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pangolinmhall119: 3.5% tip is more than sufficient, round down to 3% to make it easier to calculate00:00
mhall119then I'm pretty sure I over-tipped00:00
pangolinand never go back to that restaurant again00:00
jonomhall119, heh00:01
mhall119I'm used to 15% being the baseline00:01
jonopangolin, sufficient for where?00:01
jonoI am a big believer in over-tipping00:01
jono:-)00:01
pangolinjono: I guess <sarcasm> didn't come through the ircs00:01
jonoparticularly if you are a regular00:01
jonopangolin, LOL00:01
jonoI was gonna say... :-)00:01
* pangolin worked as a waiter for 4 years00:01
pangolinI never calculated what percentage I was given, just put it in my pocket and kept working00:02
pangolinsee, the owner/boss doesn't care about your tip. All they care is that the customer leaves happy.00:03
jonoright00:04
jonopangolin, what kind of restaurant did you work at?00:04
* jono is a restaurant geek00:04
pangolinItalian restaurant00:04
pangolinWhen I realized that the boss didn't care. I also stopped caring about tips and decided that if I aimed for happy customers I did my job, the money just comes.00:05
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jo-erlendHmm. I really wish Magnatune was on by default in 12.04. It's already installed, after all. Guess it's too late now, huh?04:40
jo-erlendI really love that Ubuntu makes it easier to purchase software and music. But not at the expense of FOSS, or artists who share their music as CC but still would like to make a living. Need to be able to think two thoughts at the same time here.04:55
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dholbachgood morning07:01
forestpiskiemorning dholbach07:03
dholbachhi forestpiskie07:04
forestpiskieI would say good morning - but once again it is raining cat's and dogs :)07:04
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quantal_quetzal\o/07:23
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czajkowskialoha08:02
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akgranerDaviey, hey - what's a good time today?12:01
Davieyakgraner: Can we make it tomorrow?  Then mrevell and myself can be there.12:15
akgranerperfect, what time and I'll send invites to you all and put it on my Calendar and blog we will be doing a live stream etc. :-)12:15
nigelbDaviey: Are you already in CA?12:27
Davieynigelb: no, i was last week, will be arriving back on Sunday :)12:27
nigelbDaviey: Crazy :P12:28
nigelbOpenStack thing and back again for pre-UDS + UDS?12:28
* nigelb bows12:28
Davieynigelb: right12:29
nigelbDaviey: Your sleep cycle must be awesome (as always)12:33
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jbichadpm: have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/ today?12:34
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* dpm hugs jbicha :)12:35
dpmawesome12:35
jbichamdke did all of the theme work12:36
nigelboh wow.12:37
nigelb<312:37
dpmgood work both of you12:37
dpmjbicha, we should now make the front page translatable :)12:37
jbichadpm: the entire thing supports translations, it's just not on LP (yet?)12:38
popeydpm: do you know who looks after spreadubuntu?12:38
popeythe translations seem quite broken, i get various languages as i navigate the site12:39
dpmpopey, no, I don't know. I seem to remember it was someone from the Italian team12:39
* dpm looks12:39
Davieyjbicha: https://help.ubuntu.com/community still old theme? :)12:39
jbichathe pages are index.html, legal.html, contributors.html, search.html & an index.html for each of the releases12:41
dpmjbicha, I mean the front page of h.u.c, afaik, it is not translatable12:42
dpmand e.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/index.html12:43
jbichaDaviey: that's RT ticket 19635, or set your theme to "light" at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/?action=userprefs&sub=prefs12:43
jbichadpm: if you give me an index.html.ca it will work :) (MultiViews is turned on sitewide)12:44
dpmjbicha, yeah, but it will not scale to all of our languages :). What I mean is that we should put it up for translations in Launchpad12:45
dpmso that translators can do their work the way they're used to12:45
dpmand the docs team can collect them easily12:45
