[00:00] No Cachine mode page present [00:00] Assuming Drive cache: write through [00:00] caching* [00:01] mdel, hdd problems? :/ [00:01] nooo [00:03] mdel, nah, looks normal [00:03] it just hangs after that [00:03] lame... i thought ubuntu on mac was foolproof at this point [00:04] mdel, I think it's vesafb not vesa :/ [00:17] pepee: no luck [00:17] :/ [00:18] mdel, tried last daily build? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [00:19] yeah [00:20] sorry, but I'm out of ideas :/ [00:24] mdel, sorry, didn't know what refit is. followed this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation [00:25] yeah im using refit to boot the usb stick [00:25] did you try the cd? [00:33] mdel, did you actually use a cd at some point or always a usb stick? [00:33] both [00:33] 12.04 11.10 [00:34] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1442133 [00:34] trying that [00:34] How do I add a user to sudoers? [00:35] used to be able to do adduser admin [00:36] pepee: well, purple screen [00:36] something better [00:37] oh it's sudo now [00:37] pepee: still seems like its hung [01:15] pepee: think i got it [01:15] mdel, sorry, I was afk. what did you do to make it work? [01:16] when it release 12.04? [01:16] pepee: nomodeset, and the non-efi loader [01:16] installing 12.04 now [01:17] star69, /topic [01:17] ok thanks [01:18] 12.04 seems smoooooth [01:18] i hated unity in 11.04 [01:18] okay. install 12.04 beta alt. installing from thumbdrive created on a win 7 machine using unetbootin . to a blank hdd / core 2 duo / 8 gb of ram / 80 gb pc. goes partway thru setup then says [01:18] i still dont like that I cant make the bar go to the right side [01:18] problem reading cd rom. [01:19] and gives me the option to retry abort or skip [01:20] says a root file system must be mounted on /target. partitioner should have auto done [01:20] any help? [01:21] download and burn a new one [01:23] haha. that doesnt help. downloading the beta from universal usb installer link suggested on main page now. is there a way to config with options i have here tho? gives me a list of installer components possible to load [01:28] ok, think I found my problem here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/633983 [01:28] Launchpad bug 633983 in linux (Ubuntu) "Can't boot amd64 live cd on Mac (EFI)" [High,Confirmed] [01:29] according to that bug there's supposedly a separate image now specifically for amd64+mac [01:29] but I don't see it on the beta2 download page [01:29] the amd64 image apparently has an efi boot image on it, but assumes PC UEFI and not Apple EFI [01:30] and Apple's EFI chokes on the UEFI image [01:31] justdave: It's on this page http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ [01:31] oh wait [01:31] justdave, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ ? [01:31] 64bit Mac, there we go [01:31] there was a separate mac image, it's not there now [01:31] thanks [01:34] hmm, no torrent, and 2 hour eta on the direct download. oh well, guess I wait. :) [01:34] dailies probably wouldn't have a big seed pool anyway [01:35] justdave what mac are you installing precise on? [01:35] intel-graphics mac mini [01:35] ah ok [01:35] its running great for me [01:35] after figuring out some bs [01:35] it's already got 12.04 on it, via updating from 11.10 [01:35] nice [01:36] but then I tried to fiddle with some grub options and made it refuse to boot [01:36] doesn't even make it to the grub menu [01:36] so now I'm just trying to find something I can boot it with to go fix grub [01:36] reinstall or reconfigure it? [01:36] boot from livedc [01:37] livecd wouldn't boot. hence the above problem :) [01:37] live cd should be regardless if your grub is fubar [01:37] boot* [01:37] right, but the EFI bootloader on the CD isn't compatible with Apple's EFI [01:37] hence the need with a separate image for Mac (which we just found) [01:38] need for* [01:38] yes use the amd64 mac version for sure [01:40] I should go downstairs and plug into the ethernet for this download. Half the slow download speed is probably my sucky wifi (I have a ton of interference here) [01:43] yep, that dropped an hour off the estimated download time just like that. heh [01:52] oh what.. i accidentally right clicked on the close window widget [01:52] and it closed the window :/ [01:52] Does the app screenlets install the gnome desktop? [01:53] hey snadge :) [01:54] something that bugs me... the buttons in the top bar are offset left of the window border [01:54] this seems like bad ui... [01:54] didnt older unitys have the ubuntu button there? [02:02] can i boot from a cd but use the usb stick for installation files? [02:03] im trying to install without refit but the standard bootloader doest see the stick [02:04] !info samba [02:04] samba (source: samba): SMB/CIFS file, print, and login server for Unix. In component main, is optional. Version 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu1 (precise), package size 7829 kB, installed size 22394 kB [02:04] mdel: i tried installing 32bit ubuntu on an older imac (core duo) [02:04] i had to use refit because i couldn't be bothered burning anything [02:04] and just as well.. because it gets half way through the install and crashes [02:05] errors> [02:05] ? [02:05] just freezes [02:05] as in mouse stops moving.. cant do anything except power it off [02:05] oh hrm [02:05] whilst its downloading updates [02:05] so i tried installing with the lan cable unplugged [02:06] and it gets as far as update-grub .. then fails.. mouse still moves, but cant do anything [02:06] and doesnt continue [02:06] he [02:06] hi [02:06] was going to try the alternate install.. but started to lose interest [02:07] while installing 12.04, I am getting a wildly changing remaining time for the language pack downloads [02:07] is that normal ? sometimes it says 15 mins, then 5, then 50 [02:07] possibly because your download speed is wildly fluctuating [02:08] sure, but there's no progress bar [02:08] and I have 100M down. is it normal for that part to take over 30 mins ? [02:09] btw I'm installing under vmware [02:09] if that matters... [02:09] i wouldn't say normal.. but its not completely abnormal either [02:09] its probably all the hype [02:09] it was slow for me too [02:09] ... wonder why you can just choose first... [02:09] cant* [02:10] i must admit im pretty annoyed that the installer tries to install language packs and stuff like that [02:10] !info php [02:10] Package php does not exist in precise [02:10] you dont get much say in the matter.. about whether you want them, or where they're coming from [02:10] php5 [02:10] !find php [02:10] Found: libapache2-mod-php5, php-pear, php5, php5-cgi, php5-cli, php5-common, php5-curl, php5-dbg, php5-dev, php5-gd (and 224 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=php&searchon=names&suite=precise§ion=all [02:10] haru [02:10] sudo apt-get install lamp-server^ [02:10] for the whole jawn [02:12] any chance to have an install DVD instead of CD so that all that crap can be on there ? [02:13] or the 700M image is only for the beta ? [02:15] I've done unity --replace to try and activate compiz but its not working how can I go back to the default? [02:17] how long did it take you to download everything during install ? [02:27] how can I remove all of gnome? [02:40] hi all [02:40] i've upgraded to 12.04 and can't find where to change the number of workplaces [02:41] does anyone know how to do this? [02:47] flying_penguin: in unity or unity-2d? [02:48] unity [02:50] flying_penguin: ccsm/general options/Desktop size [02:52] trism: thank you === c_smith_ is now known as c_smith === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as C0nfus3d === Tm_K is now known as Tm_T === CQ_ is now known as CQ === Logan_ is now known as Logan === Logan is now known as log === log is now known as Logan_ [04:46] hello fellas [04:46] Day -3 === Aprogas is now known as 14WAAM90K [05:27] It's coming out the 26th? [05:31] I'm messing with it virtualized now [05:31] fun so far, I've been stuck working in a mostly windows-only capacity for the last year and a half [05:39] Is it stable? [05:47] any clues on problem with private repo on upgrade? 