[00:48] <yuriy> hey guys.  I somehow ended up with kde-workspace-bin not installed on my Oneiric system
[00:48] <yuriy> logging in would just give me a black screen
[03:40] <ScottK> Hey there yuriy.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Morning!
[04:31] <Jacky> Morning Hobbsee!
[04:31] <Jacky> How are you?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Pretty good.  Given it's a public holiday here, I was pondering testing kubuntu (again) on my spare hard drive
[04:32] <Hobbsee> I"d forgotten just how dead ubuntu/kubuntu development channels are until europe wakes up!
[04:40] <Jacky> Lol, indeed
[04:40] <Jacky> You'd find a few yanks like me poking in and out.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> That's true.  Surely you should be sleeping by now, though
[04:42] <Hobbsee> unless you're a nocturnal yank
[04:42] <micahg> o/
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hey there, micahg!
[04:43] <micahg> hi Hobbsee
[04:52] <Jacky> Lol, that I am!
[04:56]  * micahg is also
[05:48] <Jacky> o/
[07:30] <tsdgeos> fregl: you coming to uds?
[07:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: all testing appreciated :)
[08:28] <fregl> tsdgeos: no
[08:28] <tsdgeos> fregl: oh :-/
[08:28] <fregl> too much travelling for me lately
[08:28] <Darkwing> fregl: at some point we need to do the music exchange we talked about in orlando :D
[08:29] <fregl> and also not for akademy-es since I'll be visiting my parents at that time
[08:29] <fregl> Darkwing: true
[08:29] <Darkwing> I'm almost never on this late... I just looked at the time heh
[09:06] <Riddell> claydoh: where have you been working on the release announce?
[09:23] <Riddell> claydoh: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Final/Kubuntu is the latest?
[09:48] <TeLLuS> Should #831768 be set to milestone precise-updates also?   aptitude is still no good at solving multiarch, but I was able to solve it manually in aptitude.
[09:50] <Riddell> TeLLuS: aptitude isn't something kubuntu team supports and I don't think any part of ubuntu considers it supported
[09:52] <Tm_T> that
[10:14] <TeLLuS> Riddell: ok, I still use dselect mostly. In Debian it is "At the present time, aptitude is the recommended tool for interaction with the APT suite." http://wiki.debian.org/Apt   In Ubuntu "Aptitude has been replaced by apt-get because apt-get is better and also by removing aptitude it will free some space on CD"   This aptitude statement should probably be made more clear.. when starting it or atleast in description and recomend 
[10:14] <TeLLuS> what to use instead.    I see this for Debian http://www.jethrocarr.com/2012/01/06/apt-get-install-debian/  "‘apt-get’ has been deprecated since 2006… use ‘aptitude’ instead."
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:29] <Riddell> 24 hours to go!
[11:30] <BluesKaj> no updates or upgrades 'til then?
[11:30] <BluesKaj> freeze is on 
[11:31] <BluesKaj> Riddell, how were you guys testing the ISOs ..just running them as a live OS without installing ?
[11:33] <Riddell> BluesKaj: dunno what you mean by no updates, I mean we will release in < 24 hours
[11:33] <Riddell> BluesKaj: there's a few ways
[11:34] <Riddell> I test on bare hardware, there are virtual machine programmes and I use virtualbox and for upgrades I use ec2 cloud machines 
[11:35] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/214/builds lists what needs tested, fill in gaps if you can, don't be afraid to re-test one I don't trust it if e.g. I'm the only one who has tested
[12:43] <Riddell> so anyone know if muon has release upgrade notification?
[12:54]  * ScottK doesn't know how that works.
[12:54] <ScottK> TeLLuS: apt-get is in no way deprecated.  that is just wrong.
[12:54] <Riddell> it'll be part of kubuntu notification helper but I can't work out which
[12:55] <ScottK> Also, powerpc desktop image is fully tested now.  And buy a different guy.
[12:55] <ScottK> buy/by
[12:55] <ScottK> So we got at least two users.
[12:56] <ScottK> shadeslayer: What happened to testing amd64+mac again?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> has aptitude been brought up to date in terms of handling dependencies? ...understand there were some problems with that
[12:58] <Riddell> 10:50 < Riddell> TeLLuS: aptitude isn't something kubuntu team supports and I don't think any part of ubuntu considers it supported
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Riddell, ok thanks 
[12:59]  * BluesKaj makes a note of it
[13:00] <ScottK> Aptitude didn't support multiarch at all.  AIUI it's been improved significantly in this cycle, but is not 'there' yet.
[13:01] <ScottK> Personally, except for aptitude why/why-not I don't find a use for it.
[13:02] <Riddell> anyone someone has apt-get break on them the usual support answer is "just use aptitude it's much better"
[13:02] <Riddell> any vice versa
[13:02] <ScottK> Yes.
[13:03] <ScottK> There was a period where aptitude's resolver was a lot better than apt's.  I don't think that's the case anymore.
