[00:30] <nigelb> hah
[00:30] <nigelb> "I’ve found a really great use for systemd. If you want to know if someone is sane you can ask them their opinion on it, if they say that they love systemd and that everyone should use it, then you know that something is very wrong with them."
[00:34] <MrChrisDruif> <_<"
[00:43] <Jacky> xD
[02:35] <doctormon> akgraner: Evening
[05:35] <jo-erlend> ok, so my Ubuntu flash-intro is completed! Wohoo. Now, I just need to chop off the first four and last three seconds of the ogg video. Does anyone have a fast way of doing that?
[05:37] <doctormon> jo-erlend: I'd use openshot
[05:41] <jo-erlend> doctormon, that's what I used, but it turned out I have to chop off the beginning and end. I'd rather not have to reencode. Does OpenShot enable that?
[05:51] <jo-erlend> oggz-chop was able to remove the end of it, but not the beginning. Weird.
[05:53] <jo-erlend> when I try with OpenShot, everything becomes scrambled.
[05:53] <jo-erlend> audio and video goes completely out of sync.
[06:00] <doctormon> jo-erlend: I'm actually having problems with openshot atm. shopping off the start of my video
[06:01] <jo-erlend> doctormon, great. Then let's cooperate, if we're doing the exact same thing? :)
[06:02] <jo-erlend> using oggz-chop from oggz-tools, it seems I'm able to get sequences, but not the one I want.
[06:03]  * bkerensa loves openshot
[06:05] <jo-erlend> bkerensa, but it doesn't work for what I need it to do.
[06:05] <jo-erlend> well. Perhaps I can try to start over...
[06:12] <jo-erlend> think that may have worked quite well.
[06:16] <jo-erlend> my only grief with it is that it only uses a single core to process. I have six of them, so that's a waste.
[06:20] <jo-erlend> I think I got a very cool finish by shear luck. Looking forward to seeing it when it's finished :)
[06:36] <bkerensa> jono_: I have another volunteer for CLS who has a car :)
[06:37] <jo-erlend> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sup9KgvH7Dk <-- Nice, huh?! :)
[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[06:45] <doctormon> It doesn't like ogv files, I converted to mkv/mpeg4 using ffmpeg
[06:50] <bkerensa> hi dholbach
[06:50] <jono_> bkerensa, nice!
[06:50] <jono_> can you email me the details?
[06:50] <jono_> bed for me now, night1
[07:10] <dpm> good morning all!
[07:31] <bkerensa> good morning dpm
[07:31] <dpm> hey bkerensa, how's everything going? :)
[07:32] <bkerensa> dpm: uhh just getting read to get this release done with and UDS behind us :)
[07:32] <bkerensa> ready**
[07:33] <dpm> yeah, I think we're all like that :)
[07:33] <bkerensa> dpm: then rinse and repeat
[13:38] <nigelb> AlanBell, popey - https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/373982_265334170215072_222300871185069_593939_398215845_n.jpg
[13:40] <popey> hah
[13:40] <forestpiskie> hi nigelb and good day everyone else
[13:42] <nigelb> Hey forestpiskie :)
[14:24] <doctormon> nigelb: I'm also British ;-) also subscribed to chap and wear a bowler hat with a picket watch.
[14:24] <doctormon> Harumph
[14:24] <nigelb> doctormon: hahaha. totally forgot :D
[14:24] <nigelb> doctormon: How's Violet doing?
[14:24] <doctormon> Moaning at the moment, progressing to crying.
[14:24] <nigelb> Heh
[14:24] <doctormon> how are you?
[14:25] <nigelb> Good.
[14:25] <mhall119> doctormon: you should draw nigelb
[14:41] <cprofitt> doctormon: sounds like she is hungry
[14:41] <daker> mhall119, cjohnston visa rejected :'(
[14:44] <mhall119> daker: aww :(
[14:44] <mhall119> man, that sucks
[14:44] <dholbach> daker, :-((((((((((((((((
[14:44] <jono> daker:-(
[14:44]  * dholbach hugs daker
[14:44]  * dholbach hugs daker
[14:44]  * dholbach hugs daker
[14:44]  * dholbach hugs daker
[14:44] <jono> man, why, did they reject?
[14:44]  * cprofitt hugs dholbach and daker 
[14:45] <cprofitt> sorry to hear that daker
[14:45]  * nigelb hugs daker 
[14:45] <nigelb> Don't worry, everyone goes through one of these.
[14:46] <dholbach> daker, if you can't come to UDS, UDS should come to you!
[14:47] <nigelb> amen to that.
[14:47] <nigelb> Casablanca UDS! I'd love that.
[14:47] <mhall119> maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow
[14:47] <mhall119> I'm shocked! Shocked to find drinking going on at this conference
[14:48] <nigelb> mhall119: <3
[14:48] <mhall119> we can all dress up in 1940's attire
[14:48] <mhall119> doctormon already has it all
[14:53] <daker> dholbach, thank you all ツ
[14:54] <daker> nigelb, Marrakech UDS ツ
[14:54] <dholbach> yes, Marrakech would be nice :)
[14:57] <mhall119> I have no puns about Marrakech
[14:58] <cjohnston> :-/
[14:58] <dholbach> mhall119, you don't need puns there - just take your camera - you'd love it there :)
[14:59] <jono> alrighty
[14:59] <bkerensa> ;p
[15:00] <mhall119> dholbach: I bet I would
[15:00] <dholbach> ... and the food
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, mhall119, balloons, dpm meeting time!
[15:00] <jcastro> yup
[15:00] <jono> #startmeeting
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[15:00] <jono> Welcome one and all to the Canonical Community Team meeting!
[15:00] <jono> a place where you can find the latest goings on in this venerable team
[15:01] <jono> prepare for a collection of status updates from this cacophony of wide eyed bandits
[15:01] <jono> first up...a man who rejects the idea that "there are enough developers"
[15:01] <jono> ...dholbach!
[15:01] <dholbach> hello! :)
[15:01] <dholbach>  ☺ Dev Advisory Team: Continued review and improvements to the report of feedback we got from new contributors. Andrew mailed it out, I blogged it. Started to get in touch with contributors who mentioned docs as a shortcoming, to ask them to help identify and fix specific issues.
[15:02] <dholbach>  ☺ Dev News: Got another dev update out, this time's highlight: getting last-minute fixes in.
[15:02] <dholbach>  ☺ Sponsoring: Got some eyes on the sponsoring queue to make a decision about the items in there and figure out if we want to have them for 12.04 or 12.10. Current count: 50 items. Produced list of folks who didn't patch pilot. Had my patch pilot shift today as well.
[15:02] <dholbach> err Current count: 33
[15:02] <dholbach>  ☺ Dev Infrastructure: fixed bugs in Harvest API - it was never used much, so there were quite a few things which had to be brushed up to make it truly useful. Worked on Dev Opportunities Lens, and got a first cut ready to work, now working on introducing categories/scope functionality.
[15:03] <dholbach>  ☺ CC: set up CC Trello - no more agenda writing, less note-taking - YAY. Posted new version of CoC to get more feedback from everyone - will be discussed in next CC meeting. Had some followup discussions. CC meeting with the ARB.
[15:03] <dholbach>  ☺ 12.10 preparation: some small edits and refinement to 12.10 plans. Filed blueprints.
[15:03] <dholbach>  ☺ Apps: Had a call with dpm, jono and mhall119 about getting apps into Ubuntu. Call with mvo about /opt requirement for ARB apps. Prepared https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptRequirement - talked to several TB members about the topic. Sumarised meeting with CC/ARB. Had a chat with Michael Nelson about myApps priorities, discussed some specific bug fixes. Had several more phone calls with Michael Vogt about different ways to do app review
[15:03] <dholbach> s in the future.
[15:03] <dholbach>  ☺ Misc: Helped some more with packaging the accomplishments bits. Helped jedimike with some django packaging. Did a server test install, which will become my Q devel vm - worked perfectly.
[15:04] <dholbach> That's it from me.
[15:04]  * dpm hugs dholbach
[15:04]  * dholbach hugs dpm back :)
[15:04] <jono> any questions for dholbach?
[15:04] <dholbach> I'm looking forward to working with dpm some more in Q :)
[15:04] <mhall119> dholbach: is MyApps open to community contributions?/
[15:05] <dpm> \o/
[15:05] <jono> mhall119, no
[15:05] <dholbach> mhall119, you mean as others could review apps as well?
[15:05] <jono> this is one area we need to fix
[15:05] <mhall119> dholbach: I mean for adding features
[15:05] <jono> oh I assumed you mean open source
[15:05] <dholbach> ah no
[15:05] <mhall119> to MyApps itself
[15:05] <dholbach> not AFAIK
[15:05] <dholbach> I can ask noodles about it
[15:05] <jono> I talked to davidpitkin about focusing on this in the 13.04 cycle
[15:05] <jono> for 12.10 we will request changes to their team
[15:06] <jono> dholbach, so I would like to ask you to prepare a blueprint that summarizes all required MyApps changes
[15:06] <jono> that we can present to David Pitkin for review after UDS
[15:06] <dholbach> ok
[15:06] <jono> importantly, we should only request changes that we are confident will bring a real and practical impact to the ARB
[15:07] <dholbach> yes
[15:07] <jono> thanks
[15:07] <jono> any other questions?
