[03:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Decades - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/04/23/decades
[06:47] <popey> Life is a minestrone.
[06:49] <ging> not sure if that was a massive netsplit, or a small one i was on the wrong side of
[07:10] <jussi> ging: the latter ;)
[07:14] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:46] <diplo> Morning all
[08:10] <popey> bug 987156
[08:23] <czajkowski> aquarius: is your blog down ?
[08:23] <aquarius> I'm working on it
[08:24] <aquarius> back now
[08:24] <czajkowski> aquarius: cheers
[08:25] <Daviey> aquarius: That was a worry.. I thought my primary source of news was offline!
[08:25] <aquarius> Daviey, I can see how you'd feel cut off without it
[08:26] <popey> golly, Daviey is alive
[08:27] <popey> aquarius: "Provding advice on being famous since 2003"
[08:28] <aquarius> I do my best :)
[08:34] <Daviey> popey: I never died.
[08:34] <Daviey> :)
[08:36] <JamesTait> Happy St George's Day, everyone! :D
[08:41] <aquarius> yay! Which dragon should we kill today?
[08:41]  * aquarius sings Land of Hope and Glory, which is excellent
[08:41] <gord> the ones in the den!
[08:41] <gord> is that a thing still? not watched uk tv in a while...
[08:42] <aquarius> although really Jerusalem is closer to being anthem
[08:51] <Laney> mmm on-the-turn milk
[08:51]  * Laney decided it was just the right side of OK still
[08:58] <diplo> I'd rather than drink black tea than have on the turn tbh
[08:58] <Laney> seems alright
[08:59] <directhex> you dead yet?
[09:00] <Laney> /quit Ping Timeout
[09:00] <diplo> :P
[09:02] <directhex> connection reset by milk?
[09:03] <Laney> bessie was feeling vindictive
[09:04]  * Laney moos uncontrollably
[09:06] <diplo> Guys is it possible to remove the launcher from a seconndary screen
[09:06] <diplo> I've found some settings to remove the lag between screens, but I really dont/can;t see the point of two launchers
[09:07] <diplo> Hmm, I ask and it seems there is a way if I hack a file, wondering if there is a front end way ( make sure I'm not missing an offical way )
[09:30] <popey> can someone test http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/ for me
[09:31] <popey> and click an episode or two and see if they download?
[09:35] <diplo> OGG Download works on front page
[09:36] <diplo> Want the mp3 ones tested as well ?
[09:38] <popey> any
[09:39] <diplo> Well yep, grabbed 3 files so far and all downloaded speedily
[09:39] <diplo> tried streaming one as well and that was also fine
[09:39] <popey> excellent
[09:39] <popey> thanks!
[09:39] <diplo> No worries
[10:01] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:02] <davmor2> morning all, czajkowski prod
[10:02] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:02] <czajkowski> davmor2: Good day to you :)
[10:03] <davmor2> morning brobostigon, czajkowski what this about airports you on your way home kiddo?
[10:37] <bigcalm> Hi peeps :)
[10:37] <popey> yo
[10:39] <bigcalm> popey: how's the XP?
[10:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: how do muppet boy
[10:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: Miss Piggy!
[10:40] <davmor2> popey: did you blow the dust off your speccy for it's birthday?
[10:41] <popey> bug 987223
[10:41] <popey> anyone fancy reproducing that
[10:42] <davmor2> popey: done
[11:37] <mungojerry> popey, it's a dupe
[11:38] <mungojerry> bug 985710
[11:41] <mungojerry> marked my earlier one as a dupe in deference to popey's greater influence :D
[11:42] <directhex> moo
[11:43] <mungojerry> baa
[11:43] <mungojerry> a farmer's version of foo-bar?
[11:54] <popey> mungojerry: oh, excellent
[11:56] <popey> bug 983827﻿
[11:56] <mungojerry> how do i get shotwell to autorotate photos to the correct way?
[11:57] <mungojerry> and does importing from pictures folder actually make a copy of the photos?
[12:10] <BigRedS> I don't think it does by default
[12:10] <BigRedS> mine didn't, but I didn't want it to and I don't recall asking it to refrain
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: it should autorotate if your camera sets the "needs rotation" bit in exif
[12:52] <directhex> hm, rainy
[13:09] <mungojerry> MartijnVdS, hmm
[13:09] <mungojerry> in which case they should be rotating
[13:10] <mungojerry> any idea about the second qu.?
