[00:55] <directhex> moo
[00:55] <Azelphur> baa
[04:58] <Jora> im here you can critisize me now lol
[05:12] <ging> who is that aimed at?
[05:12] <Azelphur> I think it was open season
[05:12] <Azelphur> Jora: YOUR FACE IS WEIRD.
[05:13] <Jora> Your mommas so fat she make da pillsbury doughboy look anorexic
[05:13] <Azelphur> oshi-
[05:16] <Jora> you can't handle it, you just can't
[05:16] <Jora> I just insulted your momma and you don't have anything to say for it. Tsk tsk.
[05:16] <Azelphur> indeed :<
[05:16] <Azelphur> I'm out-insulted
[05:31] <ging> you upset Dave2
[05:31] <Azelphur> odeer
[05:32] <Jora> I really offended Dave2
[05:33] <MartijnVdS> !coc
[05:34] <Jora> Oh dear, I was just joking around and none of my comments were to be taken seriously.
[05:37] <PerfM> Sup bitches
[05:37] <PerfM> ubuntu sucks rite
[07:24] <DJones> Morning all
[07:25] <mattt> what's with the trolls?
[07:25] <DJones> Was wondering that myself
[07:28] <daubers> Morning
[07:44] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[07:45] <DJones> Morning bigcalm
[07:49] <zleap> hi franred
[07:49] <franred> hi zleap
[07:51] <bigcalm> Hi DJones
[08:02] <MooDoo> gekki all
[08:02] <MooDoo> that would be hello
[08:02] <MooDoo> if my fingers were in the right place on the keyboard
[08:20] <mattt> BOOYA
[08:20] <mattt> err
[08:20] <mattt> booya
[08:30] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:30] <bigcalm> Hi AlanBell
[08:32] <bigcalm> I have the choice of using XML RPC or SOAP to interface with PayPoint.net for credit card transactions. Which is the better tech or possibly easier to use with PHP?
[08:32] <mungojerry> does any pdf reader on ubuntu allow highlighting of sections of the pdf doc?
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: If you get WSDLs and XSDs, SOAP should be a breeze (though I don't know if PHP has libraries to cope with those correctly)
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: XML-RPC is easier on the XML libraries, and I know there's a good client for PHP
[08:34] <directhex> bigcalm, i like SOAP personally, due to WSDL. but i don't know if php is usable with WSDL
[08:34] <directhex> erm, what MartijnVdS said
[08:35] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: good thing about PHP is that it has a lot of community driven libraries for most protocols
[08:35] <bigcalm> Thanks guys :)
[08:36] <AlanBell> mungojerry: I don't think so, annotation support is rather limited (never once wanted to use it myself)
[08:38] <mungojerry> :(
[08:38] <mungojerry> very useful on kindle books i read
[08:38] <mungojerry> might have to try pdf->mobi
[08:43] <mungojerry> which button do i press? http://ubuntuone.com/1NTXfMot6EIodnZGGEID7o
[08:43] <AlanBell> details
[08:43] <mungojerry> was not very enlightening
[08:43] <mungojerry> i want to continue, saying go ahead..
[08:44] <AlanBell> presumeably you are installing something from a PPA and are not surprised to see this message
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: In Perl, I'd go for XML::Compile::SOAP (which has a WSDL module) :)
[08:44] <mungojerry> AlanBell, not intentionally
[08:44] <mungojerry> i ham installing calibre - is that in normal repos?
[08:45] <DJones> mungojerry: Yes
[08:45] <AlanBell> it says it is fixing something, perhaps you have something else from a ppa
[08:46] <mungojerry> AlanBell, true, maybe something else is newer in a ppa, but still no button to say, OK, continue as agreed
[08:48] <mungojerry> disabling gimp repo and OSD-history repo...
[08:48] <mungojerry> otherwise software centre crashes when i continue (known bug.)
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning, all! *8O)
[09:27] <mungojerry> AlanBell, i discovered okular does highlighting,
[09:27] <mungojerry> (and also much quicker than evince at reading docs)
[09:30] <mungojerry> haven't discovered a way of saving the highlights yet ;(
[09:32] <mungojerry> ah, it saves them , but not if i do "save as.." a diffrent document
[10:00] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:01] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon
[10:01] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:01] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[10:02] <davmor2> morning bigcalm and all
[10:03] <sircrashalot> Installed 12.04 beta 2 on the netbook.  It's looking quite nice
[10:04] <sircrashalot> I like the desktop background applied to the login screen
[10:06] <czajkowski> AlanBell: feeling better?
