| Darkwing | MarkDude: you going to be at UDS? | 01:54 |
|---|---|---|
| MarkDude | yes | 02:09 |
| MarkDude | trying to get a few others to go | 02:10 |
| philipballew | MarkDude, do you know about a uds a's game? | 02:10 |
| philipballew | aint no party like a baseball party | 02:10 |
| MarkDude | Uh, do we have 25 people interested? | 02:24 |
| MarkDude | If we do we can get group price | 02:24 |
| MarkDude | Create sumthin on the wiki | 02:24 |
| MarkDude | Sat the 12th or maybe fri 11th | 02:25 |
| philipballew | Toronto or detroit if my mind serves me correctly | 02:26 |
| bkerensa | TIL that 20% of the Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Roster had Code Commits that were accepted into 12.04 LTS :) | 03:38 |
| bkerensa | :D Now if we could just be as social as the folks down in Sunny California :D | 03:39 |
| akk | Where do I report a bug on a page on help.ubuntu.com? Is there a launchpad project for that? | 03:39 |
| philipballew | bkerensa, am i still okay to join the loco for oscon? | 03:42 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: Still waiting on word back from O'Reilly.... They will let us know in June but I will discuss with you at OSCON | 03:43 |
| bkerensa | akk: Doc Team | 03:44 |
| akk | thanks, bkerensa | 03:44 |
| bkerensa | akk: In theory though we are working to nuke help.ubuntu.com :) | 03:44 |
| philipballew | bkerensa, alright, well have to talk about it at uds | 03:44 |
| bkerensa | and replace it with Sumo | 03:44 |
| akk | Ooh, I hope this page doesn't get nuked -- it's a great page modulo one very small error. | 03:44 |
| akk | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization | 03:45 |
| philipballew | akk, cant people edit them? | 03:45 |
| philipballew | there like wiki's right? | 03:45 |
| akk | There's an ubuntu wiki but I think it has wiki in the url, doesn't it? | 03:46 |
| bkerensa | akk: you can edit help.ubuntu.com :) | 03:46 |
| bkerensa | its on my to do list to plow through updating a lot of documentation in Q cycle | 03:47 |
| akk | Cool! If it ever logs me in (still waiting...) I'll fix the page myself. | 03:48 |
| philipballew | bkerensa, the future docs master | 03:50 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: not even :P it just needs to get done | 03:51 |
| bkerensa | and Doc Team is really barebone right now | 03:51 |
| bkerensa | there are less then 10 active people on the doc team | 03:51 |
| akk | Will existing help pages be migrated to sumo? | 03:51 |
| bkerensa | maybe more like 5 or less in reality | 03:51 |
| philipballew | bkerensa, I need to find a area of ubuntu to help in. One that screems, this guy is hip, and knows whats up. Any ideas? | 03:51 |
| akk | Otherwise I want to make sure I capture this page -- I'm sure I'll want it again. | 03:51 |
| bkerensa | akk: Most certainly... The talks are still very early right now but Sumo is a good platform and Canonical wants it and some of us like it | 03:52 |
| bkerensa | :D | 03:52 |
| akk | whew | 03:52 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: Doc Work? Bug Control? | 03:52 |
| philipballew | i do need to learn better programing skills. Big work can help right? bkerensa | 03:53 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: Bug Work can... Start on bitesize and learn to package and keep on pushing on | 03:54 |
| philipballew | packaging is fun | 03:54 |
| akk | Yep. If you don't have programming projects you're already working on, fixing bugs can give you good motivation. | 03:54 |
| philipballew | Im to uncreative to program my own stuff these days | 03:55 |
| bkerensa | As soon as 12.10 Alpha 1 hits I can resubmit a bunch of merge proposals | 03:55 |
| * bkerensa kept fixing bugs past the string freeze | 03:56 | |
| philipballew | bkerensa, what kinda bugs? | 03:57 |
| philipballew | The california channel has been talkative today. This is good. | 05:01 |
| DonkeyHotei | you mean on tv? | 05:02 |
| philipballew | no, here. but I do like the california pbs channel | 05:04 |
| philipballew | Hi, im huell howser and this is Californias gold! | 05:04 |
| DonkeyHotei | i was referring to The California Channel | 05:05 |
| DonkeyHotei | you know, from inside the capitol | 05:06 |
| philipballew | hum, I dont have cable | 05:06 |
| philipballew | I should look into that | 05:07 |
| DonkeyHotei | i didn't have cable in Sac, either | 05:07 |
| DonkeyHotei | no tv needed there to see the capitol | 05:07 |
| philipballew | sac is a nice city. Except when you want to do something... | 05:08 |
| DonkeyHotei | when wouldn't one want to do something? | 05:11 |
| philipballew | maybe when Im sleeping | 05:12 |
| philipballew | so basically sac is for people who want to sleep | 05:12 |
| DonkeyHotei | i've slept more here in SF | 05:14 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: So you wanted to do something really big in 12.10 right? | 16:00 |
| bkerensa | :D | 16:00 |
| philipballew | bkerensa, yeah! something that says, "wow, the phil person is good" | 16:02 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: well I am going to likely be leading the Doc Team's transition of help.ubuntu.com from its current platform to Sumo :) I will likely need help with this and will start planning at UDS | 16:04 |
