[01:54] MarkDude: you going to be at UDS? [02:09] yes [02:10] trying to get a few others to go [02:10] MarkDude, do you know about a uds a's game? [02:10] aint no party like a baseball party [02:24] Uh, do we have 25 people interested? [02:24] If we do we can get group price [02:24] Create sumthin on the wiki [02:25] Sat the 12th or maybe fri 11th [02:26] Toronto or detroit if my mind serves me correctly [03:38] TIL that 20% of the Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Roster had Code Commits that were accepted into 12.04 LTS :) [03:39] :D Now if we could just be as social as the folks down in Sunny California :D [03:39] Where do I report a bug on a page on help.ubuntu.com? Is there a launchpad project for that? [03:42] bkerensa, am i still okay to join the loco for oscon? [03:43] philipballew: Still waiting on word back from O'Reilly.... They will let us know in June but I will discuss with you at OSCON [03:44] akk: Doc Team [03:44] thanks, bkerensa [03:44] akk: In theory though we are working to nuke help.ubuntu.com :) [03:44] bkerensa, alright, well have to talk about it at uds [03:44] and replace it with Sumo [03:44] Ooh, I hope this page doesn't get nuked -- it's a great page modulo one very small error. [03:45] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization [03:45] akk, cant people edit them? [03:45] there like wiki's right? [03:46] There's an ubuntu wiki but I think it has wiki in the url, doesn't it? [03:46] akk: you can edit help.ubuntu.com :) [03:47] its on my to do list to plow through updating a lot of documentation in Q cycle [03:48] Cool! If it ever logs me in (still waiting...) I'll fix the page myself. [03:50] bkerensa, the future docs master [03:51] philipballew: not even :P it just needs to get done [03:51] and Doc Team is really barebone right now [03:51] there are less then 10 active people on the doc team [03:51] Will existing help pages be migrated to sumo? [03:51] maybe more like 5 or less in reality [03:51] bkerensa, I need to find a area of ubuntu to help in. One that screems, this guy is hip, and knows whats up. Any ideas? [03:51] Otherwise I want to make sure I capture this page -- I'm sure I'll want it again. [03:52] akk: Most certainly... The talks are still very early right now but Sumo is a good platform and Canonical wants it and some of us like it [03:52] :D [03:52] whew [03:52] philipballew: Doc Work? Bug Control? [03:53] i do need to learn better programing skills. Big work can help right? bkerensa [03:54] philipballew: Bug Work can... Start on bitesize and learn to package and keep on pushing on [03:54] packaging is fun [03:54] Yep. If you don't have programming projects you're already working on, fixing bugs can give you good motivation. [03:55] Im to uncreative to program my own stuff these days [03:55] As soon as 12.10 Alpha 1 hits I can resubmit a bunch of merge proposals [03:56] * bkerensa kept fixing bugs past the string freeze [03:57] bkerensa, what kinda bugs? [05:01] The california channel has been talkative today. This is good. [05:02] you mean on tv? [05:04] no, here. but I do like the california pbs channel [05:04] Hi, im huell howser and this is Californias gold! [05:05] i was referring to The California Channel [05:06] you know, from inside the capitol [05:06] hum, I dont have cable [05:07] I should look into that [05:07] i didn't have cable in Sac, either [05:07] no tv needed there to see the capitol [05:08] sac is a nice city. Except when you want to do something... [05:11] when wouldn't one want to do something? [05:12] maybe when Im sleeping [05:12] so basically sac is for people who want to sleep [05:14] i've slept more here in SF [16:00] philipballew: So you wanted to do something really big in 12.10 right? [16:00] :D [16:02] bkerensa, yeah! something that says, "wow, the phil person is good" [16:04] philipballew: well I am going to likely be leading the Doc Team's transition of help.ubuntu.com from its current platform to Sumo :) I will likely need help with this and will start planning at UDS [16:04] I will be there. what is sumo? [16:04] do I have to sumo wrestle bkerensa ? because he would win... [16:05] http://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/about/ [16:05] Sumo is basically a Support Platform that Mozilla Develops :) [16:05] and its far superior to anything we have in the Ubuntu Community [16:05] so it runs on just firefox? [16:08] ah, i see what it is bkerensa. what all needs to be done? [16:09] philipballew: Migrate all the articles from help.ubuntu.com to the new platform [16:09] and test and configure