[10:06] <AlanBell> nope
[10:06]  * AlanBell needs sympathy
[10:06] <czajkowski> :(
[10:07] <czajkowski> AlanBell: how are the chickens?
[10:08] <AlanBell> better than me ;)
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wazzup AlanBell?
[10:08] <AlanBell> just sitting here chain-drinking lemsips
[10:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ah - I had a cold last week.
[10:09] <AlanBell> (no, not exceeding the appropriate dose)
[10:11] <AlanBell> need to be fixed by tomorrow evening, I am podcasting
[10:12]  * brobostigon sends AlanBell some pain killers.
[10:12]  * BigRedS sends AlanBell some Guinness
[10:13] <marxjohnson> AlanBell: dont worry, you'll be in good company. I also have the dreaded lurgy.
[10:18] <mattt> anyone here familiar w/ packaging debian packages?
[10:19] <sircrashalot> To some extent
[10:19] <BigRedS> I've seen several of them
[10:19] <mattt> i'm trying to modify the setup.py to include file.conf instead of file.conf.example
[10:20] <mattt> but whenever the package is built, it refuses to include that file
[10:20] <mattt> it's like python's setuptools only wants file.conf.example
[10:20] <mattt> bit vague, but any suggestions?  :P
[10:22] <mattt> i guess i could handle the mv of file.conf.example in the postinst file, but that doesn't feel right
[10:25] <directhex> i'm familiar with debian packaging, but not for toy languages
[10:26] <mattt> oh burn
[10:27] <BigRedS> haha
[10:31] <AlanBell> mattt: maybe try #ubuntu-motu
[10:31] <mattt> AlanBell: it's actually a python setuptools thing me thinks
[10:31] <mattt> but thanks
[10:31]  * AlanBell likes playing with toy languages
[10:33] <mattt> me too :P
[10:33] <mattt> https://github.com/BrightcoveOS/Diamond is very cool
[10:35] <mattt> MANIFEST.in => exclude         conf/*.conf
[10:36] <mattt> well herp derp
[10:36] <mattt> silly toy language and their silly toy setup tools
[10:37] <sircrashalot> Handbags at dawn
[10:41] <mungojerry> micro SDHC cards seem rather susceptible to dying :-\
[10:42] <bigcalm> Buy good quality ones, I've had no problems with SanDisk
[10:42] <mungojerry> i have a sandisk one
[10:43] <mungojerry> hmm or maybe samsung
[10:43] <mungojerry> OS does not even recognise
[10:43] <mungojerry> another 32gb one is playing up too
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: SDHC cards in pre-SDHC readers can be flaky
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> I bought a new card reader and all my cards work now.. before it was very hit & miss
[11:03] <directhex> bear in mind a LOT of counterfeit SD cards are on the market
[11:03] <directhex> fake sandisks are common
[11:03] <sircrashalot> Indeed, I bought one a couple of years ago
[11:04] <sircrashalot> Looked like a bargain...but
[11:17] <BigRedS> I recall there being a Dropbox-alike thingy that I can download and run the server part of, anyone agree and know what it is?
[11:18] <sircrashalot> sparkleshare?
[11:19] <BigRedS> sircrashalot: yes! Thanks!
[11:21] <mungojerry> MartijnVdS, i plugged it into a phone aswell :-\
[12:28]  * popey notes #ubuntu-release-party is open for business
[12:29] <directhex> why?
[12:30] <popey> why did I note it?
[12:30] <popey> or why is it open?
[12:32] <directhex> the latter!
[12:34] <Myrtti> why wouldn't it be?
[12:47]  * bigcalm flumps
[12:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: arrrrr god I can smell that over here, smells like burning garbage, oh no the incinerators on :D
[12:51]  * bigcalm tuts
[13:05] <cocoa117> what is non-DFSG-free?
[13:06] <popey> Debian Free Software Guidelines
[13:06] <popey> if something is non-DFSG-free then it doesn't conform to those guidelines
[13:06] <popey> http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html
[13:06] <cocoa117> popey, got it
[13:52]  * daubers writes yet more job specs
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> hiring spree?
[14:07] <daubers> indeed
[14:13] <diplo->  o/
[14:13] <diplo-> If only it wasn't in Reading :(
[14:14] <mattt> daubers: what is it?
