[01:25] <snap-l> My phone has shipped
[01:26] <snap-l> My phone has shipped
[01:26] <snap-l> shipped shipped shipped
[01:26] <snap-l> shipped shipped shipped
[01:26] <snap-l> My phone has shipped
[01:35] <widox> snap-l: hm, are you getting a new phone?
[01:35] <snap-l> Yep, via Ting.com
[01:35] <snap-l> https://ting.com/devices/Samsung-Galaxy-SII-Epic-4G-Touch
[01:37] <widox> huh, no extra charge for tethering?
[01:37] <snap-l> nope
[02:15] <jrwren> is that an attempt at being seussian?
[02:38] <rick_h> snap-l: yay
[02:41] <snap-l> jrwren: No, it's an attempt at being happy. :)
[10:59] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:00] <rick_h> morning
[11:19] <snap-l> <3 fast Internet
[11:20] <snap-l> using my linode instance and ftp to upload episodes that took on the order of 5 minutes each to upload to archive.org on the home bandwidth
[11:20] <rick_h> fast net is indeed good
[11:20] <rick_h> ah yea, big pipes of servers is definitely good
[11:20] <snap-l> 24s for two files.
[11:57] <rick_h> heh, almost prime'd a lawn mower lol
[11:59] <snap-l> What exactly were you going to prime? :)
[12:00] <snap-l> bah, 19+ more episodes to upload onto archive.org
[12:10] <brousch> i love my electric mower
[12:10] <rick_h> I want to get a new mower
[12:10] <rick_h> and was checking it out, and sure enough amazon had the one I was going to get
[12:11] <rick_h> and with prime I'd be using it this weekend, vs next week for lowes.com
[12:11] <rick_h> but the support/warranty situation is a bit more of a mess with amazon so went with lowes anyway
[12:11] <rick_h> but thuoght it was funny to 2-day ship a lawn mower
[12:47] <snap-l> rick_h: Always a joy to see the UPS guy hauling heavy or awkward stuff
[12:47] <snap-l> even better when your bro-in-law has you order him shocks and a frame for his dirt bike.
[12:48] <rick_h> hah
[12:48] <snap-l> Fortunately he has his own ebay account so he only gets in trouble with his wife, and doesn't drag me into it. :)
[12:49] <snap-l> not that JoDee or I mind, but was pretty funny
[13:25] <jrwren> snap-l: how fast are you getting?
[13:26] <snap-l> From linode to archive.org? ~4MB/s
[13:27] <snap-l> little higher, little lower.
[13:27] <jrwren> not bad.
[13:27] <snap-l> Yeah, I was able to upload two months of episodes this morning
[13:28] <snap-l> which were five ogg / mp3 pairs
[13:51] <brousch> heroku's speed has spoiled me. dreamhost feels so slow now
[13:53] <snap-l> heh
[13:55] <snap-l> "Heartbeat in a straight line"
[14:07] <jrwren> speed to upload or speed to serve pages or both?
[14:15] <brousch> jrwren: upload and access over ssh and time to bring up the wordpress admin
[14:17] <snap-l> http://clientsfromhell.net/post/21663324365/client-the-server-has-crashed-me-oh-how-do
[14:33] <jrwren> brousch: same here with bluehost.
[14:33] <jrwren> brousch: 3 sec to display teh wp-admin login screen, and 10+ to actually get teh wp dashboard.
[14:33] <jrwren> UNACCEPTABLE.
[14:34] <jrwren> I need to migrate.
[14:34] <rick_h> cli tools for app mgt ftw!
[14:35] <brousch> my grpug website on heroku is so much nicer to use
[14:36] <jrwren> rick_h: agreed.
[14:36] <jrwren> i'm thinking i should just host in s3, and if I need services, use parse.com or something :)
[14:36] <brousch> comes up fast, add/edit the meeting in the django admin, get out. i can add a meeting quicker than i can start a blog post on DH
[14:36] <jrwren> octopress or some shit.
[14:37] <snap-l> nginx. :)
[14:38]  * jrwren eyes roll
[14:39] <brousch> i'm thinking of moving to a python blog on heroku
[14:41] <krondor> jrwren:  octopress has been great, IMO for me.  I don't need all the WP bells and widgets more or less though...
[14:42] <krondor> bluehost has been increasingly sucky though.  i3Detroit's site was horrible there and my SO's charity site too.. dreamhost is nice.
[14:42] <waldo323> is i3 on a2hosting now?