the new platform in the cloud to ensure stability before pulling the plug on the old platform [16:09] its a pretty massive project since help.ubuntu.com has so much content [16:10] bkerensa, what kind of skills do I need to do this? [16:10] I have some skills [16:10] num chuck skills [16:11] bow hunting skills [16:11] Im pretty good with a bow-staff [16:11] philipballew: all of the above with a little bit of level 1 necromancy [16:12] That makes scene. [16:13] I dont see why I cant. I am always looking for some new computer skill to put on my resume. [16:14] * akk plays with Mozilla's sumo ... seems to work fairly well but I wish they'd add "quoted phrase searches" [16:15] what programing language do I need to know bkerensa [16:16] philipballew: none :) [16:16] philipballew: I will just need volunteers to help me with migrating the heaps of content in its entirety [16:16] I do type docs for a living currently. [16:16] and for testing [16:17] so yeah, I will help you lead the way here. Were gonna have to talk about it at UDS as well. [16:17] philipballew: indeed [16:18] Is there a sumo session? [16:18] and if there is, do I have to come dressed a a sumo wrestler? [16:19] philipballew: we will have to get a new one up... Canonistack instance died [16:19] whats that? [16:20] What's involved with migrating? They can't be imported automatically? [16:20] a nice script to do it maybe? [16:26] are there already meetings for uds scheduled around it bkerensa ? [16:26] philipballew: nope... I am not sure how that works? [16:26] pleia2: can I propose a meeting if I am leading a project in Q? [16:27] bkerensa, yeah, you can I believe. [16:27] bkerensa: anyone can propose a meeting, but you need to follow up with the team lead on that track to get it accepted [16:27] and be sure to follow the blueprint creation specs outlined in jcastro's email [16:35] So UDS requires me to give my flight details [16:35] AWESOME [16:36] arrival and departure from the summit should be required, but flight shouldn't be [16:36] (they weren't when I signed up) [16:36] MarkDude: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2012-April/001935.html [16:36] instructions I sent to the list for registering [16:36] (includes notes about arrival and departure) [16:37] that's how they track how many days people will be there so they can plan the right amount of stuff each day [16:37] registerred [16:38] Had to put the times I will be in area [16:38] I put the week before- until August ;) [16:39] * MarkDude is hoping many people will be able to attend the Jono-palooza loud music show the weekend before [16:39] Requiring arrival and departure shouldn't be required either -- or should be explained. [16:39] I had no idea what I was supposed to put there, so I just put the start/end dates of UDS. [16:40] Shhhh, akk- your common sense need not apply here :D [16:40] yeah, Im gonna spend 3 weeks after uds in the area, so I was unsure what they meant... [16:40] yeah, it's certainly not designed for locals (the number of locals attending is usually a very small percentage) [16:40] altho it does make sense to make count for each day [16:40] philipballew: I arrived in the area about 15 years ago, and I have no idea how many more years I'll spend here. [16:40] MarkDude: please be nice, these things are largely run by community volunteers [16:40] (summit itself is a community project) [16:41] If they want to know which days of the conference you'll be there, why don't they just ask that? [16:41] the bay area is to nice an area to leave [16:41] are you communing or using a hotel? [16:41] Even if I were flying, I'd be annoyed if they wanted to know how long I was going to stay afterward to explore the area -- none of their business. [16:41] akk: it's also used to help them coordinate when they should have buses at the airport and inviting people on group outings on the weekends [16:42] * philipballew give up his bed for 20 a night, 50 I leave sleep on the other side of the room, and 100 I leave the room completely... [16:42] pleia2: For airport buses, it shouldn't be required of people not flying; for group outings, a "which days will you be there" would work better. [16:43] maybe if your a Canonical employee they would [16:43] they are looking for more volunteers to help with summit :) it's written in python in django [16:43] A local button would make sense, but its cool. For a moment I thougt they were requirin flight #- and some take trains. [16:43] Hella makes sense tho for days. [16:43] kevin, the guy I run the4 sd ubuntu hour with has to show up a week from