| philipballew | I will be there. what is sumo? | 16:04 |
| philipballew | do I have to sumo wrestle bkerensa ? because he would win... | 16:04 |
| bkerensa | http://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/about/ | 16:05 |
| bkerensa | Sumo is basically a Support Platform that Mozilla Develops :) | 16:05 |
| bkerensa | and its far superior to anything we have in the Ubuntu Community | 16:05 |
| philipballew | so it runs on just firefox? | 16:05 |
| philipballew | ah, i see what it is bkerensa. what all needs to be done? | 16:08 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: Migrate all the articles from help.ubuntu.com to the new platform | 16:09 |
| bkerensa | and test and configure the new platform in the cloud to ensure stability before pulling the plug on the old platform | 16:09 |
| bkerensa | its a pretty massive project since help.ubuntu.com has so much content | 16:09 |
| philipballew | bkerensa, what kind of skills do I need to do this? | 16:10 |
| philipballew | I have some skills | 16:10 |
| philipballew | num chuck skills | 16:10 |
| philipballew | bow hunting skills | 16:11 |
| philipballew | Im pretty good with a bow-staff | 16:11 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: all of the above with a little bit of level 1 necromancy | 16:11 |
| philipballew | That makes scene. | 16:12 |
| philipballew | I dont see why I cant. I am always looking for some new computer skill to put on my resume. | 16:13 |
| * akk plays with Mozilla's sumo ... seems to work fairly well but I wish they'd add "quoted phrase searches" | 16:14 | |
| philipballew | what programing language do I need to know bkerensa | 16:15 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: none :) | 16:16 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: I will just need volunteers to help me with migrating the heaps of content in its entirety | 16:16 |
| philipballew | I do type docs for a living currently. | 16:16 |
| bkerensa | and for testing | 16:16 |
| philipballew | so yeah, I will help you lead the way here. Were gonna have to talk about it at UDS as well. | 16:17 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: indeed | 16:17 |
| philipballew | Is there a sumo session? | 16:18 |
| philipballew | and if there is, do I have to come dressed a a sumo wrestler? | 16:18 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: we will have to get a new one up... Canonistack instance died | 16:19 |
| philipballew | whats that? | 16:19 |
| akk | What's involved with migrating? They can't be imported automatically? | 16:20 |
| philipballew | a nice script to do it maybe? | 16:20 |
| philipballew | are there already meetings for uds scheduled around it bkerensa ? | 16:26 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: nope... I am not sure how that works? | 16:26 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: can I propose a meeting if I am leading a project in Q? | 16:26 |
| philipballew | bkerensa, yeah, you can I believe. | 16:27 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: anyone can propose a meeting, but you need to follow up with the team lead on that track to get it accepted | 16:27 |
| pleia2 | and be sure to follow the blueprint creation specs outlined in jcastro's email | 16:27 |
| MarkDude | So UDS requires me to give my flight details | 16:35 |
| MarkDude | AWESOME | 16:35 |
| pleia2 | arrival and departure from the summit should be required, but flight shouldn't be | 16:36 |
| pleia2 | (they weren't when I signed up) | 16:36 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2012-April/001935.html | 16:36 |
| pleia2 | instructions I sent to the list for registering | 16:36 |
| pleia2 | (includes notes about arrival and departure) | 16:36 |
| pleia2 | that's how they track how many days people will be there so they can plan the right amount of stuff each day | 16:37 |
| MarkDude | registerred | 16:37 |
| MarkDude | Had to put the times I will be in area | 16:38 |
| MarkDude | I put the week before- until August ;) | 16:38 |
| * MarkDude is hoping many people will be able to attend the Jono-palooza loud music show the weekend before | 16:39 | |
| akk | Requiring arrival and departure shouldn't be required either -- or should be explained. | 16:39 |
| akk | I had no idea what I was supposed to put there, so I just put the start/end dates of UDS. | 16:39 |
| MarkDude | Shhhh, akk- your common sense need not apply here :D | 16:40 |
| philipballew | yeah, Im gonna spend 3 weeks after uds in the area, so I was unsure what they meant... | 16:40 |
| pleia2 | yeah, it's certainly not designed for locals (the number of locals attending is usually a very small percentage) | 16:40 |
| MarkDude | altho it does make sense to make count for each day | 16:40 |
| akk | philipballew: I arrived in the area about 15 years ago, and I have no idea how many more years I'll spend here. | 16:40 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: please be nice, these things are largely run by community volunteers | 16:40 |
| pleia2 | (summit itself is a community project) | 16:40 |
| akk | If they want to know which days of the conference you'll be there, why don't they just ask that? | 16:41 |
