[00:21] <mhall119> RAOF: try ctrl+super+right
[00:21] <RAOF> Moves me around workspaces ;)
[00:22] <mhall119> I thought ctrl+alt+right moves workspaces
[00:22] <RAOF> Oh, no, quite true.
[02:24] <Ursinha> man, you are fast today triaging bugs :)
[03:26] <jcastro> Trevinho: heya
[03:26] <jcastro> Trevinho: that bamf fix works /awesome/ for me
[03:26] <jcastro> it even does it right on the multiple monitors
[04:30] <pitti> Good morning
[04:33] <RAOF> Hey pitti!
[05:15] <didrocks> good morning
[06:37] <ronoc> TheMuso, ping
[06:38] <TheMuso> ronoc: Hi.
[06:39] <ronoc> TheMuso, did you see my message on that orca bug with i-sound ?
[06:39] <ronoc> TheMuso, https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/902715
[06:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 902715 in indicator-sound "[Precise] Sound indicator have a silent menu item with are not accessible for screen reader" [Medium,In progress]
[06:39] <TheMuso> ronoc: I did, no idea atm, and I am not sure things would be any different if we tried manipulating the atk object ourselves...
[06:40] <TheMuso> I'll need to dig a bit deeper to see if I can work something out.
[06:40] <ronoc> TheMuso, should I SRU that fix in the branch now as it stands, it's better than what was there before.
[06:41] <ronoc> at least on focus orca broadcasts the volume
[06:41] <TheMuso> ronoc: Yeah I think so, and I'll see how it can be improved in time.
[06:41] <TheMuso> s/in/whenever I have/
[06:41] <ronoc> TheMuso, sounds good.
[06:42] <TheMuso> Cool, thanks.
[06:49] <Sweetshark> for anyone volunteering to review libreoffice packaging update: http://paste.ubuntu.com/943645/
[07:17] <pitti> back in ~ 2 hours
[07:50] <seb128> hey
[07:52] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va?
[07:52] <seb128> lu didrocks, ca va bien! et toi ?
[07:52] <didrocks> seb128: ça va bien :)
[07:58] <didrocks> bbiab
[08:10] <mpt> seb128, yes, something with 1500 reviews averaging 4.5 stars will get ranked higher than something with 5 reviews averaging 5 stars. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#top-rated
[08:10] <seb128> mpt, hey, thanks
[08:51] <Sweetshark> seb128: hi there!
[08:51] <Sweetshark> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/943645/ <- conveniently prepared for you
[08:52] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey, ok, will have a look in a bit and let you know if I understand it enough to have an useful comment and if I find anything weird looking ;-)
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, good thanks. how are you?
[09:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks
[09:01] <RAOF> Morning chrisccoulson!
[09:02] <chrisccoulson> hi RAOF
[09:02] <seb128> hey RAOF
[09:02] <RAOF> Hey seb128!
[09:02] <seb128> RAOF, how is life?
[09:02] <RAOF> Pretty good.
[09:03] <RAOF> Once someone accepts it into proposed, two finger scrolling should now reliably work in GTK3 apps on synaptics.
[09:03] <RAOF> Which has been annoying me for some time now :)
[09:04] <RAOF> Also, I'm back home, so my espresso machine is available again.  Mmmmm, freshly ground coffeeeeeeeeeeeee.
[09:07] <seb128> RAOF, have you been travelling?
[09:07] <RAOF> Yeah, I was in Perth the last two weeks.
[09:07] <RAOF> Which is why I was up ~2hrs later than normal :)
[09:07] <seb128> RAOF, don't get used to your coffee machine too much, soon you go to the U.S, you will get "nice" filter coffee :p
[09:07] <RAOF> Also, when did it become 7pm?!  Time to bail!
[09:07]  * RAOF shudders\
[09:09] <Sweetshark> seb128: thanks! (if you prefer a *.dsc, there is one on chinstrap too)
[09:12] <pitti> hey seb128
[09:13] <pitti> good morning chrisccoulson
[09:17] <seb128> pitti, hey, wie geht's?
[09:17] <seb128> RAOF, 'night
[09:17] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke! und dir?
[09:17] <seb128> pitti, zehr gut, danke ;-)
[09:20] <didrocks> it's not a german channel here! It's like if we would try speaking french ;)
[09:20] <ogra_> you would only try ? do you need practice ?
[09:21] <ogra_> :)
[09:21] <didrocks> ogra_: heh, sometimes yeah, when I realize that I'm fixing too much english in the french talks I give ;)
[09:22] <ogra_> heh
[09:56] <seb128> Sweetshark, that debdiff looks fine to me
[10:03] <mvo> seb128: looks like #986186 iz gtk bug afterall, I attached a testcase
[10:03] <seb128> bug #986186
[10:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 986186 in software-center "software center stop working when I select system software for a long time" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986186
[10:03] <seb128> mvo, thanks
[10:04] <mvo> seb128: set_model(): 0.1s in oneiric, 2s in precise to be precise ;)
[10:05] <seb128> mvo, did we break your fixed-height mode? or is that something else?
