[00:01] <bkerensa> orebuntu_: Is it time for a coors light?
[00:01] <orebuntu_> No
[00:01] <bkerensa> :(
[00:01] <bkerensa> always denying me
[00:01] <nathwill> orebuntu is a liar
[00:02] <bkerensa> orebuntu_: Are you a liar?
[00:02] <orebuntu_> Very doubtful.
[00:03] <bkerensa> nathwill: Manatee can learn if you ask it questions and correct it
[00:04] <nathwill> bkerensa, well i bet orebuntu can as well
[00:04] <nathwill> just need the syntax
[00:04] <nathwill> !correct naturally
[00:04] <nathwill> orebuntu_: Are you a liar?
[00:04] <orebuntu_> Most likely not.
[00:04] <nathwill> hrm
[00:05] <nathwill> !s/Most likely not./I always lie./
[00:05] <orebuntu_> nathwill: Sorry, I can't match the expression 'Most likely not.'.
[00:05] <nathwill> hrm
[00:05] <bkerensa> lol
[00:05] <bkerensa> Mythmon on #OSU-LUG likely knows
[00:05] <bkerensa> :D
[00:09] <bkerensa> !help
[00:09] <orebuntu_> Commands: 8ball about admin asshat bc blame cowsay date dc distro echo fail figlet fire fob fortune google googlefight googlepage group hacker hangman help insult limerick lunch me msg notice ping praise proverb quote remindme s score seen slogan tardhat topic uptime urban weather whip wikipath wikipedia wiktionary win woot wtf yoda zima
[00:09] <bkerensa> !figlet Release Candidate
[00:09] <orebuntu_>  ____      _
[00:09] <orebuntu_> |  _ \ ___| | ___  __ _ ___  ___
[00:09] <orebuntu_> | |_) / _ \ |/ _ \/ _` / __|/ _ \
[00:09] <orebuntu_> |  _ <  __/ |  __/ (_| \__ \  __/
[00:09] <orebuntu_> |_| \_\___|_|\___|\__,_|___/\___|
[00:09] <orebuntu_>   ____                _ _     _       _
[00:09] <orebuntu_>  / ___|__ _ _ __   __| (_) __| | __ _| |_ ___
[00:09] <orebuntu_> | |   / _` | '_ \ / _` | |/ _` |/ _` | __/ _ \
[00:09] <orebuntu_> | |__| (_| | | | | (_| | | (_| | (_| | ||  __/
[00:09] <orebuntu_>  \____\__,_|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__,_|\__,_|\__\___|
[00:18] <nathwill> !asshat
[00:18] <orebuntu_> _( Y )_
[00:21] <bkerensa> !uptime
[00:21] <orebuntu_>  00:21:48 up 19 days, 20:23,  0 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[00:22] <bkerensa> nathwill: have you checked out CheEF?
[00:22] <bkerensa> or BeEF?
[00:22] <nathwill> noo...
[00:22] <nathwill> you like the uptime one?
[00:22] <nathwill> i added that :D
[00:23] <bkerensa> :D
[00:24] <bkerensa> nathwill: they are XSS vuln frameworks
[00:24] <bkerensa> you can deploy a chrome extension on your site and if people go there then it installs and you can take control of their browser
[00:25] <bkerensa> http://beefproject.com/
[00:25] <bkerensa> I wonder if kees has had a look at it
[00:46] <nathwill> bkerensa: looks interesting
[00:46] <nathwill> not sure i'm a fan of prebuilt exploit kits...
[01:09]  * bkerensa thinks Thai for dinner is in order
[02:59] <nathwill> so... at first glance, fully 20% of ubuntu-oregon had code commits that made it into 12.04 :)
[03:19] <tgm4883> nathwill, your welcome ;)
[03:31] <nathwill> :) you guys are awesome
[03:32] <nathwill> i may be crazy, but i think that is really damn cool
[03:33] <nathwill> stats were pulled from this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes#Ubuntu_Project_Contributors
[03:33] <orebuntu_> nathwill's tiny URL is http://tinyurl.com/84w8sy9
[03:33] <nathwill> which hasn't even been completely fleshed out yet.
[03:33] <nathwill> so who knows, the number may increase when it is
[03:34] <nathwill> actually, i'm certain that it will go up when they fill out the list of bugs reported by users which got fixed in 12.04
[06:11] <bkerensa> nathwill: can you remind me on Sunday to raffle a OSBridge 2012 ticket?