[14:15] <daubers> mattt: Potentially 2 roles, one "support" type engineer, one python engineer
[14:16] <mattt> funky, which company?  :P
[14:16] <daubers> mattt: http://www.gblabs.co.uk
[14:16] <daubers> though no job specs yet
[14:17] <daubers> still typing them :(
[14:17] <mattt> aldemaston, that's not too far from me
[14:51] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/987871
[14:51] <popey> can anyone reproduce that?
[14:52]  * bigcalm grabs his laptop
[14:53] <diplo-> Slight stutter first time I did it
[14:54] <diplo-> Hardly noticeable after
[14:55] <dogmatic69> popey: happens 90% of the time for me
[14:55] <davmor2> popey: the only kinda flicker I get is the title in the bar changing
[14:55] <bigcalm> It appears to draw the screen, blank it and then animate the screen coming into view
[14:56] <popey> dogmatic69: yay!
[14:56] <popey> dogmatic69: can you confirm it?
[14:56]  * dogmatic69 hit confirmed already
[14:56] <popey> just hit the "affects me too" thing
[14:57] <popey> ah, cool, ta
[14:58] <bigcalm> Just one update since the weekend? I sense the quiet before the storm
[15:01] <davmor2> big you sense the quite before the sru fixes hit is that what you are trying to say ;)
[15:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: even ^ must not of hit tab hard enough :D
[15:06] <Myrtti> bigcalm: I got a reply from O'Reilly \o/
[15:12] <popey> bug 987897
[15:12] <popey> bug 987879
[15:13] <popey> thats an easy one to replicate :D
[15:14] <davmor2> popey: ha nice it does in the c-a-→ but not if you click on the workspace icon
[15:18] <AlanBell> Myrtti: are they sending you books?
[15:18] <Myrtti> yeah \o/
[15:20] <davmor2> AlanBell: I see you're stirring up trouble ref authentication of lenses :D
[15:21] <AlanBell> davmor2: engaging in a productive discussion
[15:21] <AlanBell> no trouble in that discussion yet (though I fully expect Ryan Guager to continue to probe the boundaries in that thread too)
[15:22] <gord> the google doodle today is fun :)
[15:24] <davmor2> AlanBell: Yeah, yeah if that's the term you use down South ;)  What you might think about is simply asking the user to add an entry in seahorse for the app, ie add a password description: openCRM password: user=<opencrmlogin>,password=<opencrmpassword>  and at least see if you can hook into it from a lens
[15:26] <AlanBell> well I know that seahorse==passwords and keys, but not everyone does
[15:26] <AlanBell> I just opened the thing and I have no clue how to add a password
[15:27] <AlanBell> ah right, file-new. And how do I tell it what server to use?
[15:28] <davmor2> AlanBell: no server you use stored password
[15:28] <AlanBell> sure, but where do I specify the server?
[15:28] <davmor2> AlanBell: drop it in the login keyring
[15:29] <davmor2> AlanBell: you do description as the name of the app
[15:29] <AlanBell> the server is going to be myserver.mycompany.co.uk or 192.168.3.2 or something like that
[15:29] <AlanBell> I know what software it will be running, but not where it is installed
[15:30] <ali1234> wat
[15:30] <davmor2> AlanBell: and then for the password do opencrm_login=abc,opencrm_password=xyz,server=serverip/address
[15:30] <AlanBell> ok
[15:32] <AlanBell> in the description rather, you just shove it all in there in a random format
[15:34] <AlanBell> or do you actually mean to shove that stuff in the password field??
[15:35] <AlanBell> can any application read any passwords from the gnome-keyring?
[15:35] <davmor2> in password description just needs to be a keyword for the keydb
[15:36] <popey> AlanBell: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/SecurityPhilosophy
[15:36] <davmor2> AlanBell: python can not sure how though
[15:38] <AlanBell> that is a bit of a worry
[15:38] <AlanBell> so allowing a lens or something to store it's password in gnome-keyring means it can retreive all your passwords
[15:39] <BigRedS> huh?
[15:40] <BigRedS> surely gnome-keyring knows which passwords are stored by what?
[15:40] <AlanBell> nope
[15:40] <BigRedS> haha, wonderful
[16:12] <AiRLocK> Hello everybody, I need help with something really weird that is happening with a PC of mine.
