[01:59] <pleia2> meeting in a minute :)
[02:01] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[02:01] <DonkeyHotei> why do i always forget it's sunday?
[02:01] <pleia2> ok, who all is here for the meeting?
[02:01] <DonkeyHotei> me, i guess
[02:01] <jyo> o/
[02:01] <philipballew> 0/
[02:01] <pleia2> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12April22
[02:01] <eps> o/
[02:02] <pleia2> #topic Ubuntu 12.04 Release on Thursday, April 26th
[02:02] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/PreciseRelease
[02:02] <akk> o/ here too
[02:02] <pleia2> so the 12.04 release is coming up this week :)
[02:02] <pleia2> only an event in SF so far: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/1615/detail/
[02:03] <philipballew> Who all is going?
[02:03] <pleia2> the link has the RSVP list
[02:03] <pleia2> good crowd so far, and a lot of people don't tend to RSVP (or do it last minute) so I'm hoping for a good turnout
[02:04] <philipballew> yeah. thats how it happens
[02:04] <pleia2> as a reminder to anyone, you can plan your own events elsewhere :) even if it's just an Ubuntu Hour you move to release night to mix things up a bit, or have an installfest in a few weeks
[02:05] <pleia2> unfortunately nothing really came of the noisebridge folks who expressed interest in running an installfest
[02:05] <pleia2> if I have some time this summer I might follow-up with them about leading one
[02:06] <pleia2> anyone else have anything about release stuff?
[02:06] <DonkeyHotei> it is my understanding that the above-linked event is simply a drinking party, so i'm not sure it would be worth it for me to go and just sit there doing nothing
[02:06] <philipballew> I can help out if it is in the city this summer probably. I have nothing going on
[02:07] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: it's the same as all our thirsty bear events, food, beer, other drinks, talking about ubuntu and open source stuff
[02:07] <DonkeyHotei> i don't think i've ever actually been to thirstybear
[02:07] <pleia2> I wouldn't call it a "drinking party" but it is a party so there isn't really an agenda or anything
[02:07] <dax> DonkeyHotei: I don't drink either and have been to them and did a non-zero number of things, so...
[02:07] <eps> It's a drinking party.
[02:08] <philipballew> if you want to have a release party a post uds party is still not to late
[02:08] <philipballew> the uds mark shuttleworth speech... thats a drinking party
[02:08] <eps> That's a drinking game
[02:08] <pleia2> I think I don't actually know what a "drinking party" is
[02:09] <pleia2> a party where there is drinking?
[02:09] <dax> philipballew: I was under the impression that the entire Ubuntu community went into hibernation for a week after UDS, though :P
[02:09] <pleia2> yeah, we do have the complication of UDS being local, so a few of us are pretty tied up with UDS planning post release ;)
[02:09] <philipballew> dax, yeah, but the release party is not for jusy the uds people. if someone holds one post uds, id crash it
[02:10] <DonkeyHotei> philipballew: when are you actually in town?
[02:10] <pleia2> otherwise I would have tried to do something more than just our standard "hang out at thirsty bear"
[02:10] <philipballew> saturday before uds\
[02:10] <DonkeyHotei> ah
[02:10] <DonkeyHotei> until?
[02:10] <philipballew> august
[02:10] <DonkeyHotei> ohh
[02:10] <DonkeyHotei> but i'm assuming the bulk of that is in sac
[02:11] <pleia2> anything else about release stuff before we talk about UDS?
[02:11] <philipballew> napa for a while DonkeyHotei
[02:12] <philipballew> hum, im spending all of may after uds in napa helping my 80 year old grandmother remodel her house and landscape
[02:12] <DonkeyHotei> oh, right
[02:12] <philipballew> something to do...
[02:12] <philipballew> but I have the ability to go and do whatever i need
[02:12] <pleia2> #topic Ubuntu Developer Summit: May 7-11
[02:13] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q
[02:13] <philipballew> totally going to crash this...
[02:13] <pleia2> so the only confirmed thing we're doing for UDS is the Wednesday night tourism night (and I'm running a dinner for Ubuntu Women project members on Thursday)
[02:13] <philipballew> baseball game a no-go?