[13:03] <Riddell> k-n-h has had dist upgrade notification turned off in favour of kpackagekit
[13:03] <Riddell> which we don't use
[13:03] <Riddell> may I panic now?
[13:05] <BluesKaj> apt-get locked up for no reason yesterday claiming other resources were in use , but none of the regular commands woold break the lock , had to reboot ,
[13:19] <Riddell> how to get a phone number for jontheechidna?
[13:25] <ScottK> You emailed, I assume?
[13:29] <Riddell> yeah
[13:30] <Riddell> I think there is none and it's a big screw up
[13:30] <Riddell> so options are to get k-n-h working as a SRU
[13:31] <Riddell> and to advertise the elegant commmand   do-release-upgrade -f kde
[13:31]  * Riddell looks at k-n-h
[13:37] <debfx> muon-updater has a "Show notifications for distribution upgrades" option
[13:38] <debfx> so unless there is a bug it's all fine
[13:38] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[13:38] <Riddell> debfx: in oneiric?
[13:38] <debfx> oh, right I'm on precise :/
[13:39] <Riddell> no such code in oneiric http://paste.kde.org/463460/
[13:41] <ScottK> "Manual distribution upgrade from the Muon Update Manager. (MUM)" <--Added in 1.3.0.
[13:41] <Riddell> yeah no use today
[13:42] <debfx> Riddell: there is kded/distupgradeevent in muon 1.2.1
[13:43] <Riddell> that's more promising
[13:45] <debfx> of course an option to display a dist upgrade notification for development releases would be very useful for testing ...
[13:47] <Riddell> debfx: change /etc/hosts
[13:48] <Riddell> debfx: add   212.13.202.11 changelogs.ubuntu.com
[13:48] <Riddell> I keep a meta-release file to pretend it has been released there
[13:49] <Riddell> /usr/share/kde4/apps/muon-notifier/releasechecker
[13:50] <Riddell> that is part of muon-installer
[13:50] <Riddell> no, part of muon-notifier
[14:11] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see the mail from John the taco?
[14:11] <Riddell> debfx: /usr/share/kde4/apps/muon-notifier/releasechecker only checks for development releases
[14:11] <Riddell> ScottK: no where?
[14:11] <ScottK> kubuntu-devel
[14:12] <ScottK> Mentions some patches you'll need.
[14:12] <ScottK> Also you're cc'ed directly if that affects where it lands.
[14:12] <debfx> I guess we need an accelerated muon SRU
[14:13] <Riddell> good that confirms the conclusion I just came to
[14:13] <Riddell> any volunteers or shall I crack on with it?
[14:13] <ScottK> Crack on.
[14:13]  * Riddell cracks on
[14:13] <Riddell> actually, this might call for my emergency irn bru
[14:18]  * ScottK starts to download a oneiric iSO ...
[14:38] <jcgs> Hi, I've been trying to rebuild kmix from source, to replace the version in precise which is horribly broken, and i wondered if anyone could help me. I was using uupdate, but all that does is give me a kdemultimedia package with just kmix in it. How can i replace just the kmix directory?
[14:40] <jcgs> In summary, how can i replace part of a package, with the code i've got in a source directory
[14:44] <Riddell> jcgs: sorry we're busy on release mode just now
[14:44] <Riddell> kmix being crashy is a known issue that I'm afraid we'll have to do another day
[14:45] <ScottK> It'll be fixed in 4.8.3 which we'll release as a post-release update for 12.04.
[14:45] <jcgs> Riddell: I know, there's no way it's going to make it into the release, but, do you know where i could get help to answer my question?
[14:46] <ScottK> jcgs: Here if we weren't a bit busy.
[14:46] <Riddell> 24 hours before release is not a great time for help
[14:46]  * Riddell compiles muon
[14:47] <ScottK> The short version is you really can't trivially build just kmix, but you can get the package make the changes you want and the rebuild all of kime.
[14:47] <jcgs> oh...it's tomorrow? good luck guys :)
[14:48] <jcgs> that's kind of what i'm trying to do, but i don't know enough about how packages work to know if just over-writing the entire directory in the kdemultimedia package will work or not 
[14:48] <jcgs> but anyway, i'll get out of your hair
[14:49] <ScottK> Probably will if you're just grabbing the 4.8 branch multimedia.
[14:55] <ScottK> yofel_: Around and able to run a test?
[14:55] <jcgs> ScottK: Unfortunately, everything's been moved over to git and split up. So there's no multimedia to grab, everything appears to be stored in git separately
[14:56] <ScottK> Then it make take some CMake file fiddling to get it to work but you still ought to be able to drop the kmix files in.
[14:56] <ScottK> may take ...
[14:59] <yofel_> ScottK: yes
[15:00] <ScottK> yofel: There's one amd64 dvd test case left (oem).  Can you do it?