[16:13] <AiRLocK> The machine is an ASUS M2N-MX with AMD AM2+ 64 bit dual core CPU running ubuntu 11.10 64 bit
[16:17] <bigcalm> Myrtti: yay. I take it that they returned with good news?
[16:17] <Myrtti> yeah :-)
[16:18] <bigcalm> Wonderful :)
[16:47] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: thanks for the reminder!
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> hey popey
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> NP
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is you + 1 right?
[16:50] <popey> need to check the +1
[16:50] <popey> will do that now
[16:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - Google Drive is out but no Linux client :-( https://drive.google.com/start#features
[17:00] <Azelphur> I like dropbox :p
[17:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Me too Azelphur
[17:00] <Azelphur> there's a dude on bitmit that will spam you with dropbox referrals for 0.3BTC (~90 pence)
[17:00] <Azelphur> so I have like 18GB
[17:03] <popey> i love U1 ☺
[17:04] <Azelphur> I tried U1 a while back, but I really need right click > copy public link, and they didn't have it then dunno if they do now
[17:04] <Azelphur> I mainly use dropbox as a public file hosting space
[17:04] <popey> we do
[17:04] <Azelphur> hehe, new :)
[17:05] <gord> not really, quite old :P
[17:09] <popey> pretty sure we had it before dropbox
[17:13] <Azelphur> popey: nah definitely not, I remember using dropbox, and trying out U1 and it not having that feature so going back again
[17:16] <daftykins> ;)
[17:16] <daftykins> my coder friend is horrified at dropbox' mem usage on Windows
[17:17] <daftykins> evening all o/
[17:20] <daftykins> i have one extremely clean house as of today
[17:20] <daftykins> and two estate agents fighting for the role to sell it for me
[17:24] <Aivaras> Does Scotland have own ubuntu irc chanel?
[17:24] <daftykins> *shrug*
[17:24] <daftykins> is there even a Scottish TLD?
[17:25] <Azelphur> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[17:25] <Azelphur> I don't see one
[17:25] <Aivaras> where ever I go, there is no linux users :D
[17:26] <daftykins> Aivaras: maybe you scare them away
[17:27] <Aivaras> daftykins, well I'm trying find them... I'm organising release parties in my city and have done presentations about ubuntu in local schools
[17:28] <daftykins> interesting, did you contact the schools and they said 'sure come talk about <thing i don't understand>' ? :>
[17:28] <Azelphur> http://loadingreadyrun.com/videos/view/201/Installation old video, but awesome :P
[17:29] <popey> Aivaras: scotlug
[17:29] <popey> #scotlug has lots of people in it
[17:30] <Azelphur> MWAVE$ xD
[17:32] <daftykins> XD
[17:33] <daftykins> "that's what they said to Galileo"
[17:33] <daftykins> XD
[17:34] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:35] <daftykins> ah good times
[17:35] <daftykins> i love the way you can install it on practically anything but really once you get there it's like "well, er, ok i'm done"
[17:36] <Azelphur> haha
[17:36] <Aivaras> daftykins, I contacted schools from Univesitie so they don't give a **** about what are you going to talk while you are with university :D
[17:37] <daftykins> oic
[17:37] <daftykins> "That was a lovely young man, i wonder what he was talking about. Oh well!" :D
[17:46] <Aivaras> daftykins, Yeah, basicly. Must have: black suit :D
[17:46] <daftykins> =]
[17:47] <Aivaras> daftykins, from my point of view - schools are open for people to share ideas with students :)
[17:47] <daftykins> they certainly should be
[17:47] <Aivaras> I was to five schools, all accepted :)
[17:48] <daftykins> neat
[17:48] <daftykins> hand out discs at the time or?
[17:48] <Aivaras> yeah, had CDs, also had computer class for live demonstration :)
[17:49] <Aivaras> Burned 200 CDs that time... :D
[17:51] <Aivaras> For 12.04 release party at friday - four people are registered... :(
[17:55] <Aivaras> Funny fact: I'm organising release parties for ubuntu, but have never used it for a longer then a week :D
[18:00] <daftykins> XD
[18:01] <daftykins> may be interesting if you get any complex installation woes to troubleshoot then
[18:01] <daftykins> were anyone to ask for help / get involved in any
[18:01] <ali1234> i'd always suspected that most ubuntu advocates just like advocating things and don't really have any understanding of the OS or the ideals behind it
[18:01] <Aivaras> daftykins, I know debian and arch linux well :D
[18:02] <Aivaras> ali1234, I'm not for ubuntu. I'm for linux, but ubuntu seems to be the most suitible for new users so...