[10:05] <mvo> seb128: I think its something else
[10:05] <mvo> seb128: the testcase is without our hack
[10:06] <seb128> mvo, we need to start running such benchmarks or test on every gtk update next cycle
[10:06] <mvo> seb128: *cough*
[10:06] <seb128> so we know when stuff start being less good
[10:06] <mvo> seb128: what are the chances for this to get fixed upstream/looked at at all? should I start digging into the code myself after lunch?
[10:07] <seb128> mvo, quite low, upstream has tons to do and not enough people and everybody hates the treeview stuff
[10:07] <seb128> mvo, you can probably get Company to "help" by asking question #gtk+, he might be able to give you hints
[10:08] <seb128> mvo, it's probably him who "broke" it with the changes he did this cycle for a11y
[10:08] <mvo> seb128: ok, I will spend ~1h or so after lunch with looking into it and see what I can do
[10:09] <seb128> mvo, like I said yesterday, I noticed that for example they started to emit selection changed signals on row deletion, i.e rather than having the selection dropped as it was doing before when you delete the selected row now it does select another one
[10:09] <Streamstormer> join #gtk+
[10:09] <Streamstormer> sorry fc
[10:09] <seb128> Streamstormer, wrong IRC, irc.gnome.org
[10:09] <Streamstormer> ah ok thy
[10:09] <Streamstormer> *thx
[10:24] <pitti> seb128: odd retracer crash since yesterday (wrong number of args), I'll have a look
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i can't believe i've had my new phone for nearly a day now, and i still haven't switched it on!
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> oh. my. http://www.shortlist.com/home/pizza-hut-add-cheeseburgers-to-the-crust
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> where can i buy one of those????
[10:29] <pitti> chrisccoulson: oh erk, what the heck happened?
[10:29] <jalcine> lol
[10:29] <pitti> when I got my new phone I lost some two hours on it right after I got it :)
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> pitti - unfortunately, my phone was delivered on the same day as preparing the firefox 12 release stuff
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> so i was busy with that, and then the excitement wears off ;)
[10:31]  * pitti shakes head
[10:31] <pitti> ok, retracer should be happy again
[10:31] <jalcine> XD
[10:31] <seb128> pitti, danke
[10:31] <pitti> seb128: ^ FTR, apport/packaging_impl.py was grossly outdated
[10:31] <pitti> seb128: I replaced it with a symlink now
[10:31] <pitti> good morning chrisccoulson ln -s ../backends/packaging-apt-dpkg.py apport/packaging_impl.py
[10:31] <ogra_> pitti, did you call your provider to giv you the hours back at least ?
[10:31] <seb128> ok
[10:31] <pitti> so that it always is up to date
[10:32] <pitti> ogra_: well, in those two hours I did not do a single actual phone call :)
[10:32] <ogra_> :)
[10:32] <pitti> I mean, these things are certainly not for ... *gosh* PHONING?
[10:34] <ogra_> well, mumble works well on them though :)
[10:42] <Sweetshark> seb128: thanks alot!
[10:59] <Sweetshark> seb128, pitti: one of you volunteering to upload it to proposed then?
[10:59] <chrisccoulson> seriously, t-mobile, why did you send me a new phone whilst forgetting to send me a new microSIM to fit in it? :(
[11:00] <pitti> Sweetshark: I can do the usual sponsor dance, seb128 already reviewed the patch?
[11:01] <seb128> pitti, I did review the patch, seems fine to me, assuming the extra recommends on -gnome | -kde is not a size issue for any media image?
[11:02] <pitti> libreoffice-gnome is shipped on ubuntu and edubuntu already
[11:03] <pitti> so that will mostly pull in -gnome into lubuntu and friends after upgrade, is that desired?
[11:03] <pitti> seb128: ^
[11:03] <pitti> err, Sweetshark ^
[11:04] <ogra_> lubuntu doesnt have any libO bits in the seed, does it ?
[11:04] <ogra_> (i did only get goffice in my last lubuntu test install)
[11:33] <Sweetshark> pitti: I think ogra_ is right ...
[11:35] <Sweetshark> pitti: confirmed
[12:17] <seb128> jbicha_, hey
[12:18] <jbicha_> seb128: good morning
[12:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, pitti: do we have an official position or opinion on esteid-browser-plugin? Seems like cjwatson wants somebody from desktop to take the decision for it
[12:18] <seb128> jbicha_, how are you?
[12:18] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, please just accept that one ;)
[12:19] <seb128> jbicha_, you showed me the translated desktop guide website yesterday, the french guys asked if there is the equivalent for server and installation?
