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ubuntuuk-planet[Stuart Langridge] Decades - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/04/23/decades03:02
popeyLife is a minestrone.06:47
gingnot sure if that was a massive netsplit, or a small one i was on the wrong side of06:49
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jussiging: the latter ;)07:10
MooDoomorning all07:14
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diploMorning all07:46
popeybug 98715608:10
lubotu3Launchpad bug 987156 in compiz (Ubuntu) "alt-backtick flickers between windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98715608:10
czajkowskiaquarius: is your blog down ?08:23
aquariusI'm working on it08:23
aquariusback now08:24
czajkowskiaquarius: cheers08:24
Davieyaquarius: That was a worry.. I thought my primary source of news was offline!08:25
aquariusDaviey, I can see how you'd feel cut off without it08:25
popeygolly, Daviey is alive08:26
popeyaquarius: "Provding advice on being famous since 2003"08:27
aquariusI do my best :)08:28
Davieypopey: I never died.08:34
Daviey:)08:34
JamesTaitHappy St George's Day, everyone! :D08:36
aquariusyay! Which dragon should we kill today?08:41
* aquarius sings Land of Hope and Glory, which is excellent08:41
gordthe ones in the den!08:41
gordis that a thing still? not watched uk tv in a while...08:41
aquariusalthough really Jerusalem is closer to being anthem08:42
Laneymmm on-the-turn milk08:51
* Laney decided it was just the right side of OK still08:51
diploI'd rather than drink black tea than have on the turn tbh08:58
Laneyseems alright08:58
directhexyou dead yet?08:59
Laney/quit Ping Timeout09:00
diplo:P09:00
directhexconnection reset by milk?09:02
Laneybessie was feeling vindictive09:03
* Laney moos uncontrollably09:04
diploGuys is it possible to remove the launcher from a seconndary screen09:06
diploI've found some settings to remove the lag between screens, but I really dont/can;t see the point of two launchers09:06
diploHmm, I ask and it seems there is a way if I hack a file, wondering if there is a front end way ( make sure I'm not missing an offical way )09:07
popeycan someone test http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/ for me09:30
popeyand click an episode or two and see if they download?09:31
diploOGG Download works on front page09:35
diploWant the mp3 ones tested as well ?09:36
popeyany09:38
diploWell yep, grabbed 3 files so far and all downloaded speedily09:39
diplotried streaming one as well and that was also fine09:39
popeyexcellent09:39
popeythanks!09:39
diploNo worries09:39
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:01
davmor2morning all, czajkowski prod10:02
brobostigonmorning davmor210:02
czajkowskidavmor2: Good day to you :)10:02
davmor2morning brobostigon, czajkowski what this about airports you on your way home kiddo?10:03
bigcalmHi peeps :)10:37
popeyyo10:37
bigcalmpopey: how's the XP?10:39
davmor2bigcalm: how do muppet boy10:39
bigcalmdavmor2: Miss Piggy!10:40
davmor2popey: did you blow the dust off your speccy for it's birthday?10:40
popeybug 98722310:41
lubotu3Launchpad bug 987223 in unity "Launcher doesn't autoscroll when holding an icon (can't reach trash)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98722310:41
popeyanyone fancy reproducing that10:41
davmor2popey: done10:42
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mungojerrypopey, it's a dupe11:37
mungojerrybug 98571011:38
lubotu3Launchpad bug 985710 in unity "cannot drag icon from launcher to trash when the launcher is full of icons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98571011:38
mungojerrymarked my earlier one as a dupe in deference to popey's greater influence :D11:41
directhexmoo11:42
mungojerrybaa11:43
mungojerrya farmer's version of foo-bar?11:43
popeymungojerry: oh, excellent11:54
popeybug 98382711:56
lubotu3Error: Launchpad bug 983827 could not be found11:56
mungojerryhow do i get shotwell to autorotate photos to the correct way?11:56
mungojerryand does importing from pictures folder actually make a copy of the photos?11:57