[15:00] <yofel> yes, but nor right now, I'll do it in an ~hour
[15:00] <yofel> *not
[15:00] <ScottK> That works.
[15:01] <ScottK> As long as the ~ doesn't turn into a shadeslayer kind of "I'll test it in a little bit".
[15:01] <yofel> jcgs: kmix from git is actually buildably by itself now - but not the 4.8 branch
[15:01] <yofel> (the git repositories are kind of broken)
[15:02] <ScottK> 1,161 installed, 406 upgradeable <-- Fresh Oneiric install.  No post-release churn there.
[15:03] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll have a system I can test upgrades with once ^^^ updates finish.
[15:04] <Riddell> that might take a while :)
[15:04] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm going to say no to jon wanting another patch for SRU, I'm too stressed as it is
[15:04] <ScottK> Fortunately the us archive is much faster today than yesterday.
[15:05] <ScottK> OK.  He can do his own SRU next week.  This emergency SRU should definitely be minimal.
[15:15] <bambee_> steam on linux... omg <3
[15:15] <bambee_> I hope, they'll port portal & portal 2
[15:26] <sreich> bambee_: link?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> there's someone trying do-release-upgrade -d but it doesn't do anything ...anyone know what that fix is ?
[15:45] <Riddell> BluesKaj: point them at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu
[15:45] <BluesKaj> also asking in ubuntu+1 , but no response
[15:46] <BluesKaj> thanks Riddell 
[15:54] <BluesKaj> UnicodeEncodeError is preventing the upgrade ..where is that set ?
[15:55] <Riddell> that's a bug
[15:55] <Riddell> what language?
[15:55] <yofel> sounds like python, meaning we'll need a backtrace
[16:05] <BluesKaj> yofel, UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u0119' in position 16: ordinal not in range(128)
[16:06] <ScottK> That's python
[16:06] <tsimpson> it looks like an error in do-release-upgrade
[16:06] <ScottK> And it probably means you don't have a locale properly set.
[16:06] <ScottK> e.g. running inside a chroot.
[16:07] <ScottK> I've gotten that trying to run do-release-upgrade inside a chroot for testing 
[16:07] <Riddell> a full backtrace on a pastebin would be much easier
[16:08] <BluesKaj> Riddell, i'll try to get a backtrace 
[16:08] <Riddell> oh jings muon in oneiric really does crash
[16:09] <Riddell> makes a dist-upgrade hard to do
[16:10] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm installing the new muon now.
[16:11] <ScottK> Is there something I need to do to convince to notice there's a new release?
[16:11] <Riddell> ScottK: from an archive or elsewhere?
[16:11] <ScottK> From the archive
[16:11] <ScottK> Since pitti went ahead and accepted it.
[16:12] <Riddell> ScottK: dunno I did a log out and in and I think that's what I'll advise in the upgrade instructions
[16:12] <Riddell> it's a kded module and that's the easiest way to restart it
[16:12] <ScottK> OK.  Trying.
[16:12] <Riddell> then it's a notifier from the panel
[16:15] <ScottK> Trying a reboot.  The system was in an odd state after logging out/in (wouldn't connect to wifi either)
[16:16] <Riddell> ok
[16:16] <Riddell> I'm doing an oneiric upgrade too so I'll do reboot when it's done
[16:16] <Riddell> (after all this oneiric testing there's still a full hardware upgrade from lucid I want to test)
[16:22] <ScottK> No notification here, but it's a netbook, so who knows.
[16:22]  * ScottK waits a bit.
[16:22] <Riddell> ScottK: oh wait
[16:22] <Riddell> did you update the DNS?
[16:22] <Riddell> 212.13.202.11 changelogs.ubuntu.com
[16:22] <Riddell> in /etc/hosts
[16:22] <ScottK> No.
[16:22]  * ScottK adds
[16:22] <Riddell> that's the secret for testing
[16:24] <ScottK> Not a secret anymore ...
[16:31] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm off out for a couple of hours but if it's all working you can convince someone to move it to oneiric-updates
[16:31] <ScottK> It didn't work here yet.
[16:32] <ScottK> I verified I'm hitting 19inch for changelogs.ubuntu.com, so I know I got that bit right.
[16:32] <Riddell> yes I see it in the logs
[16:32] <Riddell> actually I don't see a GET /meta-release in the logs from you
[16:32] <ScottK> What causes that to happen?
[16:33] <Riddell> ScottK: rekonq
[16:33] <Riddell> so that's you doing it manually
[16:33] <Riddell> no hits from pythonlib which is the updater script
[16:34] <ScottK> I told muon to check for updates.
[16:34] <Riddell> ScottK: got /usr/share/kde4/apps/muon-notifier/releasechecker installed?
[16:34] <Riddell> muon-notifier is a kded module which shows as a panel applet
[16:34] <ScottK> yes
[16:36] <Riddell> ScottK: does releasechecker contain MetaReleaseCore(False, False) ?
