyDanajnr: no idea03:17
WilsonBradleyAnyone know what player can play back .av files in Linux?03:31
holsteinWilsonBradley: i would try VLC03:33
ChogyDanis it final draft?03:33
WilsonBradleyI think that's what it's ref. to as03:34
WilsonBradleyit's a video format03:34
ChogyDanhttp://support.finaldraft.com/article.aspx?cid=1001&aid=113503:35
ChogyDanlol, I think that answer is funny03:35
WilsonBradleyThanks.. That sucks..03:40
WilsonBradleyI can't believe there isn't a Linux player for it03:40
holsteinWilsonBradley: nothing about linux prevents *anyone* from makind a player that will support whatever needs supported03:41
WilsonBradleyIm surprised no one hasn't had the need03:41
WilsonBradleyin Linux03:42
ChogyDanWilsonBradley: well, someone asked that question, and the answer was no03:44
holsteinWilsonBradley: doesnt matter if you have the need, if its not open, and the vendor doesnt supporte it, it cant be there03:45
ChogyDanWilsonBradley: Im not telling you to do this, but "install a pirated copy of windows and a pirated copy of final draft on a virtual machine"03:45
holsteini say, vote with your wallet03:46
holsteinpurchase what you need, and dont buy/use things that dont work for you03:46
WilsonBradleyThanks for the tip. Ya, right now I am running a AV playback Windows app in Wine03:46
WilsonBradleychoppy03:46
DreamWaveHey.. i was installing 12.04 earlier (updating from 11.10) and i had to shut down in the middle of the package install... the question is. . Did I fuck up my ubuntu? Hadnt had a chance to boot it up again..04:31
holsteinDreamWave: i would want to fresh install.. but i think its so much faster anyways04:32
DreamWaveI got some work in there ill have to back up..04:35
holsteinDreamWave: you should back up *before* trying any upgrades like that04:35
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scar3crowwow, I'm really impressed with unity06:13
scar3crownice job guys06:13
billrd4Hello06:39
ttl-when i add a new VPN connection to network-manager everything is ok,  the next time i login the vpn disappeared from the network-manager menu, i can still see it in 'edit connections'06:39
ttl-renaming the connection does not make the VPN menu item reappear...06:41
ttl-i'm also able to use the VPN connection from system settings > network06:44
ttl-it just doesn't show up in network manager06:44
phibxrHas Alt+Tab been updated to only switch between windows on your current desktop recently?06:48
jokerdinophibxr:  yes, it has been like that for a whlie in 12.0406:48
jokerdinobut you can change it if necessary06:49
phibxrjokerdino, just didn't notice it until now. I guess I'll get used to it. :)06:49
jokerdinogreat :)06:50
jokerdinoyou do have an option to change it.06:50
scar3crowcan anyone help me with proprietary intel video drivers?06:57
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MechanisMhi how to remove hud? I see it processes and it's eats around 50mb ram while I'm not using it at all. I don't need it08:01
MechanisMhow to remove HUD?08:10
Edicohi08:46
Edicohow can I upgrade a serries of packages?08:47
arandHow do you mean?08:48
EdicoI receive an information The problem cannot be reported: You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs: fontconfig, fontconfig-config, initramfs-tools, initramfs-tools-bin, libfontconfig1, libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0, libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common, libpango1.0-0, librsvg2-2, librsvg2-common, multiarch-support08:49
astraljavaWon't obsolete packages be removed with dist-upgrade?08:50
arandNo the "obsolete" in this case just implies "outdated"08:52
arandEdico: Run a standard upgrade?08:52
arandupadate-manager / "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade"08:53
Edicothanks08:55
gogetano'08:55
gogeta:-D08:55
Edicostill I have avatar faces on youtube08:57
gogetanice08:57
Edicothe people faces when I watch clips on youtube are blue08:57
Edicobut only on youtube08:58
gogetasounds like a gl overlay issue08:58
bazhangEdico, full screen the flash, turn off hw acceleration08:58
jussithis is strange, I dont have an oxygen style anymore...08:58
Edicobazhang, it works without hardware acceleration!09:03
Edicono blue faces09:03
bazhangEdico, ok09:03
Edicobut it's fine without hw acceleration?09:03
bazhangyes09:04
Edicobazhang, thanks09:04
bazhangnp09:04
Artemis3Edico, is that the nvidia driver?09:04
scar3crowcan someone please point me in the right direction to install oracle java709:06
bazhang!java | scar3crow09:07
ubottuscar3crow: To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software  Development Kit" (SDK).  Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations.09:07
bazhangscar3crow, check that link09:07
scar3crowty09:07
agamemnonzHi all; I have been using Ubuntu for some years now and am quite comfortable with it. I just got a new laptop and am going to install Ubuntu on it, but I'm not sure whether I should install 11.10 or 12.04 Beta 2. I need to install Ubuntu today so I can't wait till the 26th for the release of 12.04. I currently want to install 11.10 and format on the 26th and install 12.04, because I think a clean install is better and the upgrad09:16
agamemnonzAre these thoughts correct or should I just install 11.10 or even 12.04 Beta 2 and upgrade when 12.04 is released?09:16
lizzini can't seem to find a good doc for getting 12.04 to recognize my tv connected via the mini display port on a mbp. what is the trick to getting this to work?09:22
agamemnonzany tips on my question above?09:33
gogetalizzin: plug it in?09:33
gogetalizzin: on my laptop i have to go to monoters and turn it on09:34
gogetalizzin: for some resion my hotkey will only turn off my laptops display not switch09:35
lizzingogeta: "go to monitors"?09:44
lizzingogeta: i have it plugged it but can't see that it is even being detected09:45
gogetalizzin: yea monoter settings it should be listed as a second one09:45
gogetalizzin: just need to tell it to use it09:45
lizzingogeta: you mean, settings -> displays?09:46
gogetalizzin: yea09:46
lizzingogeta: yea, it is not showing anything.09:47
lizzingogeta: i click 'detect displays' and nothing changes. just shows 'laptop'09:47
lizzingogeta: any ideas?09:47
gogetalizzin: what video card it may need a driver09:47
lizzinit's an nvidia09:49
lizzinlooking up exact model,..09:49
gogetalizzin: get te nivida drivers if you have not aruldy i dont think the oss driver supports tv out09:49
lizzingogeta: would people mind if i paste 5 lines in here?09:50
gogetabot will probly get you09:50
bazhanglizzin, paste bin it09:50
bazhang!paste09:50
ubottuFor posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.09:50
bazhanglizzin, ^09:50
lizzinhttp://pastebin.com/PediRc3509:51
lizzinthat looks promising09:51
scar3crowomgosh that was hard09:53
lizzingogeta: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 330M] (rev a2)10:00
lizzingogeta: how do i determine if others and which drivers are needed to make this work?10:01
gogetalizzin: you just need to install the nivida  driver it should be in the repos if it has not asked you yet10:03
gogetalizzin: i think you go to drivers and it should say it has one for the card10:03
lizzingogeta: well it did ask me to install 'nvidia accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (version current-updates)"10:04
gogetalizzin: i dont use unity so i cant say where10:04
gogetalizzin: ok10:04
gogetalizzin: have you tryed using the nivida controle panel10:04
gogetalizzin: i think for those card you turn it on from there10:04
lizzingogeta: what do you mean?10:05
lizzinthe driver is activated10:05
gogetalizzin: if your using the closed driver you should have a contole panel ap10:05
gogetaapp10:05
lizzingogeta: oh wow, now we're getting somewhere!10:07
lizzingogeta: so i found the 'nvidia x server settings' app10:07
lizzinand it shows a disabled samsung and an apple display10:08
lizzingogeta: looks like i just need to restart x to enable this10:08
gogeta:)10:08
lizzinit works!10:09
lizzingogeta: thank you10:09
scar3crowhmmmm xbmc is kinda nifty :)10:10
gogetaxbmc is win10:10
scar3crowlol10:11
gogetalizzin: yea nividas use a diffrent ap but same result my intel just uses the stock one gotta love my craptastic gma10:13
lizzingogeta: how do you go about sending audio over your display port?10:18
lizzinnvm10:18
gogetalizzin: if its hdmi it should have it10:18
lizzinjust had to go to system->sound10:18
gogetaah10:18
lizzini can't believe how much is just working out of the box10:19
gogetalizzin: not  mitch does not these days other then 3g modems10:19
gogetamutch10:19
lizzini haven't used linux in years. the simplest thing used to require so much configuring10:19
gogetalizzin: linux has been that way for a bit now10:30
coz_hey guys, been in an out for this past many monts,, used to be  gdm restart when going to text console to get back to desktop,, what is it now?10:38
gogetalightdm i bevele10:38
gogetabeleve10:39
airtonixsudo service lightdm restart10:52
topyliso i can't either upgrade or uninstall of fix the 'python3' metapackage, i've successfully broken the system and will never have an up to date precise. this makes me sad10:59
bekksDont you have a backup?10:59
jussitopyli: and apt-get install -f doesnt help?11:00
topylinope, apt itself stumbles before it gets to work11:00
jussiand have you tried removing it manually with dpkg ?11:01
topyliyep11:01
topylithis is apt-get -f install: http://paste.ubuntu.com/939485/11:02
inflexhiya folks, having serious video performance issues with 12.04 on my ATi gfx card on an AMD 7550 dual-core box... seems to be only in some apps though, other apps are fine.11:03