[15:07] <jcastro> \o/
[15:07] <jono> alrighty
[15:07] <jono> next up...
[15:08] <jono> ...you don't know this yet, but you are about to write a new app for Ubuntu...and he will make it happen...
[15:08] <jono> ...dpm!
[15:08] <dpm> hey everyone!
[15:08] <dpm> so here we go
[15:08] <dpm> App Developers
[15:08] <dpm>  
[15:09] <dpm> • Discussed app developer 12.10 strategy with jono and mhall119
[15:09] <dpm> • Finished off 12.10 app developer strategy with mhall119
[15:09] <dpm> • Had chats and did some research with dholbach about the /opt packaging requirement for ARB apps
[15:10] <dpm> • Reviewed, edited and published davidc3's tutorial on creating a unity lens for the Wikipedia
[15:10] <dpm> • Wrote and published monthly top 10 apps blog post
[15:10] <dpm> • Rearranged the d.u.c. tutorials section to be the "App developer cookbook" after a conversation with jono. It's on http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-developer-cookbook/all-recipes/
[15:11] <dpm> • Started working on a form to facilitate sending tutorials
[15:12] <dpm> • Participated in the CC/ARB meeting
[15:12] <dpm>  
[15:12] <dpm> Translators
[15:12] <dpm>  
[15:12] <dpm> A crazy week it was
[15:12] <dpm> as it was the translations deadline
[15:13] <dpm> • Spent quite a lot of time fixing Kubuntu translation templates in Launchpad due to a bug in the packaging
[15:13] <dpm> • Discussed final language pack schedule with pitti
[15:13] <dpm> • Ubuntu 12.04 Simplified Chinese translation:
[15:14] <dpm>   ∘ Discussed and arranged the schedule for the final language pack containing the final translations
[15:14] <dpm>   ∘ Set up the final translation to be prioritized and uploaded in time for the deadline in Launchpad
[15:14] <dpm> • Created final version of the 12.04 translations contributors list for the release notes credits section
[15:15] <dpm> • Helped the Web Design team updating translations for the Ubuntu Online Tour and the extended tour
[15:15] <dpm>   ∘ http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/12.04/zh-CN/
[15:15] <dpm>   ∘ http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/extended-tour/zh-CN/
[15:15] <dpm> •  Helped jbicha with the multilingual help.ubuntu.com setup
[15:15] <dpm>  
[15:15] <dpm> Other
[15:15] <dpm>  
[15:16] <dpm> • Had some spare time one evening last week and set up the Ubuntu Code of Conduct for translations
[15:16] <dpm> and that was all from me
[15:17] <jono> any questions for dpm?
[15:18] <mhall119> the cookbook section looks much nicer
[15:18] <mhall119> +1 dpm
[15:18]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[15:18] <dpm> glad you like it :)
[15:18] <dpm> now we need more recipes!
[15:18] <jcastro> thank you for not calling them charms
[15:18] <dpm> and app devs to join the cooking fest
[15:18] <jcastro> or candystix or somesuch
[15:18] <dpm> hahaha
[15:18] <jussi> will there be a flavours section if people will populate it?
[15:18] <jono> :-)
[15:19] <mhall119> dpm: we should probably make a note of which language the tutorials use
[15:19] <dpm> mhall119, yeah, that's a good idea. We need to think how to record this kind of info. I was thinking of tags and categories, but by default it seems WP pages don't use tags or categories
[15:20] <jussi> or will things more relatd to other DE's just go straight in?
[15:20] <mhall119> for posts it does, maybe not pages
[15:20] <dpm> yes, that's what I meant, pages don't support them
[15:20] <mhall119> jussi: things for other DE will probably be linked to in the "elsewhere on the web" sections
[15:21] <jussi> k
[15:21] <jono> alrighty
[15:21] <jono> next up!
[15:21] <mhall119> dpm: we can probably just group them on the page, we can brainstorm after the meeting
[15:21] <jono> ...a man with a bad case of the Juju...
[15:21] <jono> ...jcastro!
[15:21] <jcastro> WOO!
[15:21] <jcastro> # Welcome to my Weekly Report
[15:21] <jcastro> This week's report brought to you by Iron Maiden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP2EjZ5lKkA
[15:21] <jcastro> Short week as I was travelling last week.
[15:21] <jcastro> ## OpenStack Conference
[15:22] <jcastro> - Mark demoed Bare metal to deployed OpenStack. This takes about _12 minutes_. We also announced full OpenStack backports for their next 4 releases back to 12.04. Great show that is growing very quickly.
[15:22] <jcastro> - Did a charm school with Clint, about ~50 people. Clint nailed it, best charm school we've had so far. 2 hours of questions and demos!
[15:22] <jcastro> - Clint finished the SPDY charm, deploy it today! http://www.jorgecastro.org/2012/04/17/want-to-mess-with-spdy-easily-come-experiment-with-it-via-juju/
[15:22] <jcastro> ## Todo/Doing this week
[15:22] <jcastro> I am going to UDS a week early so I am on a time crunch! Main problem is I haven't been getting enough volunteers for OpenWeek, any help here would be appreciated!
[15:22] <jcastro> - IS says they should be able to fix the forums SSO problem on Wednesday. <-- s-fox
[15:22] <jcastro> - Put the plenaries on the schedule (they are scheduled just not on the sched)
[15:22] <jcastro> - Schedule blueprints for myself, coordinate juju ones with team.
[15:22] <jcastro> - Calxeda and Dell demos for UDS
[15:22] <jcastro> - Say "marbles" at the end of this report if you're paying attention.
[15:22] <jcastro> - Other plenary follow up with derivatives, other presenters, etc.
[15:22] <jcastro> - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek is behind, I need help getting people to do sessions; unfortunately mhall, balloons, and I will be at OAK. Any help here would be appreciated!
[15:22] <jcastro> - All the stuff on my next/inprogress (see link below)
[15:23] <jcastro> ## Other
[15:23] <mhall119> cjohnston: you should do a session on summit and remote participation
[15:23] <jcastro> - I am in UDS mode all next week, if you need something done, this is the week to bug me about it, next week I am in the land of magical juju charms and candy canes.
[15:23] <jcastro> - My Trello breakdown: http://strapello.com/user/jorgecastro
[15:23] <jcastro> STATUS REPORT ALL THE THINGS, Questions?
[15:23] <jussi> marbles
[15:23] <jcastro> :)
[15:23] <jussi> :)
[15:24] <mhall119> well at least somebody way ;)
[15:24] <dholbach> marbles :-P
[15:24] <mhall119> was
[15:24] <jono> any questions for jcastro?
[15:24] <jussi> jcastro: how much is missing from the open week stuff?
[15:24] <jussi> and what exactly needs doing
[15:25] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[15:25] <balloons> 7 open sessions
[15:25] <jcastro> I need 7 more sessions/instructors
[15:27] <jono> ok, no more questions?
[15:27] <jcastro> oh wait!
[15:27] <jcastro> hey so I've put out like 3 calls for instructors, ideas for more?
[15:28] <jcastro> I'm kind of becoming a desperate begging mess. :)
[15:28] <jussi> jcastro: Im just attempting to get someone
[15:28] <jussi> jcastro: voluntell !
[15:28] <jcastro> rawk, I'll go whine to devel one more time I think and voluntell people
[15:28] <mhall119> cjohnston: do a UOW session or I won't review any more summit MPs
[15:28] <mhall119> :)
[15:28] <mhall119> daker: would you be willing to run a session about loco team portal, how to use it, etc?
[15:29] <daker> ma
[15:29] <daker> mhall119, ok ツ when ?
[15:30] <mhall119> daker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek has the schedule
[15:30] <mhall119> any time that's open
[15:30] <mhall119> jcastro: next time, let's not schedule this during the design sprint :)
[15:31] <technoviking> morning all
[15:31] <jcastro> pleia pointed out there's a missing week this time
[15:31] <jussi> hi technoviking
[15:31] <jono> ok lets move along
[15:31] <jono> next up...
[15:31] <jono> ...quality is something that defines this guy...
[15:31] <jono> ...balloons!
[15:31] <balloons> :-)
[15:32] <balloons> the intros never get old
[15:32] <jono> :-)
[15:32] <balloons> just so you know jcastro QA is by far the most exciting thing going on this week :)
[15:32] <jcastro> indeed!
[15:33] <balloons> Met with QA team to review the cycle and reflect on positives and negatives. Did a bit of self-reflection on what testing processes went well and what didn't. I'm happy to hear feedback on your experiences with the calls for testing, manual app testing, iso testing, or any other testing imitative we had this cycle.
[15:33] <balloons> Talked with elopio from ubuntu one about moztrap, played around with his test instance.
[15:34] <balloons> Kicked off adopting an iso. The goal was to promote iso testing for this last bit of precise. Over 100 folks responded and agreed to do their best in helping test. This has been amazing.
