[07:12] <jo-erlend> Still can't play Severed Fifth in Rhythmbox on 64bit Ubuntu 12.04. Neither Rhythmbox or Totem are able to install necessary plugins for anything. I find it a little disturbing that things like that are still broken less than a week before release.
[07:13] <jo-erlend> I haven't been able to find anyone who knows why this is the case. Perhaps someone here does?
[08:02] <popey> jo-erlend: can mplayer play it?
[08:04] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/939354/
[09:18] <jo-erlend> popey, I haven't the foggiest. I know vlc can, for instance, and both Totem and Rhythmbox can if I install ubuntu-restricted-extras. But they cannot install required codecs the way they're supposed to.
[09:19] <jo-erlend> you get a dependency error.
[09:22] <jo-erlend> sometimes, when I put myself in the role of a new user, Ubuntu seems utterly untested. It still isn't possible to "Open With > Other" with Firefox, for instance. It only allows you to choose files, not applications. Completely obvious things that still isn't working five days before release.. Makes me more than a little nervous.
[09:26] <popey> ok ok, putting the rant to one side lets diagnose the issue
[09:27] <popey> jo-erlend: pastebin what happens when you "mplayer track.mp3"
[09:28] <jo-erlend> popey, why mplayer? Totem and  Rhythmbox both use GStreamer, don't they?
[09:29] <popey> because mplaye produces readable output
[09:29] <jo-erlend> ok. Wait a moment, and I'll paste the results I get when trying to play an mp3 the way someone who didn't know anything would.
[09:30] <popey> ok, you clearly don't want any help but just want to rant about how this doesn't work
[09:31] <popey> I'll stop.
[09:32] <jo-erlend> hmm? I told you, I can easily play music and video. A beginner will not be able to. That's the issue: http://paste.ubuntu.com/939417
[09:32] <popey> I know, you've mentioned it 3 times now
[09:45] <jo-erlend> yes, but you seem to think it's just ranting or that I'm complaining on my own behalf. That's not the case.
[09:45] <popey> no
[09:45] <popey> i am just asking you to provide some info so I can help debug it
[09:46] <popey> you're focussing on what I'm asking you to do, as if I am expecting all users to install mplayer as a fix, which I am not
[09:46] <popey> I just asked you to run mplayer because it produces more useful output than totem
[09:55] <jo-erlend> yes, mplayer plays it.
[09:55] <popey> can you pastebin the output?
[09:56] <jo-erlend> http://paste.ubuntu.com/939434
[09:57] <jo-erlend> seems less useful than the deb information though? http://paste.ubuntu.com/939417
[09:58] <popey> "Requested audio codec family [mpg123] (afm=mpg123) not available." is interesting
[09:59] <popey> but other mp3s seem to do that too
[09:59] <popey> why do you have the i386 package of gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly installed?
[10:02] <jo-erlend> popey, probably came with ffmpeg?
[10:02] <popey> i dont have it on my system
[10:02] <jo-erlend> I don'ẗ know. I don't think I've installed it intentionally.
[10:02] <popey> what gets removed if you remove it?
[10:03] <jo-erlend> but on a 64bit 12.04 install does prefer gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly:i386
[10:03] <popey> i have the native version on my amd64 system
[10:03] <popey> not i386
[10:04] <jo-erlend> right, but that's not what Totem and Rhythmbox wants to install.
[10:04] <jo-erlend> they both want to install the i386
[10:04] <popey> totem plays mp3s fine here
[10:04] <popey> and they haven't installed i386 packages
[10:05] <jo-erlend> it does here too, after I installed ubuntu-restricted-extras. But if I'm going to ask the media to test and write about Ubuntu, I can't tell them to do things like that. It makes Ubuntu still look like a thing for very technical users. And this is supposed to be very easy. Has been the last few releass.
[10:06] <jo-erlend> popey, I have confirmed this on about fifty installs, during the entire cycle.
[10:06] <popey> bug number?
[10:08] <jo-erlend> I'm not entirely sure I've even looked for it. Playing music and video seems like something so obvious, I was sure someone else had it under control.
[10:08] <popey> yet you've seen it on 50 machines?
[10:09] <popey> ok, get it filed
[10:09] <jo-erlend> and you know.. To me personally, it's never been a problem anyway, so I just figured it'd go away by itself and forgot all about it. It's only a few days since I made a reinstall. I was absolutely sure this had been fixed a long time ago.