topylihere's dpkg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/939486/11:03
inflexwhen I move the contents or window (eg, here on Xchat), you get the slow redraw so it gives a tearing/shearing effect.11:03
inflexused to run 100% blisteringly good11:03
jussitopyli: and a reinstall from the deb? :)11:05
* inflex thinks it's tring to load/use the nVidia driver (which is for the disabled onboard VGA) rather than the ATi one11:06
topylijussi: let me see11:06
inflex(at least according to the log file)11:07
topylijussi: no, same error from dpkg11:07
topylitime to study some debian documentation i suppose11:07
jussiinflex: tried reinstalling the ati driver?11:08
topylifailing that, i'm sure jussi will tell me how to (re)install linux on a macbook :)11:08
jussilol11:09
jussithats gonna be a bunch of fail11:09
topylioh no i wouldn't want a bunch of that :)11:09
topylimeh, i'll survive for a few days while i get some work done. i just can't upgrade or install anything11:10
inflexjussi: yes, via the simpler methods  but fails... trying now with the driverdirect download from ATi andbuilding etc11:11
jussiinflex: hang on, Im tryign to remember the command, but you can reconfigure the driver perhaps "aticonfig" iirc11:12
airtonixanyone got a working Marvell 88SE6145 SATA II PCI-E controller with ubuntu 11.10 or 12.0411:12
inflexyes, there is aticonfig, but at this point it doesn't seem to be doing the magic for me... will try smething else as well while I wait for the 100MB download11:12
inflexjussi: there is the aticonfig --initial11:15
inflexjussi: will see how thatgoes after this download is done11:15
jussiinflex: :)11:15
inflex(and then of course amdcccle11:15
user82hi. i am sure not the first to ask, but: can i change the launcher's behaviour so it gets automatically hidden only if needed(like in the last ubuntu)?11:16
yeatsuser82: install compizconfig-settings-manager and use the Unity Plugin to manage it11:17
user82thank you yeats11:17
user82myunity did not help me so far ;)11:17
user82yeats if i have "autohide" it hides _always_ also if there would be space for it(no window etc)?11:19
inflexAnyone finding that U12.04 is coming up with a lot of crashes with the underlying system that it keeps wanting to report?11:22
bekksinflex: It doesnt, here.11:23
yeatsuser82: correct - the "dodge windows" behavior available in 11.10 appears to be gone11:23
gnomefreaknor here11:23
scar3crowwas getting your problem yesterday inflex11:23
scar3crowstill a bit11:24
scar3crowbut reasonably stable11:24
inflexscar3crow: yeah, seems to have eased off today ( I saw about 300MB of updates come through )11:24
gnomefreakonly issues i have is no sound in terminal and not shutting don11:24
user82true yeats...but google and "dodge windows" gives me help11:24
user82thanks for the correct term of what i meatn11:24
inflexscar3crow: I'm on OpenBox + lxpanel, so I don't haveall the Unity or fallback stuff running11:24
scar3crowok11:25
yeatsuser82: I'm sure there's a blog tutorial on how to hack it ;-)11:25
scar3crow(why not?)11:25
inflexscar3crow: why don't I run Unity or fallback?11:25
scar3crowyeah11:25
user82it got filed as bug many times..because even if intentionally meant to be...it is a awful bug11:25
inflexscar3crow: never had the need - come from running X in the early 1990's so I'm quite used to and finewith very minimalistic WM/DM setups11:26
scar3crowk11:26
inflexscar3crow: everything is setup on key-bindings so it's all quick and plenty of screen realestate.11:26
scar3crowheh11:26
scar3crowI like the bling... that Unity brings11:26
inflexscar3crow: I do like what the bling offers, but I ultimately tire from it and end up back with the minimalised setup11:27
inflexStill, the lxpanel offers about my level of "bling" :)11:27
scar3crowI use gnome for gaming :-/11:27
scar3crowis there a bettwe way to game, I wonder...11:28
scar3crowhey can I game from tty?11:30
bekks?11:31
guest-oGUPhSI've updated yesterday, now when I enter into my session after enter the password, the screen goes black and then another time it shows the login screen11:31
carli2hi11:33
guest-oGUPhSscar3crow, yes type aptitude moo11:33
guest-oGUPhSand aptitude -v moo11:33
carli2I want to change the resolution with ubuntus randr client and: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Keine derartige Schnittstelle »org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.XRANDR_2« des Objekts im Pfad /org/gnome/SettingsDaemon/XRANDR11:34
scar3crowmoo?11:34
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scar3crow!moo11:34
scar3crowok you guys are just messing with me11:37
inflexWow, this catalyst driver-source download is as slow as my display is atm :(11:38
scar3crowI didn't even open a term11:39
scar3crowboo11:39
arianithi I'm trying to upgrade to 12.04 via update-manager -d, but no update option is offered in the launched update manager. see some errors here http://pastie.org/382692911:40
scar3crowdon't be mean to me please..... I try to help as best as I can11:41
scar3crowarianit: sudo do-release-upgrade11:42
arianitscar3crow, No new release found11:43
scar3crowwow11:43
inflexI do have to say - when it is working, 12.04 does look a lot cleaner/nicer than 11.1011:44
yeatsarianit: the errors you pasted are not related to the (non-)upgrade, FYI - they're just gtk errors11:44
yeatsarianit: what release are you running?11:44
arianityeats, my feeling as well11:44
arianit11.1011:45
scar3crowsudo do-release-upgrade -d11:45
arianitscar3crow, same thing Checking for a new ubuntu release11:46
arianitNo new release found11:46
scar3crowbummer11:46
scar3crowd/l iso... burn, insert?11:47
scar3crow:P11:47
arianittrying to avoid that, could there be an issue with repositories?11:47
scar3crowthere is a command... do devel release or something11:48
scar3crowI'm being lazy..... google it11:48
carli2help!11:49
carli2there is some chinese language11:49
carli2i did not install this language, i cannot read whats standing there11:49
carli2it's only the language settings infected11:49
scar3crowsudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release11:52
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gnomefreakyou cant just use -d?11:59
scar3crowapparently not12:00
gnomefreakyeah i just saw that in --help12:01
gnomefreakyes you can use -d12:01
scar3crowok12:01
gnomefreak-d, --devel-release   Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is possible12:02
arianitscar3crow, gnomefreak  No, same thing. I reverted to the default sources list via command line but no luck. Sources list via GUI doesn't open anywhere. only via text editing I can see it.12:10
Jacohi all.12:35
Jacoi install 12.04 beta 2 today,but it's running slowly,does it normal?12:36
penguin42Jaco: Can you describe which bit is slow - everything or somthing in particular?12:37
Jacopenguin42: everything..12:38
penguin42Jaco: Hmm it shouldn't be that slow - what's the spec of your machine?12:39
Jacobecause it's still a beta version,so working slowly?12:39
scar3crowrunning a wubi install of 12.04 on an older machine.... lightning fast, Jaco12:40
Jacoreally? maybe my machine should have a check...12:41
scar3crowperhaps12:41
scar3crow my quad core rig ran it slowly... hd was failing12:42
JacoOMG..12:42
scar3crowyeah12:43
scar3crowI'm only running a celeron atm and it's fast enough ;)12:43
penguin42Jaco: It's very close to release now, shouldn't be a beta-ism12:44
Jacoyea,but i installed the beta version last week12:46
Jacoi don't like unity..12:47
GnarlyBobthat seems to be a fairly common sentiment12:47
penguin42Jaco: Well, you can try Kde, gnome-shell, xfce, or install things like Mate from other repos12:48
GnarlyBobI've been away from recent linux distributions for ~3 years, stuck with a grungy old RHEL VM at work, recently bought a beefy box for linux and what a shock to see not only unity, but gnome312:49
penguin42GnarlyBob: Yeh it's a bit of a shock for us old timers12:50
MrChrisDruifHi guys, I've got a small issue: after using the mini ISO to only install GNOME Shell with 12.04 (using LightDM as DM) I can't get it to log in, any thoughts?12:51
MrChrisDruifP.s.: I used a cable during install and afterwards configured my wireless, might this be conflicting? (It mentions waiting on network configuration during booting)12:52
penguin42shouldn't stop the login12:52
penguin42MrChrisDruif: Does lightdm come up and prompt for the password?12:53
MrChrisDruifI tried yesterday or maybe even the day before, but eventually LightDM comes and prompts for password. After that it hangs12:54
MrChrisDruifIf I remember correctly12:54
penguin42hmm perhaps best to try again and just get exactly what happens - does it let you type the password in? What happens next - does it return to the login screen or just stop? If it stops can you still move the mouse?12:55
MrChrisDruifIt hangs on verifying afair, I can still switch to tty1-7 (7 is where lightdm is of course)12:57
MrChrisDruifI can still move the move, it gives some kind of message above my password field12:58
MrChrisDruifI don't know how long you plan to stay on the channel, but I've got to do some groceries. After that I could boot to my install and use tty1 or something with irssi to tell what happens13:00
penguin42MrChrisDruif: Try logging in on the text console and look at the logs, I'll be around for a few hours - although I may pop out13:05
MrChrisDruifpenguin42; I should be back within 30 minutes or something13:06
paranoidiI made beta2 installation to new drive (ubuntu fucked up old installation somehow so badly it doesn't even boot to single user mode) .. however after the installation and boot the screen is just filled with garbage (I assume grub2)13:06
paranoidi*server installation13:07