| philipballew | the bay area is to nice an area to leave | 16:41 |
| philipballew | are you communing or using a hotel? | 16:41 |
| akk | Even if I were flying, I'd be annoyed if they wanted to know how long I was going to stay afterward to explore the area -- none of their business. | 16:41 |
| pleia2 | akk: it's also used to help them coordinate when they should have buses at the airport and inviting people on group outings on the weekends | 16:41 |
| * philipballew give up his bed for 20 a night, 50 I leave sleep on the other side of the room, and 100 I leave the room completely... | 16:42 | |
| akk | pleia2: For airport buses, it shouldn't be required of people not flying; for group outings, a "which days will you be there" would work better. | 16:42 |
| philipballew | maybe if your a Canonical employee they would | 16:43 |
| pleia2 | they are looking for more volunteers to help with summit :) it's written in python in django | 16:43 |
| MarkDude | A local button would make sense, but its cool. For a moment I thougt they were requirin flight #- and some take trains. | 16:43 |
| MarkDude | Hella makes sense tho for days. | 16:43 |
| philipballew | kevin, the guy I run the4 sd ubuntu hour with has to show up a week from today for uds and has more to worry about as hes a employee for instance | 16:43 |
| akk | Initially I got a page that was asking questions like that, and passport #. But then when I went back, I got a different page that didn't ask those. | 16:43 |
| MarkDude | I mean many folks might just be able to make weekend- tuesday | 16:43 |
| MarkDude | or thur- weekend | 16:44 |
| MarkDude | Without that info- I bet it would be much harder to plan | 16:44 |
| philipballew | Im taking the train so the flight doesnt even apply | 16:45 |
| MarkDude | +1 train | 16:46 |
| * MarkDude loves the train | 16:46 | |
| akk | Trains rock. | 16:47 |
| philipballew | who are you guys? Sheldon Cooper? | 16:47 |
| * philipballew hides when they dont get the tv reference | 16:47 | |
| pleia2 | I'm a member of the market street railway :D | 16:48 |
| pleia2 | I actually didn't know trains were a geek thing until watching TBBT | 16:48 |
| * akk doesn't get the reference <- luddite | 16:48 | |
| pleia2 | character from The Big Bang Theory, a show about some college physics researchers and their geekiness | 16:49 |
| pleia2 | he loves trains | 16:49 |
| akk | Ah. That's a show I'd definitely watch if I had cable, but, oh well. | 16:49 |
| philipballew | so MarkDude will you be trolling with your fedora shirt? | 16:49 |
| pleia2 | it's OTA | 16:49 |
| pleia2 | CBS | 16:49 |
| akk | Can't pick up any broadcast here ... maybe we could if we bought a huge antenna. | 16:50 |
| pleia2 | ah | 16:50 |
| philipballew | alot | 16:50 |
| akk | Also, our TV is old and not digital and we never bought one of those converter dealies. | 16:50 |
| pleia2 | philipballew: I assure you, wearing a fedora shirt at UDS is not trolling | 16:50 |
| pleia2 | it's a very welcoming conference, and we want diversity in attendees | 16:50 |
| pleia2 | it's nice and healthy to get perspective from how other distros are doing :) | 16:51 |
| philipballew | oh, sounds good then, Ill be sure to bring my windows server 2003 shirt then. | 16:51 |
| pleia2 | I really hope you're not comparing fedora to windows | 16:52 |
| philipballew | no, im not :) | 16:52 |
| pleia2 | fedora is another community-driven open source distribution that has a lot of similarites to ubuntu | 16:52 |
| * philipballew runs fedora | 16:52 | |
| pleia2 | windows... I'm afraid we can't learn much from how they run their community (do they have one?) | 16:52 |
| philipballew | shh, dont tell the ubuntu people | 16:53 |
| pleia2 | it's really not this big war you're making it out to be ;) | 16:53 |
| pleia2 | we should all run what works well for us, even if we contribute to both | 16:53 |
| akk | Linux distro people are all on the same side! | 16:53 |
| akk | The differences are really pretty small. | 16:53 |
| * philipballew should never be takin seriously | 16:54 | |
| pleia2 | philipballew: it reflects poorly on us all when we play the distros against each other | 16:54 |
| pleia2 | even joking (since it's hard to tell) | 16:54 |
| philipballew | alright, will refrain. epically at uds. | 16:55 |
| pleia2 | there is plenty of that done by journalists and others wanting to cash in on inflammatory headlines, as members of this project we really don't need to feed the flames | 16:55 |
| MarkDude | philipballew, I will wear my Beefy Miracle shirt | 16:56 |
| philipballew | yeah, my google plus page was littered with a few articles last week about why Ubuntu is not linux and ubuntu is a evil distro... it seems odd that beople can take offence when you run a distro different then yours | 16:56 |
| MarkDude | And next a Free Geek shirt | 16:56 |
| MarkDude | then I will wear an *I F Freedom* shirt | 16:57 |
| MarkDude | trolling tho, nope | 16:57 |
| philipballew | yeah, dont worry, Im just messing with the trolling thing. I know that. | 16:57 |
| * MarkDude only takes excpetion to Ubuntu NOTusing the word LINUX. And that silly phrase- the Ubuntu Kernel | 16:58 | |
| MarkDude | But I am more focused on common issues | 16:58 |