[14:44] <krondor> waldo323:  hmm, I know the move was planned.  I think I fell off the thread to see if it happened.  I think I'll check now.
[14:46] <krondor> nope still on bluehost looks like we're waiting till our prepaid year is up.
[14:46] <waldo323> ah
[14:51] <rick_h> the bad thing with heroku is the app startup time when running on the free dyno
[14:51] <rick_h> unless you can keep enough traffic to keep it busy
[14:51] <rick_h> that keeps annoying me with the readable app
[14:52] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopimism
[14:52] <greg-g> g'morning
[14:53] <snap-l> greg-g: ^^
[14:53] <rick_h> morning greg-g about ready for some lunch? :)
[14:56] <brousch> rick_h: i haven't really noticed a slow startup time
[14:58] <rick_h> brousch: what is your app?
[14:59] <rick_h> plus I'm easily annoyed :P
[15:05] <brousch> tiny django site
[15:11] <snap-l> Ah, so it's slow anyway. ;)
[15:14] <brousch> :P
[15:14] <snap-l> greg-g: Loving that faculty members are starting to get the message that Elseveir isn't the only way to publish
[15:16] <snap-l> I hope in five years time we'll be having the conversation about how libraries are able to put their academic journal subscription money to better uses
[15:31] <rick_h> heh http://www.techvibes.com/blog/the-death-of-rim-an-infographic-2012-04-23
[15:33] <snap-l> They have a bad case of Palm Disesase
[15:34] <snap-l> First to innovate, last to adapt.
[15:34] <snap-l> I hope RIM spins off into separate hardware / software companies so the comparison with Palm will be spot-on
[15:35] <rick_h> isn't that most companies over time though?
[15:35] <snap-l> and both can die horribly.
[15:35] <rick_h> heh yea
[15:35] <rick_h> though I do still miss my e71 with keyboard at times
[15:35] <snap-l> rick_h: Not all companies have to go that route
[15:35] <snap-l> The ones that rest on their laurels must die, though
[15:36] <snap-l> And when your business is poorly copying your competition, you'll be in a world of pain
[15:38] <rick_h> I don't know, most businesses start out with an idea, implement it, perfect it, and then the time for thatidea passes
[15:38] <rick_h> just happens so fast these days
[15:42] <krondor> rick_h++ and they're not happy at a size.  They always have to get bigger which means new products which means dilluting their focus
[15:43] <rick_h> man, I feel like such a bad guy, but stealing like mad from readability.com stuff lol
[15:48] <snap-l> insert pithy quote about creativity and stealing.
[15:48] <rick_h> heh
[15:49] <snap-l> http://store.professorkliq.com/album/curriculum-vitae-2
[16:05] <rick_h> little prettier, need to get the title/etc at the start. http://goo.gl/YzNgI
[16:05] <rick_h> let me know if the background is distracting at all
[16:08] <snap-l> I like the BG
[16:08] <snap-l> looks like my twitter background
[16:08] <rick_h> nice css hacky stuff
[16:09] <snap-l> purdy
[16:13] <greg-g> rick_h: I don't get the background (just black) on Fx 13.0a2 (verified the diff with chromium)
[16:13] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, I've got to find the FF equiv
[16:13] <greg-g> heh, css hack stuff that only works in Chrome/Chromium? say it ain't so!
[16:13] <greg-g> ;)
[16:13] <rick_h> it's new enough CSS3 stuff it needs the prefix
[16:13] <greg-g> ah
[16:13] <rick_h> I *think* it'll work just FF, but haven't added the -mozilla ones
[16:13]  * greg-g doesn't know much about that stuff, honestly
[16:13] <greg-g> ahhh
[16:13] <rick_h> basically as a developer I get to repeat the same 6 lines
[16:14] <rick_h> -mozilla-background...
[16:14] <greg-g> that sounds, great
[16:14] <rick_h> -webkit-background...
[16:14] <rick_h> -o-background...
[16:14] <rick_h> yea <3 web standards :/
[16:14] <Blazeix> i think it's -moz-
[16:14] <greg-g> well, that's what you get for using a standard before it is release! ;) (or something)
[16:14] <rick_h> Blazeix: doh, right
[16:14] <rick_h> greg-g: but but it's pretty!