[18:03] <ali1234> not really
[18:03] <daftykins> Aivaras: oic
[18:03] <ali1234> ubuntu is suitable for new users only if they bought hardware with it already installed
[18:04] <ali1234> after-market installs aren't really the focus any more, it's all about convincing OEMs to ship it at this point
[18:04] <ali1234> (and this is what i meant about not understanding the ideals - the ideals have changed quite a bit in the past couple of years)
[18:05] <daftykins> is it ever going to happen given the widely understood approach Microsoft have to getting exclusivity though?
[18:05] <Aivaras> ali1234, 1) the lot of users (easy to find help), 2) good hw support, 3) everything (+/-) is preinstalled
[18:05] <ali1234> if you need any of those things you are much better off buying a mac
[18:06] <Aivaras> I don't need - new users does
[18:06] <ali1234> daftykins: microsoft is dead, it's a walking corpse, and it has been for a couple of years now
[18:06] <Aivaras> walking?
[18:06] <Aivaras> no way :D
[18:07] <ali1234> everything has changed
[18:07] <ali1234> microsoft is no longer the company you have to beat. not it is google and apple
[18:07] <Aivaras> crawling - the best I can say about m$ :D
[18:08] <ali1234> this is the reason microsoft has made windows 8 into something crazy
[18:08] <ali1234> that last time they did that was with windows xp when they were severly lagging behind everyone else in internet support
[18:08] <ali1234> and we know how well that turned out: their product was highly insecure and it basically destroyed consumer confidence in PCs
[18:09] <ali1234> now people are afraid to go online in case they get a virus or someone steals their bank details
[18:10] <ali1234> the way you advocate ubuntu is the same way microsoft sold windows xp 10+ years ago
[18:10] <ali1234> you can get online straight away, it's secure, and you can get help easily. you don;t need to learn anything...
[18:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: you about still?
[18:11] <Aivaras> Well, I have to kill myself now... I spoiled much children lifes then :(
[18:12] <daftykins> what's promoting this idea of easy help for Ubuntu?
[18:12] <ali1234> i don't know
[18:13] <daftykins> if i had a problem i'd come on here, but i haven't had the best luck with that approach...
[18:14] <dogmatic69> how do I get the current build info?
[18:14] <dogmatic69> want to update a bug and say it seems to work with the latest updates
[18:14] <ali1234> basically every time you replace a compromised windows install with ubuntu you are lowering the average intelligence of ubuntu users, and therefore making the platform an easier target
[18:14] <daftykins> the bug works! \o/
[18:14] <daftykins> wait what? :>
[18:16] <brobostigon> ch5, pub dig, my local, :) :(
[18:17] <ali1234> it's happening to apple right now as ex-windows xp users move to it rather than 7
[18:18] <ali1234> or rather, they are moved to it by well meaning computer literate relatives
[18:18] <daftykins> i've definitely felt i'm losing market potential not having more OS X exposure
[18:18] <daftykins> still think macs are a joke though XD
[18:18] <Aivaras> "still think macs are a joke though" you sir deserved a medal :D
[18:19] <ali1234> the real joke is giving an incredibly powerful tool to someone who has no idea how to use it...
[18:19] <daftykins> Aivaras: you agree or? :)
[18:19] <Aivaras> daftykins, How could I argue? :D
[18:19] <daftykins> dunno, you might don a monacle and say I LOVE THE SHINY
[18:20] <Aivaras> Well, I own an iPod ;D
[18:22] <daftykins> get out.
[18:22] <daftykins> ;)
[18:22] <Aivaras> look at mp3 players now :)
[18:22] <Aivaras> Market is dead.
[18:23] <ali1234> i don't know anyone who still carries one
[18:23] <daftykins> me o/
[18:23] <Aivaras> Because they like listen crappy quality music with crapy headphones with phones.
[18:23] <Aivaras> No offence.
[18:23] <daftykins> i'm this very moment plugged into a creative labs muvo2 4GB player
[18:23] <ali1234> phone hardware is identical to mp3 player hardware
[18:24] <daftykins> to V0 transcoded MP3 (from FLAC) with very good Technics cans :D
[18:24] <daftykins> my phone still sounds a bit crap compared to this ancient player
[18:24] <Aivaras> ali1234, Google about Digital analog Converter :)
[18:24] <daftykins> and the 'phones are definitely not the weak link
[18:24] <ali1234> oh please, don't give me that audiophile rubbish
[18:25] <ali1234> the weak link is the file compression
[18:25] <Aivaras> Its not rubbish. It is not about gold vs cooper cables with identical resistence.