[15:35] <balloons> Fun fact -- I sent and recieved over 200 emails in 24 hours on the iso testing subject. Talking to everyone was a blast ;-) I'm glad I decided to go the email route -- I hope it was enjoyable getting a live connection to a person instead of just a wiki page
[15:35] <balloons> If you haven't / weren't able to help with iso testing, remember there will be more opportunities to get involved next cycle.
[15:35] <balloons> Looking at the top testers report, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers, we see several new faces in the top ten, and 96 different iso testers. This is a testament to those that stepped up and volunteered for iso testing.
[15:36] <balloons> Blueprints and UDS planning has been in full swing. On the QA side we have several great conversations for UDS surrounding our tool adoption and strategy going forward, as well as continuing to reach new people and grow our QA community.
[15:37] <balloons> Made plans to buy a new system so I can test more/better next cycle. (new hardware, yummy!) Yes all of you testers with multiple systems and big screens out there made me jealous, lol.
[15:37] <jono> :-)
[15:37] <balloons> Also recruiting volunteers for a QA session or two during open week. Heading to UDS early with jcastro and mhall119. I have the ideas, if you don't know what to speak about :-)
[15:38] <balloons> ..
[15:40] <balloons> crickets...
[15:40]  * balloons wonders if he dc'd
[15:40] <mhall119> we didn't know you were done
[15:40] <dholbach> ".." is release team meeting speak for "I'm done"
[15:40] <jono> yeah you need to say you are done balloons
[15:40] <balloons> mhall119, that's always an easy answer, lol
[15:40] <jono> we are not mind readers :-)
[15:41] <balloons> I'm never done
[15:41] <jono> haha
[15:41] <balloons> sorry :-)
[15:41] <jono> alrighty
[15:41] <balloons> I will take questions tho
[15:41] <jono> any questions for balloons?
[15:41] <balloons> hehe
[15:41] <mhall119> with the email thing, did you have to keep everybody in the loop with what everyone else was doing?
[15:41] <mhall119> or was that not really a concern
[15:42] <balloons> mhall119, no the iso tracker handled that piece.. but it was handy to speak directly to everyone about what was going on with the iso's and what the focus should be each day, etc
[15:42] <mhall119> like, for my blogs on quicklists and keywords, I had people leave comments about  which app they were working on, to avoid duplication of effort
[15:42] <mhall119> ah, ok
[15:42] <balloons> yea
[15:42] <balloons> plus I assigned them an iso, based upon what they said they would/could test
[15:43] <balloons> that I think worked out very well
[15:43] <dpm> jcastro, sorry, MARBLES!!!
[15:43] <dholbach> haha :)
[15:43] <balloons> we got excellent coverage that way, where we traditionally don't since everyone tests the more popular iso's
[15:43] <mhall119> dpm: just now?
[15:44] <dpm> :-)
[15:44] <jono> alrighty
[15:44] <jono> next up!
[15:44] <dpm> I was being pinged by somebody else and was in another conversation :)
[15:44] <jono> ...a man swimming upstream and make them rock and roll in Ubuntu...this guy will make your software experience in Ubuntu 12.10 a good time for everyone involved...
[15:44] <jono> ...mhall119!
[15:44] <mhall119> :)
[15:45] <mhall119> * Brainstorming improvements for App developers for the 12.10 cycl
[15:45] <mhall119> if you've noticed a theme, you're right!  We're going to make Ubuntu rock for app developers
[15:45] <mhall119> * Refactored developer portal Unity docs to make them more prominent and accessible: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/
[15:46] <mhall119> I'll be monitoring the traffic to see where we can improve getting people to the useful information
[15:46] <mhall119> but we've already seen a slight increase in people looking at the Unity docs, and even more so the API pages, thanks in part to...
[15:46] <mhall119> * Added API documentation pages for both 11.04 and 12.04: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/platform/api/
[15:47] <mhall119> so we now cover every version of Ubuntu that shipped with Unity as default
[15:47] <mhall119> * Got with jbicha and bkerensa to collect documentation contributors for the 12.04 cycle
[15:47] <mhall119> thanks again bkerensa
[15:47] <mhall119> * Defined my objectives for the 12.10 cycle
[15:47] <mhall119> very, very excited about what we're going to be doing in the next 6 months
[15:48] <mhall119> * Started tracking upstreams to bring into USC
[15:48] <mhall119> * Blogged about Ubuntu for App Developers
[15:48] <mhall119> got a lot of traffic from that one, people are *definitely* interested in our app developer story
[15:48] <jono> bring it!
[15:48] <mhall119> * Helped cjohnston with some enhancements to summit.ubuntu.com
[15:49] <mhall119> Track leads will now be able to create, approve and schedule meetings for their tracks!
[15:49] <mhall119> * Finished and Published the new Unity contributor documentation: http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/
[15:49] <jono> :-)
[15:50] <mhall119> my gimp-fu is getting pretty good after all those screenshots and banners
[15:50] <jono> heh
[15:50] <mhall119> * Got Precise main and universe packages added to screenshots.debian.net
[15:50] <mhall119> And finally
[15:50] <mhall119> * Added sound menu example to hello-unity: http://ubuntuone.com/2usdghRU9SfugPYMOqZHqA
[15:50]  * mhall119 is done
[15:50] <dpm> I've said it repeatedly, but I love the new API pages
[15:51] <mhall119> :)
[15:51] <jono> cool on the sound menu :-)
[15:51]  * dpm is also excited about 12.10 and app developers
[15:51] <jono> dpm, totally :-)
[15:51] <jono> any questions for mhall119?
[15:51] <bkerensa> mhall119: no problem.... Still hoping for sumo in help.ubuntu.com ;p
[15:52] <mhall119> bkerensa: yup, on my list to do
[15:52] <jono> bkerensa, can you help lead that project?
[15:52] <jono> bkerensa, mhall119 is going to be bery busy in 12.10, so help coordinating the sumo implementation for help.u.c would be great
[15:52] <cprofitt> bkerensa: what is up with help.ubuntu.com?
[15:53] <mhall119> cprofitt: just evaluating alternatives to moinmoin
[15:53] <cprofitt> ah,... cool
[15:53] <bkerensa> jono: I would have to confer with mdke and jbicha but yeah that is something I am interested in Q
[15:53] <jono> bkerensa, cool, could you check into it and let us know?
[15:53] <bkerensa> jono: yep will do
[15:54] <cprofitt> I know some of the forum guys are working on adding content so perhaps some of them might be interested in helping too
[15:54] <jono> I am sure mhall119 can help support this work
[15:54] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen: ping
[15:54] <jono> but we really need someone else to drive it
[15:54] <jono> alrighty...
[15:54] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Yeah I am the Forums Council's Doc Team Contact guy I guess
[15:54] <cprofitt> bkerensa: cool!!
[15:54] <jono> I will go last I guess...
[15:54] <mhall119> cprofitt: we can discuss in #ubuntu-doc if you want
[15:55] <jono> shorter week this week due to a week of conference work
[15:55]  * cprofitt nods
[15:55] <jono>  * Team:
[15:55] <jono>   - Things are looking good as we wrap up the 12.04 cycle.
[15:55] <jono>  * 12.10 Planning:
[15:55] <jono>   - Lots of discussion with each of the guys about their respective plans.
[15:55] <jono>   - Reviewed plans with other key stakeholders.
[15:55] <jono>   - The 12.10 plan is now finalized.
[15:55] <jono>  * UDS:
[15:55] <jono>   - Scheduling is going ahead.
[15:55] <jono>   - Coordinating various partner and sponsor requirements.
[15:55] <jono>   - Coordinating the social events.
[15:56] <jono>  * App Review Board:
[15:56] <jono>   - Summarized various areas of focus for ARB optimization.
[15:56] <jono>   - Working with the team to start focusing on these different areas and track our work there.
[15:56] <jono>  * OpenStack Conference:
[15:56] <jono>   - The majority of the week I was at the OpenStack Summit and Conference in San Francisco.
[15:56] <jono>   - sabdfl gave a fantastic keynote, and the entire team worked well in delivering it reliably and on time.
[15:56] <jono>   - Lots of other good discussions last week about our focus and strategy, and building good partner relationships.
[15:56] <jono>  * Catching Up:
[15:56] <jono>   - Back to work yesterday after a week at the conference and catching up with email and calls.
[15:56] <jono>  * Ubuntu Accomplishments:
[15:56] <jono>   - Working towards the 0.1 release.
[15:57] <jono>   - We now have working packages and are getting our PPA in shape.
[15:57] <jono>   - Our next step is fixing all remaining 0.1 bugs at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-accomplishments/+milestone/0.1
[15:57] <jono> and that is it from me
[15:57] <jono> any questions?
[15:57] <mhall119> how's the unity integration going for accomplishments?
[15:58] <jono> mhall119, it is done, we have Launcher integration and a hi-res icon
[15:58] <jono> the Launcher shows the number of new verified accomplishments
[15:58] <jono> I am not sure what other integration we will need
[15:58] <mhall119> cool
[15:58] <jono> probably quicklists
[15:58] <jono> but that will be a 0.2 feature
[15:58]  * mhall119 will work on a quicklist example for hello-unity
[15:58] <jono> that would be really handy
[15:59] <jono> hello-unity is what made Unity integration happen in Ubuntu Accomplishments :-)
[15:59] <mhall119> :)
[15:59] <jono> any other questions, folks?
