[08:32] <FirePowi> Hi
[10:34] <knome> astraljava, hah. :)
[10:34] <knome> astraljava, thanks for the mail to -users!
[10:56] <astraljava> No worries, I'm just taking the first steps for the upcoming release. Trying to take a bigger role.
[11:05] <knome> \o/
[11:06]  * knome is cleaning up the house
[11:18] <astraljava> You're a strange man.
[11:21] <knome> how?
[11:23] <astraljava> No questions. You just are.
[11:23] <knome> aha
[13:19] <ochosi> knome: i think i've more or less figured out the xfdesktop label setting
[13:20] <ochosi> knome: the only oddity that remains is a selected label when the desktop doesn't have focus. i'm not sure whether it's important or not, but that's something that is already not very nice with our current/default solution
[13:20] <knome> so how does it look then?
[13:21] <ochosi> oh, wait, i just figured that out too
[13:21] <knome> hah
[13:21] <knome> astraljava, damn, everything in popparienkeli is -70% now..
[13:22] <knome> astraljava, (didn't go there yesterday though, but it's open only until friday)
[13:22] <ochosi> i'll provide a few screenshots later
[13:22] <knome> great
[13:22] <ochosi> the font will have to stay bold for desktop-items
[13:23] <ochosi> it really improves readability
[13:23] <knome> yeah
[13:23] <ochosi> i think it might generally be a good thing
[13:23] <astraljava> knome: Soo... I don't see the problem. Help me spot it. :D
[13:24] <astraljava> ochosi: You might be on to something there. *grin*
[13:24] <knome> astraljava, well, i was just wondering if you had any interests to join me someday
[13:25] <astraljava> Oh, certainly. Not tomorrow, though, unless I get out from work early enough. Jyp plays the 5th final tomorrow.
[13:25] <knome> hehe
[13:25] <astraljava> But that's 18:30, so could do before that, time permitting.
[13:25] <knome> better to go with time
[13:26] <astraljava> Right, might be better.
[13:26] <knome> though i still don't know if i'll find anything to buy there :(
[13:26] <astraljava> Oh wait, on Tuesday a friend brings some boxes for the move, so that's bad too.
[13:26] <astraljava> Will that be too late then to go on Wednesday?
[13:27] <knome> of course not
[13:27] <astraljava> Okay, so could that work?
[13:27] <knome> as said, i'm not looking for anything specific
[13:27] <astraljava> Right.
[13:27] <knome> wednesday sounds good
[13:27] <astraljava> Excellent.
[13:27] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04222012-032735pm.php
[13:28] <knome> ochosi, that's pretty good.
[13:28] <astraljava> Shall we say around 5-ish?
[13:28] <knome> ochosi, what about trying it against the cloud-wallpaper we saw earlier?
[13:28] <knome> astraljava, yeah, worksforme :)
[13:28] <knome> astraljava, at kamppi i suppose? :)
[13:28] <astraljava> ochosi: Yeah that looks sweet!
[13:29] <ochosi> thanks :)
[13:29] <astraljava> knome: Well either that, or at the store itself, up to you.
[13:29] <astraljava> Or of course somewhere else if you have a better idea.
[13:29] <knome> kamppi works well, because i'm going to have to come there first too
[13:29] <astraljava> I doubt it, mine are usually superior.
[13:29] <astraljava> *grin*
[13:29] <knome> har
[13:29] <knome> so, wed, 17 @ kamppi
[13:30] <astraljava> Will mark it on the calendar.
[13:30] <knome> that's actually super
[13:30] <knome> if they have ordered the new kent album, they'll have it
[13:30] <knome> if not, then i'll just buy it elsewhere
[13:30] <knome> but getting -70% would be great
[13:30] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04222012-033034pm.php
[13:30] <knome> though i suppose they haven't been getting much new stuff in...
[13:30] <ochosi> this time you can also see how a selection currently looks
[13:30] <astraljava> Probably not, but we'll see.