today for uds and has more to worry about as hes a employee for instance [16:43] Initially I got a page that was asking questions like that, and passport #. But then when I went back, I got a different page that didn't ask those. [16:43] I mean many folks might just be able to make weekend- tuesday [16:44] or thur- weekend [16:44] Without that info- I bet it would be much harder to plan [16:45] Im taking the train so the flight doesnt even apply [16:46] +1 train [16:46] * MarkDude loves the train [16:47] Trains rock. [16:47] who are you guys? Sheldon Cooper? [16:47] * philipballew hides when they dont get the tv reference [16:48] I'm a member of the market street railway :D [16:48] I actually didn't know trains were a geek thing until watching TBBT [16:48] * akk doesn't get the reference <- luddite [16:49] character from The Big Bang Theory, a show about some college physics researchers and their geekiness [16:49] he loves trains [16:49] Ah. That's a show I'd definitely watch if I had cable, but, oh well. [16:49] so MarkDude will you be trolling with your fedora shirt? [16:49] it's OTA [16:49] CBS [16:50] Can't pick up any broadcast here ... maybe we could if we bought a huge antenna. [16:50] ah [16:50] alot [16:50] Also, our TV is old and not digital and we never bought one of those converter dealies. [16:50] philipballew: I assure you, wearing a fedora shirt at UDS is not trolling [16:50] it's a very welcoming conference, and we want diversity in attendees [16:51] it's nice and healthy to get perspective from how other distros are doing :) [16:51] oh, sounds good then, Ill be sure to bring my windows server 2003 shirt then. [16:52] I really hope you're not comparing fedora to windows [16:52] no, im not :) [16:52] fedora is another community-driven open source distribution that has a lot of similarites to ubuntu [16:52] * philipballew runs fedora [16:52] windows... I'm afraid we can't learn much from how they run their community (do they have one?) [16:53] shh, dont tell the ubuntu people [16:53] it's really not this big war you're making it out to be ;) [16:53] we should all run what works well for us, even if we contribute to both [16:53] Linux distro people are all on the same side! [16:53] The differences are really pretty small. [16:54] * philipballew should never be takin seriously [16:54] philipballew: it reflects poorly on us all when we play the distros against each other [16:54] even joking (since it's hard to tell) [16:55] alright, will refrain. epically at uds. [16:55] there is plenty of that done by journalists and others wanting to cash in on inflammatory headlines, as members of this project we really don't need to feed the flames [16:56] philipballew, I will wear my Beefy Miracle shirt [16:56] yeah, my google plus page was littered with a few articles last week about why Ubuntu is not linux and ubuntu is a evil distro... it seems odd that beople can take offence when you run a distro different then yours [16:56] And next a Free Geek shirt [16:57] then I will wear an *I F Freedom* shirt [16:57] trolling tho, nope [16:57] yeah, dont worry, Im just messing with the trolling thing. I know that. [16:58] * MarkDude only takes excpetion to Ubuntu NOTusing the word LINUX. And that silly phrase- the Ubuntu Kernel [16:58] But I am more focused on common issues [16:58] Avoiding the word Linux is bad, yeah. [16:59] MarkDude: that's how we talk about kernels, even the Debian release notes reference the Debian Kernel, it means that it has specific patches for the distribution [16:59] and it's not avoided, the release notes everyone complains about said: [16:59] Ubuntu Kernel [16:59] Beta-2 includes the 3.2.0-20.33 Ubuntu kernel which is based on the v3.2.12 upstream stable Linux kernel. [16:59] If there is a place to discuss the dropping the word Linux. I will do it there [16:59] I petitioned for it to be called philbuntu a few releases ago, and for some reason they didn't go for it. [17:00] The website doesnt say linux on it. [17:00] http://www.ubuntu.com/ ctrl f Linux- ZERO results [17:00] Just saying "The Ubuntu kernel" seems reasonable -- it does have changes from kernel.org kernels. [17:00] MarkDude: try that on http://www.debian.org/ [17:00] That is strange, not mentioning Linux on the home page. [17:00] most ubuntu users know there using linux [17:00] http://fedoraproject.org/ 2 results [17:01] MarkDude: try that on http://www.redhat.com/ [17:01] philipballew: Do most prospective Ubuntu users know it's Linux? [17:01] philip@PrincessLeia:~$ uname -s [17:01] I know it's fun to single out Ubuntu, but they