dpmI mean collect translations, not translators ;)12:46
jo-erlenddoes anyone know if the fix to the codec install issue on 64bit has been released yet? That is; when you want to play a media file that there's no codec for, the "codec installer" (I don't remember what it's called) tries to install codecs which can't be installed because of dependency issues.12:46
jbichaok, we can use the ubuntu-docs package for that, we have to figure out how to build html files with the translatable strings12:47
dpmassuming they're static HTML files, we can use the script I created for the Ubuntu online tour at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ya-bo-ng/ubuntu-online-tour/ubuntu-online-tour/files/head:/translate-html/12:49
Davieyjbicha: super!12:49
popeyjo-erlend: Daviey may know..12:49
popeyDaviey: bug 899001 - is that SRU0?12:49
ubot2Launchpad bug 899001 in sessioninstaller "gst-install wants to install i386-version of codec packages on amd64" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89900112:49
jo-erlendI _Really_ hope that'll be added before release. To me, that's a very critical issue as it gives a very bad first impression.12:50
popeyits unlikely to trigger a respin of the iso12:51
jo-erlendthe iso is done?12:51
jo-erlenddamn...12:51
popeyi dont know, you'd have to speak to the release team12:51
popey#ubuntu-release12:51
popeyhence me asking Daviey ☺12:52
jo-erlendI never really know what the difference between released and committed is on LP.12:53
jo-erlenddoes release mean the package has been uploaded to the archives?12:54
jo-erlendor simply that it's been reviewed and accepted?12:54
sagacireleased means people get it through the apt-get updates12:54
cjohnstoncommitted means that the code has been added to the branch, released means its available for public consumption12:54
Davieypopey: err12:56
jbichajo-erlend: the easy way is to just install ubuntu-restricted-extras12:57
popeythe super easy way is tick the box during install :D12:58
jo-erlendjbicha, yes, but then we're talking about requiring assistance.12:58
popeyno12:58
jo-erlendpopey, that only works for mp3.12:58
Davieyi think it's been missed.12:58
Davieyit's not Fix Committed to the archive just 'upstream'12:58
jcastromhall119: https://launchpad.net/askubuntu-lens is now yours to give to mark tully14:13
jcastro(I couldn't find his nick in lp)14:13
mhall119jcastro: thanks14:14
mhall119he's Teester14:14
jcastroah, didn't come up in a name search, oh well14:14
jcastrohey since the old lens was put in USC already, what does this mean for the new version?14:15
jcastrodoes it get like, re reviewed?14:15
mhall119yeah, mark just didn't want to upload a new version when it wasn't his project14:15
mhall119not it is, so now he can14:15
jcastrostefano was glad someone nagged it14:16
jcastroI need that lens to live14:16
mhall119I'll talk to mark about uploading it for Precise when I see him online14:18
dakerdholbach, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150754667855141&set=o.274633539242449&type=1&theater14:21
dpmmhall119, jcastro, nice to see you guys are on it re: the askubuntu-lens, it would be good to be able to reenable the USC banner for Precise once there is a precise version available14:22
dholbachdaker: I'm not quite sure I understand :)14:23
dakerdholbach, this what we saw at the night if you remember but i was closed14:23
dakerit*14:23
dholbachah, yes of course14:24
dakerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Tower14:24
dholbachdaker: first I thought it was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koutoubia_Mosque and thought I had missed part of the history where a part of the building had collapsed :)14:25
dakerdholbach, no the view from the inside http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ4ZgSP_umA14:27
dakerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mausoleum_of_Mohammed_V14:28
dholbachyes, now I can see it too :)14:29
popeymhall119: is your blog running on a Commodore 64 in your basement?14:37
balloonslol popey.. mhall119 has a ec2 micro14:40
balloonsstop reload spamming his pages and it works fine :-)14:40
balloonsdat burst cpu!14:40
jcastrodholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Credits/Developers14:41