[10:09] <jo-erlend> popey, not fifty machines. Installs.
[10:09] <popey> same thing
[10:10] <popey> ok, lets get it filed then.
[10:10] <jo-erlend> no, it most definitely is not the same. I've  reinstalled on my laptop many times during this cycle. It's still the same machine.
[10:10] <popey> do you need help filing the bug?
[10:10] <jo-erlend> no.
[10:11] <popey> I can certainly try to confirm it in a VM, let me know the bug number once it's filed
[10:12] <popey> sorry for the misunderstanding.
[10:12] <jo-erlend> while I'm reporting it, confirm it anyway. In a fresh install, without installing codecs with ubiquity, click on an mp3 file and accept the defaults.
[10:12] <jo-erlend> do the same with any kind of video or audio. The result is the same.
[10:16] <popey> will do
[10:16] <popey> using latest daily of precise?
[10:16] <jo-erlend> sure. Any will do.
[10:17] <popey> ok
[10:23] <jo-erlend> but I have to say; if something like playing music and video can slip through the cracks, then we have serious problems.
[10:23] <popey> meh
[10:23] <popey> lets see what the problem is first
[10:27] <jo-erlend> a package dependency issue.. Didn't you look at the paste? http://paste.ubuntu.com/939417/
[10:29] <popey> yes, i looked at it
[10:29] <popey> i also couldn't read it
[10:31] <jo-erlend> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/986520
[10:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 986520 in sessioninstaller "On 64bit systems :i386 codec packages cannot be installed. Media cannot be played. " [Undecided,New]
[10:31]  * popey subscribes
[10:32] <popey> just downloading iso now
[10:32] <jo-erlend> popey, oh, I'm sorry. I forgot it's in Norwegian.
[10:33]  * popey installs
[10:33] <popey> np ☺
[10:33] <popey> my Norwegian isn't too hot ;)
[10:35] <popey> \o/ virtualbox installing ubuntu
[10:35] <jo-erlend> I don't even see Norwegian in text like that, because I know what the static text message says :)
[10:36] <jo-erlend> yes, Windows 7 broke my MD RAID the other day, and I lost 1.8TB of data. Among that was my entire collection of ISOs. I didn't back those up, so I need to download again. That'll take a while. :)
[10:39] <popey> erk
[10:39]  * popey has just setup his first btrfs array at home
[10:39] <jo-erlend> right. That's what I did too. I went from an MD/LVM solution to a pure btrfs solution. It's wonderful :)
[10:40] <jo-erlend> so wonderful, I didn't really feel that bad about having to restore from backup :)
[10:40] <popey> hah
[10:41] <jo-erlend> and boot time went from 1m30s to about 35 seconds. :)
[10:58]  * popey updates bug 986520
[10:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 986520 in sessioninstaller "On 64bit systems :i386 codec packages cannot be installed. Media cannot be played. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986520
[10:59] <popey> its a dupe of bug 899001
[10:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 899001 in sessioninstaller "gst-install wants to install i386-version of codec packages on amd64" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/899001
[11:00] <popey> and it's fix-committed \o/
[11:02] <popey> thanks for reporting it jo-erlend
[11:02] <jo-erlend> hope it lands in time for me to finish the videos. I thought I'd have a couple of weeks.
[11:08] <jo-erlend> the last time Ubuntu was mentioned in Norwegian media was back in 2008, so it would be really great if we could impress some journalists with this one – preferably before release, so they have time to write about it when that happens.
[22:19] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: Hello! Do you have a second?
[22:19] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, sure
[22:20] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: Well, I don't know if you remember, I told you if you could please take a look at a blueprint last week. The link has changed, it is totally revamped and much more specific about the topics. It is here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-ubuntu-youth
[22:21] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, cool
[22:21] <jono> can you mail me about this so I can take a look?
[22:21] <jono> just send the URL to jono@ubuntu.com
[22:21] <jono> I will take a look when I get a second
[22:22] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: Yep, great. Thank you!
[22:22] <jono> thanks JoseeAntonioR!
[22:22] <JoseeAntonioR> Thanks to you for your time :)
[22:53] <cjohnston> I may have found a bug
[22:53] <cjohnston> uggh.. wrong window