aren't the only one [17:01] Linux [17:01] fair enough, were I going to Debian or RH event- I would be more concerned [17:01] its true, there not. [17:02] Dont think I dont hard time RH [17:02] :D [17:02] If I was marketing a distro, I'd make that a selling point -- something like "Stable, secure Linux kernel, proven on umpteen million systems from Android phones to Google servers." [17:02] not every ubuntu user runs uname though [17:02] Being Linux is a *good* thing. [17:02] akk: yeah, I am often surprised that they don't leverage Android more, it's the most popular linux ever (one of the most popular OSes ever) [17:02] but most people are shocked when I tell them android is linux [17:02] * MarkDude does not usually use word Linux when talking about Partimus- I tell folks it i computers that help kds [17:03] I think people hear linux and think "complicated and command line scares me" [17:03] MarkDude: "Free Culture" is what we want to stress with Partimus [17:03] pleia2: And it makes "Linux" less scary -- "See? You're already using Linux, it's not just for geeks." [17:03] (Setting aside the question of whether most Android users are geeks :) [17:03] Good point on Android [17:03] * pleia2 back2work [17:05] For the record RH has it once on their site [17:06] And Puppy wins over all- its always called Puppy Linux [17:06] Too bad they dont have gatherings :) [17:07] UDS should be fun, too bad I dont have a penguin suit for it [17:07] Puppy gatherings sound fun ... everybody could chase balls and fetch sticks. :) [17:07] What happened to the penguin suit? [17:09] It was stolen at last OSCON [17:10] I was with Leslie hawthorn, and some OSU lab folks [17:10] It was hanging up at coatrack [17:10] and was gone [17:10] Oh no! [17:10] :( [17:11] Daddy Shadowman will buy another. But I have been debating if I want to be known as the dude in the Penguin suit [17:11] * MarkDude has decided yes [17:11] Well 1st I would like to be known as * the Communitizer* [19:32] pleia2: For about a $200 investment or so a LoCo could produce printed sleeves and CD's for about 5 cents per CD or $25 per 500 [19:32] they wouldnt be as shiny and glossy as the Canonical printed ones but definitely way cheaper [19:34] bkerensa: we use the paper sleeves [19:34] if we had $200 (which we don't) there are things we'd rather spend the money on, like pressed CDs [19:34] pleia2: yeah I was asking our designer guy to transition our logo to your origami thing [19:34] :D [19:35] but he didn't think people would take burned copies serious so we found a Canon printer that prints onto CD's [19:35] if we had nice pressed cds it might be worth upgrading the packaging too, but a nice cover is only really impressive if your CD inside isn't marked with a sharpie ;) [19:36] but at the end of the day we really can't afford either [19:36] pleia2: yeah thats why we were discussing the $99 printer that makes nice printed cd's [19:36] :d [19:36] and a box of paper sleeves is 13 [19:36] $13* [19:36] I've also found CDs going the way of the dinosaur, we do a lot more with USB sticks these days [19:36] now cheap USB sticks would be good :) [19:36] pleia2: USB's are $5 a pop [19:36] :D [19:37] I think the cheapest I have found for custom printed 4GB USB's is $5 [19:37] that's pretty cheap [19:37] what about 1 gig? [19:37] or do they even make them anymore? :) [19:37] 2G would be enough [19:37] but yeah, I don't think they make such small ones in bulk anymore [19:37] hi greg-g :) [19:37] Strangely, USB sticks don't seem to be any cheaper in bulk than singly. [19:37] greg-g: no idea... the CTO at Linbit gave me and our asst lead two beer chalices and some thumbdrives and said they talked them down to $5 per 4GB drive for 250 [19:38] so if you bought 1000 then maybe even cheaper [19:38] You'd think there would be scads of places selling 1G sticks in bulk packs, but I haven't found any. [19:38] * akk has been looking for a cheap 10-pack that a class of high schoolers can use to boot ubuntu [19:38] there cheap enough anyway [19:38] pleia2: What we really need is a Public PXE system [19:39] some way to network install but on a global scale [19:39] heya pleia2 [19:39] (sorry, missed that) :) [19:39] bkerensa, you should set that up [19:39] akk: Costco? [19:39] philipballew: I would not know where to start I have not yet done a PXE install... always cd-rom or usb [19:39] bkerensa: Dunno, but after a $60 membership fee it wouldn't be all that cheap (and $60 just to get in to find out is even worse). [19:40] Or whatever they're charging now, it was something like that last I checked. [19:40] i