paranoidiI think there's some sort of prompt there, enter produces new identical garbage line13:07
oCeanparanoidi: control your language here, please13:07
paranoidioCean well, that's what it did and ruined my weekend ;P13:12
carnaugot a bug with the last update. I have my entire /home with ecryptfs, but seems that updating ecryptfs-tools, the owner:group of the folder /home/.ecryptfs/user/.Private was changed to root.13:31
carnauso I was unable to login in my session.13:32
yooozyhi guys13:32
carnauAnyone in the same situation can confirm this bug?13:32
yooozyis it safe to upgrade kernel to 3.313:32
topyliit's annoying when people don't do their job13:37
topylifyi13:37
topylialso, wrong channel. but hey, take it as a bit of free information13:38
bastidrazorfreebies are great!13:39
paranoidiI'm pretty sure the installation is stuck at grub2 menu, entering help produces a lot of "neatly" formatted garbage to the screen .. any idea how to get grub2 into plain old text mode or .. well, work13:40
paranoidiwith shift I can edit the boot parameters ..13:42
paranoidiso that screen mode is not affected at least13:42
paranoidithis extremely annoying, I can't even investigate the issue since I can't read the text13:43
Andy80hi all13:45
Andy80after upgrading form 11.10 to 12.04 my Xorg keeps crashing and it restarts the session, prompting me to the login screen. How can I understand who/what is happening exactly? Which log files do I have to look at? Thanks!13:46
Andy80p.s: it happens often when I'm watching videos13:46
MrChrisDruifpenguin42: back13:46
carnauAndy80, check /var/log/syslog13:47
MrChrisDruifLightDM keeps saying "Logging in..."13:47
MrChrisDruifAnd as a side note: if the boot sequence isn't interrupted it doesn't get to LightDM in the first place (I need to see the grub screen to get there)13:48
MrChrisDruifAnd after grub it says "Waiting for network connection" and after that "Waiting up to 60 seconds for network configuration"13:49
Andy80carnau: ok, thanks I'll give a look at it. I've also reported the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/986445 and that file was not included automatically13:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 986445 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "nvidia-common makes my Xorg to crash sometimes" [Undecided,New]13:50
MrChrisDruifpenguin42: brb13:59
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mkultra_i get 5 fps on glx gears, they better mark it important14:05
DaekdroomAre you using the nvidia binary driver?14:07
MrChrisDruifDoes someone know about grub2 bugs? Like not booting by default or troubles with getting connection configuration?14:08
mkultra_yeah14:10
mkultra_im using jockey-gtk14:10
DaekdroomThere's nothing Ubuntu developers can do about it.14:10
DaekdroomNvidia already took the fault for that. It's caused by a security vulnerability fix.14:10
mkultra_bleh14:10
Daekdroomhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4ODc14:11
carnauAndy80, not me14:11
mkultra_yeah im 6 series go14:13
caravelHello14:19
duncan-nzI can't work out how to set my interface language as different from my locale setting. I want en_dk14:20
caravelQuestion: I attempted to apply an apt-get upgrade (not dist-upgrade) to a persistent liveusb created on a pen drive using the livecd's gui tool (beta2). "no system found" at boot. Should I just edit syslinux config, is that expected to work ? What about the dist-upgrade ?14:23
MrChrisDruifpenguin42; I've got it working somehow. I installed desktop-base and gnome (don't know which one fixed it thou) and it logged in again14:26
* caravel is not familiar with syslinux and livecd's internals, just wish to know where to put the learning effort14:26
MrChrisDruifNext time I'll try if wireless and "normal booting" also function14:26
dethosHello, i'm using ubuntu 12.04, and i'm trying to change the default text editor from gedit to another one, but in the system settings i'm not able to change it by giving the location of the executable! Anyone know how to do this?14:30
Andy80ops... I didn't see Daekdroom was talking to me :\ anyway, yes... I'm using that damn 295.40 Nvidia driver14:32
caraveldethos: in KDE one can right-click on a file, open with anything and tell the system to remember the assicioation. Other than KDE I don't know, sorry14:32
MrChrisDruifcaravel; similar in gnome/unity14:35
dethoscaravel: yes in xfce i was able to do it, but i'm trying to figure how to do this in unity! thanks anyway!14:35
duncan-nzdethos, same in Gnome / Unity. Click on a file of the type to change which program opens it by default.14:35
duncan-nzdethos, look under Properties > Open with14:36
duncan-nzI can't work out how to set my interface language as different from my locale setting. I want en_dk14:36
MrChrisDruifduncan-nz; yeah, I probably should've mentioned dethos in my reply to dethos14:37
MrChrisDruif(There: three mentions in a single sentence ^_^)14:37
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mcdoncyeah i think dethos wants to select an application that isn't in the applications list.. i dont know how to do that myself either14:38
dethosMrChrisDruif:  yes it show the list of installed apps, but if i want to specify one executable file on the system to open the type with!14:38
leo77Hey. I'm trying to launch ccsm (compiz settings manager) in KDE, but it keeps segfaulting. Anything I am missing?14:38
dethosmcdonc: yes thats it!14:38
mcdoncthe "add" button is greyed out for me on e.g. .py files14:39
leo77Ah, never mind, seems like it's not supposed to work anyway14:41
mcdoncdethos: bleh... http://askubuntu.com/questions/67382/add-custom-command-in-the-open-with-dialog14:44
mcdonclame14:45
mcdoncslightly better: http://askubuntu.com/questions/71359/where-is-open-with-in-nautilus14:46
dethosmcdonc: thanks for the links! I will try them! this feature needs to be implemented in unity, so we can do it without these workarounds!14:50
mcdoncit's actually a nautilus thing i think14:51
mcdoncbut good luck anyway, it won't be finished until every possible bit of useful functionality is removed afaict ;-)14:52
duncan-nzdethos, under the application list there is a button to show other applications, use that to point at programs not listed.14:52
Andy80how can I install an older version of a Nvidia driver? For example I'm running 295.40 and I want to install 295.33, how can I do it? Thanks.14:56
dethosduncan-nz:  in that extended list doesn't show the option to choose one file (or i can't find it )15:00
mcdoncit just aint there i think15:01
caravelAndy80: here I greatly lossed 2 celcius degress with .40, so I assume it is a great improvement for some models (that one at least). Why would you want to downgrade ?15:03
caravellost* ^^15:03
caraveldegrees* (etc.)15:03
Andy80caravel: because of this http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4ODc and because of this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/986445 :)15:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 986445 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "nvidia-common makes my Xorg to crash sometimes" [Undecided,New]15:04
* caravel doesn't meet any such issue, all fine here -- sorry Andy8015:04
Andy80caravel: I'm happy for you :) which Nvidia graphic card do you have?15:05
caravelAndy80: NB (I wouldn't want to misslead you), that's not running ubuntu15:05
caravelAndy80: and this is a GeForce 8600M GT15:06
caravelAndy80: subject to the infamous nvidiadefect.com hardware design scandal, already replaced once...15:06
Andy80caravel: I don't think 8800 GS is so much different from 8600 GT.... and I cannot find any other cause of this unstability.... trying doesn't cost anything, but I don't know how to install the old driver....15:07
Andy80or better... I know how to use the nvidia installer but it asks me to quit Xorg and I don't know how to do it without damaging something :P15:07
caravelAndy80: well in that case, maybe it would be worth for you to quickly try the same distro and driver packaging I am using -- if you don't face the issue any more, that would help the case for sure ?15:10
Andy80caravel: which driver packages are you using? note: I'm running Ubuntu 12.0415:11
caravelAndy80: (if the root of the issue was on the distribution side, it'll help the folks to fix it)15:11
caravelAndy80: that PC is running Fedora 16 KDE spin, standard install, all up to date, plus latest kmod-nvidia package from rpmfusion15:11
Andy80I cannot install fedora here, sorry :P15:12
caravelAndy80: btw, temperature might be your issue too, did you monitor it ?15:12
Andy80no I didn't... how can I read it?15:12
caravelAndy80: well, all I found with nvidia proprietary driver so far, is using the nvidia-settings UI, there is a tab for temperature :/ I failed to read it by any other mean15:13
Andy80I'm using the Nvidia X-Server Settings, but I cannot find any information about temperature15:14
caravelAndy80: (first item under the GPU-0 tree here)15:14
Andy80PowerMizer Informations?15:15
caravelAndy80: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-rg2107%0A is what I've got (and since .40 it goes as down as 65 quite often, while it was mostly above 70 before)15:16
Andy80caravel: I don't have that kind of information, sorry...15:17
caravelAndy80: once more reason to try another setup, I would say :)15:17
caravelone*15:17
Andy80caravel: I'd like to try the old driver :)15:17
MrChrisDruifDoes anybody know why "gnome-shell-extensions-user-theme" isn't in the repos?15:17
MrChrisDruifIt's a pretty basic extension for gnome-shell to allow custom shell themes to be used...15:19
Andy80maybe I've found something, let me try...15:19
