[00:10] <ali1234> http://spaceappschallenge.org/
[00:10] <ali1234> even nasa wants in on this bubble
[00:55] <cocoa117> anyone know kde-config is still in ubuntu 11.10?
[02:51] <Mostovoi> hi
[06:53] <MartijnVdS> Good morning everyone!
[07:53] <popey> Morning
[08:12] <AlanBell> morning
[08:40] <popey> AlanBell: yummy eggs thanks
[08:40] <AlanBell> :)
[09:31] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:42] <AlanBell> evryone filled this in? http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/
[10:53] <AlanBell> tempted by one of these http://www.ebuyer.com/268244-ocz-120gb-agility-3-ssd-agt3-25sat3-120g-agt3-25sat3-120g
[11:00] <popey> you got that spam too huh?
[11:00] <popey> thats what I have in my thinkpad
[11:00] <popey> (the 240GB version)
[11:00] <popey> it's double-plus quick
[11:00] <AlanBell> yeah, might go for a 240GB
[11:01] <AlanBell> just doing an analysis of what the 250GB in /home/alan actuall is
[11:01] <popey> heh
[11:01] <popey> i did the same
[11:01] <popey> /dev/sda1            216G  153G   53G  75% /
[11:01] <AlanBell> I think I can remove a heap of old/duplicate VM images
[11:01] <popey> not basd
[11:01] <popey> *bad
[11:01] <popey> yeah, VM, ISO, music and photo is what eats mine
[11:02] <popey> so i unsubbed from my Ubuntu One Pictures folder and deleted all my photos
[11:02] <popey> now I just let my desktop sync those, it has 1TB of rust and 120GB of ssd as root
[11:02] <AlanBell> 6GB photos and 1.3GB of music, it isn't that. 20GB in Downloads.
[11:03] <AlanBell> 4GB in desktop (which consists of various levels, where I occasionally create a folder called "desktop crap" on the desktop and drag everything into it
[11:03] <AlanBell> )
[11:03] <AlanBell> I have no idea how deep that tree goes
[11:08] <popey> haha, i do that too
[11:08] <popey> which I have now moved to my server as "unsorted crap"
[11:14] <gordonjcp> heh
[11:14] <gordonjcp> yup, sounds familiar
[11:15] <gordonjcp> also, do you do that thing where you go "ah, I'll wipe this drive, but I'll just copy /home somewhere first..."
[11:15] <shauno> and then never touch 'oldhome' ever again
[11:15] <gordonjcp> only to find that its /home contains several layers of going "ah, I'll just copy /home..."
[11:22] <jacobw> morning
[11:23] <jacobw> i don't seem to have /home management problems
[11:23] <gordonjcp> I don't either
[11:24] <gordonjcp> I just have multiple backups
[11:24] <jacobw> i just acquire things and order them by title and date if i think i might want  them again
[11:26] <jacobw> looking at moore's law on wikipedia, i now know who g. e. moore is
[11:30] <AlanBell> 131GB of virtualbox VMs
[11:31] <AlanBell> 20GB .thunderbird which is a bit more than I thought it would be
[11:33] <popey> yes gordonjcp
[11:34] <popey> drwx------ 1 root root   0 Apr 21 11:24 needs_sorting
[12:10] <dutchie> ooh AlanBell that looks tempting
[12:16] <AlanBell> SSD is quite hard to choose
[12:19] <cocoa117> anyone know how to install kde-config package in ubuntu 11.10 64 bit? it appears in kde4 doesn't have kde-config anymore, it only exist in kde3
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I've ordered an Intel 330 120GB
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: because I like my current Intel 520
[12:22] <AlanBell> cocoa117: tried the #kubuntu channel?
[12:47] <penguin42> cocoa117: I can see there are still kde-config-whatever modules for individual bits
[12:48] <cocoa117> penguin42, yes, but when actually run apt-get install, it doesn't have the package
[12:49] <penguin42> cocoa117: apt-get install on which package?
[12:51] <cocoa117> penguin42, sudo apt-get install kdelibs4c2a
[12:52] <cocoa117> penguin42, i was first searching package content with kde-config, and it shows this package contain it
[12:52] <penguin42> cocoa117: oh this is 11.10 - hmm, I've got 12.04 on here and we're upto kdelibs5
[12:52] <penguin42> cocoa117: I never used kde-config - what does it do?