[02:14] <pleia2> I need to email Michael Paoli about the Debian dinner (he was going to send a save-the-dae)
[02:14] <pleia2> date
[02:14] <pleia2> philipballew: I haven't heard any plans about it yet
[02:14] <philipballew> pleia2, do you not have a ubuntu hour that week i assume?
[02:14] <pleia2> philipballew: want to follow up with MarkDude about it?
[02:14] <jyo> Well, I've been a bit too busy to figure stuff out for an A's outing; anyone else should catch with MarkDude
[02:14] <pleia2> right, no SF ubuntu hour that week
[02:15] <philipballew> ill email mark on behalf of the loco
[02:15] <pleia2> thanks philipballew :)
[02:15] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to email mpaoli re: debian
[02:15] <pleia2> #action philipballew to talk to MarkDude re: A's game during UDS
[02:15] <philipballew> i like that one debian dinner i went to. that food was really good
[02:15] <pleia2> I'll also blog to the Ubuntu Planet this Friday (after release!) about UDS plans so maybe we can get some feedback about what people want to do
[02:16] <pleia2> philipballew: this time he's picking a chinese place in oakland, I'm sorry I'm missing it
[02:17] <philipballew> is there anything we can do to help people with the area? take them around and help them not get lost?
[02:17] <philipballew> teach the sf slang?
[02:17] <eps> Given the proximity to Oakland's chinatown, that's something of a no-brainer
[02:17] <pleia2> eps: indeed
[02:17] <pleia2> philipballew: ah, speaking of which!
[02:17] <philipballew> ill teach them all why hella is a real word
[02:17] <eps> I'm sure there will be plenty of possibilities for the other nights.
[02:17] <pleia2> I got these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/7052367909/
[02:18] <pleia2> eps: Monday, Tuesday and Friday are typically sponsored events at the summit itself, people don't have to go but Monday and Friday in particular it's pretty expected that people will be there
[02:18] <philipballew> pleia2, ill carry around maps. I get free aaa maps
[02:19] <pleia2> so those pins are for locals who can be helpful at UDS
[02:19] <DonkeyHotei> richard stallman picks out reasonably good places to eat in oakland's chinatown at random
[02:19] <eps> Wait, we're not all going to AT&T Park Friday night?
[02:19] <pleia2> I'll give them out at UDS to whoever wants them, and your job is to be helpful :)
[02:19] <pleia2> eps: Friday night is the big closing party
[02:19] <jyo> My default advice will be $20 clipper card. :)
[02:19] <pleia2> jyo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/PublicTransit
[02:20] <pleia2> we made a whole page :)
[02:20]  * akk got a clipper card specifically for UDS :)
[02:20] <philipballew> eps, i thought they were out of town that week and not a p-bell?
[02:20] <eps> Friday night is Roger Waters performing The Wall live
[02:20] <DonkeyHotei> my clipper card auto-reloads at the $20 level atm
[02:20] <jyo> The Giants roadtrip starts the Sunday before UDS and ends the Monday after.
[02:20] <jyo> ah
[02:21] <philipballew> Do I need a clipper card if I plam to roam the bay area all week then i assume?
[02:21] <pleia2> you never need a clipper card
[02:21] <pleia2> but it is nice to use one card and one source of payment for all transit
[02:21] <eps> philipballew: Don't worry. You'll get one.
[02:22] <pleia2> instead of buying tickets, making sure you have exact change, etc
[02:22] <akk> philipballew: It just saves time, so you don't have to hassle with ticket machines every time.
[02:22] <akk> . o O ( instead you have to hassle with wondering how much is left on the card and how to refill it? )
[02:23] <pleia2> I think the refill machines (Right next to ticket machines in most places) can give you a balance
[02:23] <pleia2> oh, I'll also follow up with Jack about the tour of NERSC he was offering
[02:24] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to follow up with Jack re: NERSC tour at UDS
[02:24] <pleia2> our next meeting is the day before UDS
[02:24] <pleia2> anyone else have anything for now?
