[00:30] <shadeslayer> yay
[00:30] <shadeslayer> yofel_: I haz EFI boot
[00:30] <shadeslayer> with 12 W of power usage
[00:30] <shadeslayer> need to figure out how to get backlight control though
[00:32] <yofel_> \o/
[00:32] <shadeslayer> figured it out
[00:33] <shadeslayer> changing /sys/class/backlight/gmux_backlight/brightness changes brightness
[00:35] <shadeslayer> yofel: plus I get SATA features ( used IDE in BIOS Emulation mode )
[01:01] <xubu2> hi. I see this kubuntu-active thing but it's only 32-bits.  I see a pkg in 64-bit but it says conflicts with itself?
[01:01] <xubu2> How is that?
[01:02] <xubu2> Can I install it alongside with kubuntu desktop and will appear in kdm as session choice?
[01:05] <xubu2> Package: kubuntu-active ...Conflicts: kubuntu-active???
[01:09] <xubu2> ah never mind.  looks like kubuntu-desktop does conflicts with itself too.  nice touch  :)
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: is there anything I should be looking for wrt usb-creator?
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> it seems to prompt me my password for erasing the usb disk
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> hmm, it seems to have hung afterwards, but the polkit stuff works fine it would seem
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> the polkit stuff is done in a helper common to both GUIs, so presumably it'll be a problem for both frontends
[02:06] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: thanks.  any ideas why it hung then?
[02:06] <ScottK> It worked fine if I ran it with kdesudo.
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> actually, it hangs during the erase for me if I use kdesudo too, so that may be something else entirely
[02:08] <ScottK> OK.
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> but yeah, I get the policykit dialog when not running as root
[02:09]  * ScottK tries again.
[02:11] <ScottK> Worked perfect this time (I hit it during bootloader install myself)
[02:12] <ScottK> "Stuff happens"tm
[02:30] <ScottK> So what happened to all these people that were going to do ISO testing ...
[02:37] <Darkwing> I know a lot of people who use unetbootin
[02:59] <kamilnadeem> Hi Everyone
[03:00] <kamilnadeem> I have installed Kubuntu 12.04 and it is working fine. I have a few questions so if anyone would be kind enough to provide me the answers to it as I am planning to do a screencast of Kubuntu 12.04
[03:01] <ScottK> Darkwing: It's working fine now. I think I had a fluke of some kind.
[03:01] <ScottK> kamilnadeem: Ask, and if someone has answers and time, they will answer them.
[03:01] <kamilnadeem> I had heard that Calligra would be the default Office suite but why is still LO here?
[03:01] <kamilnadeem> ScottK: Thanks
[03:03] <ScottK> kamilnadeem: Calligra is on the dvd.  It's release came too late for us to really consider it this time.  It's a general Kubuntu policy to ship KDE apps unless there's a strong reason not to.
[03:03] <ScottK> KOffice was really never up to it.  We'll have to look at Calligra for next time though.
[03:04] <kamilnadeem> ScottK: Okay, I know about the Kubuntu philosophy of showcasing the best in KDE. 
[03:05] <kamilnadeem> ScottK: I have installed Calligra at the moment and if all goes well with it will do a special screencast of that also 
[03:06] <kamilnadeem> I am really enjoying Telepathy, I also see that Kopete has also been made available which is a good thing as some people are skeptical about telepathy.
[03:07] <kamilnadeem> One final thing, are there any more design/feature related updates to come in before the final release?
[03:08] <Darkwing> The only issue I have with Calligra is the lack of saving as doc/docx. I still have not figured out how.
[03:09] <kamilnadeem> Sorry I closed quassel by mistake.
[03:09] <Darkwing> The only issue I have with Calligra is the lack of saving as doc/docx. I still have not figured out how.
[03:11] <ScottK> kamilnadeem: In the end we decided to keep Kopete as the default for this release.  We'll switch to KDE Telepathy for the next one.  It is very promising, but in the end we concluded it needed a little more time to bake before we made it default.
[03:12] <kamilnadeem> ScottK: Okay.
[03:14] <Darkwing> with a lot of schools, doc/docx is a must IMO
[03:15] <kamilnadeem> Darkwing: Yes, it is sad but it is the truth. Open Standards would be better but it will change as more and more officially adopt FOSS
[03:15] <Darkwing> Yes, it will be and it should be.
[03:15] <Darkwing> But, there is a fact that it currently does not. :(
[03:18] <kamilnadeem> Darkwing: Also not having the options to save files in M$ office is serous handicap 
[03:18] <kamilnadeem> Calligra couldn't have been the default anyway
[03:18] <Darkwing> Yup. :/
[03:21] <kamilnadeem> Thanks for the helpl, I will be going now. Best of Luck for the release friends. Looking forward to a good future of Kubuntu(I don't want the name to be chnaged :D). Take Care.
