[00:10] http://spaceappschallenge.org/ [00:10] even nasa wants in on this bubble [00:55] anyone know kde-config is still in ubuntu 11.10? === gry is now known as gry2 === gry2 is now known as gry [02:51] hi [06:53] Good morning everyone! [07:53] Morning [08:12] morning [08:40] AlanBell: yummy eggs thanks [08:40] :) [09:31] good morning everyone, [10:42] evryone filled this in? http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/ [10:53] tempted by one of these http://www.ebuyer.com/268244-ocz-120gb-agility-3-ssd-agt3-25sat3-120g-agt3-25sat3-120g [11:00] you got that spam too huh? [11:00] thats what I have in my thinkpad [11:00] (the 240GB version) [11:00] it's double-plus quick [11:00] yeah, might go for a 240GB [11:01] just doing an analysis of what the 250GB in /home/alan actuall is [11:01] heh [11:01] i did the same [11:01] /dev/sda1 216G 153G 53G 75% / [11:01] I think I can remove a heap of old/duplicate VM images [11:01] not basd [11:01] *bad [11:01] yeah, VM, ISO, music and photo is what eats mine [11:02] so i unsubbed from my Ubuntu One Pictures folder and deleted all my photos [11:02] now I just let my desktop sync those, it has 1TB of rust and 120GB of ssd as root [11:02] 6GB photos and 1.3GB of music, it isn't that. 20GB in Downloads. [11:03] 4GB in desktop (which consists of various levels, where I occasionally create a folder called "desktop crap" on the desktop and drag everything into it [11:03] ) [11:03] I have no idea how deep that tree goes [11:08] haha, i do that too [11:08] which I have now moved to my server as "unsorted crap" [11:14] heh [11:14] yup, sounds familiar [11:15] also, do you do that thing where you go "ah, I'll wipe this drive, but I'll just copy /home somewhere first..." [11:15] and then never touch 'oldhome' ever again [11:15] only to find that its /home contains several layers of going "ah, I'll just copy /home..." [11:22] morning [11:23] i don't seem to have /home management problems [11:23] I don't either [11:24] I just have multiple backups [11:24] i just acquire things and order them by title and date if i think i might want them again [11:26] looking at moore's law on wikipedia, i now know who g. e. moore is [11:30] 131GB of virtualbox VMs [11:31] 20GB .thunderbird which is a bit more than I thought it would be [11:33] yes gordonjcp [11:34] drwx------ 1 root root 0 Apr 21 11:24 needs_sorting [12:10] ooh AlanBell that looks tempting [12:16] SSD is quite hard to choose [12:19] anyone know how to install kde-config package in ubuntu 11.10 64 bit? it appears in kde4 doesn't have kde-config anymore, it only exist in kde3 [12:19] AlanBell: I've ordered an Intel 330 120GB [12:19] AlanBell: because I like my current Intel 520 [12:22] cocoa117: tried the #kubuntu channel? [12:47] cocoa117: I can see there are still kde-config-whatever modules for individual bits [12:48] penguin42, yes, but when actually run apt-get install, it doesn't have the package [12:49] cocoa117: apt-get install on which package? [12:51] penguin42, sudo apt-get install kdelibs4c2a [12:52] penguin42, i was first searching package content with kde-config, and it shows this package contain it [12:52] cocoa117: oh this is 11.10 - hmm, I've got 12.04 on here and we're upto kdelibs5 [12:52] cocoa117: I never used kde-config - what does it do? [12:53] penguin42, i was compiling a package for Kaffeine, which in the ./configure it said it need kde-config [12:54] hmm not sure [12:55] trey kdelibs-bin [12:55] ~info kdelibs-bin oneiric [12:55] !info kdelibs-bin oneiric [12:56] kdelibs-bin (source: kde4libs): core executables for KDE Applications. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu0.1 (oneiric), package size 200 kB, installed size 936 kB [12:57] ali1234, lubotu3, it have already installed and no kde-config found === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [13:41] afternoon [13:41] 'ello [13:51] popey: didn't know you were in Young Dracula! http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvs3lj1kex1qzuidpo3_500.jpg :P [13:51] (see while channel surfing, obv...) [13:51] hi all [13:52] how can I remotely control my dad's ubuntu machine, considering he doesn't know much about computers? What's the easiest way? We are both behind routers and he wouldn't know how to forward a port [13:53] obviously I can try and explain to him step by step what to do [15:25] afternoon all [15:25] Hey Super [15:27] recently convinced a hardened Windows user [with all ingrained fears] to switch to "us" - the final convincincer was showing him there *is"* a graphical virus scanner if wanted. [15:29] * daubers shouts at copy dialogues [15:29] - thought I'd run it on *my* 12.04 & guess what - picked upp up 2 suspicious files from a fooder I use as backup fpr works [windoze] docs [15:29] * SuperEngineer sniggers loud &good [15:29] fooder? [15:30] please red folder [15:30] ;) [15:30] Silly thing. A copy dialogue has hidden itself and using the unity hoe folder icon (right click, show copy dialogue) doesn't bring it back [15:30] "hoe folder" [15:31] is that where