mcdoncare there any useful sensors indicator applets for gnome-panel15:23
duncan-nzdethos, I'm sorry you're right. I thought it was there. Sorry can't help.15:25
timeimphi everyone15:26
timeimphaving a few issues with ubuntu 12.04 (the latest beta). I updated from 11.10 (this is in a VM running on VMWare Workstation TP) to test out 12.04 for the fun of it and am hit with some performance issues which I thought would be removed from 11.10.15:28
timeimpis there a way I can find what would be causing the VM to be running a bit slower-than-normal. (i'm also on an AMD A4 [64bit])15:28
duncan-nzNew topic: I can't see how to set my locale separate from my interface language. I want en_dk15:28
penguin42now, I'm curious - what is en_dk ?15:32
NurseDadis there something like "places" in 12.0415:40
TRAVISginstall of precise not working with my dual monitor setup15:40
NurseDadis there something like "places" in 12.415:40
NurseDadsry didnt mean to post twice15:41
penguin42TRAVISg: How far did it get, what graphics card have you got?15:41
TRAVISgIntel® 965G x86/MMX/SSE2 I have it up and running and if I unplug one monitor it is fine15:42
TRAVISgI am not currently on it do to amount of bug messages I was getting and inability to use two monitors15:42
penguin42TRAVISg: With the 2 monitors how far does it get? Can you login or does it fail before then?15:44
TRAVISgI can log in15:44
penguin42and does stuff appear on both screens or does it just all die?15:45
TRAVISgit seems to be okay until I actually scroll over to the other screen15:45
TRAVISgor adjust res.15:45
penguin42and then what happens?15:45
TRAVISgthen it gets crazy15:45
penguin42hmm - want to give some more detail as to what 'crazy' is ?15:46
TRAVISgI am running the same set up on 11.10 with no issue15:46
TRAVISgmmm15:46
TRAVISglike when you set to a bad res. settign and move the mouse15:46
TRAVISgthe best I can do is to relate it to setting a bad res setting in a game15:47
TRAVISgthank goodness it auto resets15:47
NurseDadI want change the default folders Documents, Downloads, Music etc... in ubuntu to the corresponding folders of my windows seven installation (duel boot) can someone help me?15:47
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TRAVISgpenguin42 did you want any more info?16:03
penguin42TRAVISg: I can't quite figure from your description what it actually looks like when it goes wrong16:03
tim`I believe the libglacier2-34 package has some undefined symbols in the lastest 12.04 package :{16:04
tim`specifically _ZTVN8Glacier228CannotCreateSessionExceptionE16:05
penguin42tim`: Are you saying that based on an app that fails to run with it?16:06
TRAVISgI will try to come up with a better way to describe it.16:06
carli2hi16:06
tim`penguin42: yes16:06
tim`but also looking with nm16:06
blueyedIs Ctrl-Alt-T working for you as expected?16:06
penguin42tim`: So that corresponds to Glacier2::CannotCreateSessionException  (having run it through c++filt)16:07
carli2when I play clonk, all keys i stroke get double accepted. RETURN becoubs double-return, esc becomes double-esc and so forth. does anyone else have this problem, too?16:07
tim` nm /usr/lib/libGlacier2.so | grep CannotCreateSessionException16:07
tim`nm: /usr/lib/libGlacier2.so: no symbols16:07
penguin42curious16:09
penguin42ah, nm -D is doing it16:09
tim`im building manually to see if the symbol shows up at the moment16:09
penguin42tim`: using nm -DC on that I see 00000000002b8e00 V vtable for Glacier2::CannotCreateSessionException16:11
tim`hrm, doesnt that imply it is pure virtual or something16:11
penguin42tim`: According to man nm V means it's a weak symbol, that I think is OK16:12
penguin42tim`: Is the problem you're having running an app or building it?16:12
tim`is there a special way to link against the library and pull in weak symbols?16:12
carli2ah, it's ibus that duplicates all key strokes. how can I disable ibus permanently?16:12
tim`its running an app i am compiling against it that is causing issues16:13
penguin42tim`: I'm not aware of a way or need to do that16:13
tsimpsonall a weak symbol means is that another object file can override the symbol when linking to the library16:14
tsimpsonthe above is probably due to a virtual inline destructor or other method16:15
tim`hrm i guess ill play with it - it is actually in a library that is getting loaded as a python module16:16
tim`not sure if that could be contributing somehow  i guess maybe not an ubuntu issue :]16:16
tsimpsontim`: what exactly are the errors you're getting?16:17
tim`when i import the python module i get16:18
tim`ImportError: /usr/local/lib/libnewmodule.so: undefined symbol: _ZTVN8Glacier228CannotCreateSessionExceptionE16:18
tim`but i am linking against -lGlacier2 which I would have thought would pull it in16:18
bjsniderthere shouldn't be anything in /usr/local/lib in debian16:18
tim`bjsnider: until i put it there16:19
bjsniderthat's your own project though, not a precise issue16:19
penguin42bjsnider: Right, but his problem is that it's not pulling in his other symbol16:19
penguin42tim`: I'm guessing that for some reason it's not pulling in the libglacier at all16:20
tim`so I think the issue may be, i am calling Glacier in library A which is linked to library B, library B is linked to libglacier -- normally this would allow you to assume symbols from B's deps are present but maybe they are not accessible somehow if they are weak symbols16:23
tim`it looks like linking directly works fine16:24
tim`:)16:24
tsimpsontim`: what's the output of "objdump -p | grep NEEDED"?16:27
tim`on which file?16:27
tsimpsonoh, sorry16:27
tsimpson"objdump -p /usr/local/lib/libnewmodule.so| grep NEEDED"?16:27
tsimpsonthe linker changed in 12.04, you need to make sure you explicitly link against every library you use a symbol from16:28
tsimpson(except libc)16:28
tim`now that i have linked directly it shows libGlacier2 in there16:28
tim`ahhh interesting16:28
tim`did that break a lot of things?16:28
tsimpsonyes :)16:28
tim`is that a gcc-4.6 thing?16:28
tsimpsonbut that's the way Debian are going, so that's the way we go. and it does simplify a lot of things in dependency tracking etc16:29
tsimpsonI'm not sure exactly when it came it, but I read it in the alpha notes somewhere16:30
penguin42tsimpson: That's a bit nasty really, it means you now need to know every library that libraries you happen to use need, and when those libraries change you have to change your app - which is a bit odd16:30
tim`that is going to make for some long linker arg lists for sure16:31
tsimpsonpenguin42: not really, you only need to specify the libraries _you_ use, not the ones those use etc16:33
tsimpsonit's a good idea to enforce that when you have to track tens-of-thousands of packages16:34
tsimpsonand upstream projects don't have to change anything if they don't want to, packagers will do the work16:35
tim`i guess it cuts down on the chance of namespace collisions16:37
leo77Hey, has anyone experienced issues running apts with sudo/kdesu/gksu from command line and getting (synaptic:5700): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: ?16:38
penguin42tim`: Yeh, I guess it gets tricky with C++ if you use a class from lib A that is a derived class of lib B; you #include libA's header, but that #include libB's and you end up using the symbol16:39
tsimpsonpenguin42: that would only matter if they were inline functions, otherwise you don't directly call the other libraries APIs16:40
tsimpsonit's only the symbols your binary (library/application/plugin) directly uses16:40
penguin42tsimpson: Right but with C++ you tend to get a lot of inline, especially with constructors etc16:41
tsimpsonpenguin42: not in all libraries, and constructors that "do work" like calling sub-library functions really should not be inline :)16:42
vexati0nso... i thought Gnome 3.4 allowed Shell to run without acceleration...? what happened?16:42
tsimpsongood C++ uses encapsulation well16:45
jbichavexati0n: I believe that's still experimental, maybe for 12.1016:49
Andy80lucky me I also have a netbook.... my PC didn't want to start Xorg anymore :(16:51
Andy80I'm now reinstalling everything...16:52
c_smithAndy80, did you break X.org?16:52
Andy80c_smith: I just booted in text mode, installed the previous Nvidia driver (295.33 instead of 295.40) and tried starting Xorg with: sudo service lightdm start, but it never booted....16:53
c_smithAndy80, that sucks,16:54
Andy80now my problem will remain anyway... I mean... the unstable 295.40 driver... damn it16:54
Andy80I should probably choose a safer way to install that binary16:55
penguin42Andy80: I'd generally say it's a bad idea to install nvidia drivers from upstream; I'd only look at the choice between the ones offered by additional drivers (aka jockey)16:55
Andy80penguin42: it's the one offered by jockey that is bugged :)16:55
penguin42Andy80: Well you're getting hangs - are you sure it's the nvidia driver? Also, jockey often issues a choice of 2 - tried both?16:56
Andy80penguin42: 295.40 by Nvidia fixes a bad security problem, but it also introduces performances and stability issues for any 8*** graphic card and I've a Nvidia 8800 GS.16:56
Andy80penguin42: it's a know Nvidia issues. It's also admitted by Nvidia, they suggest to revert to the previous version.16:57
Andy80penguin42: I can only choose the first version, if I try to choose the second version I get an error from Jockey: I've also reported this bug on LP (let me find it...)16:58
* penguin42 pats his ATI16:58
Andy80penguin42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/98644416:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 986444 in jockey (Ubuntu) "Jockey doesn't let me install "version current-updates" drivers for Nvidia" [Undecided,New]16:58