11.10 -> 12.04 works fine but 10.04.4 -> 12.04 complains W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/..._Packages Hash Sum mismatch, repo is generated in 11.10 with apt-ftparchive [06:31] hello guys [06:31] i want to install latest 12.04 beta and then at some point do the auto upgrade to final; should there be anything I need to take care of. My hardware works 100% with FOSS drivers. [06:34] do it [06:34] you'd be a spaz to install 11.10 now [06:34] most likely [06:35] well it will involve more effort to upgrade.. if you decide you want to.. in a week or so when 12.04 is actually released [06:35] but any issue I should be aware of , in general I mean [06:35] or you could just install the beta now.. and not have to do anything to update to final [06:35] oh, well; wouldn't a dist-upgrade work? [06:35] from beta -> final [06:35] sure it does.. but upgrade from the beta to final.. would actually be easier/less problematic [06:35] right [06:36] installing 11.10 is likely to be a waste of time if I try to setup everything the way Iwant to, I come into 'buntu from opensuse [06:36] then you definitely dont want to go anywhere near 11.10 ;) [06:36] fair enough.. in october last year or whenever it was.. it seemed like a good idea at the time [06:36] hell no, now [06:36] one other thing; i read that blue systems is taking over the kubuntu variant [06:37] which means that the underlying backends with ubuntu +unity get more attention [06:37] does that mean anything dire for the kubuntu variant? [06:37] well.. most ubuntu users are pretty happy with unity shell on top of gnome 3 [06:37] no.. on the contrary [06:37] canonical basically axed kubuntu from paid support.. because.. well.. various reasons [06:37] but a company has offered to take it on [06:37] name the biggest one if you care [06:38] avoid fragmentation in support services? [06:38] simplest way of putting it.. is it wasn't deemed worth it [06:39] unity is their focus.. people may hate it.. and there are other options if you are one of htem [06:39] they still provide gnome-shell and its classic desktop.. xfce.. lxde [06:40] you can still install kde if you want to.. its not like the choice has been denied.. its just not the primary focus [06:40] people usually don't like what they don't get initially; i think i will wait for a year or so to see if unity is better or not (speaking public acceptance wise) [06:41] well.. ive been using it in 12.04 for the past few months.. and i finally get it [06:41] its stable.. its consistent.. and fairly intuitive [06:41] not going to buntu because of unity, going because most of the people i know in the end switched to ubuntu because they wouldn't care less into playing sysadmin on their dev box [06:41] :) [06:42] right.. its debian, but with a whip cracked over the devs... cos they can get lazy [06:42] release schedule.. vs when we feel like it [06:43] my problem with debian is that I can't stand politics [06:44] on technical grounds [06:44] wasn't 'buntu started because debian was too lazylame? [06:44] :"P [06:44] and anal retentiveness when it comes to licensing issues.. and the lack of consideration for a purely desktop focus [06:45] its because they had fundamentally different goals.. debian is linux for people who want linux [06:45] and ubuntu is linux for people who dont want linux ;) [06:45] hmm yeah, well, no student time here [06:45] gotta work in real life [06:45] im playing with freebsd 9 at the moment.. and its ridiculous [06:46] used 'bsd when i was a student, long time ago [06:46] nice thing, no workie if no sysadmin [06:46] well i thought i'd try make a desktop out of it.. relatively painless.. if you like gnome 2 [06:46] i just don't want to be a sysadmin, I don't want to mix and match testing, unstable and volatile, Idon't want windblows and most of all osx is osUx for me [06:46] so what else remains... [06:47] cable tv abd a six pack [06:47] android? [06:47] ha ha ha [06:47] :) [06:47] i just don't like to have to work for myself as a sysadmin with this thing; it was fun once, but not anymore [06:48] so it is smurf - level ease sleaze I am after [06:48] :) [06:48] 'nyway, thanks, d/ling beta2 dvd iso === android is now known as jussi [07:36] does anyone use here Ubuntu 12.04 LTS version [07:36] one would think so, as this channel is for that release .. [07:36] !schedule | itachi_08 of course yes [07:36] itachi_08 of course yes: A schedule of Precise Pangolin (12.