[13:31] <astraljava> You guys are magicians.
[13:31] <ochosi> who?
[13:31] <knome> ochosi, me, and me
[13:31] <ochosi> hah
[13:32] <ochosi> as you can see the shadow changes when an item is selected
[13:32] <knome> it's very subtle though
[13:33] <knome> i'm actually even thinking that might be a bit bad.
[13:33] <ochosi> it's because the whole implementation is a hack (combining the shadow-option of xfdesktop [set to top-left] and murrine [set to bottom-right])
[13:33] <knome> i mean, isn't it a bit weird to have two different "light sources" ?
[13:33] <ochosi> there is no "surrounding" shadow
[13:33] <ochosi> the only thing i can do is make the other shadow appear (bottom-right)
[13:33] <astraljava> knome: Shush... that's genious.
[13:34] <ochosi> i have to combine two "diagonal" shadows, if you know what i mean
[13:34] <knome> hah :)
[13:34] <knome> ochosi, yup
[13:34] <knome> ochosi, what if you tried the "normal" way?
[13:34] <knome> (shadow at bottom-right)
[13:34] <knome> that's somehow more natural looking
[13:34] <ochosi> yeah, wait, actually give me a sec, i might still be able to figure it out
[13:34] <knome> :)
[13:37] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04222012-033659pm.php
[13:37] <ochosi> done :)
[13:37] <knome> humm
[13:37] <ochosi> xfdesktop has an amazing amount of theming switches...
[13:37] <knome> what if you tried just one shadow in the bottom-right?
[13:37] <ochosi> meh
[13:38] <ochosi> i'm not a big fan, because then i have to switch shadows (murrine/xfdesktop) :/
[13:39] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04222012-033913pm.php
[13:39] <ochosi> i can't tweak that shadow-color btw
[13:39] <ochosi> murrine doesn't distinguish between selected and normal
[13:39] <knome> i think that's better than the other version
[13:39] <ochosi> rly?
[13:39] <ochosi> i think the shadow is too bright
[13:39] <knome> yeah
[13:40] <knome> i can live with the other too, but i think this works better than the other
[13:40] <ochosi> and as i said, i can't change it
[13:41] <ochosi> i'll think about it, but i think the rest of the settings is fine as is
[13:41] <ochosi> bbiab
[13:41] <knome> yup, agreed on that
[14:25] <astraljava> knome: re: Release Notes, why does it say to use `do-release-upgrade -d`, isn't that supposed to go out when it's no longer a dev release?
[14:36] <knome> astraljava, that's something kate or smb else has put in there
[14:39] <astraljava> Oh... so, it hasn't had a comb-through yet?
[14:39] <knome> no, not completely
[14:39] <astraljava> We should probably do it tonight. Got spare time?
[14:40] <knome> sure.
[14:40] <knome> now? :)
[14:40] <astraljava> Why not, I'll just make a sandwich first.
[14:40] <knome> ok
[14:40] <knome> actually, it looks like upgrading is the only section that needs updating
[14:43] <astraljava> Oh ok, so then it's going to be quick.
[14:44] <knome> yeah. no need for sandwiches to survive
[14:45] <astraljava> Heh. :)
[14:46] <knome> so i suppose it's just s/-d// ?
[14:47] <astraljava> Yeah. And is it really that is shows Ubuntu?
[14:47] <knome> huh?
[14:47] <astraljava> Have the window manager shortcuts really changed?
[14:47] <knome> yes, they should have
[14:48] <astraljava> (it shows as Ubuntu, but updates Xubuntu);
[14:48] <knome> i'm not sure if that's true for upgrades
[14:48] <knome> hmm.
[14:48] <knome> i've no idea.
[14:49] <knome> i think stgraber has been testing xubuntu upgrades too, should ask him, or anybody else who actually did that
[14:50] <astraljava> I'll give it a go in virt.