set up a local pxe server once. Was not to hard [19:40] akk: :P I have a Costco membership and if worse comes to worse I could go with you to the one in SF during UDS? [19:40] bkerensa: Does costco actually have a deal on usb sticks? If they do, I just might take you up on that. [19:40] they have pretty good prices like a 8 pack of 4GB for 25 or something idk [19:41] That would be excellent. [19:41] akk: They really do but its like seasonal? [19:41] lol [19:41] kind of like ipods and such [19:41] no idea when they have them and when they dont :D [19:41] 8 is close enough, I could buy a couple of extras from microcenter or donate a couple of my own. [19:41] might be good to call ahead and ask them [19:41] welcome BigWhale [19:41] Greetings! [19:42] thar he blows === Faqtotum is now known as DonkeyHotei [19:43] So, I was wondering. I'll be at UDS and I'm flying in to SFO on 5th. It will be my third time in the city and I never really get to see any of it. Are there any local people willing to show me around and stuff? Hang out some? [19:43] Its always a whale of a tale with BigWhale [19:43] BigWhale: yep! on wednesday night we're offering some guided tourism, and I'll be doing shopping in SF with some folks on Sunday [19:44] BigWhale: some other events we're doing are being collected here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q [19:44] shopping == downtown SF [19:44] Sunday 6th? [19:44] yep [19:44] Awesome! [19:45] downtown SF is an easy train/subway ride away from UDS [19:45] we made a public transit page too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/PublicTransit [19:45] Just look for the Im local badges [19:45] BigWhale: I am not "local" but I am a native Californian and know SF and most of the bay like the back of my hand [19:45] oh yes, California team members will be wearing "I'm a Local" badges at UDS itself :) [19:46] Were gonna be wearing them [19:46] I am going to be doing a China Town excursion [19:46] bkerensa, when is that? [19:46] bkerensa: bay area debian announcement: http://bad.debian.net/list/2012-April/003491.html maybe talk to Michael Paoli about attaching more chinatown to that? [19:46] philipballew: when I make a informal detour with like minded souls who enjoy back alley chinese food :P [19:46] (may be too late though) [19:46] I will be going to In N Out at least one night so all people wanting a burger can join. [19:46] Now I'm glad I booked one flight earlier. :) [19:46] err, too late == to late at night [19:46] bkerensa, count me in [19:47] wait, SF chinatown or Oakland chinatown? [19:47] i assume sf [19:47] pleia2: I want a "I'm Local Badge" :P I think Three Years of living in the Mission and one in the Marina qualifies :P [19:47] debian dinner is in oakland chinatown [19:47] bkerensa: sure [19:47] i will go to that as well [19:47] pleia2: SF [19:47] pleia2: I want to spend as little time in Oakland as possible :P [19:48] BigWhale: I'll firm up details of shopping on Sunday and blog about it later this week, and I'll also send details to the uds-announce list next week [19:48] about all our events [19:48] pleia2: what night is bonfire on Ocean Beach? [19:48] :d [19:49] bkerensa: ocean beach is a long ride [19:49] maybe saturday after uds ;) [19:49] Bart to Embarcadero then N-Judah for Win [19:49] :D [19:49] we can also go to the zoo! [19:49] Zoo! [19:49] pleia2, that would be great yes. :) [19:49] did they get rid of the monkeys that throw bad stuf [19:49] its been a long time [19:50] I don't know about monkeys throwing anything [19:50] their 42 year old grey seal died last month :( :( [19:50] THats the only reason I was gonna bring my baseball glove [19:50] :( [19:50] Hmm... Zoo ... [19:50] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3tx29pSicI <-- [19:51] Monkey does crazy dance to trick you then throws bad things you [19:51] that guy [19:51] If they have any Whales, we can free them! [19:51] ;) [19:51] bkerensa: ah, the chimps are still in that spot, so maybe they do :) [19:51] :( [19:51] I guess its better then the Sac Zoo's Rhino [19:51] BigWhale: haha, we have whale cruises! [19:51] no captive whales though :) [19:51] :D [19:52] There better be no captive whale! ;) [19:52] sometimes whales get into the bay and we need to chase them out [19:52] Now I'm starting to get excited... I might actually see some of San Francisco this time. [19:53] pleia2, Is the evebts page for official events, or can I add my in N Out trip im inviting people to there? [19:53] BigWhale: Treasure Island is fun to check out if you get a chance.... They have a bus that leaves