[01:54] <Darkwing> MarkDude: you going to be at UDS?
[02:09] <MarkDude> yes
[02:10] <MarkDude> trying to get a few others to go
[02:10] <philipballew> MarkDude, do you know about a uds a's game?
[02:10] <philipballew> aint no party like a baseball party
[02:24] <MarkDude> Uh, do we have 25 people interested?
[02:24] <MarkDude> If we do we can get group price
[02:24] <MarkDude> Create sumthin on the wiki
[02:25] <MarkDude> Sat the 12th or maybe fri 11th
[02:26] <philipballew> Toronto or detroit if my mind serves me correctly
[03:38] <bkerensa> TIL that 20% of the Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Roster had Code Commits that were accepted into 12.04 LTS :)
[03:39] <bkerensa> :D Now if we could just be as social as the folks down in Sunny California :D
[03:39] <akk> Where do I report a bug on a page on help.ubuntu.com? Is there a launchpad project for that?
[03:42] <philipballew> bkerensa, am i still okay to join the loco for oscon?
[03:43] <bkerensa> philipballew: Still waiting on word back from O'Reilly.... They will let us know in June but I will discuss with you at OSCON
[03:44] <bkerensa> akk: Doc Team
[03:44] <akk> thanks, bkerensa
[03:44] <bkerensa> akk: In theory though we are working to nuke help.ubuntu.com :)
[03:44] <philipballew> bkerensa, alright, well have to talk about it at uds
[03:44] <bkerensa> and replace it with Sumo
[03:44] <akk> Ooh, I hope this page doesn't get nuked -- it's a great page modulo one very small error.
[03:45] <akk> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[03:45] <philipballew> akk, cant people edit them?
[03:45] <philipballew> there like wiki's right?
[03:46] <akk> There's an ubuntu wiki but I think it has wiki in the url, doesn't it?
[03:46] <bkerensa> akk: you can edit help.ubuntu.com :)
[03:47] <bkerensa> its on my to do list to plow through updating a lot of documentation in Q cycle
[03:48] <akk> Cool! If it ever logs me in (still waiting...) I'll fix the page myself.
[03:50] <philipballew> bkerensa, the future docs master
[03:51] <bkerensa> philipballew: not even :P it just needs to get done
[03:51] <bkerensa> and Doc Team is really barebone right now
[03:51] <bkerensa> there are less then 10 active people on the doc team
[03:51] <akk> Will existing help pages be migrated to sumo?
[03:51] <bkerensa> maybe more like 5 or less in reality
[03:51] <philipballew> bkerensa,  I need to find a area of ubuntu to help in. One that screems, this guy is hip, and knows whats up. Any ideas?
[03:51] <akk> Otherwise I want to make sure I capture this page -- I'm sure I'll want it again.
[03:52] <bkerensa> akk: Most certainly... The talks are still very early right now but Sumo is a good platform and Canonical wants it and some of us like it
[03:52] <bkerensa> :D
[03:52] <akk> whew
[03:52] <bkerensa> philipballew: Doc Work? Bug Control?
[03:53] <philipballew> i do need to learn better programing skills. Big work can help right? bkerensa
[03:54] <bkerensa> philipballew: Bug Work can... Start on bitesize and learn to package and keep on pushing on
[03:54] <philipballew> packaging is fun
[03:54] <akk> Yep. If you don't have programming projects you're already working on, fixing bugs can give you good motivation.
[03:55] <philipballew> Im to uncreative to program my own stuff these days
[03:55] <bkerensa> As soon as 12.10 Alpha 1 hits I can resubmit a bunch of merge proposals
[03:56]  * bkerensa kept fixing bugs past the string freeze
[03:57] <philipballew> bkerensa, what kinda bugs?
[05:01] <philipballew> The california channel has been talkative today. This is good.
[05:02] <DonkeyHotei> you mean on tv?
[05:04] <philipballew> no, here. but I do like the california pbs channel
[05:04] <philipballew> Hi, im huell howser and this is Californias gold!
[05:05] <DonkeyHotei> i was referring to The California Channel
[05:06] <DonkeyHotei> you know, from inside the capitol
[05:06] <philipballew> hum, I dont have cable
[05:07] <philipballew> I should look into that
[05:07] <DonkeyHotei> i didn't have cable in Sac, either
[05:07] <DonkeyHotei> no tv needed there to see the capitol
[05:08] <philipballew> sac is a nice city. Except when you want to do something...
[05:11] <DonkeyHotei> when wouldn't one want to do something?
[05:12] <philipballew> maybe when Im sleeping
[05:12] <philipballew> so basically sac is for people who want to sleep
[05:14] <DonkeyHotei> i've slept more here in SF
[16:00] <bkerensa> philipballew: So you wanted to do something really big in 12.10 right?