[13:36] <mungojerry> uploading to google usic takes forever :(
[13:36] <mungojerry> and all the cover art is wrong :(
[13:41] <cocoa117> does anyone have /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc folder in their ubuntu 11.10 system?
[13:45] <Quantal_Quetzal> \o/
[14:06]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski just cause
[14:07] <davmor2> popey: you Quantal_Quetzal you
[14:08] <sagaci> Pretty Pretzel
[14:09] <gord> guys, just to be sure, we are all cool with saying "quantal" and not "quetzal" right? lets not have a repeat of oneiric where i had to check my spelling every time i wrote it
[14:10] <popey> ☺
[14:12] <czajkowski> lol
[14:13] <cocoa117> is there  a way to patch custermised ubuntu kernel, but only compile the new kernel's module? can make program do that? or it is simply impossible
[14:14] <popey> cocoa117: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/build-linux-kernel-module-against-installed-kernel-source-tree.html
[14:14] <popey> seen that?
[14:14] <davmor2> gord: that'll be 12.10 to all of us this time I think :D
[14:15] <popey> kwont'l is how I say it, with short 'o' sounds as in 'Tom'
[14:16] <sagaci> Quant as quantity and al as big al
[14:16] <cocoa117> popey, got it
[14:17] <davmor2> popey: indeed the free dictionary says it similarly but I still think 12.10 is easier on the tongue :D
[14:17] <popey> +1
[14:17] <czajkowski> on the plus side finally a desktop image I'd be happy to have as a default image
[14:19] <gord> quan as in obi-wan, tal as in tali'zorah vas normandy. i win nerdiest explanation.
[14:25] <popey> hah
[14:31]  * davmor2 goes for best terrorist section with quan as in tali-ban and tal as in tal-iban, me thinks he wins this section
[14:33] <popey> don't listen to these people, they're from the north, they talk funny.
[14:38] <gord> oh, its spectrums birthday, happy birthday childhood!
[14:53] <mungojerry> non-digital wintv cards are useless now, right?
[14:53] <mungojerry> quantal quetzal ?
[14:55] <bigcalm> !12.10
[14:55] <bigcalm> Oh gah
[14:55] <bigcalm> You know how you can really go off a sabdfl?
[14:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: just remember it's pronounced twelve point ten and there is no issues :D
[14:57] <mungojerry> LTS+1 is always an easily forgotten distro..
[14:57] <bigcalm> davmor2: 12.10 it is :)
[15:05] <bigcalm> SCP is running at 14.7MB/s over a gigabit network
[15:05] <bigcalm> I has a sad
[15:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: 2 things, are you using cat6 ethernet cabling across all systems, and are all systems able to make use of gigbit, if there is one system connected that can't it will drop the entire system to 10/100 just to cheer you up
[15:14] <directhex> davmor2, not on a switch. that's hub behaviour
[15:14] <directhex> switches have per-port speed
[15:14] <davmor2> directhex: ah I was close though, the cat6 will still be key though right?
[15:15] <directhex> davmor2, cat6 for patch cabling? nah. you can easily do gigabit over cat5e. 10gbe really needs cat6, or better, fibre
[15:15] <gord> 14.7MB/s is still over 100mbit though, i doubt its getting downgraded
[15:22] <davmor2> Oh god it's happened again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO9gFAOAPFQ it's not on par with Narwahls but it's getting there
[15:44] <AlanBell> bigcalm: you might need to enable large frame sizes if you want to get all of the gigabit goodness
[15:44] <AlanBell> MTU of 9000
[15:51] <bigcalm> AlanBell: interesting, things I did not know about
[15:57] <feisar__> hi I've set 'user     ALL=NOPASSWD:   /usr/bin/rsync' using visudo but when I'm running rsync as that user using sudo it still asks me for a password
[15:58] <feisar__> why would that be?
[15:59] <mungojerry> asking for sudo password or rsync/ssh password?
[16:00] <feisar__> sudo, running the rsync command without sudo works fine
[16:01] <mungojerry> dunno :-\
[16:01] <feisar__> ok cheers... strange...
[16:02] <mungojerry> type which rsync
[16:46] <bigcalm> That's enough faffing about. Time to blank the Revo and install 12.04
[16:46] <hamitron> before thursday?
[16:47] <bigcalm> Oh, this is the alternative image
[16:47] <bigcalm> It's going to be a server for my parents now that I've completed my own transfer to the Proliant
[16:48]  * Dave2 hands bigcalm an alternative image.
[16:48] <bigcalm> Dave2: careful now
[16:49] <christel> 15:55  * jtrucks munches on a wall.