[16:15] <rick_h> and no images so I don't need to wish for a mac to do graphics again
[16:16] <greg-g> bah, just get a wacom and you'll be fine, in fact: http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2012/04/13/gimp-2-7-for-photoshop-expatriates/
[16:16] <rick_h> I don't get photoshop either, for me it was always illustrator
[16:16] <rick_h> I could use that a lot, but I've never 'gotten' inkscape
[16:16] <greg-g> ahh, well, I think she'll do an Inkscape one as well
[16:16] <greg-g> ah
[16:17] <rick_h> yea, I think it's my old school engineering/drafting background
[16:17] <rick_h> I think like a drafter not artist
[16:25] <jrwren> rush at the palace sept 18th
[16:28] <rick_h> greg-g: sorry, you can't have the pretty background. Brings FF to it's kneeds
[16:28] <rick_h> knees
[16:28] <rick_h> won't scroll for nothing, wow does it hate that effect
[16:28] <greg-g> wha!
[16:29] <rick_h> try this: http://lea.verou.me/css3patterns/#carbon
[16:29] <rick_h> now change the backgroud-size
[16:29] <rick_h> and for me it barely lets me type in there
[16:29] <rick_h> it's all herky jerky
[16:30] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, though I'll need to wait to get home to get tix
[16:43] <brousch> rick_h: why not just use a tiny image and tile it?
[16:43] <brousch> and inkscape r0x
[16:43] <rick_h> brousch: because it involves another http request, me with an image editor, etc
[16:48] <Blazeix> i wonder at what point a data uri'd image becomes more efficient than supporting all the vendor prefixes.
[16:49] <rick_h> Blazeix: yea, that's very true
[16:49] <brousch> oh wow, that is some crazy linear gradient there
[16:51] <snap-l> rick_h: Here's your tile: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/bookie_tile.png
[16:51] <snap-l> You're welcome.
[16:51] <rick_h> man, can't find a linux client for the GDrive
[16:51] <rick_h> :( "PC and Mac"
[16:51] <rick_h> guess I keep giving my $$ to dropbox
[16:52] <brousch> oh great. it's another picasa/sketchup?
[16:53] <rick_h> crazy how docs is just renamed drive
[16:53] <rick_h> snap-l: heh, not sure that's the tile I want to go for :P
[16:53] <snap-l> rick_h: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/bookie.html
[16:53] <rick_h> heh yea
[16:54] <snap-l> hang on
[16:55] <snap-l> rick_h: OK, reload it. :)
[16:55] <snap-l> I found that on the internet, so it must be PD.
[16:55]  * rick_h is scared
[16:55] <rick_h> hah
[16:57] <greg-g> snap-l: its in public, so its public domain, right?!
[16:57] <rick_h> yea, no linux client boooo. Doing the whole sdk thing like dropbox
[16:57] <snap-l> I think we lost something when we moved away from large image tiled backgrounds
[16:57] <snap-l> greg-g: But of course.
[16:58] <greg-g> snap-l: whew
[16:59] <brousch> "You can install Drive on your Mac or PC and can download the http://goo.gl/yqx1r to your Android phone or tablet. We’re also working hard on a Drive app for your iOS devices."
[16:59] <brousch> wow. not even a mention of linux
[17:00] <snap-l> OK, last one
[17:00] <snap-l> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/bookie.html
[17:00] <brousch> nice. 100GB for $5/mo. I pay like $40 for that on dropbox
[17:00] <snap-l> No linux clinet = no deal
[17:00] <snap-l> I already get dead-end products for free with Ubuntu One
[17:00] <brousch> im still jrwrenning it
[17:02] <brousch> snap-l: did you see the openphoto thing i posted yesterday? that seems right up your freetarded alley
[17:02] <greg-g> brousch: if it didn't depend on Dropbox, it'd be great
[17:02] <greg-g> or S3, I think
[17:02] <greg-g> if I could just use my own dang server space
[17:02] <brousch> right
[17:03] <brousch> it says "or in your garage"
[17:03] <snap-l> brousch: Nah, I use Picasa because SHotwell has a plugin for it. :)
[17:03] <brousch> http://theopenphotoproject.org/overview
[17:03] <greg-g> brousch: I admit, I may be working under facts from when it first came out and I was excited, joined the irc channel, installed, etc, but then got frustrated :)
[17:04] <snap-l> "If you're a nerd who has your own server or hosting account then we've got you hooked up"
[17:04] <snap-l> curl https://raw.github.com/openphoto/frontend/master/documentation/guides/InstallationUbuntuApache.sh | /bin/bash
[17:04] <snap-l> fuck me in the neck
[17:04] <brousch> greg-g is definitely a nerd
[17:04] <jrwren> i'm a verb?