[16:00] <bkerensa> :D
[16:02] <philipballew> bkerensa, yeah! something that says, "wow, the phil person is good"
[16:04] <bkerensa> philipballew: well I am going to likely be leading the Doc Team's transition of help.ubuntu.com from its current platform to Sumo :) I will likely need help with this and will start planning at UDS
[16:04] <philipballew> I will be there. what is sumo?
[16:04] <philipballew> do I have to sumo wrestle bkerensa ? because he would win...
[16:05] <bkerensa> http://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/about/
[16:05] <bkerensa> Sumo is basically a Support Platform that Mozilla Develops :)
[16:05] <bkerensa> and its far superior to anything we have in the Ubuntu Community
[16:05] <philipballew> so it runs on just firefox?
[16:08] <philipballew> ah, i see what it is bkerensa. what all needs to be done?
[16:09] <bkerensa> philipballew: Migrate all the articles from help.ubuntu.com to the new platform
[16:09] <bkerensa> and test and configure the new platform in the cloud to ensure stability before pulling the plug on the old platform
[16:09] <bkerensa> its a pretty massive project since help.ubuntu.com has so much content
[16:10] <philipballew> bkerensa, what kind of skills do I need to do this?
[16:10] <philipballew> I have some skills
[16:10] <philipballew> num chuck skills
[16:11] <philipballew> bow hunting skills
[16:11] <philipballew> Im pretty good with a bow-staff
[16:11] <bkerensa> philipballew: all of the above with a little bit of level 1 necromancy
[16:12] <philipballew> That makes scene.
[16:13] <philipballew> I dont see why I cant. I am always looking for some new computer skill to put on my resume.
[16:14]  * akk plays with Mozilla's sumo ... seems to work fairly well but I wish they'd add "quoted phrase searches"
[16:15] <philipballew> what programing language do I need to know bkerensa
[16:16] <bkerensa> philipballew: none :)
[16:16] <bkerensa> philipballew: I will just need volunteers to help me with migrating the heaps of content in its entirety
[16:16] <philipballew> I do type docs for a living currently.
[16:16] <bkerensa> and for testing
[16:17] <philipballew> so yeah, I will help you lead the way here. Were gonna have to talk about it at UDS as well.
[16:17] <bkerensa> philipballew: indeed
[16:18] <philipballew> Is there a sumo session?
[16:18] <philipballew> and if there is, do I have to come dressed a a sumo wrestler?
[16:19] <bkerensa> philipballew: we will have to get a new one up... Canonistack instance died
[16:19] <philipballew> whats that?
[16:20] <akk> What's involved with migrating? They can't be imported automatically?
[16:20] <philipballew> a nice script to do it maybe?
[16:26] <philipballew> are there already meetings for uds scheduled around it bkerensa ?
[16:26] <bkerensa> philipballew: nope... I am not sure how that works?
[16:26] <bkerensa> pleia2: can I propose a meeting if I am leading a project in Q?
[16:27] <philipballew> bkerensa, yeah, you can I believe.
[16:27] <pleia2> bkerensa: anyone can propose a meeting, but you need to follow up with the team lead on that track to get it accepted
[16:27] <pleia2> and be sure to follow the blueprint creation specs outlined in jcastro's email
[16:35] <MarkDude> So UDS requires me to give my flight details
[16:35] <MarkDude> AWESOME
[16:36] <pleia2> arrival and departure from the summit should be required, but flight shouldn't be
[16:36] <pleia2> (they weren't when I signed up)
[16:36] <pleia2> MarkDude: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2012-April/001935.html
[16:36] <pleia2> instructions I sent to the list for registering
[16:36] <pleia2> (includes notes about arrival and departure)
[16:37] <pleia2> that's how they track how many days people will be there so they can plan the right amount of stuff each day
[16:37] <MarkDude> registerred
[16:38] <MarkDude> Had to put the times I will be in area
[16:38] <MarkDude> I put the week before- until August ;)
[16:39]  * MarkDude is hoping many people will be able to attend the Jono-palooza loud music show the weekend before
[16:39] <akk> Requiring arrival and departure shouldn't be required either -- or should be explained.
[16:39] <akk> I had no idea what I was supposed to put there, so I just put the start/end dates of UDS.
[16:40] <MarkDude> Shhhh, akk- your common sense need not apply here :D
[16:40] <philipballew> yeah, Im gonna spend 3 weeks after uds in the area, so I was unsure what they meant...
[16:40] <pleia2> yeah, it's certainly not designed for locals (the number of locals attending is usually a very small percentage)
[16:40] <MarkDude> altho it does make sense to make count for each day
[16:40] <akk> philipballew: I arrived in the area about 15 years ago, and I have no idea how many more years I'll spend here.
[16:40] <pleia2> MarkDude: please be nice, these things are largely run by community volunteers
[16:40] <pleia2> (summit itself is a community project)
[16:41] <akk> If they want to know which days of the conference you'll be there, why don't they just ask that?