downtown and goes there.... Its a old naval base and they have unique things to see [19:53] philipballew: the one in the wharf? [19:53] Too bad there's no transit to the south bay ... a tour of the best surplus stores would be fun. [19:54] I think so. Theres only one, maybe two if I am mastaken [19:54] philipballew: once you have all details and have it in loco.ubuntu.com you can put it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/OtherEvents [19:54] akk, they do have nice ones there [19:54] philipballew: until then, just put it under ideas or somewhere on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q [19:54] thanks pleia2 [19:55] I'm keeping the pages synced up for confirmed events that have details [19:55] ill do it this week, after I type a few more papers [19:56] pleia2: http://g.co/maps/vdpp2 <-- I used to live there... I could walk to In N Out in like under 20 mins [19:56] bkerensa: ah, nice :) [19:56] I live right near Montgomery station, so I can pretty much get anywhere [19:56] cheeseburger animal style whole grilled onions with chiles please! [19:57] this is me goofing off on IRC instead of working again [19:57] * pleia2 work for real [19:58] pleia2: rent is to intense... :P was like 1200 a month and I had two room mates [19:59] IMHO if you dont go to the Bay Area too much I highly suggest skipping In and Out and go to Tommy's Joynt on Van Ness [19:59] they have been making amazing food there since the 50's [20:01] I have never been there bkerensa whats it like? [20:01] http://www.tommysjoynt.com/menu.htm [20:02] philipballew: its a Hofbräu which is like a German Deli/Restaurant/Pub [20:02] so they make the freshest european dishes :) mostly of the german variety [20:02] uasually every friday I ride i ride to in in out. except this friday is Critical Mass friday. [20:02] I need a new burger place to check out [20:02] and have beer from everywhere in Europe... the building survived like two of SF's earthquakes [20:03] Oh, and if someone is into Photography, I'd like some pointers where are some shows where they sell photography equipment, I have a list that is a mile long or so... :) [20:04] s/shows/shops/ [20:04] philipballew: they will make you a huge roast beef sandwich with Au Jus [20:04] BigWhale, where you coming from? [20:04] BigWhale: Go to China Town for some stuff... Idk I swear their is a illcit black market for electronics there :P [20:04] Europe, Slovenia [20:05] BigWhale: I've bought a bunch of used stuff from KEH and B&H ... better prices than I've seen in shows. [20:05] ^ [20:05] My "friend" bought a switchblade there in high school [20:05] bkerensa, :)) I already considered ordering a bunch of stuff from Amazon to the hotel :)) [20:06] BigWhale: :D [20:07] BigWhale: Slovenia is close to Bosnia yeah? [20:07] bkerensa, 4-6 hour drive yes. Depends on which part of Bosnia you want to see [20:07] BigWhale: I met you at UDS in Budapest, right? (I am now getting them all mixed up :)) [20:08] pleia2, I think so yes. I was the one with pink netbook. ;> [20:08] yep, me too [20:08] :D [20:08] pink netbooks are awesome! [20:08] twins! [20:08] +1 [20:10] Budapest was quite nice. I had a nice little roadtrip [20:10] it was, did you make it to the hotel pool? [20:10] stunning [20:10] and I stayed at the BigFish hostel ... :> [20:11] ah :) [20:11] pleia2, nah, that hotel was way too pricey for me. :)) and I had to leave early because of work [20:11] * pleia2 nods [20:13] wait, you're having a bonfire at ocean beach? [20:14] not really [20:14] because that would be AWESOME [20:14] Anyway thanks for all the info so far. I'll drop by a few more times. I'll probably want a phone number or two from local people. I tend to get lost. Like, really lost. :> [20:15] if you can stand the smell of the sewage that washes ashore, that is [20:16] DonkeyHotei, is that allowed? [20:16] BigWhale: idk, but people do it sometimes [20:17] it is a beach then not much can really catch on fire, I guess... [20:17] Maybe we could find some Oakland streetcorner with a trash can and have a bonfire there. [20:17] :) [20:17] :))) [20:20] yes, seawater doesn't burn [20:20] unless you spill petroleum in it [20:22] you need a high temperature to ignite that. [20:22] afaik [20:22] * DonkeyHotei does not ignite the seawater [20:36] DonkeyHotei: :D [20:36] DonkeyHotei: You know that Burning Man originated as a Bonfire on Ocean Beach? [20:37] there is no beach in nevada [20:37] akk: Our luck the Occupy movement will try to Occupy UDS [20:37] Saying that sabdfl is the 1% [20:37] ;p [20:41] They are still occupying? [20:41] It's