you keep your adult themed pictures? [15:31] No, it's the one about garden tools :p [15:31] 8-) [15:32] darn - that was getting interesting [15:33] * SuperEngineer was calling out of window at humvees, "heya hoe folder" [15:33] * SuperEngineer slps wrist [15:33] ಠ_ಠ [15:34] SuperEngineer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Location_Protocol ? [15:36] Mari [15:36] ? [15:36] [my version of "growl"] [15:37] [say it - it sounds good with animal brain switched on [15:38] MartijnVdS, what's dutch for "Marl"? [15:38] I have no idea [15:38] the weather is just not good enough to sit in the park :( [15:38] SuperEngineer: What is it in English? [15:38] jacobw: Just lower your standards a bit! :) [15:38] it's "Marl" [15:39] SuperEngineer: Sure, but what category of things is it part of? [15:39] this is trivial example of recursion [15:39] jacobw, you need to learn speed sun bathing - or cloud dodging - or hiding behind trees from wind! [15:40] jacobw: Going for a run always works for me -- I stop caring about rain after a few miles :) [15:40] jacobw, for recursion, see... [15:40] i'm glad that it's brighter now than it was before the daylight saving switch [15:41] SuperEngineer: According to Google Translate, "marl" is "mergel" which is a kind of stone [15:41] SuperEngineer: Limburg is full of it (or used to be, anyway) [15:41] i want to start running this summer [15:41] * SuperEngineer checks home for a "daylight saving switch" [15:41] jacobw: Running in summer is great, except for the 35°C-days [15:42] i'll be living in rural bavaria, show it may one of few activities available on weekday evenings [15:42] s/show/so [15:42] jacobw: Beer will be another :) [15:42] :D [15:42] MartijnVdS, a kind of stoned sounds more fun - oh only I was younger [15:43] *if only [15:43] O..kay [15:45] openwrt [15:45] \o/ openwrt [15:45] c [15:46] Days away from 12.04 - I *know* I oughta delete my beta & reinstall... but after all that work, the bug hunts, the configuring to my exact liking ... [15:47] * SuperEngineer sulks [15:47] SuperEngineer: why delete the beta? [15:47] what is supported by openwrt that doess adsl? [15:47] half my brain keeps shouting "fresh start" [15:47] jacobw: look on their table of hardware page :) [15:48] precise is frozen now [15:49] jacobw, yup - it's that cold *everywhere* - even in Ubutuland [15:50] * jacobw walks to bank [15:51] when's the "point release"? [15:51] coz right now methinks it still abit buggy [15:52] in what way? [15:52] I know of a few [15:52] every release-date+3months [15:52] wrong [15:53] every 6 months starting 3 months after the release date [15:53] AlanBell, not the main distro - the apps available [15:53] ...they still haven't caught u [15:53] up [15:54] well there is a bit of a slow restructuring to get "apps" in and updated through a different process altogether [15:54] * SuperEngineer kicks this dirty keyboard [15:55] the apps review board is an attempt to do that but I am not sure how well it is going [15:55] yeh... that much I know - but I'm an optimist [15:55] ;) [15:56] * SuperEngineer hunts synaptic for "clean my darn keyboard" app - but none found :( [15:57] * penguin42 hands SuperEngineer a screwdriver and brush [15:58] * SuperEngineer hands SuperEngineer a virtual can of air duster... but you know... that old fable re the cobbler's shoes *does* hold true [16:00] ? [16:01] MartijnVdS: Cobbler being one who repairs shoes, and the old fable is that the cobblers shoes are the worst [16:01] ah [16:01] this explains why wifi at work sucks ;) [16:01] (I work at an ISP) [16:01] exactly [16:01] Also, why GPRS/3G reception is non-existent (building = owned KPN) [16:03] and why I had to cry tears of blood when a sysadmin(!) coworker upgraded his maverick box (to natty, oneiric, precise) and Nvidia drivers were broken [16:03] btw thanks penguin42 for explaination - was at kettle and coffee cup at the time [16:03] And he didn't understand unity [16:03] etc. [16:08] OK folks, I am after a little help on this one. I have Ubuntu Server which I am setting up as a test. I have a shared folder that several users can log into and permissions are set at RW for all users, however when a user saves a file to the folder it is locked to that user as the owner. I need anyone to be able to edit the file. All help is appreciated. [16:17] redcap: Add all your users who can edit to a group, then make sure all the files get owned by that group [16:18] and make sure they're group read/writeable [16:24] I created a group named linuxusers and added all the users. In the permissions for the target folder I added the group and set the permissions, but I have obviously missed something as any file seems to retain the authors permissions? [16:28] redcap: What does ls -l on the files show? [16:36] owner RW group R other R. I think I need to look at the group permissions again [16:41] redcap: Yeh so be careful about the umask [16:44] is it just me or is there now no way in G+ to browse photos in your circles albums? [16:45] permissions on the folder for the