[14:50] <knome> i suppose that's works as well :)
[14:57] <astraljava> "This makes Ubuntu more consistent the upstream implementation and with Debian." Shouldn't it be "...more consistent with the upstream implementation and Debian."?
[14:58] <astraljava> But I can't find it in the edit mode.
[14:58]  * astraljava scratches head
[14:58] <knome> it's probably just included
[14:58] <knome> look for <<Include
[15:01] <astraljava> Yeah that was it, thanks.
[15:01] <knome> np
[15:03] <knome> i think some porcupine tree stuff could work.
[15:04] <astraljava> I need something heavier to keep me going.
[15:04] <astraljava> Pagan's Mind will do nicely.
[15:04] <knome> i was referring to the PE-excursion :)
[15:06] <astraljava> Hmm... well now you lost me completely.
[15:06] <knome> wednesday?
[15:06] <astraljava> Right.
[15:06] <astraljava> Got it.
[15:07] <knome> :)
[15:10] <astraljava> Yeah I won't object if you insist on buying some PT stuff for me.
[15:10] <knome> haha. :)
[15:10] <knome> i don't have too much myself, and i don't think i like all of their stuff.
[15:14] <knome> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/04/10/1639252/kubuntu-to-be-sponsored-by-blue-systems-rather-than-canonical
[15:14] <knome> that's interesting news.
[15:16] <astraljava> Yes indeed.
[15:17] <astraljava> Isn't it "sticky window" instead of "stick window"?
[15:17] <knome> i think the verb is "stick(ing) window"
[15:17] <knome> not stickying
[15:17] <knome> maybe "make the window sticky"
[15:17] <astraljava> Ok.
[15:18] <astraljava> "...moving and resizing [a window|windows]"?
[15:19] <knome> windows
[15:19] <knome> if you're doing changes to the "new shortcuts" -section, they should be updated to the article on xubuntu.org too
[15:20] <ochosi> knome: i can also "double" the shadow in selected items on the desktop: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04222012-052051pm.php
[15:21] <ochosi> it's very pronounced though, not exactly elegant...
[15:21] <knome> huh
[15:21] <knome> no
[15:21] <ochosi> otoh it's visually very clear
[15:22] <knome> sure
[15:22] <knome> what if the "first" shadow was white?
[15:22] <ochosi> i can only tweak the outer-shadow
[15:22] <knome> aha
[15:22] <astraljava> knome: Can we really update with using a Desktop CD nowadays? Where has this line come from? "Upstream"?
[15:23] <knome> yeah.
[15:23] <ochosi> oh wait, seems to be the inner-shadow
[15:23] <ochosi> i gotta go now, i'll be back for the rest of the day/night later
[15:23] <knome> ok, see you
[15:23] <ochosi> will do some nice fitpc-hacking :)
[15:25] <astraljava> knome: The images link now points to the devel cycle-timed URL. Stable releases are found at http://releases.ubuntu.com
[15:25] <astraljava> Should that be changed, or do we know if that pattern will work later on, as well?
[15:25] <knome> i'd ask skaet 
[15:25] <astraljava> Ok.
[15:28] <astraljava> So you just wanted to see whether I do my job or not?! ;D
[15:29] <knome> no, i really just noticed that :P
[15:29] <astraljava> Suuuure. :D
[15:29] <knome> O:)
[15:31] <astraljava> A rum-stained halo, for sure.
[15:32] <knome> who knows...
[15:33] <astraljava> Have I already asked; does it really require 5GB space these days?
[15:33] <knome> i don't think you have
[15:33] <knome> i don't know the answer either, though
[15:33] <knome> i copied that from help.ubuntu.com
[15:37] <astraljava> Ok, well, I'll see it pretty reliably once I upgrade from oneiric.
[15:38] <knome> mmh
[15:44] <astraljava> Hmmm... I thought aptitude got multiarch support just recently?
[15:45] <astraljava> We have ARM images?!