[12:19] <jbicha_> seb128: not yet but it sounds possible
[12:20] <seb128> jbicha_, ok, thanks
[12:20] <seb128> jbicha_, that was mostly curiosity
[12:21] <jbicha_> it's on my list of things to look at :) also http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
[12:22] <seb128> jbicha_, ok ;-)
[12:30] <pitti> Sweetshark: libo uploaded
[12:32]  * Sweetshark hugs pitti 
[12:32] <seb128> pitti, opinion on esteid? if you are fine with chrisccoulson's ack can you NEW it?
[12:33] <pitti> seb128: if chrisccoulson is fine with it, no objection from me
[12:33] <pitti> can look in a bit, when I land the defaults-zh-cn fix
[12:33] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[12:46] <pitti> chrisccoulson: err, you already reviewed esteid-browser-plugin?
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i've had a look at it
[12:46] <pitti> chrisccoulson: this has copies fo boost, log4cplus, and other libraries, a wrong copyright file, unattributed licenses, etc.
[12:47] <pitti> is that something which is supportable?
[12:47] <mvo> seb128: hi, davmor2 told me you had some s-c issue with french?
[12:47] <chrisccoulson> pitti - by "looked at it", i mean that i looked at the actual extension code. i've not looked at the packaging at all
[12:47] <pitti> and huge, too
[12:47] <seb128> mvo, hey, no, I had some random s-c issues
[12:47] <seb128> mvo, I though it was maybe due to me using french but they vanished after a restart
[12:48] <mvo> seb128: what was the issue (or the issues)?
[12:48] <mvo> seb128: might be gtk releated
[12:48] <seb128> mvo, installed thing wouldn't show with searches under "all softwares"
[12:48] <mvo> seb128: ha!
[12:48] <seb128> mvo, like deja-dup or gedit would have no match
[12:48] <seb128> mvo, well deja-dup had only one technical match for the -dbgsym rather
[12:48] <mvo> seb128: you clicked on top-rated or whats-new before I think, this is a know bug :/
[12:48] <seb128> mvo, they were showing under "installed" though
[12:48] <seb128> mvo, right, we were discussing "top rated"
[12:49] <seb128> mvo, then I looked for deja-dup and didn't find it
[12:49] <mvo> seb128: but it should be fixed in lp:~mvo/software-center/whatsnew-leak-lp985389
[12:49] <seb128> mvo, thanks for checking ;-)
[12:49] <mvo> seb128: yeah, if you first click on "whats-new" or "top-rated" and then do a search it "swallows" all installed apps, the described branch should fix that
[12:50] <seb128> mvo, ok, as usually you are one step ahead ;-)
[12:51]  * mvo hugs seb128
[12:51]  * seb128 hugs mvo back
[12:58]  * desrt joins the hugfest
[12:58] <seb128> desrt, ;-)
[12:58] <smspillaz> mdeslaur: in case you care https://code.launchpad.net/~smspillaz/compiz-core/compiz-core.fix_939228/+merge/103245
[12:58] <mdeslaur> smspillaz: sweet! thanks
[12:59] <mdeslaur> smspillaz: hey, don't slack off uni to fix my bugs! :)
[12:59] <smspillaz> I'm not really
[12:59] <smspillaz> got stuff mostly under control ish
[12:59] <mdeslaur> ok :)
[12:59] <smspillaz> plus part of the conditions of me being paid is um
[12:59] <smspillaz> working ?
[13:00] <mdeslaur> ah, yes, that would make sense :P
[13:07] <desrt> yay.  government did something good yesterday!
[13:11] <seb128> desrt, ?
[13:11] <desrt> seb128: we have a minority government at the provincial level (ie: they don't have enough votes in the parliament to pass legislation on their own)
[13:12] <desrt> major issues (like passing a budget) are called a 'vote of confidence' -- if they lose it, then the government automatically fails
[13:12] <desrt> the main opposition party said right from the start "we'll vote against" because they're lazy idiots who didn't want to play ball
[13:12] <desrt> so the progressive party said "we'll vote, if...." and started dealing
[13:13] <desrt> the result is that today we will have a vote on a budget that imposes a tax on the rich and uses it to decrease the deficit
[13:13] <desrt> and it will pass because of the two parties cooperating
[13:14] <BigWhale> seb128, I'll remove Kazam from this, since it's obvious that it has nothing to do with it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/957919
[13:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 957919 in compiz "inconsistent behaviour when switching virtual Desktops" [Undecided,New]
[13:15] <seb128> desrt, nice! ;-)
[13:15] <smspillaz> desrt: hahahah careeeeeeeeful with that
[13:15] <seb128> BigWhale, sure
[13:15] <smspillaz> desrt: we have that in australia. it worked for a little while
[13:15] <desrt> smspillaz: and then?
[13:15] <seb128> pitti, is that you who rejected esteid?