[06:12]  * bkerensa is gonna forget
[06:14] <nathwill> sure
[06:18] <nathwill> bkerensa: i registered for CLS
[06:18] <bkerensa> nathwill: excellent :)
[06:18] <bkerensa> nathwill: fun times indeed
[06:19] <nathwill> yeah, figured i'd better register, since i planned to attend...
[06:19] <nathwill> i was surprised, honestly, that there it was still open
[06:20] <nathwill> unsurprisingly, i find this evening that no one is seeding 8.04
[06:33] <nathwill> bkerensa: when fixing typos... is it kosher to replace string errors that cascaded through the translations?
[06:33] <nathwill> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~nathwill/checkbox/fix-lp-987652/revision/1369
[06:33] <bkerensa> nathwill: No... I just learned this
[06:33] <nathwill> ah...
[06:33] <nathwill> well balls
[06:33] <bkerensa> nathwill: if you fix the typo the translations should update automagically?
[06:33] <nathwill> i see...
[06:33] <bkerensa> at least I was told
[06:33] <nathwill> that seems to make sense.
[06:34] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I was talking to skaet about release notes and she asked me if there were a good way to go about figuring out which bugsquad members worked on getting bugs to developers to be addressed this cycle... I assume this would not be a easy task unless I just did a e-mail to BugSquad ML and asked people what bugs they worked on and if they got any address by devs?
[06:34] <nathwill> well then... undoing...
[06:35] <bkerensa> nathwill: yeah just revert the translation files but keep the fix then just re-push and let the diff update
[06:35] <nathwill> makes sense.... if only i had not bulk fixed...
[06:35] <bkerensa> nathwill: Hopefully we can re-submit a lot of stuff right around Alpha 1
[06:35] <bkerensa> nathwill: ikr... you try and do it the quick way and bam it makes more work
[06:35] <bkerensa> :D
[06:35] <bkerensa> no more xargs to replace stuff
[06:36] <nathwill> :D
[06:36] <nathwill> but i loves xargs
[06:36] <nathwill> and... it gets lonely if i ignore it
[06:36] <bkerensa> nathwill: but Searchmonkey wants to be your friend
[06:37] <nathwill> i know no searchmonkey
[06:39] <cy1> xargs is so annoying
[06:39] <cy1> because it will not ever support delineating arguments by a newline.
[06:39] <cy1> So it's like find | xargs dosomething => RANDOMLY FAILS OH SHIT YOU HAD A SPACE IN YOUR FILE NAME
[06:40] <cy1> or else you have to do find | perl -pe's/complicated; do stuff; etc /\n/\0' and by then you might as well just write a script in the first place.
[06:40] <cy1> So forgive me if I prefer find -exec to xargs
[06:41] <nathwill> find -exec is also useful...
[06:41] <bkerensa> PERL!?!!!
[06:41] <nathwill> careful now
[06:41] <bkerensa> I only like one perl app
[06:41] <nathwill> perl's the only language i've seen that lets you do something like...
[06:41] <bkerensa> and that tis.... AWStats
[06:42] <bkerensa> like Wat
[06:42] <cy1> perl has more flexible syntax than sed.
[06:42] <nathwill> $line = "this,that,theother"
[06:42] <nathwill> my ($this, $that, $theother) = split(",", $line);
[06:42] <nathwill> because... that is freaking amazing
[06:42] <cy1> uh...
[06:42] <cy1> nathwill: fairly sure python does that too. And lua.
[06:42] <nathwill> oh yeah?
[06:43] <cy1> Assigning to a list of variables?
[06:43] <nathwill> i know neither of those languages, so that's impressive
[06:43] <nathwill> yessir...
[06:43] <cy1> People actually copied that a lot.
[06:43] <cy1> Because it's concise, and not confusing.
[06:43]  * nathwill nods
[06:43] <cy1> In schemes there's "define-values" that does that too.
[06:43] <cy1> but it's horribly verbose ofc
[06:43] <bkerensa> define("this", "that");
[06:43] <bkerensa> echo this;
[06:43] <bkerensa> :P
[06:44] <nathwill> um
[06:44] <nathwill> no
[06:44] <nathwill> well... fwiw, my language skills go bash > php > perl
[06:44] <bkerensa> no CSS?