BronzeHi, I'm running 12.04 LTS as Virtual machine, hosted by my ISP but I cant install some perl modules, have the repos been moved? (the repos for 12.04)16:59
justdavedoes flash suck worse in precise than it did in oneiric, or do I have something else wrong on my system?16:59
justdavefullscreen gets all wonky and the audio's choppy, worked fine in oneiric16:59
trismBronze: which packages specifically?17:03
BronzeWWW::Mechanize.pm17:03
Bronzeer,17:04
justdaveaha, looks like my problem was the nvidia driver17:04
justdaveinstallde the "current-updates" version of the nvidia driver and now flash video is nice and clean again17:04
Bronzelibwww-mechanize-perl17:04
Bronze trism ^^^^^17:05
trismBronze: do you have universe enabled?17:05
Andy80justdave: which Nvidia driver version were you using?17:05
justdave"version current"17:05
justdavewhatever the one is that installs by default with precise17:06
Bronzetrism: I'm getting a busload of 404 errors like these:  Err http://ee.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main libhttp-date-perl all 6.00-117:06
justdavethere was also a "version current-updates" available in the proprietarydrivers panel, I switched it to that one17:07
trismBronze: yeah I am getting 404 for that mirror as well, perhaps try a different mirror17:07
Andy80justdave: one big favor I ask you, could you please start Nvidia Settings and tell me the version of the driver you're running now? thanks17:07
Bronzetrism: I just checked, and that repo doesnt have the ubuntu 12.04 stuff on it. I'll contact my hoster. sorry to bother you17:07
Bronzetrism: ah, a better idea. thank you.17:08
Andy80justdave: with current I was using 295.40, if current-updates has a different version number i MUST switch to it17:08
penguin42Andy80: Have you tried using the open driver? It might work (although won't be fast) - it might hold together17:08
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justdavehmm, says 295.40 there, too17:09
Andy80penguin42: no, haven't tried....17:09
justdavewonder what the difference is17:09
Andy80justdave: uhm :(17:09
penguin42Andy80: It's worth a go - it works fine on my only NVidia machine, which is an old NVidia card17:09
Andy80justdave: let me finish the installation then I'll see if I can install the current-update version17:10
Andy80penguin42: if the open one is the default one installed, I can already tell you that I cannot use it... it cannot support my xorg setup... I've a static setup because I need to use a VGA switcher that doesn't let Ubuntu detect the proper video card17:11
Andy80so I need to make the binary one work17:11
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penguin42Andy80: Sorry, can you explain a bit more about your setup ?17:12
Andy80penguin42: yes, here you have http://www.andreagrandi.it/2012/02/26/sharing-your-pc-monitor-with-your-xbox-using-a-vga-switcher/17:14
penguin42Andy80: Why can't you do that with the open driver? You should be able to write an xorg.conf to do that17:15
penguin42Andy80: Actually on my dads machine I have to explicitly the monitor resolution because it doesn't get detected (and that's with the open driver)17:18
vexati0njbicha: is there any [binary] source for Gnome Boxes in 12.04?17:20
Andy80penguin42: I'll try both17:20
Andy80uhm... nice...17:20
Andy80a fresh installation that stucks at boot with a nice purple screen..... interesting -.-17:21
penguin42Andy80: On my dads machine what I actually do is to add a couple of xrandr commands to his .profile so that when he logs in it adds the res - it's a bit grim; it's 2012 and I still have to wrangle modelines17:21
penguin42Andy80: Given the number of hangs you're getting have you considered doing a ram check or checking the installation media?17:21
* Andy80 want to throw the PC out of the window...17:21
Andy80let me try with a reboot.... it happened also in the past17:23
topyli"it is the will of allah that i throw this unix box out of the window. i succumb to the will of allah." an old unix joke, not a joke on islam :)17:23
Andy80now it booted normally17:23
Andy80:)17:23
penguin42Andy80: Are you using a CD or a usb stick?17:24
Andy80penguin42: USB stick. I'll install the Nvidia current-update if I can now17:24
penguin42Andy80: IMHO if it's not booting reliably you've got other problems17:24
Andy80penguin42: it never booted reliably since 1 year at least :\17:26
Andy80but once it booted it can stay up for a whole day... at least with 11.1017:26
penguin42Andy80: Give it a ram test, for a good few hours, clean the fans, and if it still can't boot reliably erm recycle it17:27
penguin42Andy80: With a sledgehammer17:27
jbichavexati0n: no, it needs a newer version of libvirt; there's a chance it will show up in the GNOME 3 PPA in a month or two17:29
Andy80penguin42: the RAM test using the utility provided with Ubuntu installer?17:29
penguin42Andy80: Yeh, just boot and select memtest rather than the installer - and leave it going for a good few hours - overnight ideally17:31
Andy80penguin42: I'll try it then, thanks17:32
Andy80ok, now it just rebooted normally. I'm even using my xorg.conf and the Nvidia binary driver17:33
v0lksmanhey all!  anyone experiencing problems with vconfig?  it seems that any vlan I add does not persist after a reboot17:40
vexati0n jbicha - if i build it from source, will i have a lot of dependency/upgrade issues in 12.04 afterwards?17:48
dodahi folks17:54
dodai have problems with the clickpad on a hp 4520s laptop17:54
dodasearched everything, couldn't find a fix17:54
jbichavexati0n: it's a bit complex to build it for Ubuntu, you'd need to build at least libosinfo, libvirt, & libvirt-glib also17:55
err-orhi, where can i disable asking for my password in the screensaver? seems im blind ^^18:07
err-oroh and also, where is group editor gui gone?18:08
trismerr-or: System Settings/Brightness and Lock18:10
err-oryes i found this one, but isn't it only for hibernation? if not, useless though :D18:11
trismerr-or: no, it also determines if the screen locks after it blanks18:13
err-ortrism: okay, than this is a bug... here it still ask for my pass.18:15
trismerr-or: you set lock to off?18:18
err-ortrism: yep18:19
Mkmanon the ubuntu 12.04 it recognize my monitor as a laptop and it cuts a bit of my screen, how do i fix that?18:21
sobersabrehi18:36
sobersabreis this # for precise?18:36
pangolinit is18:36
bazhangsobersabre, yep18:36
sobersabrenice. how do I install sun(oracle) java on it ?18:37
sobersabre(java 6)18:37
sobersabreI understand openjdk has replaced java in precise.18:37
airlynxI have a fresh install of Ubuntu Studio 12.04 and every time I plug in my USB mouse Gnome quits18:37
pangolinsobersabre, you know what. I have no idea. I think the new way is to get the .deb from oracle18:38
sobersabreairlynx: what do the logs say ?18:38
airlynxsobersabre, which logs?18:38
anduril1so I'm installing beta2 and trying to use btrfs for root18:39
bekksanduril1: Good luck ;)18:39
anduril1the "copying files" stage seems to have completed, and now I'm getting a hang after the username/password set up screen18:40
bazhanghttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java sobersabre18:40
anduril1ubiquity pegs the CPU and is gobbling more and more RAM.  Eventually I use up all 2 GB of swap and ubiquity is killed by OOM in the kernel18:40
anduril1third time I've tried this.  Is there a log file I can view to see what ubiquity is stuck at?18:41
sobersabreairtonix: /var/log/* or ~/.xsession-errors18:41
bekksanduril1: I'd try the alternate installer.18:41
pangolinoh, look at that the wiki HAS been updated. thanks bazhang :)18:41
bazhang:)18:42
anduril1this machine only has 1 GB of RAM if that is relevant18:42
sobersabrebazhang: thanks going there!18:42
pangolinanduril1, it shouldn't be18:42
airtonixsobersabre: derp?18:43
anduril1just wondering if there is a bug report to be made here18:43
anduril1should probably try with ext4 to see if I can reproduce18:44
jbichaanduril1: try again with the latest http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ there was a webcam bug that was fixed a week or two ago18:44
jbicha(of course btrfs isn't really supported in 12.04)18:44
anduril1jbicha: ooh, interesting.  The very next step in the installer is a webcam/photograph screen, isn't it?18:45
sobersabreairtonix: what is "derp" ?18:45
jbichayes, I hit that bug on several laptops18:45
airlynxsorry, back again, it happens with a USB headset that I have too, lol18:46
airtonixsobersabre: i'm sure next time you'll endeavour to pay more attention when you attempt to auto complete someones nick. http://derper.com/images/derp/Derp_Derp_Derp_Dog.jpg18:46
anduril1this netbook does in fact have a webcam18:46
sobersabreairtonix: ok. sorry.18:48
sobersabreairlynx: my last message to you was supposed to be: logs are at: /var/log/* and ~/.xsession-errros18:48
tioxIt use to be in Ubuntu, even in betas, the network manager would see My AT&T network dongle just fine. And yesterday, it did... for a moment. I was connected... for a moment. Everything is acting dumb; Network manager in 12.04b2 cannot find my device at all, even though I can plug it in and it works in WIndows.18:49
airlynxsobresabre: okay, thanks18:49
tioxIs there a way I can either downgrade the newwork manager or the kernel to resolve this issue?18:50
tioxOr, use a configuration file from an older version of nm?18:50
airlynxsobersabre, I can't seem to find anything related in ~/.xsession-errors, is there anywhere specific in /var/log/*?18:53
err-ortrism: fixed it by installing dconf-tools and disabled it manually. it seems that the option you mentioned only disabled locking for hibernation... because this one was disabled...18:53