BigRedSI don't think it does by default12:10
BigRedSmine didn't, but I didn't want it to and I don't recall asking it to refrain12:10
MartijnVdSmungojerry: it should autorotate if your camera sets the "needs rotation" bit in exif12:40
directhexhm, rainy12:52
mungojerryMartijnVdS, hmm13:09
mungojerryin which case they should be rotating13:09
mungojerryany idea about the second qu.?13:10
mungojerryuploading to google usic takes forever :(13:36
mungojerryand all the cover art is wrong :(13:36
cocoa117does anyone have /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc folder in their ubuntu 11.10 system?13:41
Quantal_Quetzal\o/13:45
* davmor2 prods czajkowski just cause14:06
davmor2popey: you Quantal_Quetzal you14:07
sagaciPretty Pretzel14:08
gordguys, just to be sure, we are all cool with saying "quantal" and not "quetzal" right? lets not have a repeat of oneiric where i had to check my spelling every time i wrote it14:09
popey14:10
czajkowskilol14:12
cocoa117is there  a way to patch custermised ubuntu kernel, but only compile the new kernel's module? can make program do that? or it is simply impossible14:13
popeycocoa117: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/build-linux-kernel-module-against-installed-kernel-source-tree.html14:14
popeyseen that?14:14
davmor2gord: that'll be 12.10 to all of us this time I think :D14:14
popeykwont'l is how I say it, with short 'o' sounds as in 'Tom'14:15
sagaciQuant as quantity and al as big al14:16
cocoa117popey, got it14:16
davmor2popey: indeed the free dictionary says it similarly but I still think 12.10 is easier on the tongue :D14:17
popey+114:17
czajkowskion the plus side finally a desktop image I'd be happy to have as a default image14:17
gordquan as in obi-wan, tal as in tali'zorah vas normandy. i win nerdiest explanation.14:19
popeyhah14:25
* davmor2 goes for best terrorist section with quan as in tali-ban and tal as in tal-iban, me thinks he wins this section14:31
popeydon't listen to these people, they're from the north, they talk funny.14:33
gordoh, its spectrums birthday, happy birthday childhood!14:38
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mungojerrynon-digital wintv cards are useless now, right?14:53
mungojerryquantal quetzal ?14:53
bigcalm!12.1014:55
lubotu3Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) will be the 17th release of Ubuntu, Discussion and support until final release in #ubuntu+114:55
bigcalmOh gah14:55
bigcalmYou know how you can really go off a sabdfl?14:55
davmor2bigcalm: just remember it's pronounced twelve point ten and there is no issues :D14:56
mungojerryLTS+1 is always an easily forgotten distro..14:57
bigcalmdavmor2: 12.10 it is :)14:57
bigcalmSCP is running at 14.7MB/s over a gigabit network15:05
bigcalmI has a sad15:05
davmor2bigcalm: 2 things, are you using cat6 ethernet cabling across all systems, and are all systems able to make use of gigbit, if there is one system connected that can't it will drop the entire system to 10/100 just to cheer you up15:13
directhexdavmor2, not on a switch. that's hub behaviour15:14
directhexswitches have per-port speed15:14
davmor2directhex: ah I was close though, the cat6 will still be key though right?15:14
directhexdavmor2, cat6 for patch cabling? nah. you can easily do gigabit over cat5e. 10gbe really needs cat6, or better, fibre15:15
gord14.7MB/s is still over 100mbit though, i doubt its getting downgraded15:15
davmor2Oh god it's happened again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO9gFAOAPFQ it's not on par with Narwahls but it's getting there15:22
AlanBellbigcalm: you might need to enable large frame sizes if you want to get all of the gigabit goodness15:44
AlanBellMTU of 900015:44
bigcalmAlanBell: interesting, things I did not know about15:51
feisar__hi I've set 'user     ALL=NOPASSWD:   /usr/bin/rsync' using visudo but when I'm running rsync as that user using sudo it still asks me for a password15:57
feisar__why would that be?15:58
mungojerryasking for sudo password or rsync/ssh password?15:59
feisar__sudo, running the rsync command without sudo works fine16:00
mungojerrydunno :-\16:01