jcastroI fixed that up a bit to make the names fit14:41
jcastroI hope that format is ok with you14:41
jcastroI was going for "THE HUGE WALL OF AWESOME" effect.14:41
dholbachsure sure14:42
dholbachgreat14:42
dholbachdid you see the stats in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2012-April/000954.html?14:42
dholbachthe numbers of Kate and me differ slightly, but that's (I guess) some syncs from Debian uploads were attributed to the Debian folks although they never touched Ubuntu14:43
dholbachstill they're interesting :)14:43
jcastrowe should do what firefox did a while back14:43
jcastrowhere they made that ad with contributor names14:43
jcastroit was awesome14:43
popeymhall119: should I just be able to "bzr branch lp:hello-unity && cd hello-unity && ./hello-unity" ?14:46
popeyif so, where do I file bug :D14:46
* popey finds a README14:47
mhall119popey: you'll need to copy some files14:48
popeydone, works fine14:48
mhall119:)14:48
popeyneat14:48
mhall119popey: have fun14:49
mhall119and if you do need to file a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hello-unity14:50
jcastrowe hanging out today fellas?14:54
dpmyeah, let's14:56
* balloons gets 'that 70's show' theme stuck in head14:56
* balloons chants, "hanging out, down the street, same old things we did last week..."14:57
jcastrohey dpm14:59
jcastrohttp://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/2985/way-nicer-software-installation-than-we-have-now-should-we-do-this#comment4117_298514:59
jcastrowe're going to start using this button14:59
jcastrobecause it is awesome14:59
dpmjcastro, nice!15:00
dholbachso did anyone start a hangout?15:01
* dpm is glad his quick and dirty buttons start getting used in more places15:01
dholbachif not, I can do it15:01
dpmok!15:01
balloonsi want a spanish themed one!15:02
balloonsgo go go dpm15:02
balloonsheck, make it catalan!15:02
dpmyes, that was going to be my next comment :)15:02
jcastrodholbach: make one and we'll join!15:03
dholbachdone15:03
dholbachmhall119, dpm: I'm trying to think of a way to make the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-upstream-myapps title and description a bit clearer - especially with at least 2 other sessions coming up - how about "MyApps submission experience and expectations for upstreams" and in the description something like: "Review the current process and identify which parts of the documentation need to be improved. Also fi16:11
dholbachgure out what specifically we expect from upstreams and which help the ARB can provide."?16:11
dholbachalso I guess it'd make sense to have this session towards the end of the week - when the other bits are figured out16:12
mhall119dholbach: that's pretty long for the title, can we shorten that some?16:12
mhall119well,  I guess it not any longer than the current one..16:12
dholbachdaniel@daydream:~$ echo "MyApps submission experience and expectations for upstreams" | wc -c16:12
dholbach6016:12
dholbachdaniel@daydream:~$ echo "MyApps submission process for Upstream App Developers" | wc -c16:12
dholbach5416:12
dholbachdaniel@daydream:~$16:12
dholbach:-)16:13
mhall119damn geeks16:13
dpmlol16:13
dholbach"MyApps submission experience/expectations for upstreams" makes it 56 ;-)16:13
dholbachor make it "ARB submission experience/expectations for upstreams" ;-)16:13
dpm"MA"16:13
dpmmakes it two and it's MyApps shortened16:14
dpmtotally descriptive16:14
dholbachyeah, totally16:14
dpm:-)16:14
mhall119:P16:14
mhall119dholbach: changes made16:15
dpm"MyApps submission process review and assessment"?16:15
* dholbach hugs mhall11916:15
dpmjcastro, argh, sorry, I've commented on the askubuntu buttons question without having seen that you had already16:25
jcastrono worries16:25
jcastronoise on meta is fine16:25
jcastromarcoceppi: hey when you're not OMGing I think we should steal their widget for AU questions to put on developer.u.com16:25
jcastromarcoceppi: dpm would like to get a nice question widget on developer.u.c16:26
jcastrolike, top questions in the tag and all that fancy stuff16:26
marcoceppijcastro: Yeah, I was just working on that now that we have another web-head in place16:26
jcastromaybe we can just steal the one OMG used16:26