[16:00] <dpm> no questions here
[16:00] <balloons> not I
[16:00] <dholbach> I'm good
[16:00] <jono> alrighty
[16:00] <jono> lets wrap it!
[16:00] <jono> thanks, folks!
[16:00] <jono> #endmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 24 16:00:50 2012 UTC.
[16:00] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-04-24-15.00.moin.txt
[16:00] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-04-24-15.00.html
[16:00]  * balloons still wonders how dpm keeps his hair looking so awesome
[16:00] <dholbach> ... and perfectly squeezed it into 1h :)
[16:01] <balloons> :-)
[16:01] <jono> Garnier Fructise
[16:01] <dpm> lol
[16:01] <jono> :-)
[16:01] <bkerensa> jono: Sorry I didnt even notice you guys were having a meeting :P
[16:01]  * dpm wonders how being in Ubuntu so long he doesn't have any gray hairs yet
[16:01] <jono> bkerensa, np
[16:01] <jono> dpm, heh
[16:01] <mhall119> dpm: they turn  either orange or purple, not grey
[16:01] <dholbach> dpm, or still hair left
[16:02] <snap-l> dpm: They just fall out
[16:02] <dpm> hahaha
[16:02] <mhall119> lol
[16:02] <bkerensa> Aubergine or Orange :D
[16:03] <balloons> yea, likely fall out
[16:04] <bodhi_zazen> cprofitt: pong
[16:05] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen: #ubuntu-docs
[16:05] <bodhi_zazen> Yes, forums are working on recruiting people to work on documentation, just tell us what is needed and we will try to accommodate
[16:21] <jcastro> technoviking: you get the ticket update? We'll know the forums/SSO thing tomorrow
[16:21] <jcastro> I hope it's "FIXED!"
[16:21] <jcastro> technoviking: FYI they tested all the other stuff, it all works
[16:21] <technoviking> no I didn't
[16:23] <bkerensa> jcastro: What are you doing this Sunday?
[16:24] <technoviking> coolness though
[16:25] <jcastro> bkerensa: not sure, beach?
[16:25] <technoviking> Thursday/Friday are good days for me to work on the forums if we can go live:)
[16:26] <bkerensa> jcastro: ahh ok :P I was going to say if you wanted to beam into PuppetLabs over projector you could talk about Juju for a bit... we have about 40 attendees RSVP'ed but hopefully 50+ by end of week
[16:26] <jcastro> we're sending someone
[16:26] <jcastro> We talked to them at openstack
[16:27] <jcastro> now that we have subordinates it's easy to integrate puppet and juju
[16:27] <bkerensa> lol :P these are Ubuntu Folk... we are just using the PuppetLabs space for our release party
[16:27] <bkerensa> :D
[16:27] <jcastro> oh you mean the party, heh
[16:27] <bkerensa> yes
[16:27] <jcastro> bkerensa: wanna teach an openweek session?
[16:28] <bkerensa> jcastro: not a chance
[16:28] <bkerensa> :D
[16:28] <bkerensa> not even for a mug and t-shirt
[16:28] <bkerensa> :)
[16:28] <jcastro> I have spoiled you
[16:28] <bkerensa> LOL
[16:28] <jcastro> hey so
[16:28] <bkerensa> jono spoils me better :)
[16:28] <bkerensa> jk
[16:28] <jcastro> imbrandon's working on the nginx charm, we should be able to just plop it in front of subway
[16:28] <jono> lol
[16:29] <bkerensa> jcastro: yeah? and you know lots of people love that charm
[16:29] <jcastro> the guy who wrote it is weird tho
[16:29] <bkerensa> jcastro: always
[16:29] <bkerensa> jcastro: http://twitter.com/#!/rossturk/status/194590200943476737
[16:30] <jcastro> nice! I just met that guy
[16:30] <bkerensa> jcastro: that guy rocks
[16:30]  * imbrandon perks up 
[16:31] <bkerensa> imbrandon: you using the instant hipster app on Cloudflare?
[16:31] <bkerensa> imbrandon: oh you want a Cloudflare shirt? or stickers?
[16:31] <bkerensa> :d
[16:31] <imbrandon> bkerensa: nah, we havent got it on cloud flare yet, just some nginx magic
[16:31] <imbrandon> :)
[16:31] <imbrandon> and hell yea
[16:32] <jcastro> should I cloudflare my static blog?
[16:32]  * bkerensa I think I still have like five shirts in a box somewhere but if not I can go to their office in SF during UDS and grab some
[16:32] <bkerensa> :D
[16:32] <imbrandon> bkerensa: you dident see my blogpost trying to bribe the cloudflare fellas for some swag :)
[16:32] <bkerensa> imbrandon: oh? I know their Community Manager :P
[16:33] <imbrandon> sweet, really, dude i'd love to see the place/meet them dudes
[16:33] <bkerensa> imbrandon: You will be at UDS right?
[16:33] <imbrandon> i'm a cloudflare junky :( ask jcastro
[16:33] <imbrandon> yup
[16:33]  * dpm calls it a day
[16:33] <dpm> see you all tomorrow!
[16:33] <bkerensa> imbrandon: well if you have a break maybe I can ask @eastdakota and Brandon (Their Comm Mgr) and setup a trip to their office in SF
[16:33] <jcastro> imbrandon: we need to make bkerensa be the third charm amigo
[16:33] <imbrandon> getting there saturday late,dont think in time to see jono tho
[16:33] <bkerensa> its over by the Giants ballpark
[16:34] <jcastro> I wonder if reposting the juju OSX client news on ubuntu's facebook will be useful, or just cause a flamewar?
[16:34] <jcastro> discuss.
[16:34] <imbrandon> bkerensa: dude, we just deployed again, and check this, this is ONE webhead of two only AND no cloudflare or anything extra
[16:34] <imbrandon> This rush generated 25,661 successful hits in 1.0 min and we transferred 1.98 GB of data in and out of your app. The average hit rate of 414/second translates to about 35,796,365 hits/day.
[16:35] <imbrandon> jcastro: usefull i think,imho there is alot of crossover
[16:35] <imbrandon> many use both, and are used to seeing it now, its not like windows :)
[16:35] <jcastro> yeah, screw the haters, I'll do it
[16:35] <imbrandon> bkerensa: that was from like 30 minutes ago via blitz.io
[16:36] <imbrandon> hitting the omg site with my new nginx configs
[16:36] <imbrandon> :)
[16:36] <bkerensa> heh
[16:36] <imbrandon> oh and the uber cool part, was on that m1.small single webhead that did that, its load was 0.2
[16:36] <bkerensa> jcastro:  do it
[16:36] <imbrandon> :)
[16:37] <dholbach> alright, I call it a day - see you tomorrow *hugs*
[16:37] <imbrandon> later dholbach
[16:37] <imbrandon> ohhhhh dholbach
[16:37] <imbrandon> can i snag you for a half sec ?
[16:37] <imbrandon> :(
[16:37] <dholbach> sure
[16:38] <imbrandon> k, one momento
[16:38] <bkerensa> jcastro: you should make a Juju Coderwall Team :D
[16:39] <jussi> jcastro: I recruited one session for you :)
[16:39] <jcastro> jussi: you are awesome
[16:39] <jcastro> oh hey imbrandon/marcoceppi
[16:39] <jcastro> idea:
[16:39]  * marcoceppi listens
[16:39] <jcastro> "scaling webservices with juju, the omg!ubuntu story" as a session next week?
[16:39] <imbrandon> gah
[16:40] <jcastro> whew
[16:40] <imbrandon> dholbach:sorry
[16:40] <imbrandon> 11:39:03 < imbrandon> dhobach hey i've been meaning to catch you, my core dev is up in a few days or so says the email i got, but i havent got a change to email you
[16:40] <jcastro> google drive is out today!
[16:40] <imbrandon> 11:39:18 < imbrandon> what do i need to do to renew, there is not button like normal renews
[16:40] <imbrandon> 11:39:24 < imbrandon> no*
[16:40] <jcastro> thank you google for not ruining my thursday!
[16:40] <marcoceppi> jcastro: sounds good
[16:40] <dholbach> imbrandon, there should be
[16:40] <imbrandon> ok i'll look harder then, i'm pretty newb with the LP ui
[16:40] <jcastro> marcoceppi/imbrandon: Pick a slot yo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[16:40] <dholbach> imbrandon, something like https://launchpad.net/~imbrandon/+expiringmembership/ubuntu-core-dev
[16:40] <dholbach> imbrandon, there should be something in the email you got
[16:41] <imbrandon> kk
[16:41] <jcastro> marcoceppi: also I mailed stefano about taking over his lens launchpad stuff so we can fix it for 12.04
[16:41] <dholbach> imbrandon, if not, ping somebody from the developer-membership-board (laney, geser, tumbleweed, micahg, etc.) to sort it out for you
[16:41]  * imbrandon looks again real fast
[16:41] <dholbach> :-)
[16:41] <imbrandon> ahh great ty ty
[16:41] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I'm available 1500 UTC on the 2nd
[16:41] <dholbach> now I'll need to rush out and take the dog for a walk before it starts raining
[16:41] <dholbach> imbrandon, rock on! :)
[16:41] <marcoceppi> imbrandon: you?