[16:41] <philipballew> the bay area is to nice an area to leave
[16:41] <philipballew> are you communing or using a hotel?
[16:41] <akk> Even if I were flying, I'd be annoyed if they wanted to know how long I was going to stay afterward to explore the area -- none of their business.
[16:41] <pleia2> akk: it's also used to help them coordinate when they should have buses at the airport and inviting people on group outings on the weekends
[16:42]  * philipballew give up his bed for 20 a night, 50 I leave sleep on the other side of the room, and 100 I leave the room completely...
[16:42] <akk> pleia2: For airport buses, it shouldn't be required of people not flying; for group outings, a "which days will you be there" would work better.
[16:43] <philipballew> maybe if your a Canonical employee they would
[16:43] <pleia2> they are looking for more volunteers to help with summit :) it's written in python in django
[16:43] <MarkDude> A local button would make sense, but its cool. For a moment I thougt they were requirin flight #- and some take trains.
[16:43] <MarkDude> Hella makes sense tho for days.
[16:43] <philipballew> kevin, the guy I run the4 sd ubuntu hour with has to show up a week from today for uds and has more to worry about as hes a employee for instance
[16:43] <akk> Initially I got a page that was asking questions like that, and passport #. But then when I went back, I got a different page that didn't ask those.
[16:43] <MarkDude> I mean many folks might just be able to make weekend- tuesday
[16:44] <MarkDude> or thur- weekend
[16:44] <MarkDude> Without that info- I bet it would be much harder to plan
[16:45] <philipballew> Im taking the train so the flight doesnt even apply
[16:46] <MarkDude> +1 train
[16:46]  * MarkDude loves the train
[16:47] <akk> Trains rock.
[16:47] <philipballew> who are you guys? Sheldon Cooper?
[16:47]  * philipballew hides when they dont get the tv reference
[16:48] <pleia2> I'm a member of the market street railway :D
[16:48] <pleia2> I actually didn't know trains were a geek thing until watching TBBT
[16:48]  * akk doesn't get the reference <- luddite
[16:49] <pleia2> character from The Big Bang Theory, a show about some college physics researchers and their geekiness
[16:49] <pleia2> he loves trains
[16:49] <akk> Ah. That's a show I'd definitely watch if I had cable, but, oh well.
[16:49] <philipballew> so MarkDude will you be trolling with your fedora shirt?
[16:49] <pleia2> it's OTA
[16:49] <pleia2> CBS
[16:50] <akk> Can't pick up any broadcast here ... maybe we could if we bought a huge antenna.
[16:50] <pleia2> ah
[16:50] <philipballew> alot
[16:50] <akk> Also, our TV is old and not digital and we never bought one of those converter dealies.
[16:50] <pleia2> philipballew: I assure you, wearing a fedora shirt at UDS is not trolling
[16:50] <pleia2> it's a very welcoming conference, and we want diversity in attendees
[16:51] <pleia2> it's nice and healthy to get perspective from how other distros are doing :)
[16:51] <philipballew> oh, sounds good then, Ill be sure to bring my windows server 2003 shirt then.
[16:52] <pleia2> I really hope you're not comparing fedora to windows
[16:52] <philipballew> no, im not :)
[16:52] <pleia2> fedora is another community-driven open source distribution that has a lot of similarites to ubuntu
[16:52]  * philipballew runs fedora
[16:52] <pleia2> windows... I'm afraid we can't learn much from how they run their community (do they have one?)
[16:53] <philipballew> shh, dont tell the ubuntu people
[16:53] <pleia2> it's really not this big war you're making it out to be ;)
[16:53] <pleia2> we should all run what works well for us, even if we contribute to both
[16:53] <akk> Linux distro people are all on the same side!
[16:53] <akk> The differences are really pretty small.
[16:54]  * philipballew should never be takin seriously
[16:54] <pleia2> philipballew: it reflects poorly on us all when we play the distros against each other
[16:54] <pleia2> even joking (since it's hard to tell)
[16:55] <philipballew> alright, will refrain. epically at uds.
[16:55] <pleia2> there is plenty of that done by journalists and others wanting to cash in on inflammatory headlines, as members of this project we really don't need to feed the flames
[16:56] <MarkDude> philipballew, I will wear my Beefy Miracle shirt
[16:56] <philipballew> yeah, my google plus page was littered with a few articles last week about why Ubuntu is not linux and ubuntu is a evil distro... it seems odd that beople can take offence when you run a distro different then yours
[16:56] <MarkDude> And next a Free Geek shirt
[16:57] <MarkDude> then I will wear an *I    F    Freedom* shirt
[16:57] <MarkDude> trolling tho, nope
[16:57] <philipballew> yeah, dont worry, Im just messing with the trolling thing. I know that.
[16:58]  * MarkDude only takes excpetion to Ubuntu NOTusing the word LINUX. And that silly phrase- the Ubuntu Kernel
[16:58] <MarkDude> But I am more focused on common issues
[16:58] <akk> Avoiding the word Linux is bad, yeah.