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule [07:37] yes but i want to completely erase my drive that has Windows in it.. the fact that ubuntu grub loader still displays Windows 7 OS [07:38] ubuntu does and is always installed side by side with windows... [07:39] so do that.. blow away windows with disk editor [07:39] look this:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/919815,this:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/775034,and this:http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/202-ubuntu-acer-ao722,they are the same problems,and my lenovo notebook also has the problem,my CPU is APU E-350,load the default BIOS setting not work,i want to know when it will be fixed [07:39] Launchpad bug 919815 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu freeze on battery after power on/off - blacklisting ath9k stops freeze" [Medium,Incomplete] [07:39] Launchpad bug 775034 in linux (Ubuntu) "Natty freezes due to Acer Aspire One 522 wireless " [Medium,Confirmed] [07:40] sorry [07:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/919815 [07:40] Launchpad bug 919815 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu freeze on battery after power on/off - blacklisting ath9k stops freeze" [Medium,Incomplete] [07:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/775034 [07:40] Launchpad bug 775034 in linux (Ubuntu) "Natty freezes due to Acer Aspire One 522 wireless " [Medium,Confirmed] [07:40] http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/202-ubuntu-acer-ao722 [07:41] i have the same problem [07:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/919815 [07:41] Launchpad bug 919815 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu freeze on battery after power on/off - blacklisting ath9k stops freeze" [Medium,Incomplete] [07:42] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/775034 [07:42] Launchpad bug 775034 in linux (Ubuntu) "Natty freezes due to Acer Aspire One 522 wireless " [Medium,Confirmed] [07:42] 12.04 has the BUG still [07:42] anyone here knows how to erase Windows system completely without having to appear in the grub loader? [07:43] fix the mbr [07:44] how? i've got this problem on my netbook? tried tweaking it bud it doesn't work === avis- is now known as avis [07:47] you need a windows system DVD,and boot from it,then enter the repair computer,and then enter the command interface and run:bootrec/fixmbr,then reboot computer [07:48] itachi_08, you want to actually delete windows, or just not have it appear in grub? [07:49] both brendand [07:49] anyone answer my question? [07:49] well i have actually windows originally and i want to move to linux without windows appearing in the screen [07:50] you can delete it [07:50] itachi_08, as Flywater says, you can delete it if you need the extra space [07:50] itachi_08, for now you can delete the grub entry. let me check how [07:51] ok am waiting and then how? [07:52] anyone solve my problem? [07:52] i'm waiting [07:53] itachi_08, what's in /etc/grub.d for you? [07:56] what did you mean brendand [07:57] brendand:can you solve my problem? [07:57] Flywater, what's your problem [07:57] ? [07:57] this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/775034 [07:57] Launchpad bug 775034 in linux (Ubuntu) "Natty freezes due to Acer Aspire One 522 wireless " [Medium,Confirmed] [07:58] and this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/919815 [07:58] Launchpad bug 919815 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu freeze on battery after power on/off - blacklisting ath9k stops freeze" [Medium,Incomplete] [07:58] they are the same problems [07:58] and i have it ,too [07:58] 12.04 has it ,too [08:00] when it will be fixed?or ubuntu won't fix it? [08:01] Win7 is fine on my notebook [08:03] brendand:i'm waiting for your answer thanks [08:04] Flywater, i'm not sure. you haven't tried any of the workarounds? [08:05] sorry,i don't understand... [08:06] only when i enable network boot and set it boot first,i can login the system [08:08] i only have the one problem,can ubuntu fix it? [08:09] the bug is amazing... [08:15] my god.... [08:19] brendand:are you here? [08:38] who can help me... [08:51] Hi , how do Install MySQL Workbench in Ubuntu 12.04 , it has an error on depencies ? [08:52] alket: can you pastebin the error? [08:55] micahg, libmysqlclient16(>=5.1.21-1) [08:56] =^.