[02:25] <pleia2> I'll firm up the plans in the next two weeks and send some notes to the list about what all ends up being on the schedule
[02:26] <pleia2> #topic Other news, announcements, misc
[02:27] <pleia2> grantbow and I did a BALUG presentation on 12.04 on Tuesday, our 2 page handout detailing some of the changes in 12.04 is available here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/handouts/12.04BALUGHandout.pdf
[02:28] <pleia2> I think that's all I've got :)
[02:31] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
[02:31] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[17:16] <philipballew_> pleia2, how late does uds go on Friday? I was going to figure out when I am leaving there, but dont want to miss the party and such...
[17:18] <pleia2> philipballew_: depends on the hotel, party usually goes past midnight and people leave on saturday
[17:19] <philipballew_> so then is my hotel paid for through Saturday or should i contact them to book further pleia2 ?
[17:19]  * philipballew_ checks email
[17:19] <pleia2> philipballew_: unless you told them otherwise you have the room sunday night through friday night
[17:19] <pleia2> check in sunday, check out saturday
[17:21] <philipballew_> alright. sweet! thanks pleia2 !
[18:44] <zeidoz> \o i found the greenpeace study on cloud cleanliness interesting
[20:35] <philipballew_> This animal name confuses me.
[20:36] <DonkeyHotei> why?
[20:37] <MarkDude> obscurity?
[20:41] <philipballew_> maybe, or maybe that I have no idea how to say it.
[20:41] <philipballew_> I mean animals are cool. id like something thats as cool as a name like beefy miracle, but that screams ubuntu
[20:43] <akk> Which one? pangolin?
[20:45] <DonkeyHotei> akk: yes
[20:45] <dax> damnit, I parse that as a nick now.
[20:45] <DonkeyHotei> i'm guessing "penguin" was just too obvious, and potentially confusing
[20:46] <DonkeyHotei> dax: which?
[20:46] <dax> DonkeyHotei: pangolin, they're an #ubuntu op
[20:46] <akk> I like pangolin.
[20:46] <akk> Because, yeah, penguin is too obvious even though they're awesome.
[20:47] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2012-04-23 01:46:59 PM PDT] -NickServ- Registered : Oct 05 20:11:59 2011 (28 weeks, 5 days, 00:34:57 ago)
[20:47] <DonkeyHotei> was that before the release name was picked, or after?
[20:49] <philipballew_> no. ubuntu -q
[20:49] <dax> right after, I'd imagine
[21:09] <kdub> who got
[21:09] <kdub> quetzal?
[21:09] <akk> That's a good one.
[21:09] <akk> Is that really the name?
[21:10] <akk> Quagga would be good too.
[21:10] <kdub> oh, no one read mark's blag today?
[21:13] <philipballew_> I read it this morning. I spent 5 minutes trying to prononuce it. I think its cool.
[21:15] <akk> As usual, fun animal, stupid adjective.
[21:15] <akk> All that repetition of "quality" makes me think of the bad parts of "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance".
[21:29] <philipballew_> ubuntu has shown more Quality lately
[21:29] <philipballew_> for what the average computer user wants
[22:56] <MarkDude> Makes Beefy Miracle loook less dumb
[22:56] <MarkDude> I mean it still looks dumb
[22:57] <MarkDude> not as much tho
[22:57] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Four Light Fixtures with melting/arcing wires... One outlet our neighbor was siphoning power off of at our expense and our fluorescent lights in our kitchen had a ballast that got so hot the sheet metal melted like it had been hit with a arc welder..... How is your Monday? Oh and its 82 degrees!
[22:57] <bkerensa> :P
[22:57] <bkerensa> +3 total days with very limited power
[22:59] <pleia2> code names are funny, I've taken to calling Debian by the numbers to our customers in preparation for Wheezy (not going to tell our customers we're installing Wheezy on their system :P)
[23:00] <akk> That is a problem, yeah.
[23:00] <pleia2> sarge, etch, even squeeze were ok
[23:01] <MarkDude> Are you making it to UDS bkerensa ?
[23:01] <DonkeyHotei> one of these days, i should actually watch toy story so i could stop being lost among all the debian releases
[23:01] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: you'll have to watch toy story and toy story 2! (wheezy is the first one to come from 2)
[23:02] <DonkeyHotei> and 3, of course
[23:02] <pleia2> nah, none of them are from 3 yet
[23:02] <akk> I saw toy story but I don't remember most of the characters being called by those names anyway.