[16:41] <imbrandon> and rest well, not long till you got to get on our schedule :)
[16:42] <imbrandon> ummm/me reads backscroll
[16:42] <dholbach> see you :)
[16:42] <imbrandon> marcoceppi: thats cool with me
[16:43] <marcoceppi> jcastro: we'll take the 1500 UTC
[16:43] <jcastro> done!
[16:43] <imbrandon> marcoceppi: we gonna co-do it ? i havent done a openweek session in a year or more
[16:43] <imbrandon> kk
[16:43] <marcoceppi> imbrandon: sure we can co-do it, we'll plan something out later tonight/tomorrow in the omg room
[16:44] <imbrandon> hahahah OMG today couldent get better, this girl friend of mine just called from microcenter and asked did i need anything
[16:44] <imbrandon> wow
[16:44] <jcastro> good things happen when you deploy on time
[16:44] <imbrandon> marcoceppi: sound sweet
[16:44] <marcoceppi> jcastro: on time, 40 days later :)
[16:45] <imbrandon> marcoceppi: yea i'm much better at the planning and then fielding q's to someoen, as its easy to see i'm not the best typer :)
[16:45] <marcoceppi> :D
[16:46] <imbrandon> i think the last one i did actually was on kde packaging , i think, it was some kinda packagin
[16:47] <imbrandon> marcoceppi / jcastro : btw we should have a diff room we use for our "kings room" esp now with it becoming a set of charms vs omg
[16:47] <imbrandon> :)
[16:48] <marcoceppi> imbrandon: we can probably just use the #juju room
[16:48] <jcastro> at UDS I am debating #juju and #juju-charmers
[16:48] <imbrandon> hell yea, and i somehow got her to not only pickup the ssd, AND stop by the apple store, but "jokingly" agree to dinner tonight at melting pot, i should go buy a lottery ticket
[16:48] <jcastro> one of them will be the cool kids. :)
[16:48] <jcastro> too small to split though
[16:49] <imbrandon> heh
[16:49] <imbrandon> the only thing i hate about #juju is it seems there is hotspots
[16:49] <imbrandon> with like 2 or 3 groups of convos going
[16:49] <imbrandon> cross talk, then there is none
[16:50] <imbrandon> rince rep
[16:51] <bkerensa> imbrandon: Melting Pot.... Mmm
[16:51] <bkerensa> imbrandon: they have one her in Portland and one in SF too
[16:51] <bkerensa> the one in SF is hidden out in the Marina District though
[16:51] <imbrandon> so i say if we really REALLY want to test the charm out, after uds we have jono let us deploy LRL website via juju on the cloud and then him and sturart and gang anoujnce a full reunion :) hahahaha
[16:51] <imbrandon> jcastro: ^
[16:52] <jono> imbrandon, lol
[16:52] <imbrandon> heheh hey man i gotta try, i miss LRL
[16:52] <imbrandon> :)
[16:52] <bkerensa> imbrandon: Jono should deploy his blog and severed fifth's site with juju
[16:53] <imbrandon> bkerensa: yea melting pot rocks
[16:53] <imbrandon> if there is one in your area, its the perfect place for a date night
[16:53] <jcastro> yeah we need to fix up the official charm now to be omgbrandonish
[16:53] <imbrandon> or just dinner, i love going there, i go about 1 a month or so
[16:53] <bkerensa> imbrandon: I tried to take my fiancee there on her birthday but she refused even after I got reservations
[16:53] <bkerensa> :P
[16:54] <bkerensa> she said it was too spendy but I do like the pot
[16:54] <imbrandon> what!?!
[16:54] <imbrandon> u need a new gf
[16:54] <imbrandon> :)
[16:54] <imbrandon> lol j/k
[16:54] <imbrandon> its really not that bad tho, it seems expensive but i normaly spend about 75ish + wine
[16:54] <imbrandon> and for a date night thats not bad
[16:55] <imbrandon> not sure if the prices are the same out there but yea, its arround 75ish for two + drinks
[16:55] <cprofitt> 75ish + wine
[16:55] <cprofitt> dude... I am a $12 kinda guy :-)
[16:56]  * marcoceppi cooks dinner at home, spends $75 on drinks
[16:56] <cprofitt> +1 marcoceppi
[16:56] <imbrandon> right, its not a once a week thing, i'm a dbl cheese burger $1 menu dude too
[16:56] <cprofitt> though I do not drink anymore
[16:56] <imbrandon> but we;re talking hot chick date night :)
[16:56] <cprofitt> imbrandon: I have three kids so spending money on dinner is a non-starter for me with the exception of once a year
[16:57] <cprofitt> and that only works when we get a baby sitter
[16:57] <imbrandon> heh my oldest turns 16 this november
[16:57] <imbrandon> but the babysitter i got covered, "goto your moms house for the night " :)
[16:58] <cprofitt> I still take 'mom' out to dinner... so she can't be the sitter :-)
[16:58] <imbrandon> :)
[16:58] <cprofitt> 23 years, 3 months and 6 days so far... and still happy
[16:58] <imbrandon> sweet, that rocks man
[16:59] <imbrandon> yea i'm not bitter with my ex, we still get along, sometimes too well actually for our own good
[16:59] <cprofitt> yeah... few of us make good choices when we are young... but apparently I managed to make at least one
[16:59] <imbrandon> and talk to her regularly etc, we just cant live togather or stay married :) i think if we could stay married but live in sep houses it would work out perfect
[17:00] <imbrandon> but alas ... heh
[17:00] <cprofitt> one of my best friends is the same...
[17:00] <cprofitt> he and his ex-wife are best friends... but they can only deal with each other for about 3 hours a day
[17:00] <cprofitt> and not in the same house
[17:00] <daker> hey mhall119 should i email mariana ?
[17:01] <imbrandon> its the kinda relationship where we truly get along great, and if we spend too much time in the same room we're both not in any shape to be seen in public untill some cloths get put back on, but if we're under the same house for more than 48 hours hell breaks out, but if we go home to our sep places we can spend 18 hours a day 7 days a week togather, its strange
[17:02] <imbrandon> but we know how it is and try to avoid it, but the my daughter just loves it
[17:02] <imbrandon> once or twice a year she wakes up to find daddy slept over "again" ... >.>
[17:02] <imbrandon> so yea, no no there
[17:04] <imbrandon> cprofitt: oh and its been like that for ohhhhh nearly 16 years now, but was only married for 4 of that, and i'm only 34
[17:04] <imbrandon> heh
[17:05] <cprofitt> You got married a bit earlier than I did then
[17:05] <cprofitt> I got married at 22
[17:06] <imbrandon> but yea, i got a buddy i went to HS with i still hang with quite a bit, we've even worked at alot of the same places and we do the same type work, he has only ever been with the same girl since freshman year in HS , and they are happy as can be and perfect for each other, i mean dont get me wrong i'm sure they have their moment but we all do
[17:06] <bkerensa> cprofitt: WOW.... I got married at 25 and it lasted a year... Big mistake :P
[17:06] <imbrandon> well i had a kid a bit earlier, we dident get married untill she was old enough to be a flower girl
[17:06] <imbrandon> shhhh
[17:06] <bkerensa> lol
[17:08] <imbrandon> bkerensa: i learned a long time ago, dont blame marriage, everyone goofs, what dont kill ya makes ya know better for the next time :)
[17:08] <jcastro> pleia2: I am travellling on the Tuesday that OpenWeek happens
[17:08] <jcastro> pleia2: Mark's session is at 2100 UTC (it's just him the one day)
[17:09] <jcastro> so we need a person to field questions for him
[17:09] <jcastro> any volunteers?
[17:09] <jcastro> You get to be Mark's emcee
[17:09] <imbrandon> not only do peple got to be compatable but they both got to be in the right spot in their respective lives too prior , thats what makes it hard, and even perfect relationshios take a ton of work, as i'm sure any married man or woman in here can atest to
[17:09] <bkerensa> imbrandon: I think it was chalked up as me spending too much time away from home hacking on php :P
[17:09] <jcastro> Gold. Power. Rolexes. Fancy Cars.
[17:09] <jcastro> You get none of these things
[17:10] <jussi> jcastro: I can if no one else has time (so pencil me in)
[17:10] <jcastro> cooh
[17:10] <imbrandon> bkerensa: hahah i've always been blamed for spending tooo much time AT home hacking on php
[17:10] <imbrandon> lol
[17:10] <jussi> jcastro: please ping me before you leave on your travels, just to double check my calendar is working
[17:10]  * jcastro nods
[17:10] <pleia2> jussi: we don't tend to use classbot for Mark's sessions because it's a bit of a zoo, so you'll just paste in the questions, and you'll want to join #ubuntu-classroom-backstage :)
[17:11] <jcastro> I will likely have wifi on the plane, but you never know
[17:11] <jussi> pleia2: ok, good to know
[17:11] <pleia2> we'll make sure you're added as a helper so you have +v ;)
[17:12] <jussi> thanks
[17:12] <pleia2> jcastro: is there a special opening session?