^= [08:56] alket: that's not the version in precise then [08:57] alket: it's actually in the 12.04 archive === amithkk is now known as Andrew__ === Andrew__ is now known as AndrewStrong === AndrewStrong is now known as ubuntu__ === ubuntu__ is now known as xubuntu === xubuntu is now known as a === a is now known as b_ === b_ is now known as amithkk [09:14] http://paste.ubuntu.com/942188/ Crypto disks still not mounting [09:27] Hi, network-manager used to store connections in gconf back in 10.04 days. Upon upgrade to 12.04 they live in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ [09:27] Question: How to migrate information from gconf to /etc/Network-manager ? [09:31] Awful bug report, but this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/987059 [09:31] Launchpad bug 987059 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 12.04" [Undecided,Incomplete] [09:31] could be the same problem. === avis is now known as huiol === huiol is now known as avis === brendand_ is now known as brendand [10:49] am back [11:12] hi guys [11:12] shutdown and restart seems not to work under 12.04 from the gui [11:13] is there a solution for this? [11:14] Hi [11:15] zozy: this is probably specific to your computer, it works for me [11:15] maye you can try some kernel parameter [11:15] after installing gnome-session shell's default ubuntu does not start unity. Deinstalei gnome-shell over to no avail. [11:15] acpi=force on your grub command line_ [11:16] tomodachi: i'll try, thx [11:16] too i cant purge fglrx-updates :( [11:20] weird, now it works..even without editing grub tomodachi [11:20] strange behaviour [11:20] :) [11:20] zozy: maybe you got some update that fixed it? [11:21] after installing gnome-shell, ubuntu default session does not start unity. unistall gnome-shell over to no avail. [11:21] too i cant purge fglrx-updates :( [11:23] why use gnome shell,don't like unity? [11:23] no === Ming_the_Mercile is now known as Bauldrick [11:23] i use gnome classic [11:24] so,why don't use fedora or opensuse? [11:24] or mint [11:25] tomodachi: nothing changed [11:25] no.. i love ubuntu. i use since version 4.10 [11:25] :D [11:25] i just rebooted it to try the grub setting [11:25] slipttees: Does gnome-classic work fine for you? I'm not getting on well with unity and thinking I'll switch back once I re-install Precise final. [11:25] :( [11:25] slipttees: In particular, I have real issues with windows jumping workspaces when I run gnome-panel [11:26] But without the panel, my workflow is radically disrupted. [11:26] well,i love it ,too [11:26] chmac: i try purge gnome-panel, but doesnt work too [11:26] :/ [11:26] and i love unity [11:26] Flywater: Do you use multiple workspaces? [11:27] yes [11:27] Flywater: unity is an OS X interface clone :D [11:28] lack only spotligth [11:28] :) [11:28] is it?i think gnome3 more like OS X [11:29] dashboard, Laucher, workspace [11:29] Flywater: How do you know which windows are on the current workspace without the panel? [11:30] i...don't know [11:31] unity has only 4 workspaces,it's...a question [11:32] Flywater: It's possible to increase the number of workspaces I believe, I was running 6 for a while, but the windows kept jumping so consistently I reduced it to 4 [11:32] Flywater: I use the panel to know which windows are live on "this" workspace. I have different workspaces for different work "modes" if you like. [11:32] Flywater: Development grouped on one workspace, personal on another, clients on another, downloads / torrents / etc on another, etc. [11:33] Flywater: Without the panel, I get lost figuring out which windows are open. [11:33] yeah,it is [11:33] super-w is helpful, but it doesn't tell me at a glance, and the order changes, so I have to really look at the windows. [11:35] but i still like it [11:51] hi! just fresh installed 12.04 daily build (21/04) but Unity 3D seems quite slow, expecially opening and closing dash and Alt-Tab windows switcher ... I'm on a ATI graphic card with opensource drivers... any advice [11:53] jst: It's slow for me, but I'm on an integrated intel chip, I figured it was just my hardware being left behind by progress... :-) [11:55] forget the 3d and log in using unity 2d ... [11:55] Hey, need some help. After the installation of 12.04 from 11.10 failed, ubuntu cant find my SSD. Neither during installation or through GParted, someone who has some tips_ [11:56] I got error messages about wrong CPU vectors while resuming from hibernation. I looked through dmesg and pm-suspend but couldn't find them. === tetreb is now known as krababbel [11:58] Terribly frustrating that I can\t find the SSD anywhere >* [12:00] yeah ubuntu2d is very smooth... actually I'm on an ATI 1GB... I expect it would be good, I mean... gnome shell is fast [12:00] windows is fast [12:00] WTH unity seems so sluggish [12:01] fglrx sucks! jst [12:01] :/ [12:01] slipttees, i'm on radeon opensource [12:01] :O [12:01] an opengl game was very slow on 3dunity. 