[16:59] <pleia2> MarkDude: that's how we talk about kernels, even the Debian release notes reference the Debian Kernel, it means that it has specific patches for the distribution
[16:59] <pleia2> and it's not avoided, the release notes everyone complains about said:
[16:59] <pleia2> Ubuntu Kernel
[16:59] <pleia2> Beta-2 includes the 3.2.0-20.33 Ubuntu kernel which is based on the v3.2.12 upstream stable Linux kernel.
[16:59] <MarkDude> If there is a place to discuss the dropping the word Linux. I will do it there
[16:59] <philipballew> I petitioned for it to be called philbuntu  a few releases ago, and for some reason they didn't go for it.
[17:00] <philipballew> The website doesnt say linux on it.
[17:00] <MarkDude> http://www.ubuntu.com/ ctrl f Linux- ZERO results
[17:00] <akk> Just saying "The Ubuntu kernel" seems reasonable -- it does have changes from kernel.org kernels.
[17:00] <pleia2> MarkDude: try that on http://www.debian.org/
[17:00] <akk> That is strange, not mentioning Linux on the home page.
[17:00] <philipballew> most ubuntu users know there using linux
[17:00] <MarkDude> http://fedoraproject.org/ 2 results
[17:01] <pleia2> MarkDude: try that on http://www.redhat.com/
[17:01] <akk> philipballew: Do most prospective Ubuntu users know it's Linux?
[17:01] <philipballew> philip@PrincessLeia:~$ uname -s
[17:01] <pleia2> I know it's fun to single out Ubuntu, but they aren't the only one
[17:01] <philipballew> Linux
[17:01] <MarkDude> fair enough, were I going to Debian or RH event- I would be more concerned
[17:01] <philipballew> its true, there not.
[17:02] <MarkDude> Dont think I dont hard time RH
[17:02] <MarkDude> :D
[17:02] <akk> If I was marketing a distro, I'd make that a selling point -- something like "Stable, secure Linux kernel, proven on umpteen million systems from Android phones to Google servers."
[17:02] <philipballew> not every ubuntu user runs uname though
[17:02] <akk> Being Linux is a *good* thing.
[17:02] <pleia2> akk: yeah, I am often surprised that they don't leverage Android more, it's the most popular linux ever (one of the most popular OSes ever)
[17:02] <pleia2> but most people are shocked when I tell them android is linux
[17:02]  * MarkDude does not usually use word Linux when talking about Partimus- I tell folks it i computers that help kds
[17:03] <philipballew> I think people hear linux and think "complicated and command line scares me"
[17:03] <pleia2> MarkDude: "Free Culture" is what we want to stress with Partimus
[17:03] <akk> pleia2: And it makes "Linux" less scary -- "See? You're already using Linux, it's not just for geeks."
[17:03] <akk> (Setting aside the question of whether most Android users are geeks :)
[17:03] <MarkDude> Good point on Android
[17:03]  * pleia2 back2work
[17:05] <MarkDude> For the record RH has it once on their site
[17:06] <MarkDude> And Puppy wins over all- its always called Puppy Linux
[17:06] <MarkDude> Too bad they dont have gatherings :)
[17:07] <MarkDude> UDS should be fun, too bad I dont have a penguin suit for it
[17:07] <akk> Puppy gatherings sound fun ... everybody could chase balls and fetch sticks. :)
[17:07] <akk> What happened to the penguin suit?
[17:09] <MarkDude> It was stolen at last OSCON
[17:10] <MarkDude> I was with Leslie hawthorn, and some OSU lab folks
[17:10] <MarkDude> It was hanging up at coatrack
[17:10] <MarkDude> and was gone
[17:10] <akk> Oh no!
[17:10] <akk> :(
[17:11] <MarkDude> Daddy Shadowman will buy another. But I have been debating if I want to be known as the dude in the Penguin suit
[17:11]  * MarkDude has decided yes
[17:11] <MarkDude> Well 1st I would like to be known as * the Communitizer*
[19:32] <bkerensa> pleia2: For about a $200 investment or so a LoCo could produce printed sleeves and CD's for about 5 cents per CD or $25 per 500
[19:32] <bkerensa> they wouldnt be as shiny and glossy as the Canonical printed ones but definitely way cheaper
[19:34] <pleia2> bkerensa: we use the paper sleeves
[19:34] <pleia2> if we had $200 (which we don't) there are things we'd rather spend the money on, like pressed CDs
[19:34] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah I was asking our designer guy to transition our logo to your origami thing
[19:34] <bkerensa> :D
[19:35] <bkerensa> but he didn't think people would take burned copies serious so we found a Canon printer that prints onto CD's
[19:35] <pleia2> if we had nice pressed cds it might be worth upgrading the packaging too, but a nice cover is only really impressive if your CD inside isn't marked with a sharpie ;)
[19:36] <pleia2> but at the end of the day we really can't afford either
[19:36] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah thats why we were discussing the $99 printer that makes nice printed cd's
[19:36] <bkerensa> :d
[19:36] <bkerensa> and a box of paper sleeves is 13
[19:36] <bkerensa> $13*
[19:36] <pleia2> I've also found CDs going the way of the dinosaur, we do a lot more with USB sticks these days
[19:36] <pleia2> now cheap USB sticks would be good :)
[19:36] <bkerensa> pleia2: USB's are $5 a pop
[19:36] <bkerensa> :D
[19:37] <bkerensa> I think the cheapest I have found for custom printed 4GB USB's is $5
[19:37] <pleia2> that's pretty cheap
[19:37] <greg-g> what about 1 gig?