[16:36] <Riddell> did you log in/out after changing the dns ?
[16:36] <ScottK> It does and I did.
[16:37] <ScottK> If I run it by hand, it prints out "we haz an release" to stdout.
[16:37] <Riddell> ScottK: yes I just got changelogs.ubuntu.com static-72-81-252-21.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net - - [25/Apr/2012:17:36:58 +0100] "GET /meta-release HTTP/1.1" 200 8241 "-" "Python-urllib/2.7" 0
[16:37] <Riddell> hum I'm afraid I need to go
[16:38] <ScottK> OK.
[16:38] <Riddell> it worked for me from an ec2 machine but I'll test it on the real hardware when I get back
[16:38] <ScottK> OK.
[16:38] <Promethes> hi, i have problem with upgrading from 11.10 to 12.04.  i tried sudo do-release-upgrade -f kde -d without any success
[16:38] <Riddell> ScottK: if you can convince balloons to test that might be useful
[16:38] <Promethes> sudo do-release-upgrade -d with the same effects: nothing
[16:39] <ScottK> OK
[16:40] <Promethes> kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade executed from terminal gives error http://paste.kde.org/463574/ afer entering password
[16:40] <ScottK> Promethes: How about sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d
[16:40] <Promethes> running " LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade" fixes error from my previous message
[16:41] <Promethes> ScottK: the same
[16:41] <Promethes> LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade fixes python error but update does not occur
[16:41] <ScottK> What happens?
[16:43] <Promethes> "Checking for a new ubuntu release" and "No new release found"
[16:45] <Promethes> i tried do-release-upgrade with many options (-d -f kde -m desktop) - still, upgrade does not occur
[16:46] <ScottK> Try it with 212.13.202.11 changelogs.ubuntu.com in /etc/hosts
[16:47] <yofel> Promethes: what is Prompt set to in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ?
[16:49] <Promethes> lts
[16:49] <Promethes> but in muon it is set to normal
[16:50] <ScottK> Promethes: What are you upgrading from?
[16:50] <Promethes> ScottK: kubuntu 11.10
[16:51] <ScottK> Then you need to set it to normal.
[16:51] <ScottK> Normal
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I had a medical emergency at home, will test tonight, it's downloading right now
[16:53] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'm sorry to hear that.  I hope everything's OK.
[16:54] <Promethes> ScottK: i think there is a bug in Muon's software sources because i set option 'Show new distribution releases: to never", and in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is now set normal, when i set normal then in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is lts
[16:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can't say yet, my grandfather is under observation in the ICU
[16:55] <ScottK> Yuck.  
[16:57] <ScottK> Promethes: Could be.  I'd manually edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades to Normal and then see what happens.
[16:58] <Promethes> ScottK: already done, upgrade to precise is on the way:)
[16:58] <ScottK> great.
[16:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: known bug
[16:58] <shadeslayer> yofel was responsible for it
[17:00] <ScottK> shadeslayer: amd64 images are being respun, so keep an eye out for an update.
[17:01] <ScottK> Nevermind.
[17:01] <ScottK> amd64 respin doesn't affect us.
[17:02] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:03] <shadeslayer> ETA to download is 2 hours
[17:04] <ScottK> yofel: ^^^ that helps a lot.
[17:04] <yofel> \o/
[17:04] <ScottK> So we just need the one amd64 dvd test case from you.
[17:20] <yofel> test running
[17:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: did you have time to look into fixing that s-p-kde bug properly?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:23] <shadeslayer> I thought you said your workaround is fine for the moment
[17:23] <yofel> well, it works.
[17:23] <shadeslayer> which I interpreted as "Lets just use this and fix this properly later on"
[17:23] <yofel> I'll try to convert that into an SRU
[17:24] <shadeslayer> and later on for me is next week
[17:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: well yeah, that's what I planned as well
[17:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: how do you get vim to highlight empty spaces?
[17:26] <shadeslayer> like in emacs
[17:26] <shadeslayer> it shows a red block
[17:27] <shadeslayer> I used :set list and it shows me $ symbols
[17:27] <shadeslayer> not particularly effective in highlighting
[17:27] <shadeslayer> and when reading large blocks of code, the spaces don't stand out
[17:27] <yofel> define empty spaces...
[17:27] <shadeslayer>     <- those
[17:27] <yofel> trailing spaces you mean?
[17:28] <shadeslayer> right, that's the word I was looking for
[17:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: /\s\+$ is the search for that, map that to some key if you need
[17:30] <shadeslayer> oh sweet
[17:30] <shadeslayer> thanks
[17:35] <yofel> ScottK: test passed
[17:35] <ScottK> yofel: Excellent.
[17:36] <ScottK> OK.  That's i386 and amd64 done.
[17:36] <ScottK> Now we wait for shadeslayer.