2d is fine, using binary nvidia [12:02] jst: doesn't use restricted drivers? [12:02] [12:03] sk1special: cuda? [12:03] slipttees, no, on 11.10 performance was better with restricted [12:03] there we go now my chats working..first time messing with linux. all you have to do to get a desktop is install gnome yeah? === ubuntu__ is now known as Total] [12:04] and what? [12:04] I read that linux is clumsy regarding GPU acceleration for window managers [12:05] a patchwork on old standards [12:05] okay i just downloaded and installd gnome.. now ? [12:06] sk1special: install gdm [12:07] !find yakuake [12:07] Found: yakuake [12:08] How to erase an invisible SSD with old ubuntu installation [12:08] !info yakuake [12:08] yakuake (source: yakuake): a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.9.8-1 (precise), package size 301 kB, installed size 2108 kB [12:09] !sis [12:09] sis 671/771 [12:09] :D [12:13] can't the launcher hide only when the app is maximised ? [12:13] how so ? tried sudo apt-get/ install no go [12:13] gdm* [12:18] sk1special: ligthdm [12:18] !sis771 [12:20] ahh i just had to restart i guess. funny how this looks like win 8 [12:20] hey is anyone around that can give me a quick tutorial on wine...? I used it a few years back and remember it being really easy but I seem to be a little bit lost... haha [12:24] stuntman_dan: what do you want to do with wine? [12:24] I'm reading through here http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=149 but it does't actually say how you actually install it... [12:24] just tryin to install starcraft [12:24] I have the iso mounted and everything, I am just unsure on where exactly to proceed from here haha [12:25] stuntman_dan: how about double click the setup.exe file or so? [12:25] that's it? [12:25] of course it would be something easy like that... hahahaha [12:26] stuntman_dan: I don't know, but it rate as gold, so I just try the easiest way first :D [12:26] for some reason I remembered opening a virtual desktop and doing something in there, but maybe things have changed [12:26] Stanley00, seems to work perfectly, thanks [12:26] stuntman_dan: you are welcome ;) [12:31] hm well it installed fine but now wine is giving me an invalid parameters error... [12:41] hey so i update my display driver using the recommended one and restarted now its only seeign one display. [12:42] may fglrx improve performance on unity? === Orionid is now known as Orionidf === Orionidf is now known as Orionid [12:48] you know how i can fix it? [12:53] sk1special: are you using ATI or Nvidia video card? [12:56] Nvidia. The screens auto detected and ran fine. but i checked for updates and had two listed. ran / activated the one that sais " recommended " and restarted. now it can only detect the one screen [12:59] okay. i deactivated the update and restarted..and they both work again. but theres a eh. 20 second pause where its just horizontal lines on start up. and it says i need the update on for good quslity graphics [12:59] quality* [12:59] sk1special: well, I just have ATI card, so I cant help you now. Sorry. === rye_ is now known as rye [13:01] sk1special: in my case, I have to run some ati-init scripts to add something to xorg.conf. Maybe you should look for that too. [13:02] ah sall good. yeah i dont really play pc games..360. but ima check some videos now to see seems to work okay besides the weird start up [13:04] do you know anything about installing this on android? [13:23] hello all [13:27] so. [13:27] here's my issue [13:27] its very simple [13:27] I wrote this rsync command: rsync --progress -rEog --exclude="home/alex/Videos" /home/alex /media/backup/12.04-Precise-backup_4.23.2012/ [13:28] the only issue is that it keeps creating the Videos folder [13:28] and even reading some of the man pages, there aren't very direct examples.. [13:31] well that was an unexpected disconnection. [13:35] APoulos, the path doesn't seem quite right to me [13:35]