[12:53] <cocoa117> penguin42, i was compiling a package for Kaffeine, which in the ./configure it said it need kde-config
[12:54] <penguin42> hmm not sure
[12:55] <ali1234> trey kdelibs-bin
[12:55] <ali1234> ~info kdelibs-bin oneiric
[12:55] <ali1234> !info kdelibs-bin oneiric
[12:57] <cocoa117> ali1234, lubotu3, it have already installed and no kde-config found
[13:41] <popey> afternoon
[13:41] <mgdm> 'ello
[13:51] <mgdm> popey: didn't know you were in Young Dracula! http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvs3lj1kex1qzuidpo3_500.jpg :P
[13:51] <mgdm> (see while channel surfing, obv...)
[13:51] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[13:52] <pr0ph3t> how can I remotely control my dad's ubuntu machine, considering he doesn't know much about computers? What's the easiest way? We are both behind routers and he wouldn't know how to forward a port
[13:53] <pr0ph3t> obviously I can try and explain to him step by step what to do
[15:25] <SuperEngineer> afternoon all
[15:25] <penguin42> Hey Super
[15:27] <SuperEngineer> recently convinced a hardened Windows user [with all ingrained fears] to switch to "us" - the final convincincer was showing him there *is"* a graphical virus scanner if wanted.
[15:29]  * daubers shouts at copy dialogues
[15:29] <SuperEngineer> - thought I'd run it on *my* 12.04 & guess what - picked upp up 2 suspicious files from a fooder I use as backup fpr works [windoze] docs
[15:29]  * SuperEngineer sniggers loud &good
[15:29] <SuperEngineer> fooder?
[15:30] <SuperEngineer> please red folder
[15:30] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:30] <daubers> Silly thing. A copy dialogue has hidden itself and using the unity hoe folder icon (right click, show copy dialogue) doesn't bring it back
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> "hoe folder"
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> is that where you keep your adult themed pictures?
[15:31] <daubers> No, it's the one about garden tools :p
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[15:32] <SuperEngineer> darn - that was getting interesting
[15:33]  * SuperEngineer was calling out of window at humvees, "heya hoe folder"
[15:33]  * SuperEngineer slps wrist
[15:33] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Location_Protocol ?
[15:36] <SuperEngineer> Mari
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> ?
[15:36] <SuperEngineer> [my version of "growl"]
[15:37] <SuperEngineer> [say it - it sounds good with animal brain switched on
[15:38] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS, what's dutch for "Marl"?
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea
[15:38] <jacobw> the weather is just not good enough to sit in the park :(
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: What is it in English?
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Just lower your standards a bit! :)
[15:38] <SuperEngineer> it's "Marl"
[15:39] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: Sure, but what category of things is it part of?
[15:39] <jacobw> this is trivial example of recursion
[15:39] <SuperEngineer> jacobw, you need to learn speed sun bathing - or cloud dodging - or hiding behind trees from wind!
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Going for a run always works for me -- I stop caring about rain after a few miles :)
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> jacobw, for recursion, see...
[15:40] <jacobw> i'm glad that it's brighter now than it was before the daylight saving switch
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: According to Google Translate, "marl" is "mergel" which is a kind of stone
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: Limburg is full of it (or used to be, anyway)
[15:41] <jacobw> i want to start running this summer
[15:41]  * SuperEngineer checks home for a "daylight saving switch"
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Running in summer is great, except for the 35°C-days
[15:42] <jacobw> i'll be living in rural bavaria, show it may one of few activities available on weekday evenings
[15:42] <jacobw> s/show/so
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Beer will be another :)
[15:42] <jacobw> :D
[15:42] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS, a kind of stoned sounds more fun - oh only I was younger
[15:43] <SuperEngineer> *if only
[15:43] <MartijnVdS> O..kay
[15:45] <jacobw> openwrt
[15:45] <MartijnVdS> \o/ openwrt
[15:45] <czajkowski> c
[15:46] <SuperEngineer> Days away from 12.04 - I *know* I oughta delete my beta & reinstall... but after all that work, the bug hunts, the configuring to my exact liking ...
[15:47]  * SuperEngineer sulks
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: why delete the beta?
[15:47] <jacobw> what is supported by openwrt that doess adsl?
[15:47] <SuperEngineer> half my brain keeps shouting "fresh start"
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: look on their table of hardware page :)
[15:48] <jacobw> precise is frozen now
[15:49] <SuperEngineer> jacobw, yup - it's that cold *everywhere* - even in Ubutuland
[15:50]  * jacobw walks to bank
[15:51] <SuperEngineer> when's the "point release"?