[06:44] <bkerensa> :D
[06:44] <bkerensa> apparently tis a language
[06:45] <nathwill> so not a language
[06:45] <nathwill> srsly?
[06:45] <nathwill> urgh
[06:45] <bkerensa> I see people calling is a lang on their resumes
[06:45] <bkerensa> ;p
[06:45] <bkerensa> http://swoolley.org/resume.cgi
[06:45] <bkerensa> apparently XHTML is too lol
[06:45] <nathwill> ok... so... i know markup langs (html, css, markdown,yaml), and scripting langs (bash, php, perl), but no "programming" langs, persay
[06:46] <bkerensa> I consider perl, php, asp, html, javascript, tcl etc etc to be "Scripting"
[06:46] <cy1> markup isn't a programming language, more of a formatting language.
[06:46] <cy1> though Haskell sort of blurs the line there.
[06:47] <nathwill> css is a formatting lang as well...
[06:47] <nathwill> if a lang at all...
[06:47] <nathwill> urgh
[06:47] <cy1> yeah I never understood why they didn't make CSS an XML format. It's got this weird JSON-ish flavor to it.
[06:49] <cy1> You're supposed to combine an XML file, an XSLT (XML Stylesheet Language Transformation) and get another XML that presumably has specifics about formatting the browser can just understand.
[06:49] <bkerensa> oh yay they added https://github.com/cdnjs/cdnjs/tree/master/ajax/libs/jquery-history
[06:49] <nathwill> meh. xml can diaf
[06:49] <cy1> And Mozilla is like "LOLNO" and now we have CSS
[06:50] <cy1> I like XML because it's machine parseable.
[06:50] <nathwill> so is json
[06:50] <cy1> Yeah JSON is cool too.
[06:50] <nathwill> with a 1/3 the weight in large objs
[06:50] <cy1> CSS is only JSON-ish though.
[06:50] <nathwill> yeah, i concur.
[06:50] <bkerensa> nathwill: rain there yet? its dripping slightly and seems like the thunder is coming
[06:50] <nathwill> xml beats a plaintext file any day, but.. json beats xml hands down
[06:50] <nathwill> bkerensa: nope
[06:50] <cy1> large objects should be their own separate resource anyway. It's sad we have to try to embed everything in base64 and can't just link to it.
[06:50] <nathwill> hot as hell though
[06:50] <nathwill> and muggy
[06:51] <nathwill> cy1: data-uris
[06:51] <nathwill> omfg
[06:51] <bkerensa> nathwill: so your still on to volunteer at UDS?
[06:51] <nathwill> bkerensa: um...
[06:51] <cy1> data URIs are fun, but ultimately frustrating <3
[06:51] <bkerensa> if so I was going to push your details upstream :D
[06:51] <cy1> You can't stream them or anything, so once the URI gets bigger than Mozilla's limit on header size... you screwed
[06:52] <bkerensa> nathwill: oh darn
[06:52] <bkerensa> nathwill: I mean CLS
[06:52] <bkerensa> sorry
[06:52] <nathwill> data-uris are kind-of ok for sprite replacement...
[06:52]  * bkerensa is tired
[06:52] <nathwill> bkerensa: sure, that sounds like  fun
[06:52]  * bkerensa has to be up early again tomorrow so they can gut our kitchen ceiling
[06:53]  * nathwill too... headed to bed once i straighten out this commit...
[06:53] <cy1> I want content hash key URIs already. Fuck data:, let's just have a huge global database where you can just lookup the data by hash if you need it.
[06:54] <nathwill> ooh
[06:55]  * bkerensa goes to fill the Linbit Chalice Brian_H  gave him with beer
[06:55] <nathwill> i dub this the domain of wikimedia
[06:55] <bkerensa> ?
[06:55] <bkerensa> wikimedia will be at CLS
[06:55] <bkerensa> :)
[06:55] <bkerensa> So will Fedora's Project Lead
[06:55] <bkerensa> you can discuss Ubuntu One on F16 with her :P
[06:56] <nathwill> cool!
[06:56] <nathwill> well, it's there... the guy just needs to push it into the repos
[06:56] <nathwill> instead of hosting it in his own repo
[06:56] <bkerensa> perhaps they wont permit him
[06:59] <nathwill> who knows...