| akk | Avoiding the word Linux is bad, yeah. | 16:58 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: that's how we talk about kernels, even the Debian release notes reference the Debian Kernel, it means that it has specific patches for the distribution | 16:59 |
| pleia2 | and it's not avoided, the release notes everyone complains about said: | 16:59 |
| pleia2 | Ubuntu Kernel | 16:59 |
| pleia2 | Beta-2 includes the 3.2.0-20.33 Ubuntu kernel which is based on the v3.2.12 upstream stable Linux kernel. | 16:59 |
| MarkDude | If there is a place to discuss the dropping the word Linux. I will do it there | 16:59 |
| philipballew | I petitioned for it to be called philbuntu a few releases ago, and for some reason they didn't go for it. | 16:59 |
| philipballew | The website doesnt say linux on it. | 17:00 |
| MarkDude | http://www.ubuntu.com/ ctrl f Linux- ZERO results | 17:00 |
| akk | Just saying "The Ubuntu kernel" seems reasonable -- it does have changes from kernel.org kernels. | 17:00 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: try that on http://www.debian.org/ | 17:00 |
| akk | That is strange, not mentioning Linux on the home page. | 17:00 |
| philipballew | most ubuntu users know there using linux | 17:00 |
| MarkDude | http://fedoraproject.org/ 2 results | 17:00 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: try that on http://www.redhat.com/ | 17:01 |
| akk | philipballew: Do most prospective Ubuntu users know it's Linux? | 17:01 |
| philipballew | philip@PrincessLeia:~$ uname -s | 17:01 |
| pleia2 | I know it's fun to single out Ubuntu, but they aren't the only one | 17:01 |
| philipballew | Linux | 17:01 |
| MarkDude | fair enough, were I going to Debian or RH event- I would be more concerned | 17:01 |
| philipballew | its true, there not. | 17:01 |
| MarkDude | Dont think I dont hard time RH | 17:02 |
| MarkDude | :D | 17:02 |
| akk | If I was marketing a distro, I'd make that a selling point -- something like "Stable, secure Linux kernel, proven on umpteen million systems from Android phones to Google servers." | 17:02 |
| philipballew | not every ubuntu user runs uname though | 17:02 |
| akk | Being Linux is a *good* thing. | 17:02 |
| pleia2 | akk: yeah, I am often surprised that they don't leverage Android more, it's the most popular linux ever (one of the most popular OSes ever) | 17:02 |
| pleia2 | but most people are shocked when I tell them android is linux | 17:02 |
| * MarkDude does not usually use word Linux when talking about Partimus- I tell folks it i computers that help kds | 17:02 | |
| philipballew | I think people hear linux and think "complicated and command line scares me" | 17:03 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: "Free Culture" is what we want to stress with Partimus | 17:03 |
| akk | pleia2: And it makes "Linux" less scary -- "See? You're already using Linux, it's not just for geeks." | 17:03 |
| akk | (Setting aside the question of whether most Android users are geeks :) | 17:03 |
| MarkDude | Good point on Android | 17:03 |
| * pleia2 back2work | 17:03 | |
| MarkDude | For the record RH has it once on their site | 17:05 |
| MarkDude | And Puppy wins over all- its always called Puppy Linux | 17:06 |
| MarkDude | Too bad they dont have gatherings :) | 17:06 |
| MarkDude | UDS should be fun, too bad I dont have a penguin suit for it | 17:07 |
| akk | Puppy gatherings sound fun ... everybody could chase balls and fetch sticks. :) | 17:07 |
| akk | What happened to the penguin suit? | 17:07 |
| MarkDude | It was stolen at last OSCON | 17:09 |
| MarkDude | I was with Leslie hawthorn, and some OSU lab folks | 17:10 |
| MarkDude | It was hanging up at coatrack | 17:10 |
| MarkDude | and was gone | 17:10 |
| akk | Oh no! | 17:10 |
| akk | :( | 17:10 |
| MarkDude | Daddy Shadowman will buy another. But I have been debating if I want to be known as the dude in the Penguin suit | 17:11 |
| * MarkDude has decided yes | 17:11 | |
| MarkDude | Well 1st I would like to be known as * the Communitizer* | 17:11 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: For about a $200 investment or so a LoCo could produce printed sleeves and CD's for about 5 cents per CD or $25 per 500 | 19:32 |
| bkerensa | they wouldnt be as shiny and glossy as the Canonical printed ones but definitely way cheaper | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: we use the paper sleeves | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | if we had $200 (which we don't) there are things we'd rather spend the money on, like pressed CDs | 19:34 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: yeah I was asking our designer guy to transition our logo to your origami thing | 19:34 |
| bkerensa | :D | 19:34 |
| bkerensa | but he didn't think people would take burned copies serious so we found a Canon printer that prints onto CD's | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | if we had nice pressed cds it might be worth upgrading the packaging too, but a nice cover is only really impressive if your CD inside isn't marked with a sharpie ;) | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | but at the end of the day we really can't afford either | 19:36 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: yeah thats why we were discussing the $99 printer that makes nice printed cd's | 19:36 |