[17:12] <jcastro> pleia2: do we need one? I don't remember if we do those still or not, heh
[17:12] <pleia2> 13:00 is 6AM here, I could do that once but 3 days in a row is a bit meh :) so I need to round up some volunteers
[17:13] <pleia2> just wanting to know how much babysitting the first instructor will need
[17:13] <pleia2> if it's dholbach, he's got it, if it's a brand new person, we'll want someone around
[17:13] <jcastro> we could just make sure the first instructors have done it before
[17:13] <nigelb> o/
[17:13] <nigelb> I'll be around.
[17:13] <pleia2> nigelb: all three days? :)
[17:13] <jcastro> to do a session? EXCELLENT. Which one?
[17:13] <nigelb> Noooooo.
[17:13] <pleia2> I can pick up at 16:00
[17:14] <nigelb> 6AM for pleia2 is about 6PM for me. SHould be fine.
[17:14] <bkerensa> imbrandon: http://amziki.wikia.com/wiki/Netwars <-- I had hopes of reviving a game I developed when I was 16 but there interest in the end was not there and the cost of maintaining servers was too high
[17:15] <pleia2> jcastro: I can do an Ubuntu Women session on friday
[17:15] <bkerensa> imbrandon: when I created Netwars we were able to handle 14,000 concurrent users on two Cobalt RAQ3 servers on a horrible UUnet pipe
[17:15] <jcastro> pleia2: slick! what time?
[17:15] <pleia2> 1600 is best
[17:16] <imbrandon> ahh pleia2 sneeked into the convo while i was afk,  o/ waves
[17:16] <nigelb> So, it's 6:30 pm to 9:30 pm. I can be helper until 1730 or so.
[17:16] <imbrandon> bkerensa: nice
[17:16] <nigelb> 1730 UTC
[17:16] <pleia2> hey imbrandon :)
[17:16] <pleia2> nigelb: great, thank you
[17:17] <jcastro> balloons: 4 slots left, need some HOT QA please.
[17:17] <imbrandon> bkerensa: yea in my little bit younger days i did a similar quest with Ultima Online , we created a server emulator for it ( UOX3 and RunUO )
[17:17] <balloons> jcastro, there's no way to read you comment cleanly
[17:17] <bkerensa> imbrandon: oh :)
[17:17] <jcastro> bkerensa: I know, heh
[17:17] <imbrandon> with a similar fate but RunUO still lives on today in some capacity
[17:18] <jcastro> you know what I love about the end of the week
[17:18] <jcastro> errr, end of the cycle
[17:18] <jcastro> it's like, Friday, but project-wide
[17:18] <mhall119> daker: yeah, let marianna know you can't come
[17:18] <pleia2> also, the beer
[17:18] <bkerensa> imbrandon: yeah everyone who helped code or had access to the source ended up ganking my ticker though and it diluted the tick based game space
[17:18] <bkerensa> :D
[17:18]  * bkerensa was not all so much about open sourcing his code back then
[17:18] <jcastro> mhall119: wait, what, can't come to what?
[17:19] <mhall119> jcastro: daker's visa wasn't approved
[17:19] <jcastro> WHAT.
[17:19] <jcastro> NO.
[17:19] <mhall119> yeah :(
[17:19] <bkerensa> jcastro: You need this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_Qube
[17:19] <jcastro> ;_;
[17:19] <bkerensa> its mighty powerful ^
[17:19] <nigelb> So familiar a feeling.
[17:19] <imbrandon> bkerensa: heh thats what made us so big in the say was UOX3 was GPL, there was only 10 or so of us coders on it and we were getting close to the performance and feature set of the official shards run by Origin Systems / EA Games
[17:20] <nigelb> :(
[17:20] <cprofitt> wonder if such visa issues would happen if UDS was in Toronto
[17:20] <imbrandon> that were huge Sun boxes in 1998or so
[17:20] <cprofitt> not that the weather there is all that nice
[17:20] <bkerensa> imbrandon: yeah... I had to sysadmin just to cover our bandwidth and server costs
[17:20] <imbrandon> and we were on isdn and cable with workstatinos
[17:20] <bkerensa> imbrandon: and once the code got out then donations stopped rolling in because people started spawning clones :D
[17:20] <jussi> cprofitt: you are aware you can give the girls suggestions for UDS places
[17:21] <jussi> especially if you know a great venue
[17:21] <daker> jcastro, :/
[17:21] <cprofitt> jussi: no... I did not know that
[17:21] <nigelb> Vids issues won't happen for europe either.
[17:21] <balloons> Montreal
[17:21] <nigelb> *visa
[17:21] <nigelb> But we skipped europe this time.
[17:21] <bkerensa> imbrandon: LOL I remember having 300 people on a UnrealIRCD hosted on a cable connection in Australia!
[17:21] <balloons> aussieland!
[17:22]  * imbrandon votes for a UDS in Kansas City, right smack in the Middle of the US, its always on the coast
[17:22] <imbrandon> lol bkerensa
[17:23] <nigelb> I vote for asia.
[17:23] <nigelb> Mozilla had a great event in Kuala Lumpur.
[17:23] <bkerensa> imbrandon: I concur... Our servers were actually in the Historic Icehouse in Downtown KC
[17:23] <bkerensa> :D
[17:23]  * jussi votes for a finland uds
[17:23] <imbrandon> we saved ALMOST all the commit history too, from about midway though using CVS till now ( e.g. about 12 or so years of commits ) at http://github.com/bholtsclaw in my UOX3 repo
[17:23] <nigelb> jussi: I just shivered a bit.
[17:23] <nigelb> :P
[17:23] <jussi> lol
[17:23] <imbrandon> bkerensa: nice, been there many times
[17:24] <jussi> nigelb: the May one would be nice
[17:24] <jussi> not too dark :P
[17:24] <imbrandon> bkerensa: its the power and light now, but the oak tower blging is still there with all kinda good fiber
[17:24] <nigelb> heh
[17:24] <jussi> especially here up north...
[17:24] <jussi> (light currently until 10pm)
[17:25] <bkerensa> imbrandon: I have never been to the icehouse but I have been to KC.... We used to just KVMoverIP in
[17:25] <bkerensa> :D
[17:25] <imbrandon> bkerensa: and the google consumer fiber is finaly going live next month, wooot, 80MBit syncronous with 16 static ips to the house, oh and subsidised by the city so its only 65$ a month
[17:26] <bkerensa> imbrandon: are you from KC?
[17:26] <imbrandon> bkerensa: ahh was born and grew up here, yup, moved many places over the years
[17:26] <imbrandon> but always come back
[17:26] <bkerensa> imbrandon: so you have heard of Frankie Abernathy? :)
[17:26] <imbrandon> and i'm here now for the last 5ish
[17:26] <imbrandon> yea, seems familiar
[17:27] <bkerensa> imbrandon: I developed and hosted her website after MTV kicked her off Real World :P
[17:27] <imbrandon> nice
[17:27] <imbrandon> oh yea the redhead
[17:27] <bkerensa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Abernathy
[17:27] <bkerensa> yeah
[17:28] <bkerensa> imbrandon: UDS at Ameristar :P
[17:28] <imbrandon> ahh yea, i've been doing web stuff way too long to even think about some of the projects, i normally just think of the last one or 3
[17:28] <imbrandon> :)
[17:28] <cjohnston> jcastro: does SaaS stand for Summit as a Service?
[17:28] <jcastro> no
[17:28] <jcastro> software as a service though
[17:28] <bkerensa> :s
[17:29] <jcastro> which is what summit is doing right now
[17:29] <imbrandon> bkerensa: nah, kemper downtown at the hyiat or our near arrowhead stadioum in the cheifs clubhouses
[17:29] <bkerensa> imbrandon: the one thing I dont like about KC is they have that highway you have to pay toll on to drive on
[17:29] <imbrandon> SaaS, IaaS, MaaS, PaaS, we now need a imbrandonAAS
[17:29] <imbrandon> :)
[17:30] <bkerensa> IBMAAS
[17:30] <imbrandon> bkerensa: bah you can skip that, but thats way out on the outskirts of town, headed to topeka
[17:30] <popey> GaaS
[17:30] <imbrandon> LOL
[17:30] <popey> Geek as a Service
[17:30] <imbrandon> perfect
[17:30] <popey> maybe not :D
[17:30] <pleia2> hahaha
[17:30] <jussi> hahah
[17:32] <bkerensa> imbrandon: you can skip it? Hmm it was the fastest way to get back to the West Coast (Liberal Land)
[17:33] <bkerensa> The first time I saw Amish was in Kansas
[17:33] <imbrandon> i did always like the sound of PaaS verus SaaS though, and they are essentialy the same depending on whom you ask, like Zend and their phpcloud.com is Platform as a Service, where as anyone else that does a managed scaeable PHP product like AWS beanstalk now does with PHP or pantheon etc , its all Software as a Service
[17:33] <imbrandon> bkerensa: drive to KCI airport
[17:33] <imbrandon> lol
[17:34] <bkerensa> imbrandon: I dont like to fly much
[17:34] <bkerensa> :d
[17:34]  * bkerensa elected train over plane to UDS
[17:34] <imbrandon> bkerensa: no aeriously tho when i drive to the coast from here i go north a lil bit to omaha and cactch 80 hwhy
[17:34] <imbrandon> over to reno nv
[17:34] <imbrandon> then down to taho and sac
[17:34] <bkerensa> imbrandon: why would you ever go to Reno lol :D
[17:34] <bkerensa> ahh
[17:35]  * imbrandon lived in reano for 3 years :)
[17:35] <imbrandon> reno*
[17:35]  * bkerensa facepalms
[17:35] <imbrandon> lol
[17:36] <imbrandon> my other exwife ( yea two, dont ask ) is full blood indian, Piaute tribe, from Pyrmid lake, near reno
[17:36] <bkerensa> imbrandon: I guess it does at least have Circus Circus
[17:36] <imbrandon> so we moved near her family
[17:36] <imbrandon> after we got married and she talked me into it
[17:36] <bkerensa> imbrandon: oh? my family owns property in Bridgeport which has a Piaute res just down the road
[17:37] <imbrandon> yup, they are all over out ther, but still a small tribe, like 3k living members i think
[17:37] <JanC> the first time I saw Amish was on photographs my dad made in PA when he had to go to the HQ of the company he worked for...  ;)
[17:37] <imbrandon> dude Amish rock, i met a ton of them when i lived in Nashville, they were always comming into town to sell/buy stuff
[17:37] <bkerensa> JanC: Oh? :D I didn't know it but Amish can ride Greyhound and stuff if they have to travel long distance...