[23:02] <pleia2> can probably wait a few years to watch that one :)
[23:02] <DonkeyHotei> there probably would be a release from 3 by the time i get around to it
[23:03] <akk> I can't believe they're still naming things after a silly movie that long ago.
[23:03] <pleia2> silly isn't what I can't believe, copyright loving, proprietary is what gets me :)
[23:03] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Are you kidding me after my power went out and sabdfl named 12.10  Quantum Quetzalcoatl? Of course
[23:03] <bkerensa> :P
[23:04] <akk> Quetzal, no coatl. :)
[23:06] <DonkeyHotei> pleia2: you'd prefer they open-source the movie script?
[23:06] <bkerensa> akk: What? sabdfl had the audacity to name it after a silly bird and not a Mesoamerican deity?!?!
[23:06] <DonkeyHotei> what would be the benefit to the community from that?
[23:06] <bkerensa> :D
[23:06] <MarkDude> Winged serpent would have been better
[23:07] <MarkDude> well most of us know about the mezo-diety
[23:07] <MarkDude> not the animal
[23:07] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: no, I don't prefer anything, I am surprised that a distribution so committed to proprietary freedom still uses names from a non-free movie from a company known for aggressiv eproprietaryness
[23:07] <pleia2> not asking disney to change, surprised that debian hasn't ;)
[23:07] <akk> MarkDude: And we could use Quetzy from downtown San Jose as a mascot.
[23:07] <akk> All hail the poop snake!
[23:08] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Are you going to UDS, CLS or OSCON?
[23:08] <bkerensa> MarkDude: apps for oscon start a week or two ago
[23:09] <DonkeyHotei> toy story was chosen because the debian project leader at the time was debian project leader as part of his job working for pixar, on the movie
[23:09] <pleia2> yep
[23:09] <DonkeyHotei> so it's only fair
[23:10] <DonkeyHotei> using debian for such a proprietary purpose fell fully within the DFSG
[23:10] <MarkDude> akk lol
[23:11] <MarkDude> UDS yes
[23:11] <MarkDude> CLS and OSCON I just need to show up
[23:11] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: you're completely missing my point :) but I need to get back to work anyway
[23:11] <MarkDude> Daddy Shadowman has it taken carre of
[23:14] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Who is this Daddy Shadowman you speak of
[23:14] <bkerensa> :)
[23:14] <bkerensa> MarkDude: On May 11th you want to come out to Mountain View with me for a Mozilla VIP Party?
[23:14] <bkerensa> :D
[23:15] <bkerensa> also if you wanna setup a MozCoffee while I'm down let me know so I can put in a funding request
[23:15] <dragon> Mozilla VIP party sounds like fun!
[23:16] <dax> bkerensa: redhat, I imagine
[23:16] <bkerensa> dragon: We will be having a Mozilla WebFWD Mixer in Mountain View the night that UDS ends
[23:16] <bkerensa> dax: yeah his minion redhat folk who give him a credit card to play with :P
[23:16] <dragon> bkerensa: But UDS is in Oakland. Isn't that a bit too far?
[23:16] <bkerensa> dragon: Mozilla will cover my transportation :)
[23:16] <bkerensa> They take care of team members
[23:17] <dragon> Fair enough.
[23:17] <bkerensa> I do wish it was at the new SF office though.... MV is a bit of a trip
[23:17] <dragon> Well, I live close to MV any way. MozParty sounds awesome, as long as Mozilla opens up their web store to developers soon!
[23:18] <pleia2> the new SF office isn't very big
[23:18] <MarkDude> bkerensa, maybe
[23:18] <MarkDude> A friend maybe having a housewarming party
[23:18] <bkerensa> MarkDude: tell that friend I want to go
[23:18] <bkerensa> ;)
[23:19] <MarkDude> Well, she has a limited list
[23:19] <MarkDude> Maybe we can get you set up for some zombie pics tho
[23:21] <dragon> Mozilla Marketplace is open to devs. I'm in.
[23:22] <MarkDude> bkerensa, you met dragon ?
[23:22] <MarkDude> both of yous guys are awesome peoples
[23:24] <dragon> Hello bkerensa!
[23:26] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I have not met in person
[23:27] <MarkDude> Well you will