[17:04] <brousch> snap-l: with what?
[17:04] <greg-g> snap-l: that's just the view, though, not the backend (as it says in the download url)
[17:04] <snap-l> Github is not package management
[17:05] <greg-g> and yah, annoying
[17:05] <brousch> jrwren: you are my verb for using osx while hanging out in #ubuntu-us-mi
[17:05] <jrwren> ah.
[17:05] <jrwren> you realize that is a recent development? I've only been doing that for 5 months.
[17:06] <brousch> doesn't matter. i will make it stick. just like snap-l's apple fanboyism
[17:07] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, because all of my macs are power PC or 68040-based.
[17:08] <brousch> see. only a fanboy would keep old crap like that around
[17:08] <snap-l> I guess I'm a commodore fanboy too
[17:08] <snap-l> and an Atari fanboy
[17:09] <snap-l> and an AT&T 3B2 fanboy
[17:09] <greg-g> brousch: is persistent
[17:11] <brousch> i'm google driving
[17:11] <brousch> looks just like dropbox
[17:11] <jrwren> do you have a Vic20?
[17:12] <brousch> oh, d00d. i have 25GB of space because i upgraded my picasaweb storage
[17:12] <snap-l> jrwren: I do not
[17:13] <snap-l> nor do I have a C64
[17:13] <jrwren> you need one.
[17:13] <jrwren> O_O
[17:13] <rick_h> yea, that's my interest in GDrive, I can stop paying both google for storage and dropbox for storage...and one day I'm sure I'll end up paying U1
[17:13] <jrwren> Atari800XL?
[17:13] <snap-l> jrwren: There was only one good game for the Vic20, and that was Omega race
[17:13] <snap-l> jrwren: Of course. :)
[17:13] <jrwren> i don't care about games.
[17:13] <jrwren> i rarely played any games on these machines.
[17:13] <snap-l> 400, 800, 1200XL, 800XL, XEGS
[17:13] <jrwren> wow, nice atari collection
[17:14] <snap-l> ty
[17:14] <snap-l> http://www.amazon.com/The-Best-Of-Meco/dp/B000W1AO9E/ref=ntt_mus_ep_dpi_4
[17:19] <brousch> ahahahah. i am paying $20/yr for 20GB of google storage. grandfathered in http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Screen%20Shot%202012-04-24%20at%201.17.28%20PM.png
[17:19] <jrwren> i like how that is a dropbox url.
[17:19] <brousch> yeah, i don't see sharing on gdrive
[17:19] <jrwren> i've got 25G on skydrive
[17:19] <jrwren> but i don't use it.
[17:20] <jrwren> and I don't use my dropbox really, either.
[17:20] <jrwren> never installed it on this machine.
[17:20] <jrwren> i guess I don't find it useful
[17:20] <brousch> i had all of my backups in dropbox, but now i use crashplan
[17:20] <brousch> so i am only using about 15GB now
[17:21] <jrwren> "backups" for me means rsyncing family photos/video to bluehost.
[17:21] <jrwren> anything else, I don't care about.
[17:21] <jrwren> although I'll probably change that backup to s3 soon
[17:21] <rick_h> +1 on the s3 stuff
[17:22] <rick_h> I am curious on the gdrive search stuff though
[17:22] <brousch> crashplan is cheap. $5/mo for unlimited storage
[17:22] <rick_h> if that works well might be cool
[17:22] <jrwren> how do i send them my stuff?
[17:22] <jrwren> do I have to run a shitty backup client?
[17:23] <brousch> yes
[17:23] <brousch> though i haven't had any issues with it
[17:30] <jrwren> because rhinoback makes me install a virus spyware infested thing called JVM to use it.
[17:30] <jrwren> i refuse.
[17:33]  * brousch squints at jrwren
[17:33] <snap-l> brousch: He has a point
[17:33] <snap-l> OSX JVM is not secure
[17:34] <snap-l> and Apple is pretty much saying they're done with it
[17:34] <snap-l> iirc, their latest security fix is essentially "uninstall"
[17:34] <snap-l> (at least on anything pre-10.6)
[17:35] <snap-l> And lion doesn't ship with a JVM anymore
[17:49] <jrwren> and Win32 prompts for me to install the ask.com toolbar <-- spyware
[17:49] <jrwren> and EVERY upgrade of the JVM asks me again.