[15:57] <knome> yes, multiarch isn't that old
[15:58] <knome> xubuntu probably doesn't have the arm images, that's probably included too
[16:02] <astraljava> Yeah, bug #831768 seems to say it landed in March already.
[16:03] <astraljava> hrm... not sure whether it is actually usable, still.
[16:04] <knome> again, i think people in -release will know better
[16:07] <astraljava> Already asked.
[16:07] <knome> just noticed :)
[16:20] <astraljava> knome: Ok, I think I can live with the Release Notes now. I didn't realize at first that the ARM reference came from Common Infrastructure, too.
[17:14] <knome> astraljava, yep, thanks for the work
[17:15] <astraljava> knome: I accidentally vanilla.
[17:15] <astraljava> *sigh*
[17:18] <knome> i chocolate
[17:19] <astraljava> I invited a friend for the PE trip, but when he heard of the sales, he said he'd likely try to go tomorrow already. We'll see. :)
[17:19] <knome> awwh :)
[17:19] <ochosi> hm, what would you think, xubuntu or debian+xfce for my homeserver?
[17:19] <knome> i'd say debian
[17:19] <ochosi> mhm, why?
[17:20] <ochosi> tradition?
[17:20] <knome> not so much unnecessary stuff
[17:20] <astraljava> CentOS
[17:20] <ochosi> CentOS? what's that again, something debian-based?
[17:20] <ochosi> ah, right, yeah, the unnecessary stuff is a good argument
[17:21] <knome> astraljava, that isn't one of the options in "xubuntu" and "debian+xfce" :)
[17:21] <ochosi> haha
[17:21] <astraljava> Nah, Community ENTerprise OS. Based on RH.
[17:21] <astraljava> knome: There's always the third, hidden option.
[17:21] <astraljava> I always take that.
[17:21] <ochosi> yeah, well it should play flash etc, it's a multimedia server
[17:21] <ochosi> the thing is that i like debian packaging, that's what i'm used to
[17:21] <astraljava> Then choose one of those new-fangled spin-offs of Ubuntu with lots of ZZ's in their names.
[17:22] <knome> otoh, if you want newer packages... then maybe xubuntu
[17:22] <ochosi> yeah, or debian unstable?
[17:22] <knome> but even then, i'd maybe go with the minimal installation
[17:22] <ochosi> i also don't really know which debian version i should go with
[17:22] <ochosi> yeah, maybe ubuntu minimal is a good choice
[17:22] <knome> i thought even unstable had older packages than ubuntu
[17:22] <knome> but maybe i'm wrong
[17:23] <ochosi> i think it does
[17:23] <astraljava> This may have been the case until recently, when people really started to pay attention to the 'New packages into Debian first' mentality.
[17:23] <knome> that being said, i also think the new stuff gets to ubuntu quicker than debian
[17:23] <knome> astraljava, yeah, maybe. that makes sense tho
[17:24] <astraljava> It may not have change completely, but it's going to be better. And in some cases sid still is ahead of Ubuntu dev.
[17:24] <astraljava> changed*
[17:24] <ochosi> the nice advantage of ubuntu are the ppas
[17:24] <astraljava> Especially when Ubuntu is nearing towards the end of the dev cycle.
[17:25] <ochosi> being able to easily manage additional software sources isn't as manifold and simple in debian (status of when i last tried it)
[17:25] <knome> yeah, that's the bad side
[17:25] <astraljava> ochosi: Yeah, that's right. jussi for instance made me realize there's this awesome service called sopcasting. Probably totally illegal, but it's in a PPA. :D
[17:25] <ochosi> hehe
[17:25] <knome> yes, totally illegal.
[17:25] <astraljava> knome: Ok, please wipe this from the logs.
[17:26] <knome> but really useful for following cycling
[17:26] <ochosi> lol
[17:26] <astraljava> *smirk*
[17:26] <knome> damn, the eurosport player doesn't even work on linux
[17:26] <knome> even if i wanted to give them my money
[17:26] <ochosi> astraljava: so why CentOS?