| bkerensa | :d | 19:36 |
| bkerensa | and a box of paper sleeves is 13 | 19:36 |
| bkerensa | $13* | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | I've also found CDs going the way of the dinosaur, we do a lot more with USB sticks these days | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | now cheap USB sticks would be good :) | 19:36 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: USB's are $5 a pop | 19:36 |
| bkerensa | :D | 19:36 |
| bkerensa | I think the cheapest I have found for custom printed 4GB USB's is $5 | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | that's pretty cheap | 19:37 |
| greg-g | what about 1 gig? | 19:37 |
| greg-g | or do they even make them anymore? :) | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | 2G would be enough | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | but yeah, I don't think they make such small ones in bulk anymore | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | hi greg-g :) | 19:37 |
| akk | Strangely, USB sticks don't seem to be any cheaper in bulk than singly. | 19:37 |
| bkerensa | greg-g: no idea... the CTO at Linbit gave me and our asst lead two beer chalices and some thumbdrives and said they talked them down to $5 per 4GB drive for 250 | 19:37 |
| bkerensa | so if you bought 1000 then maybe even cheaper | 19:38 |
| akk | You'd think there would be scads of places selling 1G sticks in bulk packs, but I haven't found any. | 19:38 |
| * akk has been looking for a cheap 10-pack that a class of high schoolers can use to boot ubuntu | 19:38 | |
| philipballew | there cheap enough anyway | 19:38 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: What we really need is a Public PXE system | 19:38 |
| bkerensa | some way to network install but on a global scale | 19:39 |
| greg-g | heya pleia2 | 19:39 |
| greg-g | (sorry, missed that) :) | 19:39 |
| philipballew | bkerensa, you should set that up | 19:39 |
| bkerensa | akk: Costco? | 19:39 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: I would not know where to start I have not yet done a PXE install... always cd-rom or usb | 19:39 |
| akk | bkerensa: Dunno, but after a $60 membership fee it wouldn't be all that cheap (and $60 just to get in to find out is even worse). | 19:39 |
| akk | Or whatever they're charging now, it was something like that last I checked. | 19:40 |
| philipballew | i set up a local pxe server once. Was not to hard | 19:40 |
| bkerensa | akk: :P I have a Costco membership and if worse comes to worse I could go with you to the one in SF during UDS? | 19:40 |
| akk | bkerensa: Does costco actually have a deal on usb sticks? If they do, I just might take you up on that. | 19:40 |
| bkerensa | they have pretty good prices like a 8 pack of 4GB for 25 or something idk | 19:40 |
| akk | That would be excellent. | 19:41 |
| bkerensa | akk: They really do but its like seasonal? | 19:41 |
| bkerensa | lol | 19:41 |
| bkerensa | kind of like ipods and such | 19:41 |
| bkerensa | no idea when they have them and when they dont :D | 19:41 |
| akk | 8 is close enough, I could buy a couple of extras from microcenter or donate a couple of my own. | 19:41 |
| bkerensa | might be good to call ahead and ask them | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | welcome BigWhale | 19:41 |
| BigWhale | Greetings! | 19:41 |
| Faqtotum | thar he blows | 19:42 |
| === Faqtotum is now known as DonkeyHotei | ||
| BigWhale | So, I was wondering. I'll be at UDS and I'm flying in to SFO on 5th. It will be my third time in the city and I never really get to see any of it. Are there any local people willing to show me around and stuff? Hang out some? | 19:43 |
| philipballew | Its always a whale of a tale with BigWhale | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | BigWhale: yep! on wednesday night we're offering some guided tourism, and I'll be doing shopping in SF with some folks on Sunday | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | BigWhale: some other events we're doing are being collected here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | shopping == downtown SF | 19:44 |
| BigWhale | Sunday 6th? | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | yep | 19:44 |
| BigWhale | Awesome! | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | downtown SF is an easy train/subway ride away from UDS | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | we made a public transit page too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/PublicTransit | 19:45 |
| philipballew | Just look for the Im local badges | 19:45 |
| bkerensa | BigWhale: I am not "local" but I am a native Californian and know SF and most of the bay like the back of my hand | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | oh yes, California team members will be wearing "I'm a Local" badges at UDS itself :) | 19:45 |
| philipballew | Were gonna be wearing them | 19:46 |
| bkerensa | I am going to be doing a China Town excursion | 19:46 |