[13:15] <smspillaz> and then the big mining companies got sick of all the policy being made by the green party so they are now basically electioneering the tories to win the next election
[13:16] <desrt> smspillaz: right.  governments who advocate fairness do tend to have difficulty finding election-time funding... :)
[13:16] <smspillaz> desrt: we get ads like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXpBfRlLnv8
[13:17] <smspillaz> well, not quite ;-)
[13:17] <desrt> our provincial tories are quite widely despised
[13:17] <mvo> seb128: unfortunately no luck for me for the gtk+ treeview, I filed the bug upstream now
[13:17] <desrt> mvo: which bug is that?
[13:18] <seb128> mvo, ok, maybe try pinging Company on #gtk+ asking if he has an hint on what could have created the issue?
[13:18] <smspillaz> desrt: the case here is that everyone basically dislikes both the tories and the small-l liberals (incidentally, the "Liberal" party is the same as your conservative party here)
[13:18] <smspillaz> desrt: soooooooooooooo because we have AV all the votes flood to the greens
[13:18] <smspillaz> which is not necessarily a bad thing but
[13:18] <smspillaz> certain stakeholders don't like it
[13:18] <mvo> desrt: bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/986186 - it appears there is a regression in the amount of cell_data calls between 3.2 and 3.4
[13:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 986186 in software-center "software center stop working when I select system software for a long time" [Medium,Confirmed]
[13:18] <desrt> hmm
[13:19] <desrt> regression = "more"?
[13:19] <mvo> desrt: in oneiric it called it for the visible area, so ~50 times. and in precise for the entire model (~40k times in my test)
[13:19] <desrt> mvo: sounds like a fixed-height oddity?
[13:19] <mvo> fixed-height mode is on
[13:19] <desrt> ya....  but maybe it's not being effective :)
[13:19] <mvo> :)
[13:19] <mvo> right
[13:20] <mvo> seb128: thanks, I will do that, just reading over the diff once more (harhar, its *huge*)
[13:20] <desrt> smspillaz: our tories had the last election on a silver plate (that's why we have a minority) on the principle of "anyone but the current guy".
[13:21] <smspillaz> desrt: that's pretty much what Australia is going to look like in a year or so
[13:21] <desrt> turns out that "anyone but the current guy" started looking really bad as soon as people started paying attention to what came out when the tory leader opened his mouth
[13:21] <smspillaz> yep
[13:23] <desrt> anyway... we'll see
[13:23] <desrt> what you say is true... the uber-rich like to sway elections
[13:23] <desrt> and they also have the means to pack up and leave if they don't like it here
[13:24] <smspillaz> desrt: sooo if I have canadian citizenship it should be pretty easy to get residency there right ?
[13:24] <desrt> welcome to the race to the bottom
[13:24] <smspillaz> guess I'll be moving over soon :)
[13:24] <desrt> smspillaz: citizenship -> automatic right to residency
[13:24] <desrt> isn't that true for every country?
[13:24] <smspillaz> desrt: its not the same in all countries ... just checking
[13:24] <smspillaz> if you're out of the country for like
[13:24] <smspillaz> 19 years like I have been ?
[13:25] <desrt> do you know of any country that would deny a citizen the right to return?
[13:25] <smspillaz> not off the top of my head, but it certainly doesn't seem implausible that there'd be some limitation period as to your automatic residency
[13:28] <pitti> seb128: yes, see u-archive@
[13:29] <pitti> seb128: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2012-April/045082.html
[13:30] <Laney> he can get it into Precise via backports once it's all sorted out
[13:30] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[13:34] <ogra_> sil2100, !
[13:34] <sil2100> ogra_: ?
[13:34] <ogra_> sil2100, so where is your change for compiz, linaro and me are waiting since you announced it yesterday
[13:35] <sil2100> ogra_: I'm waiting for it to get merged since yesterday ;)
[13:35] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/compiz/fix_770283/+merge/102831 <-
[13:35] <ogra_> ah
[13:35] <ogra_> k
[13:35] <ogra_> i thought you had commit rights :)
[13:35] <ogra_> alf_, ^^^
[13:35] <sil2100> ogra_: sadly :(
[13:36] <sil2100> (or I'm not aware of it!)
[13:36] <ogra_> heh
[13:36] <sil2100> ogra_: ugh, and it seems I forgot that you also have commit rights!
[13:36] <sil2100> ogra_: so instead of waiting, I could have just poked you about it
[13:36] <ogra_> yeah
[13:36] <sil2100> geh..
[13:36] <sil2100> ;)
[14:06] <mvo> seb128: I just compiled a gtk git trunk and that appears to have fixed it, what is the easiest way to see the commits from what we have as 3.4.1 compared to trunk?
[14:09] <seb128> mvo, it's maybe your fixed-height patch which breaks it :p
[14:10] <seb128> mvo, did you try trunk or trunk gnome-3-4?