[17:38] <imbrandon> really weird, they look all old school but will alk tech like anyone
[17:38] <bkerensa> oh and I saw some Amish drinking Pepsi in Kansas
[17:38] <imbrandon> bkerensa: prob just a farmer, not many if any amish in KS
[17:38] <imbrandon> :)
[17:39] <JanC> in Pennsylvania they are "at home", of course
[17:39] <imbrandon> bkerensa: yea the amish down there would pay drivers to take them arround, so they would get a van and like 5 of them would ride, so they wont own a vehicle or drive one, but will ride and pay someone to choufour them
[17:40] <balloons> bkerensa, depending on the sect of amish, some adopt many modern practices, like driving cars
[17:40] <imbrandon> and goto like gun auctions and farm equip auctions
[17:40] <JanC> mostly using horse carriages, and the phone in a separate shack in the front garden  ;)
[17:40] <imbrandon> and buy like a half mil dollar tractor at auction ,  with CASH
[17:40] <balloons> yes.. the no electric or water to the house..
[17:41] <balloons> but they have a phone line installed in a shack
[17:41] <imbrandon> yup, some even have cell phones now, but its left in the phone shack at the end of the driveway
[17:41] <imbrandon> and used there only
[17:41] <balloons> but again.. not all are that way :-)
[17:41] <bkerensa> I always wondered how Amish avoid birth defects with such "close knit families" and limit spouse options?
[17:42] <bkerensa> limited*
[17:42] <imbrandon> kinda nuts, yea but even the ones that are are actually really cool people, they just were born into and beleive a diffrent way of life even under our nose
[17:42] <JanC> they aren't *that* limited, at least in PA (and maybe some other states around that?)
[17:42] <imbrandon> bkerensa: its not the movies, they marrie outside, limited but they do
[17:43] <cjohnston> jcastro: I like mine better ;-)
[17:43] <bkerensa> JanC: I mean limited as in making sure they are not uhh marrying someone on the same bloodline?
[17:43] <imbrandon> JanC: yea there are a ton in KY and TN near nashville area
[17:43] <JanC> and there are several related christian "sects" in the area around them
[17:44] <imbrandon> bkerensa: youd be suprised on how much of that is actually just generations of being taboo too, look at the royals they are far more inbred and still avoid the problems
[17:44] <bkerensa> imbrandon: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1421049/posts
[17:44] <imbrandon> its higher chances but not THAT much higher unless you get like nuts where you married your daughter for 3 generatinos
[17:44] <JanC> imbrandon: if you mean European nobility, thay actually had lots of trouble with that in the past  ;)
[17:45] <imbrandon> i mean dont get me wrong, its wrong in my views, but stricly talking genetics its not that bad, man was programed to survive
[17:46] <bkerensa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish#Health <-- ahh
[17:46] <imbrandon> JanC: sure, thats what i mean as the example that they are far worse off and still not off the deep end
[17:47] <imbrandon> bkerensa: just glancing at that it can be said for alot of ethnic groups though
[17:47] <bkerensa> imbrandon: no doubt there
[17:47] <imbrandon> like african americans have a tough time with sicklecell ( sp? )
[17:47] <imbrandon> etc
[17:47] <JanC> part of European nobility had serious trouble with haemophilia
[17:47] <bkerensa> imbrandon: African Americans have some issues with sickle-cell
[17:48] <bkerensa> diffent things for different folk :)
[17:48] <JanC> and there were those that had differences in their set of teeth
[17:48] <imbrandon> bkerensa: yea, alot do, its very common apparently
[17:48] <bkerensa> Genetics is a very interesting science
[17:48] <JanC> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haemophilia#European_royalty
[17:49] <imbrandon> but yea it was only another example of its not nessesaily the inbreeding if at all, a closed ethnic group of any kinda are gonna share many more traits than they arent
[17:49] <imbrandon> good or bad
[17:50] <imbrandon> no to say it isnt any part of it though, but i doubt the highest factor they worry about
[17:51] <czajkowski> am pretty sure if this topic were in other ubuntu channels it would be frowned upon as we tend to stay clear of religion/beliefs in those channels
[17:51] <JanC> and the lists on Wikipedia are actually very incomplete about the haemophilia problem...
[17:51] <jussi> czajkowski: not really, as long as people stay sane about it
[17:51] <bkerensa> jcastro: Pasta De Mango is tasty
[17:51] <bkerensa> :D
[17:51] <czajkowski> hmm I wouldnt have thought it ok tbh. *shrugs*
[17:52] <czajkowski> bbia later so
[17:52] <bkerensa> jcastro: my cousin brought me back a stockpile of candy from puerto rico
[17:52] <jussi> !o4o
[17:52] <ubot2> Some topics are controversial and often end in negativity. Take care on subjects like war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, potentially illegal activities and suicide. The topics are not banned; stating your position is ok, but trolling, baiting, hostility or repetition are not. If you are asked to stop, do so politely. Disputes to !appeals, please adhere to !freenode Policy and the !CodeOfConduct
[17:52] <imbrandon> and like i said ive met a ton of them, they really are normal folk, they dont wannna marry their 1st cousin etc etc normally, they are just of a diffrent mindset when it comes to personal use of electronices and machinery that isnt stictly a tool and for the good of many most of the time like a community st of tractors or the saws in a saw mill in the village
[17:52] <imbrandon> czajkowski: sorry, dident think we were getting into religon really, but i agree we're way off topic, /me applogies
[17:53] <JanC> hm, probably not really very on-topic here
[17:53] <bkerensa> yeah
[17:53] <bkerensa> my bad for bringing up the Amish :p
[17:53] <czajkowski> I just think if a new person came here it's not really what we're about and they could be offended
[17:53] <czajkowski> sorry folks don't like to be a drag either
[17:54] <imbrandon> ahh no biggie
[17:54] <imbrandon> we were getting a bit stray
[17:54] <imbrandon> i just dident want to offend anyone :) wasent my intention with any :)
[17:54] <czajkowski> imbrandon: I knows :)
[17:54] <czajkowski> so somethign more Ubuntu like
[17:54] <czajkowski> are folks going to or runnign a release party
[17:55] <czajkowski> if so what events do ye do ?
[17:55] <czajkowski> and have you got ten a pangolin ?
[17:55] <imbrandon> not this release, first time in a long time
[17:55] <imbrandon> but someone in my area did pickup the torch
[17:55] <czajkowski> imbrandon: where are you based?
[17:55] <imbrandon> Kansas City
[17:55] <imbrandon> right smack in the Center of the US
[17:55] <imbrandon> :_
[17:55] <imbrandon> heh
[17:56] <czajkowski> ah I've a mate from there long gone now but lives in .IE
[17:56] <czajkowski> well he was born in .ie raised in Kansas and came back to >IE
[17:57] <czajkowski> in .Ie we used to have quiz
[17:57] <imbrandon> ahh
[17:57] <czajkowski> and we bought a plush toy for the release name and would raffle it
[17:58] <imbrandon> Ie ?