[17:49] <jrwren> so sure, jvm isn't so bad on linux, but that is the only place it isn't so bad.
[17:51] <snap-l> jrwren: I'm no fan of Java. The sooner the JVM gets off of client machines and into a headless server room, the happier I'll be
[17:53] <brousch> Google Drive Feedback Form - beg for linux https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dG45cFM2TGRHUjhTRzkzay12eEtuWFE6MA#gid=0
[17:53] <snap-l> fuck it
[17:53] <snap-l> I'm sure they have a good reason for not supporting us winy linux users
[17:53] <brousch> in the neck?
[17:54] <snap-l> I'm tired of begging
[17:55] <rick_h> yea, a bit easier this time since we do have options
[17:55] <snap-l> I'm not taking up the cross of the OS/2 users
[18:00] <jcastro> shrug
[18:00] <jcastro> it just means Dropbox gets my money
[18:01] <jrwren>  *nod*
[18:01] <rick_h> yea, though I should give U1 another go
[18:01] <jrwren> but wait, shouldn't you be all U1
[18:01] <rick_h> jcastro: have you used it much? Perf any better?
[18:01] <rick_h> jrwren: not if I'm paying for the privelege :P
[18:01] <jcastro> rick_h: people keep telling me to try it
[18:01] <jcastro> but I'm not going to go reinstall it on all my PCs and stuff
[18:01] <jcastro> too lazy
[18:02] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, actually looking I htink it'd be cheaper than my dropbox
[18:02] <jcastro> maybe next reinstall?
[18:02] <jrwren> you don't get U1 for free?
[18:02] <jcastro> yeah, I already pay them for gmail/picasa
[18:02] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, same here, another round of 30gb of upload :/
[18:02] <jcastro> I want to consolidate more than anything
[18:02] <rick_h> jrwren: no
[18:02]  * jrwren works for a highly profitable employer 
[18:03] <jrwren> does canonical publish a balance sheet? cash flow sheet? :)
[18:05] <jcastro> http://support.google.com/drive/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=39567&p=butter_old_storage
[18:05] <jcastro> nice, I got grandfathered in!
[18:06] <jrwren> "Your Google Drive is not ready yet"
[18:06] <rick_h> bah, I've got that under my old deuce868@gmail account
[18:09] <rick_h> bah, ubuntuone install fail
[18:10] <brousch> rick_h: will u1 work with awesome?
[18:11] <rick_h> brousch: I thought I had it working at one time
[18:12] <rick_h> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Headless
[18:13] <rick_h> I'll have to play with that later I guess
[18:22] <snap-l> http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2012/04/galaxy-nexus-now-on-sale-in-google-play.html
[18:23] <snap-l> I have Dropbox on my Nook Tablet
[18:24] <snap-l> haven't even set up U1 for the work machine. it's all Dropbox here.
[18:33] <brousch> yeah, dropbox everywhere is really nice. and the LAN sync is unbeatable if you reinstall your OS
[18:47]  * krondor reads scrollback... glares at his work assigned mac mini which kernel panicked two hours ago.
[18:47] <jrwren> lol @ google owns everything you put on your gdrive :)
[18:48] <snap-l> brousch: Ahem: http://status.net/2012/04/24/identi-ca-support-in-hootsuite
[18:52] <brousch> ah, damnit
[18:56] <snap-l> I'll expect you to be fully on identi.ca by morning
[19:01] <brousch> i think it only has read support
[19:01] <brousch> i can read things, but can't find a way to send
[19:17] <brousch> ah, it uses a different post message box. that is silly
[19:49] <rick_h> ok, dressed up a little bit http://goo.gl/0IStS
[19:49] <brousch> snap-l: i put identi'ca on my front feed. i should see it and contribute
[19:49] <brousch> some geeker already started following me
[19:50] <greg-g> front feed?
[19:51] <brousch> in hootsuite
[19:51] <brousch> you create tabs and add feeds to the tabs
[19:51] <brousch> i have one in the front that i read most often
[19:53] <greg-g> ah
[19:54] <greg-g> snap-l: wow, Humanist EP has some unfortunate vocals on the Liberate song (second)
[20:00] <nixternal> greg-g: your damn idea of lvm & cloud storage got me thinking and wasting time damnit
[20:01] <greg-g> nixternal: YES!