[17:36] <shadeslayer> yup, 52 mins ETA
[17:37] <ScottK> OK.
[17:39] <shadeslayer> So, I was wondering, can we get pommed onto our CD for the Q cycle
[17:39] <shadeslayer> since we are moving to universe ..
[17:39] <shadeslayer> it's really helpful for Apple hardware
[17:39] <shadeslayer> so we could just seed it onto the Mac images
[17:39] <yofel> well, put it on the Q todo for now
[17:39] <shadeslayer> cool
[17:40] <shadeslayer> Thank god the fans work without macfantld in EFI boot
[17:41] <shadeslayer> *macfanctld
[17:44] <bambee_> sreich: goo.gl/5kUfq and http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfnudeln&num=1
[17:44] <bambee_> http:// goo.gl/5kUfq
[17:45] <bambee_> and apparently, valve might sponsor nouveau :)
[17:49] <shadeslayer> whut
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Companies sponsoring FOSS stuff that makes you get all excited by future opportunities
[17:50] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:50] <yofel> sponsor nouveau??
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Does this mean they're working on a Linux Steam client xD
[17:50] <yofel> well, they'll probably first have to vastly improve mesa, so have fun
[17:51] <yofel> oh, that would be nice :D
[17:51] <shadeslayer> nice is underselling it
[17:51] <shadeslayer> it will be AWESOME
[17:51] <shadeslayer> Did I mention that I saw a script to install steam on linux in the unpacked blob of the steam installer
[17:51] <shadeslayer> Didn't try it
[17:53] <Riddell> hi
[17:53] <shadeslayer> yo Riddell
[17:55] <ScottK> Heya Riddell.
[17:55] <ScottK> Riddell: The amd64 respin doesn't affect us, so that's one thing not to worry about.  balloons is off doing an upgrade test.  No luck for me.
[17:56] <ScottK> yofel finished the amd64 dvd tests, so we're just waiting for shadeslayer's amd64+mac download to finish, powerpc alternate (in progress) and see if ogra can manage to make omap work.
[17:56] <ScottK> He's having some trouble with it (described on #ubuntu-release)
[17:56] <ScottK> powerpc desktop tests all passed, so we can release that one.
[17:57] <ScottK> That's the status.
[17:57] <Riddell> nice thanks
[17:57]  * ScottK hopes claydoh has release notes in hand as he hasn't checked.
[17:58] <Riddell> they could do with an eye over to make sure all the bugs are included
[17:58] <Riddell> and I haven't looked at the release announcement at all yet but that needs moved to kubuntu.org
[18:00]  * ScottK is in need of a little lie down and then actually ought to get some $WORK done today.
[18:01] <Riddell> rest your weary head
[18:20] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 988349 works for me
[18:43] <ScottK> OK.
[18:43] <ScottK> Let's call it a win then.
[18:44] <Riddell> ScottK: it's moved to precise-updates although I'd still like someone else to test it
[18:44] <Riddell> ScottK: maybe you didn't have wifi connected when kded4 started?
[18:45] <ScottK> Probably hadn't come up yet.  That'd have done it.
[18:46]  * ScottK goes for some ethernet.
[18:47] <Riddell> that'll be solved for next time I think muon has a check when you start the app
[18:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Works when I have ethernet at login.
[18:55] <Riddell> ScottK: ok I'll mind and note that in the upgrade instructions
[18:55] <Riddell> I've a feeling we'll be getting a lot of "I can't work out how to upgrade" questions
[18:56] <BluesKaj> Riddell, yup , already had about 5 or 6 in 2 days
[18:57] <Riddell> BluesKaj: any feelings on what the cause is?
[18:57] <Riddell> people not reading the instructions or instructions not being clear?
[18:57] <BluesKaj> one guy managed to find the bug in muon..I'll quote his findings 
[18:58] <ScottK> Riddell: We also need to mention checking in  /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades.  It needs to be set to Normal if upgrading from oneiric. and due to 'bugs' some aren't.
[18:58] <ScottK> oneiric./oneiric
[19:00] <Riddell> ScottK: huh?  some oneiric users have it set to lts?
[19:00] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:00] <Riddell> ug
[19:00] <ScottK> Ran into that today.
[19:01] <BluesKaj> here's the quote ..." there is a bug in muon, in sources dialog, i've set option 'Show new distribution releases: to never", and in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is now set normal.  previously in muon setting was at normal but in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades , actually was set to LTS - and that was stopping the upgrade
[19:01] <Riddell> oh yes that rings a bell
[19:02] <yofel> I'm currently trying to figure out how to best do an SRU for that
[19:02] <Riddell> i've a feeling yofel fixed software-properties-kde and it never went any further
[19:02] <yofel> it's bug 944876  btw.
[19:02] <Riddell> yofel: so you fixed it in precise?