[07:42] <jussi> agateau: ping?
[08:50] <jussi> anyone on 12.04 about to test something for me? 
[11:06] <kamilnadeem> Hi Everyone.
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:48] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: Hi
[12:48] <kamilnadeem> Long time :)
[12:52] <BluesKaj> hi kamilnadeem
[17:54] <jussi> shadeslayer: are you actually here? 
[17:55] <jussi> or anyone else for that matter? 
[17:57] <yofel> jussi: me, somewhat
[17:57] <jussi> yofel: can you do a quick test for me? (on 12.04)
[17:57] <yofel> for what?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:58] <skfin> yofel: You were supposed to be quiet
[17:58]  * shadeslayer is setting up cowbuilder and stuff
[17:58] <skfin> When somebody asks if someone is here, we shall remain quiet
[17:58] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:58] <jussi> yofel: with icon only task manager, try making libreoffic (any of them) "show an launcher when not running"
[17:58] <jussi> hi shadeslayer
[17:58] <shadeslayer> hey ho
[17:59] <yofel> hm, intresting failure
[17:59] <shadeslayer> turns out they're restarting the N9/N950 Device program
[17:59] <yofel> *interesting
[17:59] <jussi> shadeslayer: what???
[17:59] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:59] <jussi> yofel: so you got the pick a program dialog?
[18:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: can't be hard to do better with that than with that lumia thing hrhr
[18:00] <yofel> jussi: yup
[18:00] <shadeslayer> hah
[18:00] <jussi> yofel: good, at least it isnt me
[18:00]  * yofel wonders when that started
[18:01] <jussi> yofel: I only noticed it today
[18:01] <yofel> or was it only the default task manager that simply didn't show that option?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: jussi http://maemo.org/community/maemo-community/n9_device_seeding_activity/
[18:01] <jussi> default task manager has that option too iirc
[18:01] <yofel> jussi: right, but for libreoffice entries it was never there
[18:01] <yofel> it disabled it when it couldn't parse the desktop file
[18:02] <jussi> ahh
[18:02]  * shadeslayer wrestles with his test
[18:02] <yofel> or whatever
[18:03] <jussi> yofel: also, do you have an icon for  LO present (or whatever the damn thing is called)?
[18:03] <yofel> libreoffice writer does show the proper icon (a while ago it only showed the X symbol)
[18:04] <jussi> finally, anyone know how I can get oxygen application style again?  its missing from my drop down in system settings -> application appearance
[18:04] <jussi> yofel: yes, writer and spreadsheet are fine, present is not here
[18:05] <yofel> writer, calc, impress and draw all have the proper icons
[18:07] <jussi> hrm
[18:07] <jussi> so, any clues on the style thing? 
[18:09] <yofel> not really, not sure where that's in. Is kubuntu-desktop still installed? (shooting into the blue)
[18:11] <yofel> jussi: or more likely, is kde-style-oxygen still installed?
[18:12] <jussi> yofel: yes
[18:12] <jussi> yofel: I just found this... got to look at if it works yet : https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=137257
[18:20] <shadeslayer> jussi: make sure kde-style-oxygen is installed?
[18:21] <jussi> shadeslayer: that arch forums thing had the answer - delete ~/.config/Trolltech.conf and resart kde
[18:21] <shadeslayer> oh my
[18:21] <shadeslayer> isn't that file important?
[18:23] <shadeslayer> or does it get regenerated everytime?
[18:24] <tsimpson> it's mostly just the users default style and plugin cache
[18:30] <yofel> jussi: do you have a self built kde version around? esp. the oxygen libs are usually binary incompatible between kde releases
[18:31] <jussi> yofel: nope, but this was an upgrade from oneiric
[18:31] <yofel> should've worked then...
[18:37] <ScottK> ISO testing please....  There's lots to go.
[18:43] <BluesKaj> ScottK, I would, but my test pc needs a working mobo atm , been searching the e-stores for a replacement and as soon as I find one that doesn't double the asking price with their phony shipping quotes I'll be back in business
[18:44] <ScottK> OK
[18:56] <snele> ScottK: when I finish testing, I should check what I tested (for ex. "live session") and then click on "passed with no bugs". Is that all?
[18:57] <ScottK> snele: Assuming there we no bugs, yes.  If you have any relevant comments (perhaps additional testing you did beyond the test case) you can add those too.
[18:57] <snele> ok
[21:31] <dantti> hi, amarok is leaking a lot these days does someone knows if a there's a fix already?
[21:38] <ScottK> Mamarok: ^^^ ?