supposedly starting up again after a break for winter. [20:42] akk: May 1st up here is supposedly what is the start of a bigger push then last time [20:42] I just asked around and here in Slovenia they had a winter break too. [20:43] Whiners. :> [20:43] akk: They tried to re-occupy our parks up here the other night but failed but when it happened the Police issued a statement saying that come May 1st the parks will be retaken by force [20:44] It took the police like three days struggle to get them out of the parks... they were bring tables and garbage cans as shields and surrounding and overwhelming the riot police [20:45] They even climbed on top of the huge light booms and turn them off and turned off the generators [20:48] just as long as they don't occupy the toilet. [21:08] No events in Cali? :O http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:DefectiveByDesign/Day_Against_DRM_2012#Events [21:09] they announced it a couple of days ago, which doesn't give a lot of time to organize an event, and it's targetted at college-age folks but takes place right before finals weeks [21:09] (at least, the announcement I saw was, that page isn't) [21:16] What's the current recommended java JRE package? I just discovered that the sun-java6-jre is left over from natty and isn't in oneiric. [21:17] akk, I think opendjk works the best for most thongs, but you can install sun yourself from the sun site I think [21:17] openjdk-6-jre [21:17] default-jre always points to the recommended JRE, btw [21:18] Ah, thanks. I wasn't seeing those -- they don't show up in aptitude search java. [21:19] Even though they have Java in their descriptions. Some day I'll find a decent apt searching tool, or write one. [21:19] aptitude search ~djava [21:19] or maybe Java, dunno if it's case-sensitive [21:20] Nope, neither of those finds it. What does ^d do? [21:21] ~d searches description, theoretically [21:22] works for me :| [21:22] (though I'm on Debian) [21:22] On oneiric, aptitude search ^djava | grep jre gives nothing at all. [21:22] usually the same [21:23] akk: ~, not ^ [21:23] i can try 12.04 [21:23] Ah! Yes, that finds it, though I have to quote it so it doesn't interpret ~ as a homedir. [21:24] Thanks. [21:24] the reason i don't like/use aptitude is that it doesn't share databases with other apt tools, like apt-get or synaptic [21:25] Unfortunately apt-cache search is even worse than aptitude search (they're both bad). [21:25] apt-cache search java gives 2057 lines, many of which don't have "java" in the name OR description. [21:26] i filter apt-cache search through less, usually [21:26] I don't want to page through 2057 lines any more than I want to use page up/down to read through them. :) [21:26] less has a search key [21:27] If I knew what to search for I'd be using | grep [21:28] i use the search key in less instead because i see context at a glance and can change search terms over and over [21:35] grep would be the easier approach for me. [21:40] *tinker* *tinker* *sew* *sew* *shoot* *shoot* *spy* *spy* okay, less is more elegant with -p, especially since you can use "n" to cycle through keywords [21:41] yep [22:55] pleia2, can you email the UDS list and ask about the baseball game? I have a coupon for Thurs the 10th- for tickets for 4$ [22:57] MarkDude: there is a UDS mailing list? :s [22:57] must be secret [22:58] * MarkDude clicked- dont want updates on it [23:38] MarkDude: I'll include it in the email I send out this weekend [23:38] MarkDude: want people to email you, or email me and have me pass along? [23:41] They can email me [23:41] Markdude@fedoraproject.org ;) [23:42] Gates open 1.5 hours before actual game starts [23:42] Also Veggie hotdogs are available [23:42] ok :) [23:42] * MarkDude is stoked about going - this should be fun - and a great learning opportunity [23:45] MarkDude: when do they need to contact you by? [23:46] and will you escort people from the hotel, or should they take BART themselves? [23:50] pleia2: also Cloudflare's CEO said they can host some Ubuntu folk if anyone wants to see their offices and chat about nginx, cloud and Ubuntu :) [23:54] The monday of UDS [23:54] I can get them up until Tuesday I think [23:55] or Wed [23:55] So we can get up to 16 people [23:55] 25 is group discount [23:55] I plan on getting 8 of them for sure- beforehand [23:56] and can get 8 more if needed [23:56] I plan on being at UDS that day [23:56] So I can escort [23:56] :) [23:56] ok cool [23:56] sessions wrap up at 6PM, should I tell them to meet you in the lobby at 6:15 and "get there yourself" otherwise?