[14:23] <thafreak> anyone play with zfs on linux?
[14:24] <thafreak> i guess a kernel module version exists..
[14:24] <paultag> thafreak: I've fiddled with it (very lightly) with Debain GNU/kFreeBSD, so I guess, no :)
[14:24] <thafreak> i've played with freenas...that's about as close as i've gotten
[14:25] <thafreak> everyone seems to be scared of btrfs....even though i've never had any problems yet
[14:26] <paultag> I've had grave issues with btrfs
[14:26] <paultag> including dataloss
[14:26] <paultag> and over 10 minute boots
[14:26] <thafreak> since 10.04?
[14:26] <thafreak> oh
[14:26] <paultag> I think it was about a year ago
[14:26] <thafreak> i've only used it for like my /home
[14:26] <thafreak> not for root
[14:26] <paultag> I used it for my whole FS
[14:26] <paultag> I wanted to, you know, test it
[14:26] <thafreak> gotcha
[14:27] <thafreak> well that's one way
[14:27] <paultag> grave issues :)
[14:27] <paultag> It took about 2 months to degrade to about 5 minute boots
[14:27] <paultag> from ~10 seconds ext4
[14:27] <thafreak> oh
[14:27] <thafreak> well ext4 is fast...btrfs is designed to be uber-reliable (eventually)
[14:28] <thafreak> so it'll be slower
[14:28] <paultag> I had to wipe it a week later when it got passwd 10 minutes
[14:28] <paultag> passed *
[14:28] <thafreak> figured ;)
[14:29] <thafreak> i'm mostly intrigued by the checksumming and other features in btrfs and zfs
[14:29] <thafreak> and the copy on write stuff is awesome
[14:29] <paultag> /join #debian-kfreebsd
[14:29] <paultag> on oftc :)
[14:29] <thafreak> yeah
[14:29] <thafreak> is it more zfs stuff
[14:30] <paultag> yeah
[14:30] <thafreak> they bash on btrfs there?
[14:30] <paultag> I don't think so
[14:30] <paultag> I think everyone knows btrfs is the future
[14:30] <paultag> it's just very very buggy right now
[14:31] <paultag> with grave data issues
[14:31] <thafreak> why hasn't oracle just re-license their already open zfs code
[14:31]  * paultag shrugs
[14:31] <paultag> it's oracle
[14:31] <thafreak> i know they don't release any of the new stuff open at all
[14:31] <thafreak> so zfs is where it is, but it's all cddl or whatever that stupid sun license was
[14:32] <thafreak> if they would just change the old already out there code to gpl, i'm sure it would get mainlined
[14:35] <paultag> yeah
[14:35] <paultag> totes
[14:38] <thafreak> have you ever checked out csync?
[14:38] <paultag> nah
[14:38] <thafreak> i really like the idea behind it
[14:39] <thafreak> but it's got some odd dependancies
[14:39] <thafreak> and i tend to avoid compiling from source these days for some reason
[14:39] <thafreak> but the idea is pretty awesome
[14:40] <thafreak> client side sync....think unison, or rsync, but without needing unison or rsync on the remote end
[14:40] <thafreak> can sync to sftp, samba, webdav currently
[14:40] <thafreak> and there's a pam module, to make roming home dirs...you login, and it syncs your homedir down
[14:41] <thafreak> i found it while looking at owncloud...i guess it's used for the upcoming linux desktop sync tool for owncloud
[15:42] <andygraybeal> hey
[15:42] <andygraybeal> hi
[15:42] <andygraybeal>  :)
[16:07] <canthus13> good morning.
[16:09] <Unit193> Good afternoon.
[16:13] <canthus13> Yay. Level 3 broke their stuff again.. Lotsa sites are unreachable... including godaddy. so anyone who hosts their DNS with godaddy is unreachable by our customers. :/
[16:25] <thafreak> anyone who hosts their dns with godaddy is an amateur
[16:25] <thafreak> and obviously doesn't care if their site is reachable
[16:25] <thafreak> :)
[16:26] <thafreak> or has no business managing a website if they do care
[16:29] <thafreak> fyi, I'm a huge fan of dns made easy...
