[01:36] <qwebirc85183> Hi, I'm testing out 12.04 on a frontend with a 0.23 backend because according to the repos page 0.23 is supported but it seems like 12.04 only supports 0.25 or newer.  Which is correct?
[02:36] <superm1> qwebirc85183: only 0.25 and newer are supported on 12.04
[02:46] <rhpot1991> qwebirc85183: what did you read that led you to believe that 0.23 was supported?
[03:04] <qwebirc52030> rhpot1991: I read it here that 0.23 was supported on 12.04: http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[03:04] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.org] Mythbuntu Repositories | Mythbuntu
[03:07] <rhpot1991> qwebirc52030: what verbage on that page?
[03:07] <rhpot1991> I don't see anything that indicates that
[03:08] <qwebirc52030> rhpot1991: The big graphic shows 0.23 supported on 12.04
[03:10] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: ^
[03:10] <rhpot1991> thanks qwebirc52030 we'll get that fixed
[03:15] <superm1> oh didn't realize we had a big graphic
[03:15] <superm1> tgm4883:did you add that?
[03:20] <qwebirc52030> rhpot1991: NP, Btw, I like the graphic.
[04:53] <amejia> superm1: libcec has been uploaded http://packages.qa.debian.org/libc/libcec/news/20120421T041722Z.html
[04:53] <Zinn> [packages.qa.debian.org] Accepted libcec 1.6.1-1 (source amd64)
[04:53] <amejia> superm1: good night :)
[09:29] <dekarl> superm1: tgm4883: do you have a fix in the pipeline to add the <crashedprogramname.log> in addition to the mythbackend.log in the apport script? If not I'll give it a try.
[09:32] <dekarl> nvm, I see that it now collects *.log from /var/log/mythtv, was remembering complaints about missing the right log lately
[09:36] <dekarl> next question, what is needed to get retraces for the ppa packages?
[14:36] <superm1> dekarl: for PPA packages, it's best if the user has mythtv-dbg installed already
[14:37] <superm1> if they don't, it is possible to run a retrace for them, but a lot of wor
[14:37] <superm1> and only works for a day or so (once new debug symbols are on the PPA, the retracer service can't work properly)
[14:37] <superm1> thank amejia
[14:38] <dekarl> thats sad. So no good automatic backtraces via apport :(
[14:39] <superm1> well as far as i'm aware at least that's not possible
[14:39] <superm1> i mean apport will do the trick locally - they just need mythtv-dbg installed
[14:39] <superm1> that's the reason we made a mythtv-dbg package rather than the ddeb method normal ubuntu packages use
[14:39] <dekarl> superm1: if the user has mythtv-dbg (and all other dbg packages) installed, then apport will retrace?
[14:39] <superm1> yes
[14:40] <dekarl> hmm, might be nice to have an option in MCC "I want to be able to submit automatic bug reports" or similar
[14:40] <superm1> thats why in our apport job we have a line that checks if mythtv-dbg is installed right now
[14:40] <superm1> but we could make it more interactive such that if it's a crash don't let apport file it unless mythtv-dbg is installed
[14:41] <superm1> fortunately anyone from 12.04 will at least be on 0.25 gold and apport auto trace jobs work properly on anything in the archive - without mythtv-dbg installed
[14:41] <dekarl> suggesting something like "to make your bug report more useful its suggested to update *and* install the debugging symbols"
[14:41] <superm1> yup
[14:41] <superm1> mrand: thoughts^ ?
[14:43] <dekarl> I understand that the retrace will work until the user enables the updates from fixes/0.25, is that correct? So if the user updates his bug reports are less helpful? Thats not so nice ;)
[14:44] <dekarl> (the OS numbers at smolt made me look into the automatic bug reports again. If I understood correctly apport is enabled by default on 12.04 LTS)
[14:44] <superm1> dekarl: yeah that's the case
[14:44] <superm1> although we can also cheat and make mythtv-dbg a recommends on fixes/0.25 if we want
[14:45] <superm1> and that will just solve the problem
[14:45] <superm1> but yes apport is enabled by default on 12.04 LTS so that the new "Whoopsie" daemon works
[14:49] <dekarl> I'm not sure what "suggests" means for packages, but imho a gig or two worth of disk space (does mythtv-dbg pull in all other debug packages?) for each installation is a good investment to make good use of developer time.
[14:53] <patdk-lap> but I could fit another quarter of a movie if I didn't have them installed :)
[15:02] <superm1> well it's only another 50mb.  it doesn't pull in the other debug packages
[15:02] <superm1> the only problem is that's another 50mb on EVERY update, and you autobuilds.  it builds alot :)
[17:18] <mrand> superm1: other than the 50 MB of bandwidth (which multiplied by a bunch of people using the PPA), any downsides?
[17:18] <mrand> We need a way for smolt to gather what people are using (PPA vs. not)
[17:29] <superm1> mrand: won't smolt be able to tell because anyone with a version string that's > release is PPA?