marcoceppiprobably16:26
marcoceppiactually16:26
marcoceppithat's a great idea16:26
jcastro:)16:27
jcastromarcoceppi: push it somewhere too, so other teams can use it too16:27
jcastrolike, there's no reason we can't have community questions on the community page, etc.16:27
marcoceppijcastro: aye16:28
jcastrothen at UDS we'll hunt down someone from the web team and make then maintain it going forward, hah16:29
marcoceppi\m/16:29
marcoceppiOMG has been such a time suck16:29
marcoceppiso glad its so close to being done16:29
greg-gs/has been/is/ # there, fixed that for you16:30
dholbachalright my friends - I call it a day17:08
dholbachsee you tomorrow!17:08
pleia2night dholbach :)17:10
dholbachbye :)17:10
technovikingjcastro: soooo, are we fixed:)17:25
jcastrohe's finding out now17:26
* jcastro has been waiting with baited breath17:26
dakermhall119, should i inform the travel agent too ?17:39
bkerensadpm: Your Online Tour Deploy instructions are wonk ;p17:40
dpmbkerensa, oh, what's the problem?17:40
bkerensadpm: ./translate-html -t  ?17:40
bkerensadoes nothing17:40
bkerensadpm: ahh I see its actually two depths of that path... there are two translate_html directories in this branch17:42
bkerensabut the command still won't do anything17:42
dpmbkerensa, are you in the translate-html/bin/ as per the instructions?17:42
dpmif so, what does 'translate-html --help' output?17:43
dpmerr ./translate-html --help17:43
bkerensabkerensa@bkerensa:~/Projects/Source/Development/12.04/translate-html/bin$ ./translate_html -t17:44
bkerensabash: ./translate_html: No such file or directory17:44
bkerensa>.<17:44
dpmyou're using an underscore instead of a dash17:44
bkerensaahh17:44
bkerensa>.<17:44
dpmlet me know if it now works17:45
bkerensadpm: yeah once I get the depends17:45
dpmyeah, good point, I've just realized that17:46
bkerensaoh no it changes my bash language to arabic17:46
dpmjust installing polib should do, right?17:46
bkerensa>.<17:46
bkerensadoing ./translate-html -t with the python-polib depend changed me to Arabic or some Middle Eastern transliterated font17:47
bkerensa>.o17:47
dpmhm, the script just does string replacements, I'm not sure how it can change the locale?17:48
bkerensadpm: it seemed to have just been a temporary thing17:51
bkerensaonce I left the path in terminal it stopped trying to replace my w's and other letters with transliterated stuff17:51
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mhall119daker: did the travel agent book your flight already?17:53
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mhall119if so, yes you should definitely let them know so they can cancel it17:54
dakermhall119, yes before my visa appointment, i got my e-ticket17:54
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mhall119then yeah, they might be able to get it refunded to Canonical17:54
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bkerensadpm: http://ubuntu-oregon.org/tour/18:02
bkerensashould be good to go18:02
bkerensaalthough its taking a long time too boot :P18:02
SergioMenesesbkerensa, :O18:03
bkerensamaybe its having a kernel panic :D18:03
dpmbkerensa, yeah, it seems it got stuck in a loop18:03
bkerensa:P18:03
bkerensadpm: well its the exact source pulled from the branch :D18:04
SergioMenesesbkerensa, is it work?18:04
bkerensaoh wait18:04
bkerensaI figured it out18:04
* bkerensa makes some changes to paths18:04
dpmbkerensa, it works here: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/12.04/en/ - have you tried using an SSD? :P18:05
bkerensadpm: yeah ahttp://ubuntu-oregon.org/tour/en18:05
bkerensaworks too but why does it have to be en?18:05
bkerensathen if people go to /tour they are going to see nothing18:05
SergioMenesesbkerensa, ok! it is working now!18:06
SergioMeneseslooks great!18:06
* bkerensa is just going to make a redirect from tour to en18:07
dpmbkerensa, you can hack the html to change the need to be in en/18:07
bkerensaahh18:07
bkerensaok18:07
dpmok, calling it a day here, looking forward to release day!18:14
bkerensa:D18:20
jcastrohttp://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/ss4sv/ubuntu_openweek_24_may_on_freenode/18:26
jcastrocan I get some upboats?18:26
czajkowskidone18:30