[21:39] <Mamarok> dantti: which version? Leaking what exactly? I use 2.5-git on Precise and haven't seen a leak recently
[21:40] <dantti> Mamarok: I'm using the precise version
[21:40] <dantti> each new track leaks a bit more
[21:40] <Mamarok> dantti: which is 2.5, and again, what leak? CPU, RAM?
[21:40] <dantti> so if this thing runs the whole day it's eating 500mb as of now :P
[21:41] <Mamarok> could you answer my question?
[21:41] <dantti> ram
[21:41] <dantti> memory leak
[21:42] <Mamarok> let me check if we have reports for that
[21:44] <Mamarok> dantti: there are several reports, you should run valgrind to check where it is leaking, as the reports are not on the same parts:
[21:44] <Mamarok> bug 284087 for example
[21:45] <Mamarok> gah, wrong bug, sorry: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284087
[21:45] <dantti> Mamarok: do I need to use a compiled version so you can know the line numbers?
[21:45] <Mamarok> dantti: you need the *-dbg package installed
[21:45] <dantti> ok
[21:45] <Mamarok> do you know how to run valgrind?
[21:46] <Mamarok> dantti: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tools/Valgrind
[21:46] <dantti> --leak-check=full an track origns is enough right?
[21:47] <Mamarok> yes, certainly
[22:01] <dantti> Mamarok: http://pastebin.com/H7tEqcG6  it seems that it has two mem checks (maybe because of the kunique fork.. dunno)
[22:03] <Mamarok> dantti: could you try the phonon-backend-vlc instead of the gstreamer one?
[22:04] <dantti> Mamarok: can I use xine one?
[22:04] <Mamarok> and install the debugging symbols for all dependencies
[22:04] <Mamarok> dantti: no, there is no more xine backend in precise, it is deprecated since quite some time
[22:04] <dantti> well it's listed on phonon backens...
[22:04] <Mamarok> where?
[22:05] <dantti> well on my machine it didn't get removed... anyways dbg of vlc?
[22:05] <Mamarok> certainly not from the Phonon devs, as they communicated the deprecation more than a year ago
[22:06] <Mamarok> it is up to the distros to remove deprecated packages, so it should have been removed already, even Debian did it :)
[22:06] <Mamarok> dantti: -dbg of all dependencies, kdelibs included
[22:06] <dantti> maybe the upgrade process forgot to remove the obsoletes..
[22:07] <dantti> the kdelibs and qt is already included as it's requided from amarok dbg
[22:08] <dantti> *for
[22:08] <Mamarok> OK
[22:09] <Mamarok> and you need the -dbg of the phonon backend, not of vlc
[22:12] <dantti> yes it still leaks, let me run valgrind
[22:25] <dantti> Mamarok: http://privatepaste.com/45263f7f39
[22:25] <dantti> as you can see no matter the backend it's leaking a lot
[22:30] <Mamarok> dantti: do you use any external scripts?
[22:31] <dantti> Mamarok: prety much just what came with it
[22:31] <dantti> I didn't installed any 3rd party ones
[22:31] <Mamarok> OK, just to rule that out
[22:31] <Mamarok> and you get the same leak with the vlc backend?
[22:31] <dantti> yes
[22:32] <dantti> just press next and the mem usage keeps getting higher
[22:32] <dantti> about 2mb per track.. i think
[22:32] <Mamarok> could you please get a vlagrind output with the vlc backend as well?
[22:33] <dantti> Mamarok: the last one I did using it
[22:33] <Mamarok> nope
[22:33] <Mamarok> that is still the gstreamer one
[22:33] <dantti> I selected that on the phonon kcm
[22:33] <Mamarok> you need to restart KDE, else the backend will not change
[22:34] <dantti> Mamarok: hmm i didn't change the preference... the kcm should use some smartness, does changeing the prefes can avoid a logout?
[22:34] <dantti> *preference
[22:35] <Mamarok> no, as it will only take effect when Phono is restarted
[22:35] <Mamarok> Phonon*
[22:48] <dantti> Mamarok: http://privatepaste.com/e0b912973a
[22:49] <Mamarok> dantti: and the memory usage is the same? This valgrind output is quite different though
[22:53] <dantti> Mamarok: well it still leaks, tho looking at memory usage seems to be increasing 200kb each 2~3 seconds, and a bit more when I skip the track
[22:54] <Mamarok> dantti: could you please make a bug report with the valgrind output? https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=amarok
[22:55] <dantti> with both valgrind outputs?
[22:58] <Mamarok> well, the last is not complete, it lacks the end
[23:01] <dantti> Mamarok: done https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=298627
[23:04] <dantti> Mamarok: full version http://privatepaste.com/dccae94e34
[23:04] <dantti> i think valgrind didn't have finished writting...
[23:04] <Mamarok> dantti: thanks for the report
[23:05] <dantti> yw, hope it helps this issue getting fixed :)