[15:51] <SuperEngineer> coz right now methinks it still abit buggy
[15:52] <AlanBell> in what way?
[15:52] <AlanBell> I know of a few
[15:52] <jacobw> every release-date+3months
[15:52] <jacobw> wrong
[15:53] <jacobw> every 6 months starting 3 months after the release date
[15:53] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell, not the main distro - the apps available
[15:53] <SuperEngineer> ...they still haven't caught u
[15:53] <SuperEngineer> up
[15:54] <AlanBell> well there is a bit of a slow restructuring to get "apps" in and updated through a different process altogether
[15:54]  * SuperEngineer kicks this dirty keyboard
[15:55] <AlanBell> the apps review board is an attempt to do that but I am not sure how well it is going
[15:55] <SuperEngineer> yeh... that much I know - but I'm an optimist
[15:55] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:56]  * SuperEngineer hunts synaptic for "clean my darn keyboard" app - but none found :(
[15:57]  * penguin42 hands SuperEngineer a screwdriver and brush
[15:58]  * SuperEngineer hands SuperEngineer a virtual can of air duster... but you know... that old fable re the cobbler's shoes *does* hold true
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> ?
[16:01] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Cobbler being one who repairs shoes, and the old fable is that the cobblers shoes are the worst
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> ah
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> this explains why wifi at work sucks ;)
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> (I work at an ISP)
[16:01] <penguin42> exactly
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> Also, why GPRS/3G reception is non-existent (building = owned KPN)
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> and why I had to cry tears of blood when a sysadmin(!) coworker upgraded his maverick box (to natty, oneiric, precise) and Nvidia drivers were broken
[16:03] <SuperEngineer> btw thanks penguin42 for explaination - was at kettle and coffee cup at the time
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> And he didn't understand unity
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[16:08] <redcap> OK folks, I am after a little help on this one.  I have Ubuntu Server which I am setting up as a test.  I have a shared folder that several users can log into and permissions are set at RW for all users, however when a user saves a file to the folder it is locked to that user as the owner.  I need anyone to be able to edit the file.  All help is appreciated.
[16:17] <penguin42> redcap: Add all your users who can edit to a group, then make sure all the files get owned by that group
[16:18] <penguin42> and make sure they're group read/writeable
[16:24] <redcap> I created a group named linuxusers and added all the users.  In the permissions for the target folder I added the group  and set the permissions, but I have obviously missed something as any file seems to retain the authors permissions?
[16:28] <penguin42> redcap: What does ls -l on the files show?
[16:36] <redcap> owner RW group R other R.  I think I need to look at the group permissions again
[16:41] <penguin42> redcap: Yeh so be careful about the umask
[16:44] <penguin42> is it just me or is there now no way in G+ to browse photos in your circles albums?
[16:45] <redcap> permissions on the folder for the group seem to be set but it does not see to recursively (sp?) set the permissions for individual files saved there?
[16:46] <penguin42> redcap: Correct, those perms get set when something creates them
[16:46] <penguin42> redcap: how are your users writing to this folder? ftp? webdav? nfs?
[17:00] <dogmatic69> files uploading to my server at a whopping 400bytes/s
[17:00] <dogmatic69> 70kb/17mb 8 hours remaining \o/
[17:00] <penguin42> you using IP over avian carrier?
[17:01] <dogmatic69> I swapped my router for a sponge
[17:01] <redcap> Chaps, thanks for your help, having set the folders permissions again, it seems to be working now.  All the best.
[17:13] <dogmatic69> oooh, up to 1kb/s now
[17:14] <dogmatic69> ah, just figured out the problem. busy updating and its using all the bandwidth
[17:14] <dogmatic69> 600mb update today :(
[17:19] <reaper4334> Does anyone know how I can get a direct link to the ICQ for Linux download?
[17:19] <reaper4334> The link on the page http://www.icq.com/download/linux/en doesn't seem to do anything, and it's a flash application so I can't just read the source to find the file location
[17:25] <gordonjcp> reaper4334: why not just use something like empathy?
[17:25] <reaper4334> I tried Empathy and Pidgin, but neither seem to allow Group Chat with ICQ
[19:18] <SuperEngineer> ssshhhhh!
[20:27] <jacobw> evening
[20:34] <popey> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4OTk
[20:34] <popey> golly
[20:36] <penguin42> good idea to release on a Thursday, Fridays are a bad day to release
[20:37] <daubers> bleh, spending the evening looking at uplighters is dull
[20:37] <penguin42> ikea splurgle splurt uplighters?