[07:00] <nathwill> as it is, despite Ubuntu One being opensource, and available for porting, it's functioning as vendor lock-in
[07:00] <nathwill> i think the offering is compelling enough that Canonical would do well to sponsor some ports to other distros and widen the potential paying-user-base...
[07:01] <nathwill> but i dunno what their bandwidth, disk space saturation looks like... that might not pay off...
[07:01] <nathwill> anyways... u1 is awesome... and i am tired.
[07:01] <nathwill> have a good night all. see you tomorrow.
[14:49] <bkerensa> nathwill: good morning
[14:49] <bkerensa> orebuntu_: good morning
[14:50] <nathwill> bkerensa: morning :)
[14:58] <bkerensa> slangasek: this is the first release with full Multi-Arch support correct?
[15:01] <bdmurray> bkerensa: the bugsquad members question is a bit vague
[15:02] <bkerensa> bdmurray: she just wanted to know if there was any way to determine bugsquad members who actively got bugs to developers to be fixed and got those fixes accepted
[15:03] <nathwill> ... list all bugs fixed for 12.04, pull users who triaged, determine if that list corresponds to list of bugsquad members
[15:04] <bdmurray> bkerensa: right and 'actively got bugs to developers' isn't very concrete?  does this mean assigning bugs to people or just setting them to triaged or what?
[15:04] <bkerensa> bdmurray: from the wording it was vague but my assumption is she was leaning towards those who assigned work and perhaps even followed up on IRC/E-mail etc to make sure it didn't get left
[15:05] <nathwill> wow xchat just glitched to helll... brb
[15:06] <bdmurray> bkerensa: so this would be challenging but I'd take the precise-changes mailing list as a starting point for bugs fixed and then look the activity that happened in all those bug reports
[15:07] <bkerensa> hmm yeah
[15:07] <bkerensa> seems like a lot of work
[15:07] <bkerensa> but that would likely be the easiest way
[15:08] <bdmurray> you'd just need to define what type of action counts as getting bugs to developers
[15:10] <nathwill> i'd think something as simple as marking it confirmed, adding keywords... even marking it incomplete, because that's prompting for the information necessary for developers...
[15:10] <nathwill> slippery slope to define only specific types of bugsquad work as "counts"
[15:38] <slangasek> bkerensa: multiarch won't be "full" for some time; this is the first release where there's substantial coverage of users' 32-bit software needs using multiarch
[15:44] <bkerensa> gah I walked to get a coffee and a mosquito or something bit my leg
[15:44] <bkerensa> :(
[15:46] <nathwill> HA
[15:46] <nathwill> deet, you should use it!
[15:52] <bkerensa> nathwill: How is your Telugu?
[15:52] <nathwill> telugu?
[15:52] <nathwill> i'm so confused!
[15:52] <nathwill> why all these strange words?
[15:52] <bkerensa> దీని సంఖ్య మంచి
[15:52] <nathwill> oh that!
[15:52] <nathwill> it's fine
[15:52] <bkerensa> nathwill: I am trying to help someone in #ubuntu-locoteams and they speak telugu
[15:52] <nathwill> oh
[15:52] <nathwill> well considering it's a language i've never even heard of...
[15:53] <nathwill> brb
[15:57] <bkerensa> <jono> bkerensa, can you help lead that project?
[15:57]  * bkerensa facepalms
[17:27] <nathwill_afk> bkerensa: what project?
[17:34] <nathwill_afk> bbias
[17:39] <bkerensa> nathwill_afk: transition help.ubuntu.com to Sumo and migrate all of its content
[17:39] <bkerensa> >.<
[17:39] <bkerensa> grunt work
[17:53] <nathwill_afk> ooooh
[17:53] <nathwill_afk> sounds like it
[17:55] <nathwill> bkerensa, you have a link handy for Sumo?
[17:59] <bkerensa> nathwill_meeting: http://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/about/
[18:54] <nathwill> so bkerensa: i'm not seeing how this is something Ubuntu can run an instance of... what the heck are they planning?
[19:05] <nathwill> bkerensa: though i definitely approve of updating help.ubuntu.com
[19:19] <bkerensa> nathwill: why could Ubuntu not run a instance?
[19:19] <bkerensa> ;p;
[19:19] <bkerensa> nathwill: Sumo is a Open Source Help Doc Platform
[19:21] <nathwill> and where are the downloads?