[16:29] <thafreak> http://www.dnsmadeeasy.com/
[16:29] <thafreak> if anyone is looking for hosted DNS that is badaass
[16:30] <thafreak> $60/year for up to 25 domains and I think 10 millions DNS queries/month
[16:31] <thafreak> anyone who doesn't charge by the query, is either crap, or costs alot more :)
[16:31] <thafreak> dyn is good too, but they're more like $30/domain/year
[16:31] <thafreak> unless you're grandfathered in to their lifetime plans like me...
[16:31] <thafreak> so glad I donated that $30 way back then
[16:45]  * thafreak reverse engineering a django app, cause there's no docs :(
[16:45]  * thafreak thought he was a sysadmin....
[16:50] <jrgifford> So, google drive is now alive. Meh.
[16:54] <thafreak> orly
[16:54] <thafreak> and no fanfair?
[16:54] <thafreak> is it not dropbox quality :)
[16:54] <Unit193> No linux.
[16:55] <jrgifford> no linux indeed.
[16:58] <thafreak> this makes more sense now as to why duplicati added googledocs support
[16:58] <thafreak> it seems docs and drive are basically one in the same
[16:58] <jrgifford> for right now, yeah it is
[16:58] <jrgifford> in the future though... i have a feeling it'll expand
[16:59] <thafreak> but it's probably the same API for adding/uploading files is what I'm saying
[16:59] <jrgifford> yeah.
[17:00] <thafreak> well atleast I can finally hide old docs
[17:00] <thafreak> the whole make a folder, but then the docs in that folder are still in the main view, pissed me off
[17:02] <thafreak> what's also funny, I have about 10 "documents"...99.99% of the files I care about aren't "documents"
[17:02] <thafreak> only students, business types seem to have lots of "documents"
[17:02] <thafreak> let me store random binary data...then i'll be happy :)
[17:16] <canthus13> blargh.
[17:21] <jrgifford> thafreak: yay for random binary data. :)
[17:33] <canthus13> thafreak: The problem is there are a lot of amateurs out there and people want to get to their websites.  And apparently there's more than just godaddy traffic being blocked. :/
[17:34] <canthus13> Level 3 are the amateurs. they screw stuff up every couple of months.. either with internet or with long distance routing.
[17:34] <thafreak> haha
[17:34] <canthus13> not that cogent (one of our other carriers) is any better.
[17:34] <thafreak> yeah, i heard bad things about them all the time
[17:34] <thafreak> haha i've dealt with cogent in the past
[17:35] <canthus13> We had to get a line from AT&T on short notice to rout around cogent a few months ago 'coz of their screwups.
[17:35] <thafreak> they're the carrier for the place i have my server colocated at in florida
[17:35] <thafreak> figures
[17:35] <canthus13> *route
[17:35] <thafreak> i bet most of the problems i have with my colocation host is just cogent sucking then
[17:36] <canthus13> I swear the internet is held together with christmas tinsel and toothpaste.
[17:36] <thafreak> and at the end of the day, we just get blamed for it all
[17:36] <canthus13> yup.
[17:37] <thafreak> you have to admit though, most of this stuff was invented like 40-50+ years ago, and most hasn't really changed in 30+ years
[17:38] <thafreak> so tinsel and toothpaste as it may be, it's held up pretty well...
[17:38] <canthus13> true.
[17:38] <thafreak> but it does suck, and could stand to be improved...preferably some how get away from relying on asshole providers
[17:38] <canthus13> the problem now is it's not one homogenous company running the show.
[17:39] <thafreak> we need a U.N. type body for the internet...
[17:39] <canthus13> that wouldn't stop various providers from screwing up.