[20:37] <popey> hope they do finally do steam for linux
[20:37] <daubers> penguin42: screwfix splurgle splurgle
[20:37] <popey> and some games
[20:37] <daubers> popey: Steam on linux would definatley be ftw
[20:37] <popey> see link above
[20:38] <hamitron> there is news on steam for linux?
[20:38] <popey> 21:34:12 < popey> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4OTk
[20:38] <popey> looks like there will be this week
[20:38] <hamitron> :D
[20:38] <bigcalm> popey: work in progress: https://github.com/bigcalm/irssi-proxy-backlog-monitor
[20:38] <hamitron> they should let someone embed wine too
[20:39] <bigcalm> Patches welcome (tm)
[20:39] <popey> heh
[20:39] <popey> does it work?
[20:40] <bigcalm> Current status: handles proxy client connect/disconnect. Starts recording backlog upon client disconnect.
[20:40] <bigcalm> Todo: send back log to proxy client upon reconnect
[20:40] <bigcalm> popey: partly :D
[20:40] <popey> heh
[20:40] <popey> do you need to record it?
[20:40] <popey> can't you just note the time?
[20:41] <popey> and spew from the log at them?
[20:41] <bigcalm> They might not have logging enabled
[20:41] <bigcalm> I know I don't
[20:41] <popey> hmm
[20:42] <bigcalm> But yes, that is a possible option instead of writing ones own logs
[20:42] <bigcalm> But it still leaves me needing to send conect to the proxy client
[20:42] <bigcalm> Not wroked that bit out yet
[20:44] <jacobw> i think many counter strike people are linux people
[20:46] <penguin42> should give the graphics driver guys some good testing :-)
[20:46] <jacobw> ha
[20:47] <penguin42> jacobw: Some packages really need very very extensive testing!
[20:47] <hamitron> jacobw, doesn't the fact many on linux can already play games, mean it is a waste of resources porting steam and games?
[20:47] <hamitron> :/
[20:48] <jacobw> i don't think so
[20:49] <hamitron> hope not
[20:49] <hamitron> :)
[20:50] <jacobw> people who use linux and play games will be happier if they do both of those things together
[20:50] <hamitron> ofc
[20:50] <hamitron> but it may not mean so many extra sales
[20:50] <jacobw> linux people make other people like the things that they like
[20:51] <penguin42> hamitron: It might, it might be worth a try though - although they'll have to also deal with different support as well; having said that I bet a lot of the guys who write it are Linux guys anyway
[20:51] <jacobw> if linux people like steam, then linux people will make other people like steam, which is good for valve and people who like their games
[20:51] <jacobw> :D
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> whoa.. big train crash
[20:51] <jacobw> i.e. me
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> 136 wounded
[20:52] <hamitron> where?
[20:54] <jacobw> amsterdam
[20:54] <jacobw> head on :o
[20:54] <hamitron> ah, ok
[20:54] <hamitron> well, not ok obviously
[20:54] <hamitron> ;/
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> Head-on collision
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> Wonder how that happened...
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> maybe the new Siemens train (the white one) still had software problems after all (making it possible to cross a red signal)
[21:00] <hamitron> or maybe the signal couldn't be seen easy
[21:00] <mgdm> there's far more to it than seeing signals
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> then the train stops
[21:00] <mgdm> all kinds of interlocks
[21:00] <hamitron> or maybe the wrong type of rain caused a junction to act weird
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> The "transport safety council" has opened an investigation
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> we'll see
[21:01] <hamitron> :)
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17799940
[21:18] <brobostigon> one flew over cuckoo's nest, interesting film.
[21:19] <MarquessDeBonBon> Old film.
[21:19] <brobostigon> yes.
[21:20] <brobostigon> 75.
[21:20] <zleap> is thsat got jack nicolson in it
[21:20] <MarquessDeBonBon> Did anybody watch El Clásico?
[21:20] <brobostigon> zleap: yes.
[21:23] <zleap> we watched that at school
[21:23] <zleap> that
[21:23] <zleap> grr
[21:38] <jacobw> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-in-uproar-over-oral-sex-antismoking-posters-1908559.html
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: 2 years ago
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> WEDNESDAY 24 FEBRUARY 2010
[21:41] <jacobw> google news
[21:41] <jacobw> actually i can't remember how i got there
[21:41] <jacobw> it started with google news
[21:43] <jacobw> i see, google news links to the independent which links to facebook which links to the most popular stories from the independent on facebook at this time
[21:43] <jacobw> simples :D