[16:17] <Baribal> Hi. I just heard of this channel (when I asked whether there was a phone on which Ubuntu can run natively; the answer was "No"), so... What's the state of things?
[16:49] <jussi> Baribal: there is no phone interface yet
[16:49] <Baribal> Okay... What *is* there?
[16:49] <jussi> they had ubuntu running with android on some motorola, but thats entirely different
[16:50] <jussi> Baribal: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
[16:50] <Baribal> Wasn't that just using the phone as another screen?
[16:50] <jussi> Baribal: basically using the phone as a mini pc
[16:51] <Baribal> Well, that's pretty much exactly what I want. :)
[16:51] <jussi> Baribal: ok, dont think source has been released for that yet
[16:52] <Baribal> Also, wouldn't running that on Android not just be a makeover of appearance? One of the most importa
[16:53] <Baribal> important reasons why I don't have a smartphone yet is that AFAIK Android is anything but a GNU/Linux as I'd expect it; I was told it had no multiuser capability, that apps couldn't access each others APIs, etc.
[16:54] <Baribal> (..and I don't really understand why that would be; after all, modern cell phones *are* *real* *computers*, so why not run a real OS on them?)
[16:55] <jussi> Baribal: dunno, Im not really here to talk about android ;)
[17:02] <Baribal> jussi, so this channel is about native Linux/GNU/Ubuntu? That'd be great indeed.
[17:03] <Baribal> Is there any hardware platform in sight?
[17:03] <jussi> Baribal: Discussion for all things regarding Ubuntu in smartphone form factor (from the topic)
[17:04] <jussi> Baribal: I expect that hw manufacturers will pick this up at some pointg
[17:05] <Baribal> Ah... Oh... ####.
[17:09] <Baribal> I think that at this point phone manufacturers would rather be threatened by an open platform; Apple and Google have shown how much money can be made with walled gardens.