[17:39] <canthus13> and I wouldn't model it after something as useless as the U.N. :/
[17:39] <thafreak> so we can put the comcasts and cogents on trial for the internet equivalent of war crimes
[17:40] <thafreak> still, i'd like to see them on trial for crimes against the internet
[17:40] <canthus13> Heh.
[17:41] <canthus13> The bigger danger to the internet right now is congress. :(
[17:43] <thafreak> ikr...congress is like the internet's Syria...
[17:43] <canthus13> the new sopa:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_Protection_Act
[17:43] <thafreak> yeah saw that
[17:43] <thafreak> that mpaa dude just won't give up
[17:44] <thafreak> keeps writing new laws for congress to be behind
[17:44] <thafreak> is that the one that specifically talks about child porn?
[17:44] <thafreak> to basically shame any congress person into approving it...
[17:44] <thafreak> cause what self respecting congress person wouldn't sign an anti child porn law
[17:45] <canthus13> the wiki article doesn't mention child pr0n.
[17:45] <thafreak> good, then hopefully it will die too
[17:46] <canthus13> Even Facebook is on board with this one. :/
[17:46] <jrgifford> Facebook has to play the big game now, because they are trying to go public
[17:46] <thafreak> facebook==assholes anyway
[17:47] <thafreak> any huge company on the internet shouldn't get to say what we should do on the internet
[17:47] <thafreak> esp google!
[17:47] <thafreak> and even more esp facebook
[17:48] <thafreak> they'd sell their own moms ssn to get ahead
[17:48] <thafreak> is zuckerberg's mom on facebook btw?
[17:53] <canthus13> Ok.. latest update.. It appears that it's probably a GoDaddy issue, since we forced the traffic through both cogent and qwest with no improvement. Yay. :P  And it appears that it only affects us... :/
[17:56] <Unit193> Eh, lubuntu.net is GoDaddy it seems, just checked.
[17:57] <canthus13> ...and it's unreachable by me. :P
[17:58] <Unit193> Hah, fine here.
[18:32] <canthus13> I swear.. Godaddy techs just pick a company name out of a hopper and blame them... NOw they're saying it's Qwest's fault... except that our default path to godaddy is Level3.
[18:34] <paultag> godaddy sucks
[18:34] <paultag> I don't know why I use them
[18:45] <canthus13> ...That was rather pathetic for a Visigoth raid.
[18:45]  * canthus13 would have expected plundering and pillaging at the very least. :/
[18:53] <thafreak> name.com people
[18:53] <thafreak> fsck godaddy
[18:56] <Unit193> BiosElement loves them as well.
[18:56] <Unit193> Hah, ASCII art in whois. :P
[19:01] <thafreak> so...there's a colby 7" tablet that's only like $120 running ice cream sandwich
[19:01] <thafreak> but no google apps...
[19:01] <thafreak> tempted to get it
[19:02] <thafreak> 1ghz arm
[19:02]  * paultag ponders
[19:02] <thafreak> i love my 10" tablet, but it's more of a family one...i.e. the wife uses it :)
[19:03] <thafreak> so I leave it at home all the time...would love a smaller one to keep with me
[19:14] <canthus13> thafreak: Coby? That's some seriously crappy stuff.
[19:15]  * canthus13 wouldn't be surprised if the coby tabled had a 100mhz processor.
[19:18] <_bbb_> i picked up a refurbed lenovo k1 recently
[19:19] <_bbb_> tegra2 honeycomb
[19:19] <_bbb_> $250
[19:19] <_bbb_> totally decent i must say
[19:23] <_bbb_> I upgraded from a nook color running cm7 on sd =)
[19:23] <_bbb_> they had that dell streak 7" on woot the other day
[19:23]  * canthus13 avoids woot. It pisses his wife off.
[19:23] <_bbb_> if i did just get this lenovo i might have jumped on that
[19:23] <_bbb_> heh my wife is worse than I on there
[19:27] <canthus13> Ooo.. a woot-off.
[21:05] <BiosElement> Unit193: Yay for late responses, and yes, yes I do :P