[19:37] <greg-g> or do they even make them anymore? :)
[19:37] <pleia2> 2G would be enough
[19:37] <pleia2> but yeah, I don't think they make such small ones in bulk anymore
[19:37] <pleia2> hi greg-g :)
[19:37] <akk> Strangely, USB sticks don't seem to be any cheaper in bulk than singly.
[19:37] <bkerensa> greg-g: no idea... the CTO at Linbit gave me and our asst lead two beer chalices and some thumbdrives and said they talked them down to $5 per 4GB drive for 250
[19:38] <bkerensa> so if you bought 1000 then maybe even cheaper
[19:38] <akk> You'd think there would be scads of places selling 1G sticks in bulk packs, but I haven't found any.
[19:38]  * akk has been looking for a cheap 10-pack that a class of high schoolers can use to boot ubuntu
[19:38] <philipballew> there cheap enough anyway
[19:38] <bkerensa> pleia2: What we really need is a Public PXE system
[19:39] <bkerensa> some way to network install but on a global scale
[19:39] <greg-g> heya pleia2
[19:39] <greg-g> (sorry, missed that) :)
[19:39] <philipballew> bkerensa, you should set that up
[19:39] <bkerensa> akk: Costco?
[19:39] <bkerensa> philipballew: I would not know where to start I have not yet done a PXE install... always cd-rom or usb
[19:39] <akk> bkerensa: Dunno, but after a $60 membership fee it wouldn't be all that cheap (and $60 just to get in to find out is even worse).
[19:40] <akk> Or whatever they're charging now, it was something like that last I checked.
[19:40] <philipballew> i set up a local pxe server once. Was not to hard
[19:40] <bkerensa> akk: :P I have a Costco membership and if worse comes to worse I could go with you to the one in SF during UDS?
[19:40] <akk> bkerensa: Does costco actually have a deal on usb sticks? If they do, I just might take you up on that.
[19:40] <bkerensa> they have pretty good prices like a 8 pack of 4GB for 25 or something idk
[19:41] <akk> That would be excellent.
[19:41] <bkerensa> akk: They really do but its like seasonal?
[19:41] <bkerensa> lol
[19:41] <bkerensa> kind of like ipods and such
[19:41] <bkerensa> no idea when they have them and when they dont :D
[19:41] <akk> 8 is close enough, I could buy a couple of extras from microcenter or donate a couple of my own.
[19:41] <bkerensa> might be good to call ahead and ask them
[19:41] <pleia2> welcome BigWhale
[19:41] <BigWhale> Greetings!
[19:42] <Faqtotum> thar he blows
[19:43] <BigWhale> So, I was wondering. I'll be at UDS and I'm flying in to SFO on 5th. It will be my third time in the city and I never really get to see any of it. Are there any local people willing to show me around and stuff? Hang out some?
[19:43] <philipballew> Its always a whale of a tale with BigWhale
[19:43] <pleia2> BigWhale: yep! on wednesday night we're offering some guided tourism, and I'll be doing shopping in SF with some folks on Sunday
[19:44] <pleia2> BigWhale: some other events we're doing are being collected here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q
[19:44] <pleia2> shopping == downtown SF
[19:44] <BigWhale> Sunday 6th?
[19:44] <pleia2> yep
[19:44] <BigWhale> Awesome!
[19:45] <pleia2> downtown SF is an easy train/subway ride away from UDS
[19:45] <pleia2> we made a public transit page too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/PublicTransit
[19:45] <philipballew> Just look for the Im local badges
[19:45] <bkerensa> BigWhale: I am not "local" but I am a native Californian and know SF and most of the bay like the back of my hand
[19:45] <pleia2> oh yes, California team members will be wearing "I'm a Local" badges at UDS itself :)
[19:46] <philipballew> Were gonna be wearing them
[19:46] <bkerensa> I am going to be doing a China Town excursion
[19:46] <philipballew> bkerensa, when is that?
[19:46] <pleia2> bkerensa: bay area debian announcement: http://bad.debian.net/list/2012-April/003491.html maybe talk to Michael Paoli about attaching more chinatown to that?