czajkowskihmm I've physio on friday morning @8am this wasn't my best planning with release party the night before18:35
bkerensajcastro: http://ubuntu-oregon.org/tour/en/#surf-the-web18:37
bkerensa:D18:37
czajkowskiimbrandon: have you seen http://opensource.com/government/12/4/kansas-city-explores-civic-life-and-innovation18:54
imbrandonczajkowski: not specificly but I am a part of alot of local groups including some that are doing similar things due to US being the Pilot City for Google Fiber to the House that rolls out this month ( already working and many speed tests already available publicly ;P )18:58
czajkowskiimbrandon: great18:59
imbrandonbut yea that Project has brought many many like this to the area18:59
jcastrohah18:59
imbrandonits great18:59
jcastroI love how no one on facebook reads the article18:59
jcastroit's like "openweek next week!"18:59
jcastro"I hate unity."18:59
imbrandonLOL18:59
czajkowskiright signing off for the evening, having dinner and a hot toddy and sleep and hope I wake up minus my cold tomorrow19:00
czajkowskitoodles19:00
imbrandonczajkowski: thanks for the link tho, i will chack this one out a bit more, looks intresting19:00
imbrandon:)19:00
* jussi waves19:02
jussijust got home from a day at the pool, was Elodi's first day and well, she loves water!19:03
imbrandonjussi: sweet19:05
jussiAmazing, she will be swimming in no time. cant even crawl, but almost swims :P19:06
mhall119jcastro: you need joey's willy wonka image19:41
jcastrohttp://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org:8000/uupc.mp319:41
jcastroI will be live on this!19:41
jcastro(listen in vlc or rhythmbox though, seems buggy in the browser)19:41
balloonsI hears you!19:44
s-foxHello everyone19:48
AlanBellbkerensa: http://ubuntu-oregon.org/tour/en/ appears to be completely broken21:53
bkerensaAlanBell: loads flawlessly for me21:54
bkerensa:)21:54
AlanBellwhat is it supposed to do?21:54
bkerensaAlanBell: Its a tour of Ubuntu online?21:54
bkerensa:D21:54
AlanBellhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/tour.png just looks like that, can't click anything21:56
AlanBellchromium and firefox21:56
AlanBelljavascript errors21:57
bkerensaAlanBell: Weird... You the first one who has had that issue so far :) and we have had a good 100 or so people use it :D22:06
bkerensaAlanBell: http://i.imgur.com/sab7r.png thats what it looks like22:06
AlanBellmaybe they all use windows or something :)22:06
bkerensaAlanBell: Do you know what the errors are? The Canonical guy who made it needs to put a bit more work in because I had to do quite a few hacks just to get it to work :D22:07
AlanBellhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/tour.png firebug pic22:08
bkerensaimbrandon: ^ cf goof22:09
JanCstupid sites that pull in JS from all over the net...  ;)22:10
AlanBellJanC: does it work for you?22:10
JanCseems to work22:11
JanCFirefox on 12.0422:11
AlanBellthat is what I am using too22:11
* bkerensa purges caches on all the geo servers and creates page rules22:11
bkerensa:D22:11
bkerensaAlanBell maybe its the edge server in the UK22:12
* bkerensa just purged so it will take a few minutes to rebuild and globally propagate the content22:12
bkerensaHmm yeah working fine still for me on Chrome/Chromium (Beta Channels) Firefox Stable on 12.04 and Aurora22:13
AlanBellthis makes no sense22:14
JanCwell, it doesn't work very well (i can't escape from the dash?)22:14
popeybkerensa: broken for me too22:15
popeybkerensa: what version of the tour are you using?22:15
popeyi see no launcher22:15
JanChm, now the launcher is gone for me too22:16
JanCit was there minutes ago22:16
JanCand the indicators don't work22:17
JanCseems like it's broken indeed22:17
popeyhttp://ubuntuone.com/6zJpdhrGaxLUTkfhfVw2gE  vs   http://ubuntuone.com/5z4KnEI3iDXPWzpJhWgu4R22:18
pleia2I get the same thing as AlanBell (chrome on 10.04)22:19
imbrandonbkerensa: yea i dont use them for any of their js, turn off all apps22:19
AlanBellis it only broken for people called Alan I wonder22:19
imbrandonlet them do the rever that they are good at and thats it22:19
AlanBelloh pleia2 isn't called Alan, that is OK22:19
pleia2:)22:19
mhall119bkerensa: I get js errors too22:27

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