group seem to be set but it does not see to recursively (sp?) set the permissions for individual files saved there? [16:46] redcap: Correct, those perms get set when something creates them [16:46] redcap: how are your users writing to this folder? ftp? webdav? nfs? [17:00] files uploading to my server at a whopping 400bytes/s [17:00] 70kb/17mb 8 hours remaining \o/ [17:00] you using IP over avian carrier? [17:01] I swapped my router for a sponge [17:01] Chaps, thanks for your help, having set the folders permissions again, it seems to be working now. All the best. [17:13] oooh, up to 1kb/s now [17:14] ah, just figured out the problem. busy updating and its using all the bandwidth [17:14] 600mb update today :( [17:19] Does anyone know how I can get a direct link to the ICQ for Linux download? [17:19] The link on the page http://www.icq.com/download/linux/en doesn't seem to do anything, and it's a flash application so I can't just read the source to find the file location [17:25] reaper4334: why not just use something like empathy? [17:25] I tried Empathy and Pidgin, but neither seem to allow Group Chat with ICQ [19:18] ssshhhhh! [20:27] evening [20:34] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4OTk [20:34] golly [20:36] good idea to release on a Thursday, Fridays are a bad day to release [20:37] bleh, spending the evening looking at uplighters is dull [20:37] ikea splurgle splurt uplighters? [20:37] hope they do finally do steam for linux [20:37] penguin42: screwfix splurgle splurgle [20:37] and some games [20:37] popey: Steam on linux would definatley be ftw [20:37] see link above [20:38] there is news on steam for linux? [20:38] 21:34:12 < popey> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4OTk [20:38] looks like there will be this week [20:38] :D [20:38] popey: work in progress: https://github.com/bigcalm/irssi-proxy-backlog-monitor [20:38] they should let someone embed wine too [20:39] Patches welcome (tm) [20:39] heh [20:39] does it work? [20:40] Current status: handles proxy client connect/disconnect. Starts recording backlog upon client disconnect. [20:40] Todo: send back log to proxy client upon reconnect [20:40] popey: partly :D [20:40] heh [20:40] do you need to record it? [20:40] can't you just note the time? [20:41] and spew from the log at them? [20:41] They might not have logging enabled [20:41] I know I don't [20:41] hmm [20:42] But yes, that is a possible option instead of writing ones own logs [20:42] But it still leaves me needing to send conect to the proxy client [20:42] Not wroked that bit out yet [20:44] i think many counter strike people are linux people [20:46] should give the graphics driver guys some good testing :-) [20:46] ha [20:47] jacobw: Some packages really need very very extensive testing! [20:47] jacobw, doesn't the fact many on linux can already play games, mean it is a waste of resources porting steam and games? [20:47] :/ [20:48] i don't think so [20:49] hope not [20:49] :) [20:50] people who use linux and play games will be happier if they do both of those things together [20:50] ofc [20:50] but it may not mean so many extra sales [20:50] linux people make other people like the things that they like [20:51] hamitron: It might, it might be worth a try though - although they'll have to also deal with different support as well; having said that I bet a lot of the guys who write it are Linux guys anyway [20:51] if linux people like steam, then linux people will make other people like steam, which is good for valve and people who like their games [20:51] :D [20:51] whoa.. big train crash [20:51] i.e. me [20:52] 136 wounded [20:52] where? [20:54] amsterdam [20:54] head on :o [20:54] ah, ok [20:54] well, not ok obviously [20:54] ;/ [20:58] Head-on collision [20:58] Wonder how that happened... [20:59] maybe the new Siemens train (the white one) still had software problems after all (making it possible to cross a red signal) [21:00] or maybe the signal couldn't be seen easy [21:00] there's far more to it than seeing signals [21:00] then the train stops [21:00] all kinds of interlocks [21:00] or maybe the wrong type of rain caused a junction to act weird [21:01] The "transport safety council" has opened an investigation [21:01] we'll see [21:01] :) [21:14] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17799940 [21:18] one flew over cuckoo's nest, interesting film. [21:19] Old film. [21:19] yes. [21:20] 75. [21:20] is thsat got jack nicolson in it [21:20] Did anybody watch El Clásico? [21:20] zleap: yes. [21:23] we watched that at school [21:23] that [21:23] grr [21:38] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-in-uproar-over-oral-sex-antismoking-posters-1908559.html [21:40] jacobw: 2 years ago [21:41] WEDNESDAY 24 FEBRUARY 2010 [21:41] google news [21:41] actually i can't remember how i got there [21:41] it started with google news [21:43] i see, google news links to the independent which links to facebook which links to the most popular stories from the independent on facebook at this time [21:43] simples :D