[14:10] <mvo> seb128: no, I applied all patches from us and rebuild trunk
[14:10] <seb128> mvo, I usually use http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log to look through commits
[14:10] <mvo> seb128: hm, but it might be another one of ours, let me look
[14:10] <seb128> mvo, but trunk basically has only lot of css work
[14:10] <seb128> mvo, which makes a difference on rendering but should do on set_model
[14:11] <mvo> let me retry with all of ours that apply
[14:11] <mvo> seb128: I need a faster box :)
[14:18] <didrocks> mdeslaur: hey
[14:18] <mdeslaur> didrocks: hi!
[14:18] <didrocks> mdeslaur: how are you? :)
[14:18] <mdeslaur> didrocks: great, you?
[14:19] <didrocks> I'm fine thanks, the weather is going crazy between sunny and rainy every 5 minutes though :)
[14:19] <didrocks> mdeslaur: I requested some security team expertise for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cherrypy3/+bug/986254 FYI
[14:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 986254 in cherrypy3 "[MIR] python-cherrypy3" [Undecided,New]
[14:19] <jdstrand> I will get to it later today
[14:19] <mdeslaur> didrocks: yes, jdstrand is aware of it and will be looking at it
[14:19] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: YOU SPY! :)
[14:19] <jdstrand> :)
[14:19] <jdstrand> did I mention I also hilight on mdeslaur?
[14:20] <jdstrand> :P
[14:20] <mdeslaur> lol
[14:20] <didrocks> jdstrand: all that for spying him, isn't it?
[14:20] <didrocks> :)
[14:20] <didrocks> thanks jdstrand, mdeslaur, you are one step ahead then! ;)
[14:22] <pitti> oh crud, today's Tuesday, and noone reminded me of the meeting reminder!
[14:23] <didrocks> zomg, we are screwed ;)
[14:23] <didrocks> pitti: "btw, in case you didn't notice, it's meeting reminder day!"
[14:24]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[14:24]  * didrocks whistles
[14:24]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[14:24] <kenvandine> didrocks, thanks for the reminder :)
[14:24] <pitti> my gtimelog from last week really looks boring
[14:24] <pitti> sponsoring, gnome 3.4.1, tonsof bug triage
[14:24] <didrocks> kenvandine: yeah, was really needed ;)
[14:24] <didrocks> pitti: the question is: were you bored? ;)
[14:24] <pitti> absolutely not :) just what I did is not particularly interesting to read
[14:24] <didrocks> same here, mostly unity discussion about if things need to be uploaded or not, what qualifies for the SRU…
[14:25]  * didrocks will keep only a *small* update for once on his section
[14:27] <didrocks> oh, a meeting reminder in my mailbox, at last! ;)
[14:28] <mterry> First world problems: trying to edit a wiki at the same time as didrocks
[14:28] <didrocks> mterry: lock freed!
[14:29] <mterry> :)
[14:32] <seb128> pitti, didrocks: seems we all forgot about the meeting reminder this morning ;-)
[14:32] <didrocks> seb128: no no, I was waiting for it the whole day! (*hem*) ;)
[14:32] <seb128> mterry, hey
[14:32] <mterry> seb128, hello!
[14:33] <pitti> mterry: good morning
[14:33] <seb128> jdstrand, sorry about reassigning that evince issue to apparmor, I though the "list of official softwares" was in abstractions there to not be copied pasted between i.e different viewers
[14:33] <seb128> seems like I will never get those apparmor profiles stuff right
[14:33]  * mterry waves at pitti
[14:33] <jdstrand> seb128: it just depends on the best place to put it. now I think we need a task for both
[14:33] <jdstrand> seb128: it isn't a problem at all :)
[15:13] <mvo> seb128: hrm, hrm, so my self-build version is fast, but does not do theming, why could it be unthemed?
[15:14] <mvo> seb128: ohh, found the reason for this
[15:14] <seb128> mvo, no idea, wrong ./configure prefix= or something?
[15:14] <mvo> seb128: missing PRELOAD on libgdk :)
[15:55] <kenvandine> nessita, ping
[15:55] <nessita> kenvandine: pong
[15:56] <nessita> hola!
[15:56] <kenvandine> hey, question about the u1-control-panel-qt
[15:56] <kenvandine> UniqueApplication is only implemented for windows?
[15:56] <nessita> kenvandine: hum, let me ask the mind behind it :-)
[15:56] <kenvandine> nessita, thx :)
[15:57] <kenvandine> """A dummy UniqueApplication class."""
[15:57] <kenvandine> in linux.py
[15:57] <kenvandine> and it doesn't look like it really does anything
[15:58] <nessita> ralsina: hi there! thanks for coming
 hey, question about the u1-control-panel-qt
 UniqueApplication is only implemented for windows?
[15:58] <Chipaca> ralsina: ^
[15:58] <nessita> ralsina: kenvandine was asking me about the UniqueApplication in the Qt controlpanel
[15:58] <ralsina> kenvandine: yes
[15:58] <nessita> ralsina: if I recall correctly, you are the master mind behind it, right?