trismerr-or: strange, which setting was it?18:57
caravelHi again, is the a LiveUSB in persistent mode (installed from a beta2 LiveCD), supposed to be apt-get upgradable just fine ? How about dist-upgrade ? Where can I read about doing such thing ? (I attempted to, went fine at first glance but then reboot says "no system found", I assume I have to learn about syslinux to fic its config ?)18:58
airlynxsobersabre: here is the event from /var/log/syslog when I plugged in the USB Headset (Plantronics device): http://pastebin.com/cNTrYBG118:58
caravelfix*18:58
* caravel is willing to learn syslinux and cow(unionfs if required, just want to make sure I am not wasting my time...19:00
zozyevening19:05
err-ortrism: org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled true19:08
trismerr-or: thanks19:10
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mrdebso when is ubuntu out19:38
kklimonda26th19:38
bazhang!schedule > mrdeb19:38
ubottumrdeb, please see my private message19:38
mrdeb!schedule > mrdeb19:39
mrdebwow so next thursday19:39
mrdebdo u think i shouold get 32 bit or 6419:40
jbichamrdeb: if you have more than 2GB of RAM, I'd probably recommend 64bit19:41
mrdebbut 2gb 3219:42
jbichayeah, the 64-bit is a little faster but uses a little more memory and if you only have 2GB you probably need all your memory19:43
mrdebok thank you19:45
spaceneedleI wonder if I should install the nvidia driver--is it working better? On my laptop I have Intel and it is much more responsive.19:48
mrdebyes spaceneedle19:49
mrdebu must install it19:49
spaceneedleI'll give a try again. Almost forgot: gnome-tweak-tool still isn't working--won't open up.19:50
err-ori have an adm card and in jockey there are two versions. normal fglrx and fglrx updates (or similar, i don't have the englsh version) . what is this intended for? at least it's not installable but the normal one works. im just interested20:00
err-oradm = ati amd ;)20:00
err-orthen i have another question. my usb keyboard is not responding properly. if i click on a terminal, browser and just start typing the first one or two key hits just not appearing... annoying for passwords ;) any hints?20:01
Daekdroomerr-or, the updated versions are for post-release.20:02
DaekdroomOnce Ubuntu+1 is released, there'll still be updates to FGLRX, and then people can choose to use the updated version or the version that is shipped with 12.04.20:03
DaekdroomIt's a matter of stability: not doing any updates is predictable.20:03
DaekdroomThe regular desktop user will be fine with either.20:04
Belial`am i the only one that really likes the gradiant used in 12.04 for titlebars over the ones in 11.04 and 11.10?20:05
DaekdroomBelial`, I don't even remember how the old one used to be.20:05
DaekdroomBut the current one looks good.20:05
Belial`like that psuedo shiny look20:05
Belial`lighter on the top half20:05
Belial`why do i need to keep publishing a file to get a url out of it with ubuntu one? seems like any time i close nautilus and come back to the file to copy the url, i have to publish all over again.20:07
Belial`but if i search for the url in my browser's history, the old link is still there.20:07
DaekdroomThat looks like something bug-report-worthy20:11
Belial`yeah, i'll send one out.20:12
anduril1jbicha: thanks for the help earlier.  Latest build seems to be installing just fine, must have been the webcam issue20:21
dekelahelp: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11862484#post1186248420:36
dekelaanyone has any idea?20:37
dekelaanyone here?20:38
dekelahelp please?20:39
astraljavadekela: Yes, there are plenty. But it doesn't mean anyone knows about this particular problem. Please have a little patience.20:39
dekelaok.. sorrt20:39
guntbert!here | dekela20:39
ubottudekela: Please give at least an overview of your problem *here* (all in one line) - you will get a much greater audience. If you have to use more than 3 lines, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com20:39
dekelaI gave the link to my forum post above20:40
dekelaIt should have all the details20:40
bekks17Describe your problem please.20:41
bekksWe dont know what problem you are facing at all.20:41
dekelaI installed ubuntu 12.04 on my macbook pro 5.2, nvidia driver is installed, but I am always logged into unity-2d20:42
dekelaSeems like gnome-setting-daemon is crashing and not composite extension is install20:42
dekelaI dont know what to do to fix it, glxinfo shows 3D is enabled20:43
cypher-neoI just had a friend install Ubuntu on her laptop. It is a Toshiba 64-bit laptop. When she loaded the desktop, the icon popped up which said there were restricted drivers available to use for graphics.20:46
cypher-neoBut when she enabled the drivers and restarted, there was nothing...20:46
cypher-neoDesktop wouldn't load...20:47
cypher-neoAny ideas?20:47
bjsniderdekela, are you sure that the laptop wants to use the nvidia gpu, or is it using the intel cpu?20:47
bjsniderintel gpu that is20:47
dekelaits macbook pro 5,2 late 2009, it has 2 NVIDIA GPUS : 9600 and 940020:48
dekelahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/940204/20:49
dekelalspci: http://paste.ubuntu.com/940205/20:50
dekelaall, I managed to fix my unity-2d startup issue: I removed my xorg.conf and restarted X and then I was able to get unity-3d, however I get unity crashes now, Going to submit a bug report21:05
ttl-does anybody know why VPN connections are disappearing  in network manager ?21:08
ttl-they are still in 'system settings' > network21:10
ttl-and they do re-appear in network-manger when connecting one time from system_settings > network21:11
ttl-but they disappear again in the network manager menu after logging out or rebooting21:13
Klikini1I want my /etc/apt/sources.list file to be as it would on a fresh 12.04 install. and my Software Sources GUI app does NOT match it. HELP!21:24
Klikini18-)21:26
Klikini1oops.21:26
wifioregon How do I upgrade to 12.04 beta without having to download and put on a disc? I'm using 11.1021:26
Klikini1@wifioregon you can't.21:26
astraljavawifioregon: `sudo do-release-upgrade -d`21:27
bazhangKlikini1, sure you can21:27
Klikini1you CAN?21:27
Klikini1you mean I didn't have to wipe my hard drive to get it?21:27
Klikini1:-$21:27
IntuitiveNipple:p21:27
IntuitiveNippleSomeone is now banging their head on the desk!21:28
Klikini1I am.21:28
Klikini1for some odd reason it is adding a 1 to my username...21:28
IntuitiveNippleIt's in package update-manager-core - do "man do-release-upgrade"21:28
Klikini1so um...21:29
Klikini1I want my /etc/apt/sources.list file to be as it would on a fresh 12.04 install. and my Software Sources GUI app does NOT match it.21:29
wifioregonwait so I can or can't?21:30
Klikini1can.21:30
astraljavawifioregon: `sudo do-release-upgrade -d`21:30
Klikini1`sudo do-release-upgrade -d`21:30
wifioregonoh okay. Thanks21:30
Klikini1without `21:30
wifioregonyea I figured21:30
wifioregonthanks21:30
Klikini1why did they remove the precise ppa?21:31
IntuitiveNippleKlikini1: You do know that the /etc/apt.sources.d/*.list are also read to determine all the archives to use?21:31
Klikini1what?21:31
bazhangthe precise PPA?21:31
Klikini1err...21:31
Klikini1repository21:32
Klikini1it's gone21:32
EvilResistancefor what?21:32
IntuitiveNippleIt has?21:32
EvilResistanceprecise still exists21:32
* EvilResistance checked21:32
bazhangno it's not21:32
Klikini1http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu/dists/21:32
EvilResistancethat's a PPA21:32
Klikini1it's gone though.21:32
bazhangKlikini1, are you even on ubuntu?21:32
Klikini1yes!21:32
Klikini1I am totally lost though.21:32
Klikini1:(21:32
* EvilResistance thinks that Klikini might be a newbie to ubuntu21:32
bazhangKlikini1, why would you ever run a beta if you cannot manage such a thing21:33
Klikini1*bang head on desk harder*21:33
Klikini1I have been using ubuntu for 3 years.21:33
IntuitiveNippleKlikini1: The PPA you mentioned does not currently contain any packages built for Precise21:33
Klikini1and I have loved 12.04 until update manager started failing last night21:33
EvilResistanceKlikini1:  that's a PPA, not the Precise main repositories21:34
Klikini1ok.21:34
EvilResistanceKlikini1:  whoever manages that PPA, though, doesnt maintain any packages for Precise21:34
Klikini1sudo apt-get update output: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found21:34
Klikini1W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found21:34
Klikini1W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found21:34
Klikini1E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.21:34
EvilResistanceKlikini1:  then remove those from your sources21:34
Klikini1they aren't in my sources.21:34
bekksKlikini1: Please dont flood in here.21:34
EvilResistanceKlikini1:  dont trust the GUI :P21:34
IntuitiveNippleKlikini1: they'll be in a file in /etc/apt.sources.d/21:34
EvilResistance^21:34
EvilResistanceerm21:34
yofelthey should show up in the GUI app though21:35
EvilResistanceIntuitiveNipple:  dont you mean /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?21:35
Klikini1/etc/apt/sources.list you mean?21:35
yofelas EvilResistance said21:35
EvilResistanceKlikini1:  check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/21:35
EvilResistanceits in one of those files21:35
IntuitiveNippleKlikini1: In a terminal do: grep -n pmcenery /etc/apt.sources.list.d/*21:35
IntuitiveNippleThat'll tell you which file contains that PPA entry21:35
Klikini1grep: /etc/apt.sources.list.d/*: No such file or directory21:35
EvilResistanceIntuitiveNipple:  you use the wrong path21:36