[20:01] <greg-g> :)
[20:01] <greg-g> it wasn't my idea, it was someone else in my twitter stream a couple weeks ago saying they thought some new startup would be that service for you (manage your free cloud storage)
[20:01] <nixternal> scratch the lvm for the time being, and use iscsi or webdav to connect to a main cloud app that will collect all of your other cloud storage services
[20:02] <greg-g> but, since it was twitter, I don't remember who, so the idea is now mine, muhahahaha
[20:02] <greg-g> nixternal: yeah, I mean kind of like lvm, not using lvm
[20:02] <nixternal> then you can either do like raid0 or raid1 with them
[20:02] <greg-g> yeah
[20:03] <greg-g> an owncloud plugin that lets you navigate/access your cloud drives!
[20:03] <greg-g> so you have mydowmain.net/owncloud/dropbox/whatever
[20:03] <nixternal> then using something like the reed solomon algorithm, you can split data & put it back together, kind of like a cloud based tahoelafs
[20:03] <greg-g> ooooo
[20:04] <greg-g> alright, when will I see code?
[20:04] <greg-g> :)
[20:04] <nixternal> so if you have like 5 different cloud storage services, you write locally to a folder mapped to the total cloud app and it can split your data up. so if say ubuntuone drops off the face of the earth, your data is still out there for you to get
[20:05] <nixternal> i have code here, though in java, that does a lot of that already. when i helped write it, it was gpl, but it no longer is upstream. i don't know how much trouble i have here in my hands
[20:05] <greg-g> hrmmm
[20:05] <greg-g> ugly sounding
[20:05] <greg-g> was it ever published somewhere you can find on archive.org as proof of gpl?
[20:05] <nixternal> nice thing is, tahoelafs has a very similar implementation & it is free in every sense of the word
[20:06] <greg-g> yep, good ole zooko
[20:06] <nixternal> cleversafe.org
[20:06] <greg-g> oh right, forgot about them
[20:07] <jrwren> rick_h: readable should use a serif font for readability.
[20:07] <nixternal> http://web.archive.org/web/20081202183759/http://www.cleversafe.org/downloads/licensing
[20:08] <jrwren> i don't know of any of these that expose their service as a block store, and even if they did, LVM over it would be so insanely slow, I don't think you would want this cloud thing of which you speak.
[20:09] <greg-g> nixternal: cool, then if your code is pre or up to that point, you have pretty good evidence what you have is gpl v2
[20:09] <greg-g> bah, I just used lvm as a way of describing what it does, tying in multiple "drives" into one logical place to put things. No slower/faster than the normal cloud things (which, really, are as fast as your local disk, just syncing takes a while ;) )
[20:10] <greg-g> basically, get api keys from all services, give them to a central app that sees them all, access just that one central app
[20:12] <nixternal> jrwren: you would expose a block store, that would then do all of the work just storing small bits of data on the cloud drives
[20:13] <nixternal> i mean, dropbox does this already with your data, so it would be quite redundant, but good if you had your data spread out over say 4 or 5 services. that way there if 1 went down, say dropbox, you don't lose all of your data
[20:18] <greg-g> (not that you really lose it, since it is local also, but yeah)
[20:18] <greg-g> unless it tried to sync, saw nothing on dropbox's end, and deleted it all locally, that'd be hilarious
[20:18] <nixternal> hrmm, didn't know a company could remove a person from their patents, but it seems they can. i can't find my name on any of them anymore :)
[20:18] <greg-g> wow
[20:18] <nixternal> i see they removed a few people actually from it.
[20:18] <greg-g> didn't think you could remove the inventors, weird
[20:19] <nixternal> well, co-inventors/developers probably
[20:19] <greg-g> either way, seems odd to go through the trouble of dealing with the USPTO to do that kind of thing
[20:19] <nixternal> not when you have one of them on your board :D
[20:21] <greg-g> wow
[20:21] <nixternal> ahh, found them.
[20:21] <nixternal> there is so much 'you scratch my back, i'll scratch yours' going on it isn't even funny
[20:22] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, they're pretty political
[20:22] <nixternal> my dad, who has some crazy electronics patents for HD studio camera stuff spent years getting the stuff done. sony came along and took a few of them before he got them finalized and had them patented in a weeks time it seemed like
[20:22] <nixternal> that is why he is anti-patent now
[20:24] <greg-g> snap-l: I meant the tone, actually :)
[20:28] <snap-l> greg-g: Ah
[20:28] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, I think the first song is the only really listenable song on that album
[20:28] <snap-l> and it's damn catchy.