| philipballew | bkerensa, when is that? | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: bay area debian announcement: http://bad.debian.net/list/2012-April/003491.html maybe talk to Michael Paoli about attaching more chinatown to that? | 19:46 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: when I make a informal detour with like minded souls who enjoy back alley chinese food :P | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | (may be too late though) | 19:46 |
| philipballew | I will be going to In N Out at least one night so all people wanting a burger can join. | 19:46 |
| BigWhale | Now I'm glad I booked one flight earlier. :) | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | err, too late == to late at night | 19:46 |
| philipballew | bkerensa, count me in | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | wait, SF chinatown or Oakland chinatown? | 19:47 |
| philipballew | i assume sf | 19:47 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: I want a "I'm Local Badge" :P I think Three Years of living in the Mission and one in the Marina qualifies :P | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | debian dinner is in oakland chinatown | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: sure | 19:47 |
| philipballew | i will go to that as well | 19:47 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: SF | 19:47 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: I want to spend as little time in Oakland as possible :P | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | BigWhale: I'll firm up details of shopping on Sunday and blog about it later this week, and I'll also send details to the uds-announce list next week | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | about all our events | 19:48 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: what night is bonfire on Ocean Beach? | 19:48 |
| bkerensa | :d | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: ocean beach is a long ride | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | maybe saturday after uds ;) | 19:49 |
| bkerensa | Bart to Embarcadero then N-Judah for Win | 19:49 |
| bkerensa | :D | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | we can also go to the zoo! | 19:49 |
| bkerensa | Zoo! | 19:49 |
| BigWhale | pleia2, that would be great yes. :) | 19:49 |
| bkerensa | did they get rid of the monkeys that throw bad stuf | 19:49 |
| bkerensa | its been a long time | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | I don't know about monkeys throwing anything | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | their 42 year old grey seal died last month :( :( | 19:50 |
| philipballew | THats the only reason I was gonna bring my baseball glove | 19:50 |
| philipballew | :( | 19:50 |
| BigWhale | Hmm... Zoo ... | 19:50 |
| bkerensa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3tx29pSicI <-- | 19:50 |
| bkerensa | Monkey does crazy dance to trick you then throws bad things you | 19:51 |
| bkerensa | that guy | 19:51 |
| BigWhale | If they have any Whales, we can free them! | 19:51 |
| BigWhale | ;) | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: ah, the chimps are still in that spot, so maybe they do :) | 19:51 |
| bkerensa | :( | 19:51 |
| bkerensa | I guess its better then the Sac Zoo's Rhino | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | BigWhale: haha, we have whale cruises! | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | no captive whales though :) | 19:51 |
| bkerensa | :D | 19:51 |
| BigWhale | There better be no captive whale! ;) | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | sometimes whales get into the bay and we need to chase them out | 19:52 |
| BigWhale | Now I'm starting to get excited... I might actually see some of San Francisco this time. | 19:52 |
| philipballew | pleia2, Is the evebts page for official events, or can I add my in N Out trip im inviting people to there? | 19:53 |
| bkerensa | BigWhale: Treasure Island is fun to check out if you get a chance.... They have a bus that leaves downtown and goes there.... Its a old naval base and they have unique things to see | 19:53 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: the one in the wharf? | 19:53 |
| akk | Too bad there's no transit to the south bay ... a tour of the best surplus stores would be fun. | 19:53 |
| philipballew | I think so. Theres only one, maybe two if I am mastaken | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | philipballew: once you have all details and have it in loco.ubuntu.com you can put it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/OtherEvents | 19:54 |
| philipballew | akk, they do have nice ones there | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | philipballew: until then, just put it under ideas or somewhere on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q | 19:54 |
| philipballew | thanks pleia2 | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | I'm keeping the pages synced up for confirmed events that have details | 19:55 |
| philipballew | ill do it this week, after I type a few more papers | 19:55 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: http://g.co/maps/vdpp2 <-- I used to live there... I could walk to In N Out in like under 20 mins | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: ah, nice :) | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | I live right near Montgomery station, so I can pretty much get anywhere | 19:56 |