[19:03] <BluesKaj> fixed in oneiric would be best tho
[19:03] <yofel> there's a merge request that got stuck because I never managed to get a hold of mvo
[19:03] <ScottK> No, it got lost in the shuffle.
[19:03] <Riddell> but nobody bothered to take it further, tsk to me
[19:03] <yofel> well, I'll share the blame
[19:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Still awake?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> yeo
[19:04] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:04] <shadeslayer> 4 minutes till download done
[19:04] <Riddell> yofel: isn't it just the same code change for oneiric?  that hasn't changed in years
[19:04] <yofel> same
[19:04] <Riddell> yofel: ok so poke me into doing the SRU if mvo isn't around
[19:05] <yofel> he isn't, at least not in #ubuntu-devel
[19:05] <shadeslayer> FWIW .... Last day of uni tomorrow
[19:05] <shadeslayer> \o/
[19:05] <shadeslayer> then exams for 2 months >.>
[19:06] <Riddell> hear that guys? shadeslayer is free for the next two months!
[19:06] <yofel> oh noes, when you have exams we need to travel to the himalaya to find you
[19:06] <shadeslayer> what no
[19:06] <jussi> haha
[19:07] <Riddell> 16 hours to go!
[19:07]  * shadeslayer pokes zsync to pick it up
[19:08] <jussi> Riddell: Darkwing, agateau, do we have any more info about blue systems?  like their webpage is super un informative... (or Ive been looking at the wrong page?)
[19:08] <shadeslayer> ^
[19:09] <Darkwing> jussi: I talked to them today... I'll have updates within 24 hours
[19:09] <jussi> ok :)
[19:10] <shadeslayer> Burning ISO, this is going to take a bit
[19:10] <shadeslayer> oh wait, can't I just boot the ISO using grub2
[19:11] <shadeslayer> That's going to be easier ..
[19:11] <shadeslayer> and faster
[19:11] <Riddell> usb drive is my preferred way generally
[19:12] <jussi> grub2 can boot an ISO? instructions please!
[19:12] <shadeslayer> jussi: a quick google gives me : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1535864
[19:13] <Darkwing> http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2009/05/25/boot-an-iso-via-grub2/
[19:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: My mac can't boot stuff off a USB
[19:13] <shadeslayer> stupid EFI
[19:17] <ScottK> Riddell: While there's a break in the action, you might want to sign off on amd64/i386 Desktop/Alternate/DVD so they can be moved to the 'done' part of the tracker.
[19:21] <ScottK> oh, and armhf too 
[19:21] <yofel> hm, Quantal Quetzal... somehow missed the news
[19:22] <ScottK> Gotta pay attention.
[19:22] <shadeslayer> I had to look up what a Quetzal is and how to pronounce it
[19:22] <Riddell> ScottK: signed off on desktop, alternate amd64 i386, on pre-installed armhf+omap4  on dvd amd64 i386  and Kubuntu Active  i386
[19:23] <ScottK> Excellent.
[19:23] <ScottK> How about armel+omap?
[19:23] <ScottK> err armhf
[19:23] <shadeslayer> ScottK: rebooting to test, I can't do a full install though
[19:23] <shadeslayer> I can just test the live enviroment
[19:24]  * BluesKaj wonders whether the kmail segfaults are getting any attention ... the crashes are are getting more persistent and greater in number
[19:24] <Riddell> ScottK: latest news is ogra had troubles which he thought were due to his sd card and infinity is trying
[19:24] <shadeslayer> *environment
[19:24] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.
[19:24] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you do more than that over the weekend?
[19:25] <shadeslayer> yeah, debugging my test
[19:25] <jussi> ok, this has got to be the funniest job title ever... :D http://www.mol.fi/paikat/Job.do?lang=fi&jobID=7968727&index=138&anchor=7968727 :P
[19:25] <yofel> BluesKaj: any particular steps to reproduce them? kmail is rock solid for me
[19:26] <yofel> brb
[19:28] <ScottK> yofel: I've had trouble with the akonadi_mailfilter_agent being crashy in the presence of bad data.
[19:34] <shadeslayer_ISO> \o
[19:35] <shadeslayer_ISO> Soo ... Desktop effects inactive on first boot
[19:35] <shadeslayer_ISO> Needs linux-firmware-nonfree to get WiFi working 
[19:36] <ScottK> Not particularly notable.
[19:37] <BluesKaj> yofel , when trying to move emails to trash or any other folders , mostly
[19:37] <shadeslayer_ISO> Fans don't work, expected, they work under EFI without any mods, and under BIOS mode they need macfanctld
[19:39] <BluesKaj> yofel, on 12.04 beta btw
[19:40] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/ubuntu/precise/software-properties/944876/+merge/103549 is for precise if you want to upload, oneiric is pretty much the same thing against the other branch
[19:42] <shadeslayer_ISO> whut
[19:42] <shadeslayer_ISO> Open Muon Software Center > Get Software > Science & Engineering > Physics > Avogadro > Click on website
[19:42] <Riddell> proofreaders needed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu
[19:42] <shadeslayer_ISO> rekonq opens : http://www.eglibc.org/home
[19:46] <shadeslayer_ISO> can anyone confirm that?