feisar__ok cheers... strange...16:01
mungojerrytype which rsync16:02
bigcalmThat's enough faffing about. Time to blank the Revo and install 12.0416:46
hamitronbefore thursday?16:46
bigcalmOh, this is the alternative image16:47
bigcalmIt's going to be a server for my parents now that I've completed my own transfer to the Proliant16:47
* Dave2 hands bigcalm an alternative image.16:48
bigcalmDave2: careful now16:48
christel15:55  * jtrucks munches on a wall.16:49
* bigcalm tickles christel16:49
Dave2i am far too tired and that confused me as to which channel i was in16:49
christelerr accidental paste thar16:50
christelsorry16:50
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zleaphello17:12
popeyyo17:12
zleapubuntu manual for 11.10 is out, well it was a month ago, only just found it17:12
popeyretro17:13
zleapyeah17:13
zleaphowever i guess they are working on 12.04 by which time it will be superceeded by 12.1017:13
popey12.04 is more important17:14
popeybeing LTS17:14
popeyIMO17:14
zleapah, so i guess the manual will get more work done on it17:14
popeywell, potentially more readers17:14
popeygiven 12.04 is supported for 5 years17:14
zleapbut i agree with you on that one17:14
zleapyeah,   but we need manuals now i guess17:14
zleapi have the 10,04 book17:16
popeyyeah, they did well17:18
popeyi see the muktware guys are looking to make one too17:18
zleapa manual17:20
davmor2popey: you still around?17:58
popeyya17:58
davmor2to quote roughly from demolition man, "Don't you have a thought rattling around in that brain of yours, don't you have a education to perform, shouldn't you be playing games"18:00
davmor2popey: have you seen the latest TKMax ads?  I'm pretty sure that Daviey has gotten a call from your agent and is appearing in one of them :D18:02
popeylol no18:03
davmor2popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHLXhKZe6vo&feature=plcp&context=C4af3aa2VDvjVQa1PpcFOjtoIjKAaUwmU93PZYWIgBb5knaZd5szo%3D about 2 seconds in :)18:05
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peepswhile trying to install 12.04 got a message "video mode not supported" any ideas how to fix this?18:41
popeypeeps: hi18:43
peepshello18:43
popeypeeps: at what point do you see that?18:43
popeysounds like something your display might say18:43
peepsat the very start18:43
peepstrue18:44
popeywhat type of video card / computer is it?18:44
peepslooked at my bios and sorted all possible issues out18:44
peepsbut still the same18:44
davmor2peeps: is this running through a kvm?18:44
peepsits a home build system18:45
peepswinfast mb amd 6418:45
peepsonboard graphics18:45
peeps2 gig mem18:45
popeyso ATI video card?18:45
davmor2peeps: also have you tried letting it run for bit,  it could be that it is only the splash screen that the video doesn't support18:45
peepsnvidia driven18:45
peepslol, never thought of that one18:46
peepsit's my friends PC18:46
popeyyou installing off a USB or CD ?18:46
peepsand I'm trying to change him to linux.....lol18:47
peepscd18:47
popey18:47
popeyis the cd still spinning when it's blank?18:47
peepsyes18:47
popeyyeah, I'd leave it for a bit18:47
peepsso you could be right18:47
peepsjust never had that one before18:48
peepshe run windows and 10.10 no probs18:48
peepswhen I tried 12.04 that's what I got18:49
popeypeople in #ubuntu+1 - the official support channel - may know more18:50
peepsok thank you very much popey18:50
ali1234bug 98748519:44
lubotu3Launchpad bug 987485 in cups (Ubuntu) "Can only print once with USB to parallel adapter and HP 4L" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98748519:44
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zleapi just booted a 12,04 live usb stick  how do i get this hud thing up and the help screen (the one that appears above everything)19:59
ahayzenHUD -> press Alt20:00
ahayzenHelp Screen -> Hold Super key20:00
MartijnVdSPress alt?20:00
bigcalmPress and hold the super key for help20:00
bigcalmTap alt for the hud20:00
zleapthat puts numbers in the side bar thing20:01
MartijnVdSzleap: hold Super longer20:02
zleapwindows key right is super20:03
MartijnVdSyes20:04