[19:22] <bkerensa> nathwill: Github of course https://github.com/mozilla/sumo-tests
[19:22] <bkerensa> ;p
[19:23] <nathwill> naturally
[19:23] <nathwill> god forbid that be listed in any search results...
[19:23] <nathwill> damn it man, those are just the tests
[19:24] <nathwill> this has got to be the most poorly promoted FOSS project, ever
[19:26] <bkerensa> nathwill: http://www.amazon.com/Kodak-70554-Paper-Sleeves-Pack/dp/B004Q9T78C/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1335290105&sr=8-12
[19:26] <orebuntu_> bkerensa's tiny URL is http://tinyurl.com/8ygjof7
[19:26] <bkerensa> oh!
[19:26] <bkerensa> nathwill: poorly? lol it has its own Planet
[19:27] <nathwill> so how do i get this software?
[19:27] <bkerensa> imho Mozilla spends more money on Marketing and Promoting its projects then Canonical does on LoCo's etc
[19:27]  * bkerensa ducks and hides
[19:28] <bkerensa> nathwill:  also this prints on CD's http://www.amazon.com/Canon-MG5320-Wireless-Printer-5291B019/dp/B005D5M12M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335292610&sr=8-1
[19:28] <orebuntu_> bkerensa's tiny URL is http://tinyurl.com/82tq9uz
[19:28] <bkerensa> so both of those could be the solution
[19:28] <bkerensa> :D
[19:28] <bkerensa> that and a external burner and I think we can definitely blow Canonical CD pricing out of the water
[19:30] <nathwill> with only $500 investment!
[19:30] <nathwill> :D
[19:30] <bkerensa> ?
[19:30] <bkerensa> no
[19:30] <bkerensa> Printer is $100
[19:30] <nathwill> it's cheaper to get approved...
[19:30] <bkerensa> External Drive maybe $40
[19:30] <bkerensa> and sleeves $13
[19:30] <nathwill> brb... searching for sumo is engendering too much rage... smoke break
[19:30] <bkerensa> that will bring the ongoing cost to 5 cents per CD and Sleeve :D
[19:46] <Brian_H> thats not bad :)
[19:52] <bkerensa> Uhh UDS is going to be epic
[19:52] <bkerensa> :D
[19:52] <bkerensa> they are having social events to china town... bars... shopping... bonfires
[19:52] <bkerensa> so much to do
[19:52] <bkerensa> :D
[20:22] <bkero> bonfire?
[20:29] <bkerensa> bkero: at Ocean Beach in SF
[20:29] <bkero> o
[20:29] <bkerensa> bkero: So what time you coming on Sunday with the shirts?
[20:29] <bkerensa> :D
[20:29] <bkero> bkerensa: shirts?
[20:29] <bkerensa> lol
[20:29] <bkero> Let me ask around and see if anybody here in town has shirts
[20:30] <bkerensa> bkero: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/02/25/%23ubuntu-us-or.txt
[20:30] <bkerensa> [03:01] <bkero> bkerensa: you want tshirts?  How many?
[20:30] <bkerensa> :D
[20:30] <bkero> right
[20:31] <bkero> bkerensa: expected attendance?
[20:32] <bkerensa> 30-40
[20:32] <bkerensa> bkero: ^
[20:33] <bkero> bkerensa: putting in the request now
[20:33] <bkerensa> 28 Yes 9 Maybes and about 15 non-RSVP
[20:33] <bkerensa> bkero: Event is April 29th from 1pm to 5pm
[20:33] <bkerensa> :D
[20:33] <bkerensa> bkero: I have tons of lanyards, silicone bracelets, buttons and stickers already though :P
[20:35] <bkero> bkerensa: I put in the request
[20:35] <bkerensa> k
[22:09] <nathwill> so seriously
[22:09] <nathwill> i don't think sumo source is available for download
[22:50] <bkerensa> nathwill: it is very much so
[22:50] <bkerensa> we had a instance running once
[22:50] <nathwill> hrm
[23:24] <c_smith> heyo
[23:35] <c_smith> bkerensa, did you get that email I sent you?
[23:36] <bkerensa> c_smith: I told you the other day that I did and would respond when I get a chance... Its release week and I am also working on projects that are time critical
[23:39] <c_smith> oh, ok
[23:39] <c_smith> did not get that message.
[23:40] <c_smith> gl on those projects. :)