[16:49]  * bigcalm tickles christel
[16:49] <Dave2> i am far too tired and that confused me as to which channel i was in
[16:50] <christel> err accidental paste thar
[16:50] <christel> sorry
[17:12] <zleap> hello
[17:12] <popey> yo
[17:12] <zleap> ubuntu manual for 11.10 is out, well it was a month ago, only just found it
[17:13] <popey> retro
[17:13] <zleap> yeah
[17:13] <zleap> however i guess they are working on 12.04 by which time it will be superceeded by 12.10
[17:14] <popey> 12.04 is more important
[17:14] <popey> being LTS
[17:14] <popey> IMO
[17:14] <zleap> ah, so i guess the manual will get more work done on it
[17:14] <popey> well, potentially more readers
[17:14] <popey> given 12.04 is supported for 5 years
[17:14] <zleap> but i agree with you on that one
[17:14] <zleap> yeah,   but we need manuals now i guess
[17:16] <zleap> i have the 10,04 book
[17:18] <popey> yeah, they did well
[17:18] <popey> i see the muktware guys are looking to make one too
[17:20] <zleap> a manual
[17:58] <davmor2> popey: you still around?
[17:58] <popey> ya
[18:00] <davmor2> to quote roughly from demolition man, "Don't you have a thought rattling around in that brain of yours, don't you have a education to perform, shouldn't you be playing games"
[18:02] <davmor2> popey: have you seen the latest TKMax ads?  I'm pretty sure that Daviey has gotten a call from your agent and is appearing in one of them :D
[18:03] <popey> lol no
[18:05] <davmor2> popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHLXhKZe6vo&feature=plcp&context=C4af3aa2VDvjVQa1PpcFOjtoIjKAaUwmU93PZYWIgBb5knaZd5szo%3D about 2 seconds in :)
[18:41] <peeps> while trying to install 12.04 got a message "video mode not supported" any ideas how to fix this?
[18:43] <popey> peeps: hi
[18:43] <peeps> hello
[18:43] <popey> peeps: at what point do you see that?
[18:43] <popey> sounds like something your display might say
[18:43] <peeps> at the very start
[18:44] <peeps> true
[18:44] <popey> what type of video card / computer is it?
[18:44] <peeps> looked at my bios and sorted all possible issues out
[18:44] <peeps> but still the same
[18:44] <davmor2> peeps: is this running through a kvm?
[18:45] <peeps> its a home build system
[18:45] <peeps> winfast mb amd 64
[18:45] <peeps> onboard graphics
[18:45] <peeps> 2 gig mem
[18:45] <popey> so ATI video card?
[18:45] <davmor2> peeps: also have you tried letting it run for bit,  it could be that it is only the splash screen that the video doesn't support
[18:45] <peeps> nvidia driven
[18:46] <peeps> lol, never thought of that one
[18:46] <peeps> it's my friends PC
[18:46] <popey> you installing off a USB or CD ?
[18:47] <peeps> and I'm trying to change him to linux.....lol
[18:47] <peeps> cd
[18:47] <popey> ☺
[18:47] <popey> is the cd still spinning when it's blank?
[18:47] <peeps> yes
[18:47] <popey> yeah, I'd leave it for a bit
[18:47] <peeps> so you could be right
[18:48] <peeps> just never had that one before
[18:48] <peeps> he run windows and 10.10 no probs
[18:49] <peeps> when I tried 12.04 that's what I got
[18:50] <popey> people in #ubuntu+1 - the official support channel - may know more
[18:50] <peeps> ok thank you very much popey
[19:44] <ali1234> bug 987485
[19:59] <zleap> i just booted a 12,04 live usb stick  how do i get this hud thing up and the help screen (the one that appears above everything)
[20:00] <ahayzen> HUD -> press Alt
[20:00] <ahayzen> Help Screen -> Hold Super key
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> Press alt?
[20:00] <bigcalm> Press and hold the super key for help
[20:00] <bigcalm> Tap alt for the hud
[20:01] <zleap> that puts numbers in the side bar thing
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> zleap: hold Super longer
[20:03] <zleap> windows key right is super
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> yes
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> or win key left
[20:04] <zleap> not working
[20:04] <zleap> wel i am holding it for more than 30 seconds
[20:04] <GaryLittlemore> When is 12.04 released?