[19:46] <bkerensa> philipballew: when I make a informal detour with like minded souls who enjoy back alley chinese food :P
[19:46] <pleia2> (may be too late though)
[19:46] <philipballew> I will be going to In N Out at least one night so all people wanting a burger can join.
[19:46] <BigWhale> Now I'm glad I booked one flight earlier. :)
[19:46] <pleia2> err, too late == to late at night
[19:46] <philipballew> bkerensa, count me in
[19:47] <pleia2> wait, SF chinatown or Oakland chinatown?
[19:47] <philipballew> i assume sf
[19:47] <bkerensa> pleia2: I want a "I'm Local Badge" :P I think Three Years of living in the Mission and one in the Marina qualifies :P
[19:47] <pleia2> debian dinner is in oakland chinatown
[19:47] <pleia2> bkerensa: sure
[19:47] <philipballew> i will go to that as well
[19:47] <bkerensa> pleia2: SF
[19:47] <bkerensa> pleia2: I want to spend as little time in Oakland as possible :P
[19:48] <pleia2> BigWhale: I'll firm up details of shopping on Sunday and blog about it later this week, and I'll also send details to the uds-announce list next week
[19:48] <pleia2> about all our events
[19:48] <bkerensa> pleia2: what night is bonfire on Ocean Beach?
[19:48] <bkerensa> :d
[19:49] <pleia2> bkerensa: ocean beach is a long ride
[19:49] <pleia2> maybe saturday after uds ;)
[19:49] <bkerensa> Bart to Embarcadero then N-Judah for Win
[19:49] <bkerensa> :D
[19:49] <pleia2> we can also go to the zoo!
[19:49] <bkerensa> Zoo!
[19:49] <BigWhale> pleia2, that would be great yes. :)
[19:49] <bkerensa> did they get rid of the monkeys that throw bad stuf
[19:49] <bkerensa> its been a long time
[19:50] <pleia2> I don't know about monkeys throwing anything
[19:50] <pleia2> their 42 year old grey seal died last month :( :(
[19:50] <philipballew> THats the only reason I was gonna bring my baseball glove
[19:50] <philipballew> :(
[19:50] <BigWhale> Hmm... Zoo ...
[19:50] <bkerensa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3tx29pSicI <--
[19:51] <bkerensa> Monkey does crazy dance to trick you then throws bad things you
[19:51] <bkerensa> that guy
[19:51] <BigWhale> If they have any Whales, we can free them!
[19:51] <BigWhale> ;)
[19:51] <pleia2> bkerensa: ah, the chimps are still in that spot, so maybe they do :)
[19:51] <bkerensa> :(
[19:51] <bkerensa> I guess its better then the Sac Zoo's Rhino
[19:51] <pleia2> BigWhale: haha, we have whale cruises!
[19:51] <pleia2> no captive whales though :)
[19:51] <bkerensa> :D
[19:52] <BigWhale> There better be no captive whale! ;)
[19:52] <pleia2> sometimes whales get into the bay and we need to chase them out
[19:52] <BigWhale> Now I'm starting to get excited... I might actually see some of San Francisco this time.
[19:53] <philipballew> pleia2, Is the evebts page for official events, or can I add my in N Out trip im inviting people to there?
[19:53] <bkerensa> BigWhale: Treasure Island is fun to check out if you get a chance.... They have a bus that leaves downtown and goes there.... Its a old naval base and they have unique things to see
[19:53] <bkerensa> philipballew: the one in the wharf?
[19:53] <akk> Too bad there's no transit to the south bay ... a tour of the best surplus stores would be fun.
[19:54] <philipballew> I think so. Theres only one, maybe two if I am mastaken
[19:54] <pleia2> philipballew: once you have all details and have it in loco.ubuntu.com you can put it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/OtherEvents
[19:54] <philipballew> akk, they do have nice ones there
[19:54] <pleia2> philipballew: until then, just put it under ideas or somewhere on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q
[19:54] <philipballew> thanks pleia2
[19:55] <pleia2> I'm keeping the pages synced up for confirmed events that have details
[19:55] <philipballew> ill do it this week, after I type a few more papers
[19:56] <bkerensa> pleia2: http://g.co/maps/vdpp2 <-- I used to live there... I could walk to In N Out in like under 20 mins
[19:56] <pleia2> bkerensa: ah, nice :)
[19:56] <pleia2> I live right near Montgomery station, so I can pretty much get anywhere
[19:56] <philipballew> cheeseburger animal style whole grilled onions with chiles please!
[19:57] <pleia2> this is me goofing off on IRC instead of working again
[19:57]  * pleia2 work for real
[19:58] <bkerensa> pleia2: rent is to intense... :P was like 1200 a month and I had two room mates
[19:59] <bkerensa> IMHO if you dont go to the Bay Area too much I highly suggest skipping In and Out and go to Tommy's Joynt on Van Ness
[19:59] <bkerensa> they have been making amazing food there since the 50's
[20:01] <philipballew> I have never been there bkerensa whats it like?