[17:26] <astraljava> ochosi: Not really, I just installed it the first time yesterday evening.
[17:26] <knome> doesn't people say centos is really secure?
[17:26] <astraljava> ochosi: Not for fun, mind you. Work-related.
[17:26] <knome> though i think it has the same issue with not having new packages
[17:27] <ochosi> mhm
[17:27] <ochosi> right, so i guess i could take the server images of ubuntu then...
[17:27] <astraljava> knome: Yeah, it's like Red Hat, but not company-backed.
[17:27] <knome> ochosi, no!
[17:27] <knome> i mean, uh
[17:27] <ochosi> knome: why not?
[17:27] <knome> i've heard the ubuntu server is not too good
[17:27] <ochosi> oh
[17:28] <ochosi> a-ha
[17:28] <knome> but otoh, what do i know, never run it myself
[17:28] <astraljava> knome: Playing the spin doctor here?
[17:28] <knome> but some weird defaults, i hear
[17:28] <ochosi> ah, hmm
[17:28] <knome> maybe it's okay for you
[17:28] <ochosi> well i don't know what ubuntu-minimal has as defaults
[17:28] <knome> i mean, it's probably all taste...
[17:28] <ochosi> i mean server-relevant defaults
[17:28] <knome> ochosi, probably the same stuff though ;)
[17:28] <knome> but you can select which packages you're getting
[17:29] <knome> i mean, better granularity
[17:29] <ochosi> you mean with minimal?
[17:29] <knome> on a server, i'd probably remove install-recommends
[17:29] <knome> yeah
[17:29] <ochosi> ok
[17:29] <knome> you can always install the recommended packages manually if something seems not to work
[17:29] <ochosi> we'll see, i'll dl both versions now (server,alternate) and then decide
[17:30] <knome> not the minimal? :)
[17:30] <ochosi> yeah, i hate the fact that recommends==depends in ubuntu
[17:30] <knome> well, they are not!
[17:30] <knome> they just appear the same
[17:30] <ochosi> wait, i thought with alternate i can install minimal, no?
[17:30] <knome> no
[17:30] <knome> minimal is really minimal
[17:30] <knome> !minimal
[17:31] <ochosi> what about 12.04?
[17:32] <knome> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:32] <knome> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:32] <knome> try those :P
[17:32] <ochosi> woot, 30mb? :)
[17:32] <knome> yeah.
[17:32] <knome> minimal.
[17:33] <knome> it doesn't install X if you don't tell it to.
[17:33] <ochosi> mhm, sounds ideal
[17:33] <ochosi> i think i want X though :)
[17:33] <knome> or, if you don't tell it to install something that needs X
[17:33] <knome> but remember to remove the install-recommends at the beginning ;)
[17:34] <knome> otherwise you'll quickly end up installing half of gnome ;)
[17:35] <ochosi> meh, somehow the mini.iso doesn't seem to work with usb-startup-disc creator
[17:35] <knome> yes, because the startup creator only support desktop images anyway
[17:35] <ochosi> argh
[17:35] <knome> (not even alternative)
[17:35] <ochosi> ok, so how do i create a startup-disc with that?
[17:36] <knome> i'm not sure.
[17:36] <ochosi> i don't have a cd drive in my server :)
[17:36] <knome> i did that once, but i don't remember
[17:38] <ochosi> ok, unetbootin seems to be the way to go
[17:38] <knome> the weirdest thing i did was a bootable cd with grub that loaded usb drivers and thus allowed booting from usb on a laptop that didn't support booting from usb
[17:38] <ochosi> lol
[17:38] <ochosi> that's a pretty spiffy trick
[17:38] <knome> but that worked! instant win
[17:39] <ochosi> i'll try to remember that (if i ever meet a pc again without usb-booting)
[17:39] <knome> hehe :)
[17:39] <knome> probably won't see many
[17:43] <knome> what a lovely spring night.