[15:58] <ralsina> since in order to start it twice on unity you have to do something like meta-click the launcher
[15:58] <ralsina> nessita: well, that's one way to put it ;-)
[15:58] <nessita> :-)
[15:59] <kenvandine> ralsina, control-center and the messaging menu
[15:59] <kenvandine> are easy ways to duplicate it
[15:59] <ralsina> kenvandine: ok, we can add it for ubuntu, no problem
[15:59] <ralsina> kenvandine: we just never got around to it
[15:59] <kenvandine> and if in the control-center you click the icon more than once, you get multiple windows
[15:59] <Chipaca> kenvandine: is duplication a problem?
[16:00] <kenvandine> Chipaca, pretty ugly...
[16:00] <kenvandine> Chipaca, it was something jasoncwarner_ pointed out last night and asked if we could SRU that
[16:00] <nessita> Chipaca: also, the QT controlpanel will not act 100% consistently between the 2 instances
[16:00] <ralsina> kenvandine: usually people don't have u1cp open, so it should be rare
[16:00] <nessita> Chipaca: for example, if you add a folder in one, you will not get it in the other instance
[16:00] <Chipaca> nessita: ah, i wasn't aware the backend was broken that way :)
[16:01] <kenvandine> if it isn't risky to add that, i would be in favor of an SRU for that
[16:01] <nessita> Chipaca: well, at the time was designed assuming one UI will be running
[16:01] <ralsina> kenvandine: not risky at all
[16:01] <kenvandine> the behavior is "broken" compared to the rest of the desktop
[16:01] <nessita> Chipaca: since we ensure it (for the GTK one)
[16:01] <ralsina> kenvandine: we had that code in the gtk version, so it should not be too hard
[16:01] <Chipaca> kenvandine: you should ask how risk-averse ralsina is
[16:01] <kenvandine> i am not sure if jasoncwarner_ filed a bug or not, i'll look for one and file it if it if he didn't
[16:02] <kenvandine> Chipaca, don't scare me :)
[16:02]  * ralsina is like a grownup Kick Butowski but this is really not risky
[16:02] <Chipaca> kenvandine: if there were a way to do squirrel suit jumps with internet connectivity, ralsina would be there
[16:02] <ralsina> plus, worst case, you still get duplication
[16:02] <kenvandine> haha
[16:03] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:04] <ralsina> please ping me with the bug number so I track this
[16:08] <kenvandine> ralsina, bug 987909
[16:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 987909 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Can launch duplicate windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/987909
[16:08] <ralsina> kenvandine: great thanks
[16:08] <kenvandine> ralsina, thx!
[17:00] <jcastro> jbicha: around?
[17:01] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[17:01] <jcastro> ok, I need a sweet desktop session!
[17:01] <jcastro> kenvandine: They tell me you're not doing anything ^^
[17:01] <kenvandine> jcastro, i never have anything to do :)
[17:02] <kenvandine> jcastro, suggestions for topics?
[17:02] <jcastro> well, it can be more end-userish
[17:02] <jcastro> I would even settle for a "Tour of new unity features" or somesuch
[17:02] <jcastro> kenvandine: mhall and I are going to UDS early so we won't be available, otherwise I'd do a unity session
[17:03] <kenvandine> jcastro, i did some juju pimping with a guy whose shop does SaaS stuff :)
[17:03] <kenvandine> jcastro, me too...
[17:03] <kenvandine> jcastro, probably won't work for me... i'll be travelling on the 2nd and at the sprint after that
[17:04] <kenvandine> the 1st i'll probably be scrambling getting ready for the trip
[17:07] <jcastro> kenvandine: ok I'll idle and just ambush anyone who talks until I get a volunteer. :)
[17:07] <kenvandine> hehe
[17:07] <kenvandine> :)
[17:45] <kirkland> unity is taking my thinkpad browser back button and launching the 'type your command' thing
[17:45] <kirkland> how do I disable that?
[17:48] <mterry> kirkland, interesting...  alt pops it up.  so your key must be doing an alt+left behind the scenes?
[17:49] <mterry> kirkland, you can change that in the Keyboard system settings panel
[17:49] <dupondje> Somebody here for an offtopic question. Trying to get Clipboard working in Remmina. But somethings odd :)
[17:50] <dupondje> g_signal_connect(G_OBJECT(gtk_clipboard_get(GDK_SELECTION_PRIMARY)), "owner-change", G_CALLBACK(remmina_plugin_rdp_on_cuttext), gp); => I added this to the code. this should be triggered when clipboard content changes. But remmina_plugin_rdp_on_cuttext is never called.
[18:01]  * didrocks waves good evening
[18:25] <cyphermox> seb128: poke
[18:26] <cyphermox> seb128: if you're still around, what do you think of adding --replace for ibus? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/875435  -- seems to me like much of a hack, still. I'm going to look into the ibus indicator shortly, see if I can make sense of something broken in it
[18:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 875435 in ibus "iBus indicator does not show on the panel" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:33] <kirkland> mterry: hmm
[18:33] <kirkland> mterry: let me check
[18:34] <kirkland> mterry: can I disable the alt?