[18:26] <Aivaras> ali1234, of course if you are listening to 126 kbps mp3 rip.
[18:28] <Aivaras> And one more weak link is headphones.
[18:30] <daftykins> he's rather fond of his 96Kbps Britney collection!
[18:33] <Aivaras> WHat is bitrate of standart audio CD?
[18:35] <Aivaras> btw daftykins - this is the reason of buying an iPod :) http://twitpic.com/949gcu
[18:35] <daftykins> 1411Kbps
[18:36] <daftykins> getting a chavvy head unit and having the brand logo show up?
[18:36] <daftykins> wowzer
[18:36] <Aivaras> Ability to have same music in car, on the go. :)
[18:37] <daftykins> i might learn to drive once i get home
[18:37] <daftykins> 27, 10 years of money saved is probably enough ^_^
[18:37] <Aivaras> Where are you form?
[18:38] <daftykins> Guernsey
[18:38] <daftykins> trying to think of music to chuck on my portable :S
[18:38] <daftykins> i miss the days when i could fit my whole collection on my 20GB creative zen
[18:38] <Aivaras> daftykins, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_(Megadeth_album) take this :)
[18:39] <daftykins> huge diary size thing XD
[18:42] <jacobw> what do you have now?
[18:42]  * jacobw scrolled
[18:43] <Aivaras> jacobw, Sorry about that
[18:43] <jacobw> lol @ digital to analogue converter
[18:44] <daftykins> ugh
[18:44] <daftykins> know that feeling when you're not in the mood for anything you've got?
[18:45] <daftykins> or can't work out your mood...
[18:45] <Aivaras> So open irc and look for channels to flood :D
[18:45] <daftykins> hmm Aphex Twin may work...
[18:46] <Aivaras> wiki says that it is electronics :(
[18:47] <daftykins> ultimately, yeah
[18:47] <Aivaras> I thooth we were talking about music... :D
[18:47] <daftykins> well you can't go judging by one name ^_^
[18:47] <Aivaras> I don't.
[18:47] <daftykins> yeah just joking
[18:47] <daftykins> Rage were a close second choice
[18:48] <Aivaras> I just don't think about electrical noise as music.
[18:48] <daftykins> so you don't like guitars? :D
[18:49] <Aivaras> I like quitars, i don't like computer that plays them. :D
[18:49] <daftykins> ok now what to have for food
[18:50] <daftykins> Aivaras: do you use last.fm ?
[18:50] <ali1234> aphex twin is quite well known for using analogue synthesizers
[18:50] <Aivaras> daftykins, Not really.
[18:50] <daftykins> yeah loves his old hardware so i hear
[18:51] <daftykins> Aivaras: www.last.fm/user/daftykins
[18:51] <ali1234> squarepushers is really a jazz bassist by default
[18:51] <daftykins> doesn't get my portable plays mind
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> \o/ laptop has SSD now
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> so quiet
[18:52] <daftykins> :)
[18:52] <daftykins> you can fling it around safely now :D
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> The installer is broken with btrfs root though :(
[18:53] <Aivaras> daftykins, "Music you have in common includes Alice Cooper, Third Eye Blind, Led Zeppelin and Nirvana" :D
[18:53] <jacobw> does it fsck yet?
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: eys
[18:53] <jacobw> :D
[18:53] <daftykins> Aivaras: \o/
[18:53] <jacobw> i so want to use btrfs in production
[18:53] <ali1234> anyone else following dholbach on g+? i didn't know he was also a DJ :)
[18:53] <jacobw> i didn't know that
[18:54] <ali1234> http://www.mixcloud.com/dholbach
[18:54] <jacobw> zfs is the filesystem, but i don't want to deal with bsd or solaris
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> He has been one for ages
[18:54] <daftykins> 12TB RAID6 array i did last for a client i put XFS on
[18:54] <daftykins> as i read it's good with big files
[18:55] <daftykins> so, HD films and DVD ISOs (his film collection)
[18:55] <jacobw> i haven't heard about xfs for a long time
[18:55] <daftykins> ooh-err, did i back a dead horse?