[17:29] <superm1> mrand: but no, no other downsides that i see
[17:29] <superm1> and if it's a recommends, people who don't want it can get rid of it
[17:33] <mrand> superm1: true, but that isn't displayed on the smolt web page.  I'm guessing smolt has the data - just doesn't display it
[18:12] <superm1> mrand: yeah something like this http://smolt.mythtv.org/static/stats/stats.html
[18:12] <Zinn> [smolt.mythtv.org] Stats
[18:12] <superm1> that mythtv_data tab needs more
[19:39] <hello_pluto> Hello.  I have an AVerTVHD Bravo TV tuner.  Anyone know of any drivers out there for it?
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[20:00] <david> I've been trying to get my Hauppage remote control to work with mythtv.  It came with my Hauppage 2250.  I have successfully gotten my tuner recognized and it is working but the remote does not work.  I have read that it is not supported so I dug out an old Logitech IR mouse receiver.  I have read that you can use the mceusb driver for this but I cannot get it configured.  I am not very familiar with linux so please be explicit with any suggestions.
[20:53] <david> I am using mythbuntu and have configured ir in the mythbuntu control centre/infrared setup.  I selected enable a remote control, then chose windows media centre transceivers/remotes (all).  Next I rebooted.
[20:54] <david> After the reboot I tried irw but there are no keypresses registered in irw.
[20:55] <david> I have 2 files in /etc/lirc - hardware.conf and lircd.conf
[20:56] <david> Here is the hardware.conf:
[20:56] <david> REMOTE="Windows Media Center Transceivers/Remotes (all)"
[20:56] <david> REMOTE_MODULES="lirc_dev mceusb"
[20:56] <david> REMOTE_DRIVER=""
[20:56] <david> REMOTE_DEVICE="/dev/lirc0"
[20:56] <david> REMOTE_SOCKET=""
[20:56] <david> REMOTE_LIRCD_CONF="mceusb/lircd.conf.mceusb"
[20:56] <david> REMOTE_LIRCD_ARGS=""
[20:56] <david> TRANSMITTER="None"
[20:56] <david> TRANSMITTER_MODULES=""
[20:56] <david> TRANSMITTER_DRIVER=""
[20:56] <david> TRANSMITTER_DEVICE=""
[20:56] <david> TRANSMITTER_SOCKET=""
[20:56] <david> TRANSMITTER_LIRCD_CONF=""
[20:56] <david> TRANSMITTER_LIRCD_ARGS=""
[20:57] <david> START_LIRCD="true"
[20:57] <david> START_LIRCMD=""
[20:57] <david> LOAD_MODULES=""
[20:57] <david> LIRCMD_CONF=""
[20:57] <david> FORCE_NONINTERACTIVE_RECONFIGURATION="false"
[20:57] <david> ... and here is the lircd.conf......
[20:57] <david> #This configuration has been automatically generated via
[20:57] <david> #the Ubuntu LIRC package maintainer scripts.
[20:57] <david> #
[20:57] <david> #It includes the default configuration for the remote and/or
[20:57] <david> #transmitter that you have selected during package installation.
[20:57] <david> #
[20:57] <david> #Feel free to add any custom remotes to the configuration
[20:57] <david> #via additional include directives or below the existing
[20:57] <david> #Ubuntu include directives from your selected remote and/or
[20:58] <david> #transmitter.
[20:58] <david> #Configuration for the Windows Media Center Transceivers/Remotes (all) remote:
[20:58] <david> include "/usr/share/lirc/remotes/mceusb/lircd.conf.mceusb"
[21:04] <david> But..... looking at /dev there does not appear to be an lirc0 in there (only an lircd entry which points to /var/run/lirc/lircd).  I don't know what these /dev entries refer to so I'm not sure how to generate lirc0.....
[21:06] <david> My logitech IR receiver is being recognized.  It appears in lsusb:  Bus 002 Device 007: ID 046d:c501 Logitech, Inc. Cordless Mouse Receiver
[21:28] <mdurkq> Hey guys first time on mythtv irc, hope you can help
[21:28] <mdurkq> Hardware
[21:28] <mdurkq> 2GHz Athlon / 1GB Ram / HVR-1100 / PVR-150
[21:28] <mdurkq> Problem
[21:28] <mdurkq> My system records 2 channels with no problems, I didn't check ram usage while recording 2 channels, but I have a single recording going on now and it's using 933MB of my ram, how is it a single recording uses this much but has no issues recording 2 at the same time? Or am I just missing something totally?
[21:45] <Patrickdk> mdurkq, define, using 922mb of my ram
[21:50] <mdurkq> under info center, system status, machine, i think ive answered my own question while waiting for an answer though, im guess its to frontend using the ram not the recording, im running a backend w/ frontend setup
[21:50] <mdurkq> guessing its the*
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[23:50] <dekarl1> It would be nice if libmyth-0.26-0 would conflict with libmyth-0.25-0 (and older and vice versa) to avoid this http://paste.ubuntu.com/940392/
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