[20:41] <rick_h> jrwren: but I looked into it, sans is more readable on screens, serif on print/e-ink
[20:41] <rick_h> I did start out with serif though
[21:17] <jrwren> i prefer serif, even on screen.
[21:18] <jrwren> for prose
[21:19] <snap-l> I prefer semisanserif
[21:20] <greg-g> mono!
[21:20] <snap-l> Only for code and IRC.
[21:21]  * greg-g kids
[21:21] <jrwren> why didn't non-mono irc every catch on?
[21:22] <jrwren> is it just so ASCII art comes through?
[21:22] <jrwren> or is it really just called instant message?
[21:22] <jrwren> or campfile?
[21:23] <greg-g> jrwren: ascii art I believe :)
[21:43] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, I've been going back and forth so I went looking for research
[21:44] <rick_h> jrwren: I think ideally it'll be a setting kind of thing perhaps, but we'll see. I'm trying out this sans for a bit
[21:46] <greg-g> sans a setting?
[21:46] <greg-g> badum ching!
[21:49] <rick_h> greg-g: is sooo funny :P
[23:26] <rick_h> locodir-user ?
[23:29] <locodir-user_> my connection is messing up
[23:29] <locodir-user_> sorry, been using ubuntu for a while, but still quite a bit of a noob
[23:29] <greg-g> hello there!
[23:30] <locodir-user_> hello
[23:30] <greg-g> rick_h: someone who is connecting via the loco.ubuntu.com web interface
[23:30] <locodir-user_> correct. was just looking for a better irc application for ubuntu
[23:30] <rick_h> greg-g: ah, ok sorry
[23:30] <rick_h> figured it was some sort of bot
[23:30] <greg-g> locodir-user_: pidgin not working well for you?
[23:30] <rick_h> locodir-user_: which have you tried/
[23:30] <rick_h> ?
[23:31] <greg-g> or empathy, whatever the default is
[23:31] <locodir-user_> i have not tried any
[23:31] <greg-g> ahh
[23:31] <rick_h> ah ok
[23:31] <locodir-user_> empathy is the default
[23:31] <rick_h> well pidgin and xchat are two popular ones
[23:31] <locodir-user_> i'll check out pidgin, i suppose
[23:31] <greg-g> I would try that, see how you like it. other than that, yeah, what rick_h said, either pidgin (a lot like empathy) or XChat which is a more traditional irc client
[23:32] <locodir-user_> alright, cool
[23:35] <locodir-user_> i'll be back under another name once it's installed
[23:35] <locodir-user_> :)
[23:37] <greg-g> :)
[23:43] <theflakeman> sweet. pidgin is pretty nice
[23:44] <rick_h> theflakeman: congrats
[23:45] <theflakeman> thank you, sir
[23:45] <theflakeman> i'm from Bay City, Michigan, by the way
[23:46] <greg-g> welcome to the Michigan LoCo IRC channel
[23:46] <greg-g> any compliments, send 'em my way. Any complaints, talk to snap-l.
[23:47] <theflakeman> haha, sounds good
[23:47]  * greg-g is actually in SF, CA now
[23:47] <greg-g> though I used to live in Ann Arbor
[23:50] <theflakeman> that's cool. I have a few friends from Yspilante.
[23:50] <theflakeman> just got them to start using ubuntu as well
[23:51] <JonEdney> I'm trying to convince my Wife to go Ubuntu.
[23:51] <theflakeman> i find that people complain until i actually install it
[23:51] <JonEdney> I told her I would advertise to all Downriver!
[23:51] <theflakeman> haha
[23:51] <greg-g> very cool
[23:52] <rick_h> JonEdney: good luck, my wife actually prefers it now, but work gave her a windows machine she has to use for some things
[23:52] <rick_h> the new EMR system is web based so we're hoping she can use Ubuntu with it
[23:52] <JonEdney> Yeah, I run a dual boot because work requires a chat client Ubuntu dont support, sucks but hey, i have fun with ubuntu the rest of my PC time.
[23:53] <greg-g> the only thing you can't do is a chat thing? that sounds crazy, unless it is that Office Messenger thingy
[23:53] <greg-g> crazy in that, man, it must be some crazy chat program
[23:55] <theflakeman> i think the only reason my one friend still dual boots is so that he can play MTGO
[23:56] <theflakeman> i tried installing it with wine, but it wouldn't take