[17:45] <ochosi> hmright, as soon as the 
[17:45] <ochosi> argh
[17:46] <ochosi> unplugged the router .)
[17:46] <knome> hehe
[17:46] <ochosi> ... installer is running i'll try to fix the desktop icon stuff
[17:46] <ochosi> at least one more thing that's dealt with
[17:47] <knome> hah, yeah, even before the cycle has started
[17:47] <knome> or are you trying to get that in precise? :P
[17:47] <ochosi> yeha, it#s something for proposed
[17:47] <knome> sounds better ;)
[17:48] <astraljava> knome: Too true. Too bad I don't yet feel well enough for a stroll outside, I'd totally love to take one.
[17:48] <knome> mmh :/
[17:54] <jussi> I deny everything!
[17:55] <knome> jussi, that's what the guilty people usually do, you're correct
[17:55] <jussi>  lol
[17:55] <Unit193> Yep, he's bad.
[17:56] <astraljava> I actually rather like that one fella's nick on one of these channels, I forget which exactly.
[17:56] <astraljava> IAmNotThatGuy
[17:57] <astraljava> Sort of reminds of that jussi's outburst. :)
[17:57] <knome> s/'s outburst//
[17:58] <astraljava> Hahah.
[17:58]  * astraljava ^5's knome
[17:59] <knome> that's a lot of mass
[18:01] <astraljava> Massive Attack?
[18:01] <knome> nah.
[18:01]  * knome is listening to explosions in the sky
[18:01]  * astraljava wants to go see Iron Sky
[18:01]  * knome not so much
[18:01] <astraljava> You're no fun.
[18:01] <astraljava> I was just about to ask whether you'd go with me on Wed.
[18:01] <knome> i suppose it can be relatively entertaining, but maybe on a dvd someday.
[18:02] <knome> hehe :)
[18:02] <astraljava> bah
[18:02] <knome> i'll think about it. we should have a few spare tickets left.
[18:02] <knome> i'll let you know tomorrow, ok? :)
[18:02] <knome> i was personally thinking some nhl11 at ours.
[18:03] <knome> btw, where's your temporary residence?
[18:04] <knome> at the cleaning room in the office? :P
[18:05] <astraljava> It's two doors down from where I will move to on the eve of 1st of May. :)
[18:06] <knome> ohh, you got an apartment? :)
[18:06] <astraljava> Which reminds me, what are you doing on that afternoon?! *grin*
[18:06] <knome> congrats.
[18:06] <astraljava> It's 99% finalized.
[18:06] <knome> nothing that i know of, yet
[18:06] <astraljava> But should get done one of these days, probably tomorrow. Työsuhdeasunto, too.
[18:06] <knome> great. :)
[18:07] <astraljava> Alright, then you're helping me move. EOD.
[18:07] <knome> ok. :)
[18:07] <knome> i've already promised to do the same stuff on 2nd of may. :)
[18:07] <knome> remind you, i don't have a driver's license
[18:07] <astraljava> Well in all fairness, the more friends I'll have here, the sooner you're free to celebrate. If there's, say, four of us, I bet the heavy stuff are in in less than half an hour or so.
[18:08] <knome> hehe, yeah
[18:08] <astraljava> No, it's the eve of 1st of May.
[18:08] <ochosi> humm, any filesystem advice?
[18:08] <astraljava> 30.4.
[18:08] <ochosi> btrfs? ext4?
[18:08] <knome> astraljava, yeah, but i'm moving an another friend in 2nd of may :)
[18:08] <astraljava> My iPhone is haunted.
[18:08] <astraljava> Sure, sure.
[18:09] <astraljava> ochosi: I have no idea, so I'd go with ext4.
[18:09] <astraljava> There are probably better ones for server usage, though. JFS? *shrug*
[18:09] <knome> i don't know much about that either
[18:09] <knome> google.