[19:48]  * Riddell busy
[19:48] <yofel> firefox opens the right page
[19:48]  * yofel tries rekonq
[19:49] <yofel> uh
[19:49] <yofel> KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/firefox-4.0-4.0b8pre/firefox-4.0'
[19:49] <BluesKaj> Riddell, gave it quick read , all seems fine 
[19:49] <Riddell> thanks BluesKaj 
[19:49] <yofel> *something*'s foobared with my configs
[19:49] <shadeslayer_ISO> 0.o
[19:49] <shadeslayer_ISO> anyway, after refreshing sources it works fine
[19:52] <yofel> k fixed, had old minefield entries in my mime settings for html
[19:52] <yofel> Riddell: worth mentioning the policy bug there? otherwise fine
[19:52] <shadeslayer_ISO> uhh
[19:52] <shadeslayer_ISO> Darkwing: ping
[19:53] <yofel> or just put that under known issues?
[19:53] <Darkwing> shadeslayer_ISO: pong
[19:53] <Riddell> yofel: that was my question, what to say about that?
[19:53] <Riddell> yofel: or should we try for an emergency SRU?
[19:53] <shadeslayer_ISO> Darkwing: Under "Kubuntu Releases" I have 2 links that say "the section called “Kubuntu 12.04”" and "the section called “Kubuntu 12.04 with Plasma Netbook ”"
[19:53] <shadeslayer_ISO> is that intentional?
[19:53] <yofel> I would vote for latter actually
[19:54] <Darkwing> shadeslayer_ISO: in the official docs?
[19:54] <shadeslayer_ISO> Darkwing: this is under the Kubuntu docs
[19:54] <shadeslayer_ISO> yes
[19:55] <Darkwing> shadeslayer_ISO: No... I'll have a look. We are going to be fixing docs, translation then release the translations and fixed docs for 12.04.1
[19:55] <shadeslayer_ISO> cool
[19:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Test upgrade with the fixed notifier finished successfully.
[19:57] <shadeslayer_ISO> ScottK: amd64+mac looks good
[19:57] <Riddell> ScottK: yay
[19:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer_ISO: Mark it on the tracker please.
[19:59] <shadeslayer_ISO> doing that right now :)
[19:59] <ScottK> Excellent.
[20:01] <shadeslayer_ISO> awesome, rebooting now
[20:01] <ScottK> Ironically, timing wise, I finally talked my daughter into booting the image on her mac.
[20:09] <shadeslayer> hah :D
[20:10] <shadeslayer> No need to tell her that I finished testing, maybe she'll like it so much that she'll install it 
[20:13] <ScottK> No.  No risk of that.
[20:13] <ScottK> She used Kubuntu before she bought the Mac.
[20:14] <ScottK> "I bought a Mac because I don't trust Windows and I don't like Linux"
[20:15] <shadeslayer> And she trusts OS X? haha
[20:15] <shadeslayer> The one reason I switched from BIOS to EFI was that who knows what they put into their BIOS Emulation layer
[20:16] <shadeslayer> Also, the recent security scare with the java vulnerability
[20:16] <ScottK> Yes.  We've discussed that one.
[20:16] <ScottK> I agree it's more trustable than Windows though.
[20:17] <shadeslayer> true that
[20:17] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Can you get some install testing done?  We really need that to be able to release the images I think (final call is Riddell's).
[20:18] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I installed the image that was released before this one
[20:18] <shadeslayer> so unless it contained some fixes in the installer, we should be fine
[20:21] <ScottK> How about the alternate?
[20:21] <shadeslayer> what exactly changed in this ISO btw?
[20:21] <shadeslayer> What about the alternate ISO?
[20:21] <ScottK> Does it work?
[20:21] <shadeslayer> I can burn and boot it
[20:21] <shadeslayer> I'll check
[20:24] <shadeslayer> It's going to take some time to download
[20:24] <shadeslayer> an hour atleast
[20:27] <shadeslayer> and pull-lp-source seems to be broken 0.o
[20:28] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/463688/
[20:50] <ronnoc_> I downloaded and tested the alternate 32-bit install and put it to metal on an old HP laptop (non PAE). Everything went as expected.
[20:53] <Riddell> ronnoc: lovely
[20:53] <Riddell> ronnoc: can you mark it on the iso tracker?
[20:56] <ronnoc> Riddell: sure
[21:00] <ronnoc> I'm assuming that "Hardware Profile" on the ISO Testing Tracker would be an uploaded version of "lshw -html > hardware.html" hosted somewhere? 