[18:55] <jacobw> i remember running suse 10.0 with an xfs root
[18:56] <jacobw> for the live resize capability that i didn't need :|
[18:57] <daftykins> :D
[18:57] <daftykins> amuses me when peeps sometimes tout features of technologies they never use
[18:57] <daftykins> but it can feed me bagels in a hospital bed!
[18:57] <daftykins> i... see
[18:58] <jacobw> heh
[18:58]  * jacobw wonders how a bagel feeding machine would depend on a hospital bed
[18:59] <daftykins> because you'd not be able to feed yourself in such a predicament
[18:59] <daftykins> trust me, i thought it through
[18:59] <jacobw> i don't think you have :(
[18:59] <daftykins> then we shall speak of it no more
[18:59]  * jacobw thinks about puppet vs chef
[19:00] <daftykins> ?
[19:01] <jacobw> configuration management tool chains
[19:01] <jacobw> both of these things compete in the devops space
[19:02] <jacobw> along with canonical's juju
[19:02]  * jacobw disregards juju
[19:08] <jacobw> chef feels proprietary to me :(
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> we use puppet at work
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> deploy = make .deb, upload to local archive server
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> have puppet upgrade the packages automatically
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[19:11] <jacobw> :)
[19:12] <jacobw> i like distributing configuration by dpkg but i have to manage several rhel machines
[19:13] <Aivaras> my internet connection is too slow even for ssh :(
[19:13] <BigRedS> every time I've seen anyone ask about a problem with chef, the solution mooted tends to be 'puppet'
[19:13] <BigRedS> that's mostly why we went with puppet at work
[19:13] <jacobw> what's your latency?
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: /etc/ files are managed by puppet
[19:18] <Aivaras> jacobw, not the latency is the problem but unstable connection
[19:18] <Aivaras> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1913446245.png and speed of course...
[20:26] <directhex> i'm almost out of red bull cola :/
[20:27] <brobostigon> :(
[20:27] <bigcalm> directhex: what about the rum supply?
[20:27] <brobostigon> directhex: did you see pub dig in banbury on ch5?
[20:28] <directhex> brobostigon: non!
[20:28] <brobostigon> directhex: :(
[20:28] <directhex> bigcalm: looking good on rum. still have some diplomatico to finish off
[20:28] <directhex> brobostigon: miiddleton road was closed again due to exploding
[20:28] <bigcalm> I know nothing of rum types/names :)
[20:29] <brobostigon> directhex: a bomb apparently.
[20:29] <directhex> brobostigon: more WW1 phosphorous anti-tank shells found in the building site next to tesco express
[20:29] <brobostigon> directhex: i think so, yes.
[20:30] <brobostigon> directhex: fancy meeting up for a ber again, sometime?
[20:30] <brobostigon> beer*
[20:30] <directhex> sure, that can be arranged
[20:31] <brobostigon> directhex: you get hold of me, and me can work from there.
[20:32] <brobostigon> directhex: as ofcourse, you have your wife to think about.
[20:35] <daftykins> by that he means ask permission from ;)
[20:35] <daftykins> me and a friend drew up a "<friends name here> request form" for such purposes \o/
[20:35] <brobostigon> ummm,
[20:35] <brobostigon> welll.
[20:36] <daftykins> yeah it's just me and my sense of humour again
[20:36] <daftykins> don't worry
[20:36] <brobostigon> :)
[20:38] <brobostigon> directhex: thursday, reinedeerm quiz ?
[20:38] <brobostigon> reinedeer*
[20:51] <AlanBell> what is the point of instagram?
[20:51] <AlanBell> it makes pictures square and with fuzzy edges or something?
[20:53] <Laney> ctrl-alt-shift+arrows is very hard to type on my laptop
[20:53]  * Laney is giving unity a go
[20:53] <Aivaras> AlanBell, Are you want to know why would ever pay for it 1B USD?
[20:54] <AlanBell> well I don't think that has an answer, but why would lots of people find it compelling?
[20:54] <Aivaras> AlanBell, People are stupid.
[20:55] <ali1234>  /bubble
[20:56] <ali1234> it's not the same tech bubble as last time. this time it involves mobile phones
[20:56] <Aivaras> After android got instagram, all the geeks in my twitter feed switched to it just because its new and... well new :D
[20:56] <BigRedS> AlanBell: that's basically it. I think it goes along with everybody being a photographer at the moment
[20:56] <ali1234> what is instagram?