EvilResistanceKlikini1:  grep -n pmcenery /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*21:36
IntuitiveNippleEvilResistance: Typo originally :p21:36
EvilResistanceIntuitiveNipple:  you're still repeating it ;P21:36
Klikini1/etc/apt/sources.list.d/pmcenery-ppa-precise.list:1:deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu precise main21:37
IntuitiveNippleLOL can you tell I'm tired! That's what spending all Saturday bug-fixing the sudo package does for you!21:37
Klikini1/etc/apt/sources.list.d/pmcenery-ppa-precise.list:2:deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu precise main21:37
Klikini1/etc/apt/sources.list.d/pmcenery-ppa-precise.list.save:1:deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu precise main21:37
Klikini1/etc/apt/sources.list.d/pmcenery-ppa-precise.list.save:2:deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu precise main21:37
Klikini1what....?21:37
yofel!paste | Klikini121:37
ubottuKlikini1: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.21:37
Klikini1Ok will do.21:37
IntuitiveNippleKlikini1: That shows there's 2 saved files (which aren't used) and one that is - pmcenery-ppa-precise.list21:38
Klikini1http://paste.ubuntu.com/940266/21:38
Klikini1so I need to remove the last two?21:38
yofelKlikini1: the first 2 actually21:39
Klikini1how?21:39
yofelthey should show up in software properties21:39
yofelor just delete the file21:39
Klikini1k21:40
yofelor comment the entries out in the file21:40
IntuitiveNippleKlikini1: You can remove that file or rename it to stop it being used. It *should* show up in the GUI Software Sources "Other Software" tab21:40
IntuitiveNippleI notice the one in use is only referencing source packages, not binaries (deb-src)21:40
Klikini1woah woah woah21:41
Klikini1http://paste.ubuntu.com/940266/21:41
Klikini1which lines do I remove?21:41
Klikini1I have the directory open21:41
IntuitiveNippleOh OK, I see it better now. Some of that I missed in this window because it scrolled away.21:41
Klikini1the .save?21:41
IntuitiveNippleSoftware Sources "Other Software" tab should list that21:42
yofelno, the save is the backup21:42
Klikini1so I delete all BUT the .save?21:42
yofeljust disable it in the GUI21:42
yofelyeah21:42
Klikini1I have a major headache21:42
Klikini1my other software tab doesn't match up to ANYTHING21:42
Klikini1which do I remove though?21:43
EvilResistanceKlikini1:  you can remove both21:43
EvilResistanceand then apt-get update21:43
Klikini1http://imagebin.org/20912421:45
IntuitiveNippleKlikini1: The last two entries in that list show it21:45
IntuitiveNippleso just untick them21:45
Klikini1ok21:45
Klikini1pmcenery ones?21:46
IntuitiveNippleYes21:46
Klikini1like this? http://imagebin.org/20912521:47
IntuitiveNippleyes, that's done21:48
Klikini1ok21:48
Klikini1and I can install unity-lens-askubuntu?21:48
Klikini1USC says it is unavailable in my repositories21:48
Klikini1and yet it's in the slideshow on the main page21:49
rawrHello, I have just finished installing 12.04 beta 32bit. I can loging and use the system no problem, however, my mouse cursur and terminal blinks seemingly randomly21:49
Klikini1now this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/940280/21:49
IntuitiveNippleKlikini1: according to this link you can install that package directly  http://2buntu.com/2012/01/12/ask-ubuntu-unity-lens-now-available-in-the-ubuntu-software-center/21:49
Klikini1rawr: is your graphics card okay?21:50
phibxrIntuitiveNipple, following the link in the article gives "There isn’t a software package called “unity-lens-askubuntu” in your current software sources." on 12.04.21:51
rawrThere is nothing wrong with the graphics card itself it was doing great.21:51
IntuitiveNippleKlikini1: That is because your "Other Software" tab lists "http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ testing non-free" twice. Disable and remove one of them21:51
Klikini1http://imagebin.org/20912621:52
rawrSo just run an apt-get update for a hopefull resolution?21:52
yofelunity-lens-askubuntu doesn't exist in 12.04 - not sure why21:52
Klikini1Dang.21:52
IntuitiveNippleyofel: Presumably they were premature in advertising it's availability?21:53
EvilResistanceprobably21:53
rawrKlikini1: ?21:53
yofelcould be21:53
Klikini1"(04:52:20 PM) yofel: unity-lens-askubuntu doesn't exist in 12.04 - not sure why"21:53
Klikini1@rawr21:53
Klikini1thanks for the help everyone!21:53
Klikini1no more erros21:54
Klikini1*errors21:54
IntuitiveNippleI'm checking on that package now... hold on21:54
rawrSo am I getting the understanding noone knows how to fix my current issue?21:54
Klikini1I don't.21:54
Klikini1try askubuntu.com21:54
yofelIntuitiveNipple: in oneiric it's in extras.ubuntu.com, on precise I can't find it21:55
yofeland the publishing history on Launchpad is empty21:55
EvilResistancerawr:  you need patience21:55
EvilResistancenot everyone here knows how to fix every issue21:56
rawrno that is fine, I was just confused by what I had read. Patience I have. :D21:56
IntuitiveNippleKlikini1: See https://code.launchpad.net/~askubuntu-tools/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=precise21:56
rawrIs there a way to pull the information of my system to tell what graphics card I use.21:56
yofellspci | grep VGA21:56
yofelwill tell you what graphics card you have21:57
yofeland look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you want to know what driver is used21:57
astraljavarawr: If you need more, `sudo lshw -c display` will elaborate.21:57
rawrHow do I know which of my two graphics cards it is using?21:57
IntuitiveNipplerawr: try this in a terminal: glxinfo | egrep 'vendor|render|version'21:57
rawrI have a laptop with the standard builtin and an added graphics card21:58
Klikini1so this list is all of the repositories that come with 12.04 and possibly more? http://i.imgur.com/aqfcV.png21:58
yofelKlikini1: partner is there by default,  and the main entries come from the ubuntu software tab configuration22:00
rawrglxinfo | egrep  'vendor|render|version'22:02
rawrwill one of these commands you have given me to run show me which graphics card is active? That way I may include it in askubuntu?22:04
Klikini1http://paste.ubuntu.com/940302/22:04
IntuitiveNipplerawr: run that complete command sequence and it'll report what the current OpenGL driver is using. For more info, read the current /var/log/Xorg.0.log22:04
Klikini1I've been having that vbox issue for a long time now.22:05
IntuitiveNippleKlikini1: I believe all you need to do is "sudo apt-get install virtualbox-dkms"22:07
bazhanghe quit22:07
IntuitiveNippleI noticed! They always do that just before you give a response22:08
EvilResistanceIntuitiveNipple:  its called being impatient, and having an issue of PEBKAC :P22:08
IntuitiveNippleLOL I'm not sure he knew what he was doing! Although he sure was fast at screenshots22:09
rawrThe drivers are showing it using an intel based card. which is the builtin, how would I switch to using the other one?22:09
IntuitiveNippleright, if there are no more calls... I'll write up this SRU for sudo!22:09
EvilResistanceIntuitiveNipple:  still a problem of PEBKAC :P22:09
IntuitiveNipplerawr: is the laptop Alienware by any chance?22:10
rawrDell vostro22:10
EvilResistancerawr:  what makes you think it has a secondary card?22:10
EvilResistancemost Vostros only come with Intel22:10
EvilResistanceunless you choose a different card at build time22:10
* EvilResistance works with Dells quite often22:10
rawrWe purchased them with it.22:10
rawrYes your right we added it22:10
rawrAnd ubuntu sees it22:11
rawrthe grep vga command showed it22:11
EvilResistanceyou might need to disable the Intel in the BIOS then22:11
EvilResistanceto force the other card22:11
EvilResistance(if you can, Dell bios's are kinda weird22:11
EvilResistance)22:11
rawrbut the ,  glxinfo | egrep 'vendor|render|version' only showed the intel card. I can't force the card inside of ubuntu?22:11
bekksrawr: Sounds like an Optimus chipset.22:13
IntuitiveNipplerawr: maybe this forum thread about vgaswitcheroo might help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174418822:13
rawrbekks, what does that mean to me? :D22:13
bekksMaybe bumblebee helps too.22:13
phibxrrawr, if you have one of those, you should be able to force compatibility mode in BIOS, which will permanently enable the NVIDIA-card.22:13
bekksrawr: Guess why I wrote your name at the beginning ;)22:14
phibxrThere went the terminal.22:16
bekksPlease give it back to him, if you find it ;)22:19
IntuitiveNipplerawr: maybe this forum thread about vgaswitcheroo might help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174418822:23
jeremiah_Why does the ardiuno software i installed into ubuntu not let me change the serial port??22:25
phpn00bHi.22:28
phpn00bIs the beta2 version stable enough for daily use?22:29
rawrI have a feeling my blinking cursur and blinking terminal isn't the same as my different graphics card issue. HOwever I have noticed things like if I hold down backspace to delete a sentence it stops backing up when there is a blink22:29
IntuitiveNipplerawr: I've seen that occassionally in terminal sessions... usually there's paging to disk going on in the background22:30
rawrI shouldn't be using the page file much, im running w/ 12gb of ram22:30
rawrI wouldn't think that is.22:31
rawrAnd it is pretty much constant.22:31
IntuitiveNippleOK, sounds good22:31
phpn00b??22:31
rawrAnd the cursur was good untill I logged in and unity started22:32
IntuitiveNipplerawr: blame unity? :p22:32
rawrAny way to turn off unity and give gnome or something a try?22:32
IntuitiveNipplephpn00b: If you're happy to deal with the occasional bug or glitch, it is22:32