[18:34] <kirkland> mterry: that's killing me, with alt-tab
[18:34] <kirkland> mterry: if i get the timing wrong, i get that damn popup
[18:34] <mterry> kirkland, should be able to in the Keyboard panel
[18:36] <kirkland> mterry: perfect, thanks
[18:36] <kirkland> mterry: now to do that across the board.... :-)
[18:36] <mterry> kirkland, btw, the 'type your command' thing is called the HUD
[18:37] <mterry> should have mentioned that, would have made finding it easier in Keyboard
[18:37] <kirkland> mterry: welfare housing?
[18:37] <kirkland> :-)
[18:37] <kirkland> mterry: cheers, thanks
[18:37] <mterry> Housing Urban Developmont?
[18:37] <kirkland> mterry: yeah :-)  that's the US gov's program for building houses for welfare individuals
[18:37] <kirkland> mterry: I presume it's "heads up display" here?
[18:38] <mterry> kirkland, huh, not familiar with it.  Yeah
[19:13] <dobey> mterry: hehe. also referred to as "Section 8" for Dept of Housing & Urban Development "projects" ;)
[19:15] <seb128> kirkland, do you use unity-2d?
[19:15] <kirkland> seb128: sometimes
[19:15] <kirkland> seb128: I think I'm in 3d at the moment
[19:15] <kirkland> seb128: is there an easy way to tell?
[19:16] <seb128> kirkland, lots, mouseover on the launcher and look if the tooltip has a transparent background
[19:16] <seb128> or try to dnd a launcher icon on the right and see if it goes out of the launcher and goes back with a nice effect
[19:17] <seb128> unity-2d has an ugly grey background in its launcher tooltips
[19:17] <kirkland> seb128: mine's kind of a fuzzy purple
[19:18] <seb128> kirkland, oh, try to alt-tab
[19:18] <seb128> is that an ugly xfce win95 looking ui
[19:18] <seb128> or a modern looking nice ui?
[19:19] <kirkland> seb128: not sure;  compiz is taking 13% of my CPU, so I figured I'm in 3d
[19:19] <seb128> right
[19:19] <seb128> if compiz is running it's 3d, it would have been easier to ask you to look at running processes :p
[19:20] <seb128> kirkland, ok, I though alt hijacking issues were fixed under 3d, it stop misbehaving for me at least, so what mterry said, change the hud shortcut in the keybindings panel
[19:20] <kirkland> seb128: cool, thanks
[19:20] <kirkland> seb128: I'll disable them there
[19:21] <seb128> kirkland, you don't like using your menus from the keyboard?
[19:21] <seb128> (just curious at this pointà
[19:21] <seb128> )
[19:21] <kirkland> seb128: no
[19:21] <seb128> ok, fair enough ;-)
[19:21] <kirkland> seb128: if I need it, i press the Super button
[19:21] <seb128> kirkland, dash != hud are different
[19:22] <seb128> kirkland, the alt ui search into your *menus*
[19:22] <kirkland> seb128: hmm, okay;  i have no idea what those are then
[19:22] <seb128> kirkland, like focus something, tap alt, type "pre" and enter you get the preferences item
[19:22] <seb128> kirkland, or open gimp, type "fil" and get the filters items wherever they are in menus
[19:22] <kirkland> seb128: ah, yeah, I wouldn't use that
[19:23] <seb128> kirkland, it spares you using the mouse or learning where stuff are in menus, just type to tap a key and type the thing you want ;-)
[19:23] <kirkland> seb128: gotcha
[19:23] <kirkland> seb128: thinkpad trackpoint mouse is more convenient for me
[19:24] <seb128> kirkland, btw while you are around do you know if those kern.log messages are "normal"
[19:24] <seb128> Valid eCryptfs headers not found in file header region or xattr region, inode 1311585
[19:24] <seb128> Either the lower file is not in a valid eCryptfs format, or the key could not be retrieved. Plaintext passthrough mode is not enabled; returning -EIO
[19:24] <kirkland> seb128: as I don't use a separate mouse, it's already built into the keyboard
[19:24] <kirkland> seb128: 0-byte file?
[19:24] <kirkland> seb128: find /home/.ecryptfs -size 0
[19:24] <seb128> kirkland, dunno, I'm using a ecryptfs user dir
[19:24] <seb128> kirkland, that's listing a lot
[19:24] <kirkland> seb128: okay, hang on, let's find that inode
[19:24] <seb128> in my user dir .Private
[19:25] <kirkland> seb128: find $HOME/.Private -inode 1311585
[19:25] <kirkland> seb128: find $HOME/.Private -inum 1311585
[19:25] <seb128> $ find $HOME/.Private -inum 1311585
[19:25] <seb128> $
[19:26] <kirkland> seb128: hmm, find $HOME -inum 1311585
[19:26] <seb128> searching...