[20:01] <bkerensa> http://www.tommysjoynt.com/menu.htm
[20:02] <bkerensa> philipballew: its a Hofbräu which is like a German Deli/Restaurant/Pub
[20:02] <bkerensa> so they make the freshest european dishes :) mostly of the german variety
[20:02] <philipballew> uasually every friday I ride i ride to in in out. except this friday is Critical Mass friday.
[20:02] <philipballew> I need a new burger place to check out
[20:02] <bkerensa> and have beer from everywhere in Europe... the building survived like two of SF's earthquakes
[20:03] <BigWhale> Oh, and if someone is into Photography, I'd like some pointers where are some shows where they sell photography equipment, I have a list that is a mile long or so... :)
[20:04] <BigWhale> s/shows/shops/
[20:04] <bkerensa> philipballew: they will make you a huge roast beef sandwich with Au Jus
[20:04] <philipballew> BigWhale, where you coming from?
[20:04] <bkerensa> BigWhale: Go to China Town for some stuff... Idk I swear their is a illcit black market for electronics there :P
[20:04] <BigWhale> Europe, Slovenia
[20:05] <akk> BigWhale: I've bought a bunch of used stuff from KEH and B&H ... better prices than I've seen in shows.
[20:05] <bkerensa> ^
[20:05] <philipballew> My "friend" bought a switchblade there in high school
[20:05] <BigWhale> bkerensa, :)) I already considered ordering a bunch of stuff from Amazon to the hotel :))
[20:06] <bkerensa> BigWhale: :D
[20:07] <bkerensa> BigWhale: Slovenia is close to Bosnia yeah?
[20:07] <BigWhale> bkerensa, 4-6 hour drive yes. Depends on which part of Bosnia you want to see
[20:07] <pleia2> BigWhale: I met you at UDS in Budapest, right? (I am now getting them all mixed up :))
[20:08] <BigWhale> pleia2, I think so yes. I was the one with pink netbook. ;>
[20:08] <pleia2> yep, me too
[20:08] <bkerensa> :D
[20:08] <BigWhale> pink netbooks are awesome!
[20:08] <philipballew> twins!
[20:08] <pleia2> +1
[20:10] <BigWhale> Budapest was quite nice. I had a nice little roadtrip
[20:10] <pleia2> it was, did you make it to the hotel pool?
[20:10] <pleia2> stunning
[20:10] <BigWhale> and I stayed at the BigFish hostel ... :>
[20:11] <pleia2> ah :)
[20:11] <BigWhale> pleia2, nah, that hotel was way too pricey for me. :)) and I had to leave early because of work
[20:11]  * pleia2 nods
[20:13] <DonkeyHotei> wait, you're having a bonfire at ocean beach?
[20:14] <pleia2> not really
[20:14] <DonkeyHotei> because that would be AWESOME
[20:14] <BigWhale> Anyway thanks for all the info so far. I'll drop by a few more times. I'll probably want a phone number or two from local people. I tend to get lost. Like, really lost. :>
[20:15] <DonkeyHotei> if you can stand the smell of the sewage that washes ashore, that is
[20:16] <BigWhale> DonkeyHotei, is that allowed?
[20:16] <DonkeyHotei> BigWhale: idk, but people do it sometimes
[20:17] <BigWhale> it is a beach then not much can really catch on fire, I guess...
[20:17] <akk> Maybe we could find some Oakland streetcorner with a trash can and have a bonfire there.
[20:17] <akk> :)
[20:17] <BigWhale> :)))
[20:20] <DonkeyHotei> yes, seawater doesn't burn
[20:20] <DonkeyHotei> unless you spill petroleum in it
[20:22] <BigWhale> you need a high temperature to ignite that.
[20:22] <BigWhale> afaik
[20:22]  * DonkeyHotei does not ignite the seawater
[20:36] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: :D
[20:36] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: You know that Burning Man originated as a Bonfire on Ocean Beach?
[20:37] <DonkeyHotei> there is no beach in nevada
[20:37] <bkerensa> akk: Our luck the Occupy movement will try to Occupy UDS
[20:37] <bkerensa> Saying that sabdfl is the 1%
[20:37] <bkerensa> ;p
[20:41] <BigWhale> They are still occupying?
[20:41] <akk> It's supposedly starting up again after a break for winter.
[20:42] <bkerensa> akk: May 1st up here is supposedly what is the start of a bigger push then last time
[20:42] <BigWhale> I just asked around and here in Slovenia they had a winter break too.
[20:43] <BigWhale> Whiners. :>
[20:43] <bkerensa> akk: They tried to re-occupy our parks up here the other night but failed but when it happened the Police issued a statement saying that come May 1st the parks will be retaken by force
[20:44] <bkerensa> It took the police like three days struggle to get them out of the parks... they were bring tables and garbage cans as shields and surrounding and overwhelming the riot police
[20:45] <bkerensa> They even climbed on top of the huge light booms and turn them off and turned off the generators
[20:48] <DonkeyHotei> just as long as they don't occupy the toilet.