| philipballew | cheeseburger animal style whole grilled onions with chiles please! | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | this is me goofing off on IRC instead of working again | 19:57 |
| * pleia2 work for real | 19:57 | |
| bkerensa | pleia2: rent is to intense... :P was like 1200 a month and I had two room mates | 19:58 |
| bkerensa | IMHO if you dont go to the Bay Area too much I highly suggest skipping In and Out and go to Tommy's Joynt on Van Ness | 19:59 |
| bkerensa | they have been making amazing food there since the 50's | 19:59 |
| philipballew | I have never been there bkerensa whats it like? | 20:01 |
| bkerensa | http://www.tommysjoynt.com/menu.htm | 20:01 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: its a Hofbräu which is like a German Deli/Restaurant/Pub | 20:02 |
| bkerensa | so they make the freshest european dishes :) mostly of the german variety | 20:02 |
| philipballew | uasually every friday I ride i ride to in in out. except this friday is Critical Mass friday. | 20:02 |
| philipballew | I need a new burger place to check out | 20:02 |
| bkerensa | and have beer from everywhere in Europe... the building survived like two of SF's earthquakes | 20:02 |
| BigWhale | Oh, and if someone is into Photography, I'd like some pointers where are some shows where they sell photography equipment, I have a list that is a mile long or so... :) | 20:03 |
| BigWhale | s/shows/shops/ | 20:04 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: they will make you a huge roast beef sandwich with Au Jus | 20:04 |
| philipballew | BigWhale, where you coming from? | 20:04 |
| bkerensa | BigWhale: Go to China Town for some stuff... Idk I swear their is a illcit black market for electronics there :P | 20:04 |
| BigWhale | Europe, Slovenia | 20:04 |
| akk | BigWhale: I've bought a bunch of used stuff from KEH and B&H ... better prices than I've seen in shows. | 20:05 |
| bkerensa | ^ | 20:05 |
| philipballew | My "friend" bought a switchblade there in high school | 20:05 |
| BigWhale | bkerensa, :)) I already considered ordering a bunch of stuff from Amazon to the hotel :)) | 20:05 |
| bkerensa | BigWhale: :D | 20:06 |
| bkerensa | BigWhale: Slovenia is close to Bosnia yeah? | 20:07 |
| BigWhale | bkerensa, 4-6 hour drive yes. Depends on which part of Bosnia you want to see | 20:07 |
| pleia2 | BigWhale: I met you at UDS in Budapest, right? (I am now getting them all mixed up :)) | 20:07 |
| BigWhale | pleia2, I think so yes. I was the one with pink netbook. ;> | 20:08 |
| pleia2 | yep, me too | 20:08 |
| bkerensa | :D | 20:08 |
| BigWhale | pink netbooks are awesome! | 20:08 |
| philipballew | twins! | 20:08 |
| pleia2 | +1 | 20:08 |
| BigWhale | Budapest was quite nice. I had a nice little roadtrip | 20:10 |
| pleia2 | it was, did you make it to the hotel pool? | 20:10 |
| pleia2 | stunning | 20:10 |
| BigWhale | and I stayed at the BigFish hostel ... :> | 20:10 |
| pleia2 | ah :) | 20:11 |
| BigWhale | pleia2, nah, that hotel was way too pricey for me. :)) and I had to leave early because of work | 20:11 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:11 | |
| DonkeyHotei | wait, you're having a bonfire at ocean beach? | 20:13 |
| pleia2 | not really | 20:14 |
| DonkeyHotei | because that would be AWESOME | 20:14 |
| BigWhale | Anyway thanks for all the info so far. I'll drop by a few more times. I'll probably want a phone number or two from local people. I tend to get lost. Like, really lost. :> | 20:14 |
| DonkeyHotei | if you can stand the smell of the sewage that washes ashore, that is | 20:15 |
| BigWhale | DonkeyHotei, is that allowed? | 20:16 |
| DonkeyHotei | BigWhale: idk, but people do it sometimes | 20:16 |
| BigWhale | it is a beach then not much can really catch on fire, I guess... | 20:17 |
| akk | Maybe we could find some Oakland streetcorner with a trash can and have a bonfire there. | 20:17 |
| akk | :) | 20:17 |
| BigWhale | :))) | 20:17 |
| DonkeyHotei | yes, seawater doesn't burn | 20:20 |
| DonkeyHotei | unless you spill petroleum in it | 20:20 |
| BigWhale | you need a high temperature to ignite that. | 20:22 |
| BigWhale | afaik | 20:22 |
| * DonkeyHotei does not ignite the seawater | 20:22 | |
| bkerensa | DonkeyHotei: :D | 20:36 |
| bkerensa | DonkeyHotei: You know that Burning Man originated as a Bonfire on Ocean Beach? | 20:36 |
| DonkeyHotei | there is no beach in nevada | 20:37 |
| bkerensa | akk: Our luck the Occupy movement will try to Occupy UDS | 20:37 |
| bkerensa | Saying that sabdfl is the 1% | 20:37 |
| bkerensa | ;p | 20:37 |
| BigWhale | They are still occupying? | 20:41 |
| akk | It's supposedly starting up again after a break for winter. | 20:41 |
| bkerensa | akk: May 1st up here is supposedly what is the start of a bigger push then last time | 20:42 |
| BigWhale | I just asked around and here in Slovenia they had a winter break too. | 20:42 |
| BigWhale | Whiners. :> | 20:43 |
| bkerensa | akk: They tried to re-occupy our parks up here the other night but failed but when it happened the Police issued a statement saying that come May 1st the parks will be retaken by force | 20:43 |