[17:58] <czajkowski> very low key we'd get anywhere from 6 people to 26 people
[17:58] <czajkowski> it varies a lot
[17:58] <czajkowski> imbrandon: Ireland
[17:58] <imbrandon> heh yea i seen on you pic that goes with the blogs posts now and then you have a or had a koala i think
[17:58] <imbrandon> plush
[17:58] <czajkowski> yup thats my lp picture :)
[17:58] <imbrandon> czajkowski: ahhh , i should have known that ( Ie )
[17:58] <czajkowski> the koala was easy to get
[17:59] <czajkowski> the pangolin has been harder :)
[17:59] <imbrandon> czajkowski: ahhh i new i rembered and associated it with your name , just couldent rember where )
[17:59] <imbrandon> heh
[18:00] <imbrandon> i always wanted a plush badger , since thats when i became a ubu member and ubu dev
[18:00] <imbrandon> never picked on up tho
[18:00] <czajkowski> it's the unirish name ::)
[18:01] <imbrandon> now just a collection of penguins of all shapes and sizes
[18:01] <czajkowski> yeah my bf collects them
[18:01] <czajkowski> some are very cute, others are less so
[18:01] <imbrandon> yea i had a few, then my kiddo go old enough to start "helping" me and my collection has grown over the last 3 or 4 years
[18:01] <imbrandon> quite a lot
[18:02] <imbrandon> normaly i'd, just see one here or there like a little glass one i liked
[18:02] <imbrandon> and get it but not go looking for them
[18:02] <imbrandon> i let her do the hunting , she has more fun at it than me comming home and yelling all the way to my desk, dadddddyyyyy i got somehingnnnnnnngnng
[18:02] <imbrandon> lol
[18:04] <imbrandon> czajkowski: this is a year or two old, but you can see my growing collection of them back in the norner
[18:04] <imbrandon> corner
[18:04] <imbrandon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/imbrandon/3611467062/in/set-72157619497586600
[18:04] <imbrandon> :)
[18:06] <jcastro> ok quick lunch and then I'll announce open week
[18:06] <jcastro> i've almost got a U1 guy
[18:13] <czajkowski> imbrandon: nice
[20:23] <jcastro> mhall119: hey
[20:23] <jcastro> is there a way to query launchpad via the API to return a user's name if we give it an email address?
[20:25] <jcastro> or cjohnston ^
[20:26] <cjohnston> I would think so, but couldn't be positive
[20:27] <mhall119> jcastro: yes
[20:28] <jcastro> donde?
[20:28]  * marcoceppi wants
[20:29] <mhall119> jcastro: https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/1.0.html#people getByEmail
[20:29] <jcastro> boo, launchpad.net/api should work
[20:29] <jcastro> <3 ta
[20:40] <technoviking> us.archive is being slammed, it begins:)
[20:58] <jcastro> deb http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com.s3.amazonaws.com/ubuntu/ precise main restricted universe multiverse
[20:58] <jcastro> is the magic line
[20:59] <technoviking> nice
[21:01] <greg-g> they got a west coast one?
[21:01] <greg-g> jcastro: ^
[21:01] <greg-g> ;)
[21:01] <jcastro> yeah
[21:01] <jcastro> just put in west-1
[21:01] <jcastro> or west-2, which I think is oregon?
[21:02] <cjohnston> your making archives on the fly?
[21:02] <cjohnston> i assume another charm/
[21:02] <cjohnston> ?
[21:02] <jcastro> no this one isn't a charm
[21:03] <jcastro> this is a custom thing by Ben to serve the archive out of S3
[21:03] <cjohnston> what? no juju for jcastro
[21:03] <snap-l> I'm shocked
[21:03] <cjohnston> jcastro: is it that benificial?
[21:03] <jcastro> cjohnston: yes, it's huge
[21:03] <jcastro> it basically means you only pay for bandwidth
[21:04] <jcastro> not multiple servers running on ec2 getting smoked
[21:04] <cjohnston> you meaning Canonical right?
[21:04] <jcastro> right
[21:05] <jcastro> so instead of mirror servers + bandwidth you only pay for bandwidth
[21:05] <jcastro> sort of like how I do it on my blog, except with the ubuntu archive
[21:05] <greg-g> huh, it doesn't respond to pings/
[21:05] <cjohnston> I use Cloud files for my blog
[21:05] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/s3aptmirror
[21:05] <jcastro> right, same thing, but xbox scale
[21:06] <jcastro> and in every region
[21:06] <jcastro> also ... amazon agressively CDNs files when they are popular
[21:06] <cjohnston> cool
[21:06] <jcastro> so theoretically, the mirrors should get faster on release day
[21:06] <cjohnston> If I can ever get my stupid little box to run i am gonna setup a mirror at home just cause it has a few tb of space
[21:07] <jcastro> I don't think IS is flipping us.archive and crew over though. :-/
[21:07] <greg-g> jcastro: why not?
[21:07] <jcastro> greg-g: from what I can tell releasing on this scale is so massively complex that even getting an answer to that is hard.
[21:08] <snap-l> eh?
[21:08] <cjohnston> exactaly
[21:09] <greg-g> but I thought "amazon has it figured out" is the answer, right jorge?
[21:09] <jcastro> greg-g: you convince normal IS people that. :)
[21:09] <jcastro> anyway, all the AWS instances default to using those
[21:10] <jcastro> but for you and me, putting in the deb line works fine
[21:10] <snap-l> Why not use both?
[21:10] <jcastro> not sure
[21:10] <jcastro> I think that might be the plan
[21:10] <cjohnston> I just use anl
[21:10] <snap-l> there may be existing mirror agreements in place
[21:10] <jcastro> but I don't think your local  mirror is going away just yet, etc.
[21:11] <greg-g> cjohnston: ditto
[21:11] <snap-l> there's a certain prestige to hosting something like a distro
[21:11] <snap-l> or another major OSS project
[21:11] <jcastro> ubuntu.secs.oakland.edu. :)
[21:11] <cjohnston> greg-g: anl quite rocks.. its almost always 100% up to date, and its huge fast
[21:11] <snap-l> Jorge Special. ;)
[21:11] <greg-g> indeed
[21:12] <snap-l> jcastro: I'm surprised it isn't jcastro.secs.o.e
[21:13] <snap-l> So, if I run zsync, will I have the latest and greatest 12.04 to date?
[21:13] <jcastro> yeah
[21:13] <snap-l> or is there still another round coming?
[21:13] <jcastro> or just run testdrive, check the box, and hit sync
[21:13] <jcastro> oh, not sure, balloons?
[21:14] <snap-l> rephrased: is this the final release?
[21:15] <JanC> snap-l: you can't be sure about that until the final release gets released
[21:16] <greg-g> snap-l: that was so close to "is it released yet?" it isn't even funny ;)
[21:17] <JanC> I remember a respin-and-re-test cycle starting less than 24h before the actual release on one occasion, to fix a critical bug...
[21:17] <snap-l> JanC: OK, just checking
[21:17] <snap-l> greg-g: Shush. there's method to my madness. :)
[21:17] <greg-g> :P
[21:30] <balloons> jcastro, sorry..
[21:30] <balloons> yes zsync will do it
[21:30] <balloons> and testdrive, hitting sync uses zsync
[21:30] <balloons> and it will also work
[21:30] <bodhi_zazen> Is there an upgrade path from the live , desktop 12.04 cd ?
[21:31] <bodhi_zazen> It is not listed here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades
[21:32] <balloons> i have never tried to upgrade from the cd
[21:32] <balloons> what i would do is boot into my current os, then add the cd as an apt repo
[21:32] <balloons> then upgrade
[21:32] <balloons> that would work
[21:32] <balloons> i don't believe booting into the livecd and upgrading is supported.. I could be wrong
[21:33] <balloons> certainly chrooting in and doing some fun stuff, you could do an upgrade that way
[21:35] <bodhi_zazen> The proceedure for using the alternate CD is on the page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades, seems there is an upgrade script, I've not tried it.
[21:37] <bodhi_zazen> I guess my (late) suggestion would be to include the option of doing a fresh install from the desktop CD and preserve home
[22:23] <balloons> bodhi_zazen, it's certainlyu possible
[22:24] <jono> balloons, we should plug a bunch of QA accomplishments into the Ubuntu Accomplishments system
[22:24] <jono> things such as doing your first ISO test etc
[22:25] <balloons> jono, yea we talked about that awhile back.. I agree
[22:25] <balloons> I don't think we put it on the plans for 12.10 tho
[22:25] <jono> no
[22:25] <balloons> we certainly could :-)
[22:25] <jono> that would be cool :-)
[22:25] <jono> all it would involve is a Python script
[22:26] <balloons> it's more the coming up with the what to measure
[22:27] <jono> rightg
[22:27] <jono> lets do some brainstorming next week
[22:42] <balloons> k
[23:05] <jono> balloons, jcastro, mhall119 fancy grabbing dinner next week too?
[23:05] <jono> was thinking we could do a mini team dinner on Wed maybe?
[23:05] <balloons> yum -- got a good thai place?
[23:15] <jono> balloons, indeed
[23:15] <jono> awesome Thai place in Rockridge, we can hit that up
[23:15] <jono> mhall119, jcastro you guys do Thai?
[23:15] <balloons> since I spoke up first I got to pick.. :-)
[23:16] <jono> heh, wise
[23:16] <jono> I posted to FB asking if people are excited about 12.04
[23:16] <jono> over 500 likes in 3 minutes
[23:37] <mhall119> jono: I assume you mean food, in which case yes
[23:38] <jono> mhall119, lol
[23:38] <jono> mhall119, yep :-)
[23:39] <jono> jcastro loses, he is getting thai...outvoted!
[23:41] <mhall119> you know what's gonna be nice?  Not having to do currency translations at dinner
[23:42] <mhall119> I either way over-tipped or way under-tipped at Budapest, but I'm not really sure which