[20:05] <zleap> thursday
[20:05] <GaryLittlemore> thanks
[20:05] <zleap> np
[20:06] <zleap> is there  a way to configure the launcher
[20:10] <zleap> hm, compiz settings manager is not installed
[20:12] <popey> zleap: you are probably in unity 2d
[20:12] <popey> there is no overlay in 2d
[20:12] <zleap> ok
[20:12] <popey> and ccsm isnt installed by default
[20:12] <popey> not that it would help you if you're in 2d
[20:12] <zleap> i just booted the live usb stick
[20:12] <popey> what video card?
[20:13] <zleap> not sure,  its on my netbook
[20:13] <popey> what netbook?
[20:13] <zleap> compiz works fine on 11.10
[20:13] <zleap> dell 10v
[20:13] <popey> open a terminal
[20:13] <popey> lspci | grep VGA
[20:14] <zleap> intel 945gce
[20:14] <popey> interesting
[20:14] <zleap> as i said it works with 11.10 so i guess if I install 12.04 and enable stuff it will work
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> Aren't 945s the old hardware-buggy kind of Intel graphics chip?
[20:14] <zleap> dunno
[20:15] <ali1234> no, 945 works quite well
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> zleap: xorg.conf should tell you
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: which one was buggy then?
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> were
[20:15] <ali1234> it's the core i3+ integrated graphics that don't work properly
[20:15] <zleap> i have 11.10 running normally just looking at 12.04
[20:16] <zleap> well the compiz settngs screen does not even fit on the screen, so using the work space viewer to see all of it
[20:16] <zleap> the screen is from the installer
[20:16] <zleap> so i have the software centre install screen up
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> zleap: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[20:17] <zleap> yes to everything
[20:19] <popey> zleap: open a terminal... ps -aux | grep compiz
[20:19] <popey> is it running?
[20:19] <zleap> yes
[20:19] <popey> right, you're in unity 3d then
[20:19] <zleap> or i think it is
[20:20] <zleap> ok
[20:20] <popey> is there more than one line with compiz in it?
[20:20] <popey> not just the grep line
[20:20] <zleap> yes
[20:20] <zleap> top line is compiz i think,
[20:20] <popey> ok
[20:20] <zleap> so if I press super i get numbers on the launcher icons,  if i hold it down longer i should get a help screen thing up
[20:21] <popey> it might not appear if your screen is too low res maybe
[20:21] <zleap> 1024x600
[20:22] <zleap> its a netbook
[20:22]  * popey tries on a netbook here
[20:22] <zleap> well 12.04 is probably going to go on my spare emachines partition anyway
[20:23] <zleap> currently have 11.10 / linpus (or what ever it was called) and a recovery partition
[20:24] <popey> yeah, it doesnt appear here either
[20:25] <zleap> ok
[20:25] <zleap> maybe something else could be displayedf
[20:26] <zleap> as if people expect it to appear and it doesn't you will get lots of people with the same issue, i guess
[20:26] <popey> i dont think people will expect it to appear
[20:26] <zleap> or its something to note in any manuals / documentation at least,  may not work on small screens
[20:26] <zleap> ok
[20:27] <popey> for most people it's a giant surprise that it exists at all
[20:27] <zleap> ah
[20:27] <zleap> is there a way to get it on 11.10
[20:27] <zleap> i can test on main computer then
[20:27] <popey> if you code it, yes
[20:27] <zleap> duh,  i could boot the live usb stick on main computer i guess
[20:29] <ojrid> hey there
[20:29] <popey> hello
[20:30] <ojrid> wats ap
[21:35] <hank3three3> how can I find Users, I can find User Accounts but not Users
[21:35] <hank3three3> oh, sorry I am running 12.04
[22:48] <bigcalm> My two 12.04 servers no longer say they are running the development branch
[22:48] <bigcalm> Things must be close
[22:50] <hamitron> servers? :|
[22:50] <hamitron> damn you live life to the max ;)
[22:51] <bigcalm> Works just fine
[22:51] <bigcalm> I only use LTS releases on servers
[22:51] <bigcalm> Sleep now
[22:51] <hamitron> same, but I normally wait 6 months
[22:51] <hamitron> till after release
[22:51] <hamitron> ;)
[22:51] <bigcalm> Bugs don't get fixed like that!
[22:52] <hamitron> true
[22:52] <hamitron> I've just changed to an ISP with unmetered downloads on evenings
[22:52] <hamitron> so may help next time
[23:38] <daftykins> ahoy!
[23:38] <hamitron> evening
[23:39] <daftykins> another day
[23:39] <daftykins> still deaf in one ear
[23:39] <daftykins> how annoying :)
[23:40] <hamitron> :/