[21:01] <Riddell> um I've no idea I'm afraid
[21:01] <Riddell> yofel: are you able to do the test for oneiric?  (I can supply an ec2 if needed)
[21:03] <ronnoc> Riddell: It's cool. I'll just upload the file to my U1 account and share it and post the resulting URL in the field in case someone's interested :)
[21:04] <yofel> Riddell: I've got a oneiric system around to test on 
[21:07] <yofel> ronnoc: that's about what I did for hardware profile
[21:08] <ronnoc> yofel: Yea I couldn't imagine it being anything else, unless it's for some links for Ubuntu Friendly, but I would think that would be stated if so
[21:34] <Riddell> proofreaders needed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu/10.04LTS
[21:35] <shadeslayer> 10.04 ?
[21:35] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:36] <shadeslayer> Looks good
[21:36] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I don't think I can test the alternate image today
[21:39] <ScottK> Ack.
[21:43] <ronnoc> Are you guys looking for Alternate amd64 testing? I can help out.
[21:44] <Riddell> ScottK: ^^
[21:45] <Riddell> ronnoc: it's amd64+mac that is needed
[21:45] <Riddell> which is pretty specialist
[21:46] <ronnoc> Riddell: Ok. No access to a mac for me. I'm going to test the Alternate amd64 OEM install for the heck of it. No test cases listed yet. Unless you can think of anything non-mac that's more pressing.
[21:47] <Riddell> ronnoc: more tests the merrier, upgrade testing good too
[21:55] <Riddell> Mamarok: did you get anywhere with bug 955826 ?
[21:56] <Mamarok> Riddell: no, still crashes on KDE start
[21:56] <Mamarok> it is in the autostart folder where it should be, still doesn't work
[21:57] <Mamarok> and I don't even get a message about the segfault
[22:04] <Riddell> Mamarok: ug, evil
[22:04] <Riddell> Mamarok: mine freezes on start
[22:04] <Riddell> both issues seem to be unique
[22:04] <Mamarok> ouch
[22:04] <Riddell> freezes for 30 second then carries on
[22:05] <Riddell> it's all debuggable but needs more time than I have 
[22:05] <Mamarok> do the plasma people have an idea what is going on? They are not very responsive
[22:05] <TeLLuS> Riddell: Do you have any file mount that could cause it?
[22:05] <Riddell> no quick fixes and as I say any debugging needs more time than I have found alas
[22:05] <Riddell> TeLLuS: nope
[22:08] <Riddell> I've only got three kubuntu specific bugs listed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu#Applications
[22:08] <Riddell> we must have more bugs than three which are confirmed?
[22:13] <TeLLuS> Riddell: I have noticed that my NFS mount causes stops in KDE that I have to wait 15-30 seonds before I can continue to use any program.  I beleave there is something watching disk signals or something that can halt the rest of kde while it waits for some syscall..
[22:14] <Riddell> TeLLuS: yes that sounds likely, NFS is troublesome for that sort of thing
[22:14] <Riddell> 12 hours to go!
[22:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Since the amd64+mac images were fully tested over the weekend, I think as long as they have a basic smoke test, then I think they are ~OK for release.
[22:16] <ScottK> More testing is obviously better (I've asked balloons and jibel)
[22:17] <TeLLuS> I noticed on earlier versions the same thing when a mount of someting was wrong, KDE started but only displayed an empty clean background and never got any futher..  I have not had any of the mount errors lately so I dont know if that problem exists anymore
[22:18] <ScottK> Riddell: powerpc tested.  I'll sign off on those unless you changed the manifest.
[22:18] <Riddell> ScottK: go ahead
[22:18] <ScottK> OK.
[22:20] <ScottK> Done.
[22:30] <Riddell> yofel: able to test s-p-k now?
[22:30] <ScottK> Preferably on amd64 ...
[22:31] <ScottK> We need a full upgrade test on amd64.
[22:47] <ronnoc> ScottK: I have an 11.10 AMD 64 box I can test the upgrade on. Just let me know any variables I need to be aware of 
[22:48] <ScottK> It would be best if you can install muon and s-p-k from oneiric-updates/proposed so you can also validate proper automatic notification.
[22:49] <Riddell> ronnoc: we especially need bug 944876 validated
[22:49] <ScottK> To do this, you need to install those packages, add  212.13.202.11 changelogs.ubuntu.com to /etc/hosts, logout, login and you should get notified there's an upgrade
[22:50] <ScottK> (as Riddell says)
[22:50] <ronnoc> Ok :) I did notice that /etc/update-manager had "LTS" set instead of normal and I changed it, but I'll gladly do as you say - As soon as an in-progress iso is downloaded :)
[23:32] <claydoh> Riddell: ScottK https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Final/Kubuntu
[23:33] <Riddell> claydoh: lovely thanks
[23:33] <claydoh> hope its looks ok 
[23:34] <claydoh> now off to bed :( 
[23:34] <claydoh> maybe
[23:34] <Riddell> sleep well claydoh, thanks for the help!