[20:56] <AlanBell> I hadn't heard of it until it got bought
[20:57] <ali1234> all the "geeks" are on g+
[20:57] <AlanBell> I think I may have seen a few square pictures on twitter, but didn't attach much significance to it
[20:57] <ali1234> also i really hate when people use "geek" and "nerd" to describe themselves
[20:57] <ali1234> no true geek or nerd would self identify that way
[20:58] <ali1234> it's like how "hacker" is misused, except in reverse
[20:59] <BigRedS> AlanBell: then you're just not their target market and nor are the people whose photos you look at
[20:59] <Aivaras> Real question is what is a geek...
[20:59] <ali1234> a geek is the horrible charactature you see on shows like the big bang theory
[21:00] <popey> or the people who attend LUG meetings and install tiling window managers that require recompilation in order to configure
[21:00] <Aivaras> shelon uses windows... :D
[21:00] <popey> he's not real, you know that? ☺
[21:00] <Aivaras> sheldon*
[21:01]  * Laney looks at his xmonad config
[21:01]  * Laney hides
[21:01] <Aivaras> I know, but ali1234 seams to not know :D
[21:01] <daftykins> funnily enough i'm watching BBT right now :O
[21:01] <daftykins> mostly because my friend had it and i've no way to get TV right now XD
[21:01] <Aivaras> is new episode out?
[21:02] <daftykins> nah i'm on s1
[21:02] <Aivaras> oh lucky you
[21:02] <Aivaras> Game of Thrones 02 04 is on the way to my PC :))
[21:03] <daftykins> not touched that one
[21:03] <daftykins> nor read, not fond of fantasy lark
[21:03] <Aivaras> And you don't read the book do you?
[21:05] <daftykins> Aivaras: that's the 'nor read' part yeah :D
[21:05] <Aivaras> Sorry, I was wathing into the other monitor while typing :D
[21:10] <AlanBell> lemsip with wiskey sounds like a good idea
[21:12] <silner> Ever notice how phenylephrine + alcohol doesn't have the same ring to it :)
[21:16] <Laney> can I turn off the super+numbers thing (to quick launch applications) in unity?
[21:17] <ali1234> you can change "key to show launcher" to "disabled"
[21:18] <ali1234> that will also disable the shortcut help window
[21:21] <Laney> ideally I would still be able to get to the dash
[21:21] <ali1234> you can
[21:21] <ali1234> just click the bfb
[21:21] <Laney> via keyboard
[21:21] <ali1234> then no, it is impossible
[21:24] <Laney> ho hom
[21:24] <Laney> hum
[21:25] <Aivaras> email from boss went to a spam box :DD Well played google! :D
[21:26] <popey> is your boss called Mr.viagra@cialis.com ?
[21:28] <Aivaras> In that case I would already sold some viagra to you. :D
[21:41] <zleap> anyone seen this http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/332690/20120424/usb-vintage-typewriter-keyboard-mac-pc-ipad.htm
[21:41] <zleap> usb typewriter
[21:46] <gord> if i see anyone using that with an ipad, i'm going to slap them
[21:48] <ali1234> does an ipad even have usb?
[21:48] <daftykins> didn't think so
[21:49] <daftykins> ah dock connector
[21:49] <daftykins> maybe they can use that
[21:49] <shauno> it'll actually use a lot more devices than it claims over the 'camera connector' kit thing
[22:20] <daftykins> Checking domains..
[22:20] <daftykins> techblo.gg, 1 years £47
[22:20] <daftykins> .gg are so expensive >_<
[22:23] <brobostigon> .me.uk is dirt cheap.
[23:00] <brobostigon> think it is possible, to hire, nick mason, to play your birthday, and then play with him ?
[23:18] <dogmatic69> anyone have issues with copy / paste?
[23:19] <dogmatic69> sometimes it does not work :(
[23:31] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: I bet it's because you copy, close the application, then try to paste
[23:31] <Azelphur> that annoys the crap outta me
[23:31] <dogmatic69> I bet its not :/
[23:31] <dogmatic69> copy from netbeans alt-tab to chrome -> paste broken
[23:32] <dogmatic69> cant paste into textarea, but I can paste in the url bar
[23:32] <dogmatic69> can also paste here
[23:33] <dogmatic69> cant paste to any fields in chrome / google chrome but works here, libreoffice, url bar etc
[23:35] <dogmatic69> hmm, I can copy from chrome and paste it back in