[19:26] <seb128> it's an ssd shouldn't take hours ;-)
[19:26] <seb128> /home/seb128/.gconf/apps/xchat/main_window/%gconf.xml.new
[19:26] <mlankhorst> 3.4-rc4-rt5 is scaring me, consistently getting 10us latency upper bound..
[19:26] <seb128> kirkland, it's 0 byte indeed
[19:27] <seb128> kirkland, should I just rm it?
[19:27] <dupondje> g_signal_connect(G_OBJECT(gtk_clipboard_get(GDK_SELECTION_PRIMARY)), "owner-change", G_CALLBACK(remmina_plugin_rdp_on_cuttext), gp); => I added this to the code. this should be triggered when clipboard content changes. But remmina_plugin_rdp_on_cuttext is never called. Somebody has any idea on this?
[19:27] <kirkland> seb128: okay, so that's what's throwing the log messages, you can safely rm it
[19:27] <kirkland> seb128: note that tyhicks is actively working on this problem
[19:27] <seb128> kirkland, thanks!
[19:27] <kirkland> seb128: he noted that yesterday in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:27] <kirkland> seb128: you should ping him with that path, as he was looking for examples of the files causing this
[19:27] <seb128> kirkland, will do, thanks again
[19:28] <kirkland> seb128: no problem, thanks for your help too
[19:57] <ralsina> kenvandine: just as a headsup, I have proposed and half-approved a branch to avoid duplication of ubuntu one control panel, so there should be no problem at all getting it in the SRU
[19:58] <kenvandine> ralsina, cool
[20:07] <cm-t> Hi,I am using a tablet PC (HPtouchsmart tm2)
[20:07] <cm-t> In software like evince, empathy for example ( so it looks a gtk issue as cnd suggest), I can use multi touch from touchpad and touchscreen. when I installed 12.04 beta2 i could use a new feature : use only one finger to scroll and it looks to detect I use the only one finger from the touchscreen (in setting/mouse I have 2 finger scrolling)
[20:08] <cm-t> after an update I can not anymore use this one finer scrolling
[20:08] <cm-t> Is it done on purpose or should I report a bug ?
[21:00] <seb128> cyphermox, hey
[21:01] <cyphermox> hey seb128
[21:01] <seb128> cyphermox, I don't know about this bug to comment but the workaround seems like better than the bug
[21:01] <seb128> it would still be better to fix the real issue
[21:01] <cyphermox> huh, what? ;)
[21:01] <cyphermox> well, right, the workaround looks better now
[21:01] <seb128> cyphermox, sorry, the ibus --replace thing
[21:02] <seb128> I don't know enough about ibus to have a strong opinion
[21:02] <cyphermox> want to maybe just release with that workaround, if it solves the problem for them?
[21:02] <cyphermox> (I'll take care of it)
[21:02] <seb128> but I think it's reasonable to go with the workaround until we figure the issue
[21:02] <cyphermox> just seems like it's potentially bad since there's more than one ibus daemon available
[21:02] <seb128> right
[21:02] <cyphermox> alright
[21:02] <seb128> summary: go for it ;è)
[21:03] <seb128> ;-)
[21:03] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[21:03] <bschaefer> hey, whats going on with ibus?
[21:03] <cyphermox> so I'll get back to it later ;)
[21:03] <cyphermox> bschaefer: sometimes the indicator doesn't show
[21:03] <bschaefer> somewhat curious...
[21:03] <bschaefer> o yeah
[21:03] <kenvandine> the updated icons in the gwibber lens really makes a huge difference!
[21:03] <cyphermox> but I haven't been able to reproduce it just now, quickly installing Vietnamese on my system
[21:03] <bschaefer> that has always been a problem...and has always been fickle
[21:04] <bschaefer> but nux should be able to handle ibus --replace with out anything bad happening
[21:04] <bschaefer> already fixed those crashes...
[21:05] <cyphermox> bschaefer: yeah, not worried about crashes, just trampling other ibus daemons by mistake :)
[21:05] <cyphermox> anyway, bbl
[22:54] <jasoncwarner_> hey bryceh RAOF TheMuso (no Robert, on holiday) don't forget about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-04-24 and adding your items + agenda items
[22:55] <lifeless> jasoncwarner_: pub hol for half of them :)
[22:55] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, hey
[22:55] <jasoncwarner_> lifeless: you know what, I forgot and I live in AU as well :) that's what you get for not leaving the house ever!
[22:56] <lifeless> LOL
[22:56] <jasoncwarner_> hey bryceh, as lifeless just said, most NZ and AU folk have public holiday today
[22:56] <jasoncwarner_> so...gonna be quiet in here for a bit :)
[22:56] <bryceh> lucky boys :-)
[22:59] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, no agenda items from me; been preoccupied with bugs (esp. Intel gpu lockup bugs once again).  I also drafted up our LTS point release rename scripts, now that we finally have a codename.  :-)