MartijnVdSor win key left20:04
zleapnot working20:04
zleapwel i am holding it for more than 30 seconds20:04
GaryLittlemoreWhen is 12.04 released?20:04
zleapthursday20:05
GaryLittlemorethanks20:05
zleapnp20:05
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zleapis there  a way to configure the launcher20:06
zleaphm, compiz settings manager is not installed20:10
popeyzleap: you are probably in unity 2d20:12
popeythere is no overlay in 2d20:12
zleapok20:12
popeyand ccsm isnt installed by default20:12
popeynot that it would help you if you're in 2d20:12
zleapi just booted the live usb stick20:12
popeywhat video card?20:12
zleapnot sure,  its on my netbook20:13
popeywhat netbook?20:13
zleapcompiz works fine on 11.1020:13
zleapdell 10v20:13
popeyopen a terminal20:13
popeylspci | grep VGA20:13
zleapintel 945gce20:14
popeyinteresting20:14
zleapas i said it works with 11.10 so i guess if I install 12.04 and enable stuff it will work20:14
MartijnVdSAren't 945s the old hardware-buggy kind of Intel graphics chip?20:14
zleapdunno20:14
ali1234no, 945 works quite well20:15
MartijnVdSzleap: xorg.conf should tell you20:15
MartijnVdSali1234: which one was buggy then?20:15
MartijnVdSwere20:15
ali1234it's the core i3+ integrated graphics that don't work properly20:15
zleapi have 11.10 running normally just looking at 12.0420:15
zleapwell the compiz settngs screen does not even fit on the screen, so using the work space viewer to see all of it20:16
zleapthe screen is from the installer20:16
zleapso i have the software centre install screen up20:16
MartijnVdSzleap: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p20:16
zleapyes to everything20:17
popeyzleap: open a terminal... ps -aux | grep compiz20:19
popeyis it running?20:19
zleapyes20:19
popeyright, you're in unity 3d then20:19
zleapor i think it is20:19
zleapok20:20
popeyis there more than one line with compiz in it?20:20
popeynot just the grep line20:20
zleapyes20:20
zleaptop line is compiz i think,20:20
popeyok20:20
zleapso if I press super i get numbers on the launcher icons,  if i hold it down longer i should get a help screen thing up20:20
popeyit might not appear if your screen is too low res maybe20:21
zleap1024x60020:21
zleapits a netbook20:22
* popey tries on a netbook here20:22
zleapwell 12.04 is probably going to go on my spare emachines partition anyway20:22
zleapcurrently have 11.10 / linpus (or what ever it was called) and a recovery partition20:23
popeyyeah, it doesnt appear here either20:24
zleapok20:25
zleapmaybe something else could be displayedf20:25
zleapas if people expect it to appear and it doesn't you will get lots of people with the same issue, i guess20:26
popeyi dont think people will expect it to appear20:26
zleapor its something to note in any manuals / documentation at least,  may not work on small screens20:26
zleapok20:26
popeyfor most people it's a giant surprise that it exists at all20:27
zleapah20:27
zleapis there a way to get it on 11.1020:27
zleapi can test on main computer then20:27
popeyif you code it, yes20:27
zleapduh,  i could boot the live usb stick on main computer i guess20:27
ojridhey there20:29
popeyhello20:29
ojridwats ap20:30
hank3three3how can I find Users, I can find User Accounts but not Users21:35
hank3three3oh, sorry I am running 12.0421:35
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bigcalmMy two 12.04 servers no longer say they are running the development branch22:48
bigcalmThings must be close22:48
hamitronservers? :|22:50
hamitrondamn you live life to the max ;)22:50
bigcalmWorks just fine22:51
bigcalmI only use LTS releases on servers22:51
bigcalmSleep now22:51
hamitronsame, but I normally wait 6 months22:51
hamitrontill after release22:51
hamitron;)22:51
bigcalmBugs don't get fixed like that!22:51
hamitrontrue22:52
hamitronI've just changed to an ISP with unmetered downloads on evenings22:52
hamitronso may help next time22:52
daftykinsahoy!23:38
hamitronevening23:38
daftykinsanother day23:39
daftykinsstill deaf in one ear23:39
daftykinshow annoying :)23:39
hamitron:/23:40

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