[18:10] <astraljava> Err... sorry, it was XFS that I was thinking of.
[18:11] <astraljava> ...though, it seems that extX handles power losses better.
[18:12] <astraljava> But, this is just a quick glimpse. Better not give you any FUD. Just RTFM.
[18:20] <ochosi> hmyeah, i went with ext4
[18:20] <ochosi> even though ext2 might be better when trying to reduce write-cycles
[18:23] <astraljava> ochosi: I just read that XFS is better for huge files, which that being a media server, might host DVD or even blu-ray images at some point, no?
[18:23] <ochosi> humwell, the media-files are all on external harddrives
[18:23] <astraljava> Yea ok.
[18:23] <ochosi> for internal use (system, torrent-cache) i have a 60gb ssd
[18:23] <knome> yeah, i don't think ochosi is rich enough to buy a BIG ssd ;)
[18:24] <ochosi> heh
[18:24] <ochosi> well, yeah, "BIG" :)
[18:24] <knome> well, to host bluray discs...
[18:27] <astraljava> Yeah well, I didn't think you'd need SSD for serving those, the data stream isn't _that_ huge. :D
[18:28] <knome> no, but i knew ochosi had bought an SSD
[18:28] <astraljava> Ahh... ok.
[18:28] <ochosi> i have 2TB of external hdds
[18:29] <ochosi> which will partly raid (via rsync) and use the rest as media storage
[18:29] <knome> i don't have that much HDD space altogether :)
[18:29] <knome> though, i don't need that much either...
[18:29] <ochosi> mhm, i've never had so much before
[18:34] <knome> astraljava, viekkain eläin kettu on ja sen röyhkeys on uskomaton - luulin koiraani ketuksi ja sen ammuin, oijoijoi... niin ovela vain kettu olla voi
[18:34] <ochosi> finnish is a weird language :)
[18:34] <knome> astraljava, i know you like animals, so i had to paste you those nice song lyrics
[18:34] <astraljava> knome: Lay off the rum for today, will ya?
[18:35] <knome> astraljava, no, that's an actual recorded song
[18:35] <astraljava> Hehehe. Yeah but winning my heart over shooting dogs is a task too hard even for you. :D
[18:35] <knome> haha
[18:35] <knome> but it was the fox!
[18:35] <knome> or, at least, its fault...
[18:36] <astraljava> Yes. It really wasn't the fox.
[18:36] <astraljava> Which makes me a sad panda, now.
[18:36]  * astraljava made an awesome animal bridge there, no?
[18:36] <knome> no
[18:36] <knome> :D
[18:37] <ochosi> knome: ok, i can control the inner-shadow on xfdesktop's selected items
[18:37] <knome> ochosi, quick translation: fox is the craftiest animal and its impudence is unbelievable - i thought my dog was a fox and i shot it, ohnono... only a fox can be so sly
[18:37] <ochosi> i think yellow might be the way to go: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04222012-083737pm.php
[18:38] <ochosi> heh
[18:38] <knome> uhoh! NO!
[18:38] <knome> that's horrible
[18:38] <ochosi> ;)
[18:39] <ochosi> so i think i probably won't set a second shadow for the selected shadow
[18:40] <astraljava> knome: I'm just using this channel as a pad, but oneiric install eats 3.0GB according to du.
[18:41] <knome> k :)
[18:43] <astraljava> knome: And update-manager -d won't even mention of a devel release, so can't check that part of the Notes.
[18:43] <knome> huh?
[18:43] <knome> how can that be
[18:43] <astraljava> No idea.
[18:44] <knome> weird.
[19:52] <knome> damn. i really want to go out, so maybe i should.
[20:20] <ochosi> ok, managed to setup my homeserver as wlan router now
[20:21] <knome> heh
[22:21] <knome> i'm off for today, see you later
[22:28] <ochosi> see ya