| bkerensa | It took the police like three days struggle to get them out of the parks... they were bring tables and garbage cans as shields and surrounding and overwhelming the riot police | 20:44 |
| bkerensa | They even climbed on top of the huge light booms and turn them off and turned off the generators | 20:45 |
| DonkeyHotei | just as long as they don't occupy the toilet. | 20:48 |
| dragon | No events in Cali? :O http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:DefectiveByDesign/Day_Against_DRM_2012#Events | 21:08 |
| dax | they announced it a couple of days ago, which doesn't give a lot of time to organize an event, and it's targetted at college-age folks but takes place right before finals weeks | 21:09 |
| dax | (at least, the announcement I saw was, that page isn't) | 21:09 |
| akk | What's the current recommended java JRE package? I just discovered that the sun-java6-jre is left over from natty and isn't in oneiric. | 21:16 |
| philipballew | akk, I think opendjk works the best for most thongs, but you can install sun yourself from the sun site I think | 21:17 |
| dax | openjdk-6-jre | 21:17 |
| dax | default-jre always points to the recommended JRE, btw | 21:17 |
| akk | Ah, thanks. I wasn't seeing those -- they don't show up in aptitude search java. | 21:18 |
| akk | Even though they have Java in their descriptions. Some day I'll find a decent apt searching tool, or write one. | 21:19 |
| dax | aptitude search ~djava | 21:19 |
| dax | or maybe Java, dunno if it's case-sensitive | 21:19 |
| akk | Nope, neither of those finds it. What does ^d do? | 21:20 |
| dax | ~d searches description, theoretically | 21:21 |
| dax | works for me :| | 21:22 |
| dax | (though I'm on Debian) | 21:22 |
| akk | On oneiric, aptitude search ^djava | grep jre gives nothing at all. | 21:22 |
| philipballew | usually the same | 21:22 |
| dax | akk: ~, not ^ | 21:23 |
| philipballew | i can try 12.04 | 21:23 |
| akk | Ah! Yes, that finds it, though I have to quote it so it doesn't interpret ~ as a homedir. | 21:23 |
| akk | Thanks. | 21:24 |
| DonkeyHotei | the reason i don't like/use aptitude is that it doesn't share databases with other apt tools, like apt-get or synaptic | 21:24 |
| akk | Unfortunately apt-cache search is even worse than aptitude search (they're both bad). | 21:25 |
| akk | apt-cache search java gives 2057 lines, many of which don't have "java" in the name OR description. | 21:25 |
| DonkeyHotei | i filter apt-cache search through less, usually | 21:26 |
| akk | I don't want to page through 2057 lines any more than I want to use page up/down to read through them. :) | 21:26 |
| DonkeyHotei | less has a search key | 21:26 |
| akk | If I knew what to search for I'd be using | grep | 21:27 |
| DonkeyHotei | i use the search key in less instead because i see context at a glance and can change search terms over and over | 21:28 |
| zeidoz | grep would be the easier approach for me. | 21:35 |
| zeidoz | *tinker* *tinker* *sew* *sew* *shoot* *shoot* *spy* *spy* okay, less is more elegant with -p, especially since you can use "n" to cycle through keywords | 21:40 |
| DonkeyHotei | yep | 21:41 |
| MarkDude | pleia2, can you email the UDS list and ask about the baseball game? I have a coupon for Thurs the 10th- for tickets for 4$ | 22:55 |
| bkerensa | MarkDude: there is a UDS mailing list? :s | 22:57 |
| bkerensa | must be secret | 22:57 |
| * MarkDude clicked- dont want updates on it | 22:58 | |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: I'll include it in the email I send out this weekend | 23:38 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: want people to email you, or email me and have me pass along? | 23:38 |
| MarkDude | They can email me | 23:41 |
| MarkDude | Markdude@fedoraproject.org ;) | 23:41 |
| MarkDude | Gates open 1.5 hours before actual game starts | 23:42 |
| MarkDude | Also Veggie hotdogs are available | 23:42 |
| pleia2 | ok :) | 23:42 |
| * MarkDude is stoked about going - this should be fun - and a great learning opportunity | 23:42 | |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: when do they need to contact you by? | 23:45 |
| pleia2 | and will you escort people from the hotel, or should they take BART themselves? | 23:46 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: also Cloudflare's CEO said they can host some Ubuntu folk if anyone wants to see their offices and chat about nginx, cloud and Ubuntu :) | 23:50 |
| MarkDude | The monday of UDS | 23:54 |
| MarkDude | I can get them up until Tuesday I think | 23:54 |
| MarkDude | or Wed | 23:55 |
| MarkDude | So we can get up to 16 people | 23:55 |
| MarkDude | 25 is group discount | 23:55 |
| MarkDude | I plan on getting 8 of them for sure- beforehand | 23:55 |
| MarkDude | and can get 8 more if needed | 23:56 |
| MarkDude | I plan on being at UDS that day | 23:56 |
| MarkDude | So I can escort | 23:56 |
| MarkDude | :) | 23:56 |
| pleia2 | ok cool | 23:56 |
| pleia2 | sessions wrap up at 6PM, should I tell them to meet you in the lobby at 6:15 and "get there yourself" otherwise? | 23:56 |
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