[21:08] <dragon> No events in Cali? :O http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:DefectiveByDesign/Day_Against_DRM_2012#Events
[21:09] <dax> they announced it a couple of days ago, which doesn't give a lot of time to organize an event, and it's targetted at college-age folks but takes place right before finals weeks
[21:09] <dax> (at least, the announcement I saw was, that page isn't)
[21:16] <akk> What's the current recommended java JRE package? I just discovered that the sun-java6-jre is left over from natty and isn't in oneiric.
[21:17] <philipballew> akk, I think opendjk works the best for most thongs, but you can install sun yourself from the sun site I think
[21:17] <dax> openjdk-6-jre
[21:17] <dax> default-jre always points to the recommended JRE, btw
[21:18] <akk> Ah, thanks. I wasn't seeing those -- they don't show up in aptitude search java.
[21:19] <akk> Even though they have Java in their descriptions. Some day I'll find a decent apt searching tool, or write one.
[21:19] <dax> aptitude search ~djava
[21:19] <dax> or maybe Java, dunno if it's case-sensitive
[21:20] <akk> Nope, neither of those finds it. What does ^d do?
[21:21] <dax> ~d searches description, theoretically
[21:22] <dax> works for me :|
[21:22] <dax> (though I'm on Debian)
[21:22] <akk> On oneiric, aptitude search ^djava | grep jre gives nothing at all.
[21:22] <philipballew> usually the same
[21:23] <dax> akk: ~, not ^
[21:23] <philipballew> i can try 12.04
[21:23] <akk> Ah! Yes, that finds it, though I have to quote it so it doesn't interpret ~ as a homedir.
[21:24] <akk> Thanks.
[21:24] <DonkeyHotei> the reason i don't like/use aptitude is that it doesn't share databases with other apt tools, like apt-get or synaptic
[21:25] <akk> Unfortunately apt-cache search is even worse than aptitude search (they're both bad).
[21:25] <akk> apt-cache search java gives 2057 lines, many of which don't have "java" in the name OR description.
[21:26] <DonkeyHotei> i filter apt-cache search through less, usually
[21:26] <akk> I don't want to page through 2057 lines any more than I want to use page up/down to read through them. :)
[21:26] <DonkeyHotei> less has a search key
[21:27] <akk> If I knew what to search for I'd be using | grep
[21:28] <DonkeyHotei> i use the search key in less instead because i see context at a glance and can change search terms over and over
[21:35] <zeidoz> grep would be the easier approach for me.
[21:40] <zeidoz> *tinker* *tinker* *sew* *sew* *shoot* *shoot* *spy* *spy* okay, less is more elegant with -p, especially since you can use "n" to cycle through keywords
[21:41] <DonkeyHotei> yep
[22:55] <MarkDude> pleia2, can you email the UDS list and ask about the baseball game? I have a coupon for Thurs the 10th- for tickets for 4$
[22:57] <bkerensa> MarkDude: there is a UDS mailing list? :s
[22:57] <bkerensa> must be secret
[22:58]  * MarkDude clicked- dont want updates on it
[23:38] <pleia2> MarkDude: I'll include it in the email I send out this weekend
[23:38] <pleia2> MarkDude: want people to email you, or email me and have me pass along?
[23:41] <MarkDude> They can email me
[23:41] <MarkDude> Markdude@fedoraproject.org ;)
[23:42] <MarkDude> Gates open 1.5 hours before actual game starts
[23:42] <MarkDude> Also Veggie hotdogs are available
[23:42] <pleia2> ok :)
[23:42]  * MarkDude is stoked about going - this should be fun - and a great learning opportunity
[23:45] <pleia2> MarkDude: when do they need to contact you by?
[23:46] <pleia2> and will you escort people from the hotel, or should they take BART themselves?
[23:50] <bkerensa> pleia2: also Cloudflare's CEO said they can host some Ubuntu folk if anyone wants to see their offices and chat about nginx, cloud and Ubuntu :)
[23:54] <MarkDude> The monday of UDS
[23:54] <MarkDude> I can get them up until Tuesday I think
[23:55] <MarkDude> or Wed
[23:55] <MarkDude> So we can get up to 16 people
[23:55] <MarkDude> 25 is group discount
[23:55] <MarkDude> I plan on getting 8 of them for sure- beforehand
[23:56] <MarkDude> and can get 8 more if needed
[23:56] <MarkDude> I plan on being at UDS that day
[23:56] <MarkDude> So I can escort
[23:56] <MarkDude> :)
[23:56] <pleia2> ok cool
[23:56] <pleia2> sessions wrap up at 6PM, should I tell them to meet you in the lobby at 6:15 and "get there yourself" otherwise?