IntuitiveNipplerawr: I'm not sure, I believe you can select gnome sessions at the log-in prompt if the correct packages are installed.... someone else will have to tell you on that, though22:33
phpn00bWhat do you call occasional bugs? Even ubuntu stable is very unstable22:33
Xchat-userHey are there any themes that work with 12.0422:34
IntuitiveNippleseveral themes comes installed22:35
Xchat-useryeah is there anyway i can make my own themes with a program?22:35
jeremiah_Why does the ardiuno software i installed into ubuntu not let me change the serial port??22:38
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: What application or package is that?22:42
jeremiah_IntuitiveNipple, the ardiuno software?22:42
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: Yes. I'm not familiar with it22:42
jeremiah_IntuitiveNipple, well, the software is called "ardiuno"  other than that, i don't know.22:43
IntuitiveNippleI'll look22:46
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: So in the IDE you're not seeing the port you expect in Tools > Serial Port?22:51
jeremiah_IntuitiveNipple, i see it. but it won't let me click on it.22:52
IntuitiveNippleHmmm!22:52
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: I read on the Arduino troubleshooting pages that for certain boards, Linux needs a patched RXTX library for dev/ttyACM* devices. Is that the kind of serial port your device uses?22:54
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: see the paragraph beginning "On Linux, the Uno and Mega 2560" at http://www.arduino.cc/en/Guide/Troubleshooting#upload22:55
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: also on that page it says "On Linux, you might try running the Arduino software as root, at least temporarily to see if fixes the upload."22:55
jeremiah_IntuitiveNipple, well, when i tried to get rxtx, it said i already had it.23:02
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: Maybe check for the presence of /dev/ttyACM0   ?23:03
jeremiah_IntuitiveNipple,  but those packages are for 11.04!23:03
IntuitiveNippleIt says "The Arduino software download for Linux includes a version of the RXTX library patched to also search for these /dev/ttyACM* devices"23:04
IntuitiveNippleIf you're on Precise maybe you need to ask them to update it to work ?23:04
jeremiah_i don't feel like askin.23:08
jeremiah_and how do i see if i have /dev/ttyACM*?23:08
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: ls -l /dev/ttyACM*23:11
jeremiah_-l: command not found23:11
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: Those are lower-case L characters23:14
jeremiah_so?23:14
IntuitiveNippleso if you typed/copied it correctly you'd get a different response to that23:15
IntuitiveNippleI get:23:15
IntuitiveNipplels -l /dev/ttyACM*23:15
IntuitiveNipplels: cannot access /dev/ttyACM*: No such file or directory23:15
IntuitiveNippleBecause those nodes don't exist on my system23:16
jeremiah_oh. I see. i also have to type in Is23:17
jeremiah_i got crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 166, 0 Apr 21 16:09 /dev/ttyACM023:17
IntuitiveNippleyes... it is the command to "list" files and directories23:17
IntuitiveNippleOK, you see you do have one of those interfaces, so you need to follow up on that Arduino troubleshooting page's advice I pointed you to23:18
rikstationHi there, seeking help to install startup-manager/startupmanager which does not seem to be available in software centre, However this video it was once there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssYtRcARJQs23:18
jeremiah_but it is outdated. and how do i install that??23:18
IntuitiveNippleYou'd have to ask the Arduino developers23:19
jeremiah_aaaggghhh.23:19
jeremiah_what is the command for what drivers you have?23:20
mongoFYI the "openstack" install option is broken, "Couldn't find any package by regex 'openstack^'23:21
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: It also says on the troubleshooting page: "If, however, you're using the RXTX package from your distribution, you may need to symlink from /dev/ttyACM0 to /dev/ttyUSB0 (for example) so that the serial port appears in the Arduino software"23:21
jeremiah_how is that done?23:21
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: so, check if there is already a /dev/ttyUSB* port with: ls -l /dev/ttyUSB*23:22
jeremiah_nope.23:22
IntuitiveNippleOK, so you can use /dev/ttyUSB0 then23:22
jeremiah_aren't i already using it?23:23
mongojeremiah_: you can also 'tail /var/log/dmesg' after plugging it in to find the device name23:23
mongothe ttyACM0 device really only applied to the older models23:24
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: then you could do: sudo ln -s /dev/ttyACM0 /dev/ttyUSB023:24
mongoIntuitiveNipple: na that will break, jeremiah_ what arduino do you have?23:25
jeremiah_uno23:25
mongojeremiah_: and you have uno selected in the IDE?23:25
jeremiah_yes23:25
mongolet me see if I can find the old fix when I tried their IDE23:26
jeremiah_what is the command for finding what kind of graphics driver you have?23:28
mongojeremiah_: look in the dmesg log and see if the device is seen23:28
jeremiah_ok.23:28
mongois it showing ttyACM0 in the tools dropdown under serial?23:29
mongojeremiah_: dmesg | grep usb23:30
mongothat may work23:30
jeremiah_no. it says programmers23:31
mongohrm... if your run ls /dev/tty* do you see anything named ttyUSB*?23:33
jeremiah_/dev/ttyUSB023:34
jeremiah_ is the closest thing.23:34
mongocan you paste the result of ls -l /dev/ttyUSB023:35
jeremiah_errr. still can't find what kind of graphics card i have...23:35
jeremiah_lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Apr 21 18:25 /dev/ttyUSB0 -> /dev/ttyACM023:35
mongohrm and you are on 12.04?23:36
jeremiah_yes. that is why i am on this channel. :)23:36
mongojust makeing sure because the group should be "dialout"23:36
jeremiah_oh.23:37
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: glxinfo | egrep 'vendor|render|version'23:37
IntuitiveNipplemongo: That's the symlink he created, as per the Arduino troubleshooting page23:37
jeremiah_i do not have  it installed23:38
jeremiah_ignore...23:38
mongoIntuitiveNipple: ah, ya, no that's old instructions, leftovers from processing which wiring used and then arduiono modified, it's ugly stuff23:38
IntuitiveNipple*shudders23:38
jeremiah_lol23:39
mongojeremiah_: avrdude and gcc work great too ;)23:39
IntuitiveNippleFrom earlier, he said  i got crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 166, 0 Apr 21 16:09 /dev/ttyACM023:39
jeremiah_for what?23:39
mongoIntuitiveNipple: they used malloc for itoc until six months ago23:39
jeremiah_mongo, for what?23:39
mongojeremiah_: arduino is an abstraction of C, they use avrdude to upload the firmware23:40
jeremiah_so install those two?23:40
mongojeremiah_: add your useraccount to the dialout group23:41
jeremiah_how?23:41
mongojeremiah_: well it would proably be best to learn with the IDE first23:41
jeremiah_ugh. How...23:41
mongolet me find the non vi command :)23:41
jeremiah_ok23:41
IntuitiveNipplesudo adduser $USER dialout23:42
IntuitiveNipplethen re=login so the group is picked up23:42
mongothanks IntuitiveNipple, I didn't want to suggest vipw23:43
mongoerr vigr23:43
IntuitiveNipple:p23:43
jeremiah_for second half o: command not found23:43
jeremiah_so: command not found23:43
mongojeremiah_: he means to actually log out sorry23:44
mongohe/she23:44
IntuitiveNipple"he"23:44
jeremiah_oh. lol :)23:44
jeremiah_hahaha!!23:44
IntuitiveNipplejeremiah_: When you add a user to a group it is only picked up during the log-in process23:44
jeremiah_but for the first half it said The user `jeremiah' is already a member of `dialout'.23:45
IntuitiveNippleWell that's good! so you don't need to log out!23:45
jeremiah_ya...23:45
mongohrm...shouldn't the net installer be pulling a package list from the mirror, this broken install for openstack is odd23:45
keithclark_Anyone know of a microphone not working solution?23:46
mongothe package lists are not in /var/lib/apt during install23:46
mongokeithclark_: are you on a laptop?23:47
IntuitiveNippleThat question is SO open to corny answers!23:47
keithclark_mongo, A netbook23:47
mongokeithclark_: which netbook? this tends to be an also config and you can fix it with a grub boot option23:48
jeremiah_if i can't get this fixed, i can't program!23:48
keithclark_mongo, Emanchines 355 series23:49
mongokeithclark_: what does 'lspci | grep "Audio"' tell you?23:52
jeremiah_how do i install a "run" installer?23:53
keithclark_mongo, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)23:53
jeremiah_how do i install "ati-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run?23:54
jeremiah_without first quote23:54
mcdonc"sh ati-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run" probably23:55
mongojeremiah_: run jockey-gtk and it will find the correct driver and install it23:55
jeremiah_it says none available23:56
mongokeithclark_: check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto but I think 12.04 is shipping with a version of alsa with a but, I know it is an issue on my 17" laptop23:56
mongojeremiah_: does it tell you can't can't run unity 3d? you may be fine with the xfree driver23:56
jeremiah_what??23:57
jeremiah_it opens up the available drivers page, but says none identified23:58
jeremiah_?found23:58
mongojeremiah_: yes, that means the opensource ones are fine most of the time23:58
alexisdhello, how I can install gnome-boxes in 12.04 plz?23:58
jeremiah_but it can't identify my graphics card!!!23:59
mongojeremiah_: jockey only identifies hardware that needs non-opensource drivers23:59

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