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balloonshey hye13:12
balloonseveryone ready?14:01
balloons#startmeeting ubuntu qa community14:02
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balloonscan i get a roll call on this fine spring (or fall) day?14:02
astraljavao/14:04
* astraljava is on a very bad connection14:04
balloonsahh14:05
astraljavaballoons: Is it okay if I just present our issues now, and then get on my way?14:06
balloonsastraljava, yes, no problem14:06
balloons:-)14:06
astraljavaThanks!14:06
astraljavaStudio is fine, images -> final.14:06
astraljavaXubuntu is fine except Wubi, which is a problem. I noticed that jibel has tested it on Alpha-2.14:07
astraljavaBut otherwise we might not have support for it.14:07
astraljavaSo we have to discuss about it later tonight.14:08
astraljavaThat's about it.14:08
astraljava..14:08
balloonsastraljava, yes someone was asking about getting xubuntu wubi testing..14:08
balloonsbut they asked so late yesterday14:08
astraljavaIt was me. :)14:08
balloonslol -- I see to remember a different username14:08
balloonscool14:09
astraljavaballoons: Can you ask jibel if he has time for it? Otherwise I'm afraid we cannot guarantee it's quality.14:09
astraljavaBut that's it. Any questions?14:10
balloonsastraljava, I can try and get a wubi tester on it.. i don't think we'll find an issue with it tho tbh14:10
balloonswubi has been suprisingly good since the couple fixes last week14:10
astraljavaOkay, so I'll refer to that when skaet asks.14:11
balloonsyes, you should :-) but we'll shoot for a result anyway14:11
astraljavaIt'd be good.14:11
balloonswell, since we're sticking with short and sweet, jibel just announced we had a record-breaking iso testing period14:11
astraljavaHeheh. :) Cool.14:11
balloonsas of now, we stand at 108 contributors, and 1187 results!14:12
astraljavaw0w!14:12
astraljavaRight, I'm off. Thanks Nick! Talk to you later tonight.14:12
balloonskk :-) cheers mate14:12
balloonsanyone else about?14:14
kanliotsorry i was late14:14
kanlioti can report that there's nothing causing a problem in lubuntu14:14
balloonsthinking thru the flavors quickly.. kubuntu is looking good, edubuntu also looking good, ubuntu studio is good.. xubuntu needs wubi testing14:15
balloonsand kanliot reports lubuntu is good :-)14:15
balloonsawesome!14:15
ScottKballoons: Still need i386 wubi on Kubuntu.14:15
Riddellactually kubuntu has a problem in the dist upgrade notificaiton14:15
balloonsScottK, I got that for you this morning..14:15
RiddellI'll need testers for the fix there14:15
Riddellwhen it's ready14:15
balloonsRiddell, can you link?14:15
ScottKballoons: He's got to write the code first.14:15
Riddellhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-April/006024.html14:16
balloonsWell, I mean the i386 is going on right now as we speak.. let's see14:16
ScottKExcellent.14:17
ScottKWe could also use help with amd64+mac images.14:17
ScottKThe guy that was testing them over the weekend seems to have vanished.14:17
balloonsOn kubuntu?14:17
ScottKYes14:17
balloonslet me check the list14:17
ScottKhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/214/builds/15941/testcases14:17
ScottKhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/214/builds/16004/testcases14:18
balloonshmm..14:20
balloonswho was testing them ScottK ?14:20
ScottKshadeslayer.14:21
ScottKHe seems to have got lost in the wilds of India the last few days though.14:21
balloonslol14:21
balloonswell, I'll try a 2 for 1 deal.. are th eamd+64 isos going to be rebuilt when you make the dist-upgrade fix?14:22
balloonsbasically, I can put folks on alert to test as soon as the change drops.. I don't want to make them test twice if we know a respin is coming :-)14:23
kanliotballoons is that dist-upgrade notification issue .... what is the bug #  (should i test for lubuntu?)14:23
balloonskanliot, sounds like it's just for kde.. Looks like a muon bug14:24
kanliotty14:24
balloonsnp14:25
balloonsok, so in summary, release is looking good for tomorrow. Xubuntu would like wubi testing, kubuntu waiting on wubi results, and would like amd64+mac help..14:25
balloonsAnyone else? Any status updates or questions/concerns?14:25
Riddellballoons: kubuntu will need oneiric testing14:27
Riddellfor upgrade notifications14:27
balloonsok, Riddell I'll stay in #ubuntu-release.. do let me know when the changes are live14:29
balloonsI think that's all then folks.. Crunch time! Let's have a good release. And don't forget to celebrate!14:30
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highvoltagehi, anyone around for an Edubuntu meeting?19:02
* stgraber waves19:02
highvoltagestgraber: the testing for the new amd64 image is under way19:03
highvoltagestgraber: I should be able to post the results with the test cases you mentioned in 30-40 minutes19:03
mgariepyi'm here;)19:03
* jussi is vaguely observing19:04
stgrabercool, I just started running an Edubuntu amd64 test here too19:04
stgraberso we should have enough coverage for me to sign off that build and be back to ready-to-release19:04
stgraberI did some shuffling around of services on my server for the release and I'm mirroring edubuntu + kubuntu, I'll also be seeding the Edubuntu images from another box to ensure we don't get into the same bandwidth issues as last year19:05
stgraberand weblive is currently busy rebuilding, hoping to have it all working nicely at some point tonight19:05
highvoltageI'll seed a little from home and work too, I guess having another few mbps of seeding would help for the first few hours19:06
highvoltageI'd like to start discussing ideas for 12.10 as well as soon as 12.04 is out. I'll post some things I've been thinking about to the mailing list19:06
highvoltage(perhaps that will motivate others to do so too :) )19:07
highvoltagestgraber: hmm, I seem hit by the bug where when I choose eth0 in ltsp-live, it jumps back to eth119:08
stgraberhighvoltage: make sure not to seed for more than 40GB from home or we'll hit the monthly quota...19:08
highvoltagestgraber: oh right, I guess I won't do that then :)19:09
stgraberrunning a Chinese Edubuntu OEM install with LTSP, should have the results in 30 min19:10
highvoltagemy french session is completely messed up... I'll retry on physical hardware...19:10
stgraberhighvoltage: ok :)19:11
stgraberhighvoltage: the chinese live session looks good here19:11
stgrabertesting LTSP live quickly19:11
stgrabercan't reproduce your drop-down bug19:11
highvoltagewell, I guess we'll just continue testing for now, anything else for edubuntu meeting or shall we go back to #edubuntu?19:13
highvoltageok then, adjourned! :)19:13
MrChrisDruifgilir; meeting?20:00
giliryes yes :)20:01
gilir#startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting20:01
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gilirhi :)20:02
kanliotsup20:02
Yorvyko/20:02
gilirAgenda is still at the same place : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda20:02
MrChrisDruif\o20:03
gilirand this week, special focus on the last stuff to do before the release20:03
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cariboo907join #U+120:03
gilirno action from the last meeting20:04
gilirlet's move to the first topic20:04
gilir#topic kanliot - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team20:05
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kanliothi20:05
kanliotwe still should be testing20:05
kanliotalso balloons asked for more testers for amd64 mac20:05
kanliotand also wubi testers20:05
kanliotend of report20:05
kanliotto clarify: we still shoudl be testing means they are still releaseing ISOs20:06
gilirthanks kanliot, if the tests are specific to lubuntu or more generic ?20:06
kanlioti donno20:06
MrChrisDruifI think balloons requested for Ubuntu amd64 and wubi20:07
MrChrisDruifBut wubi wasn't well tested for Lubuntu as well20:07
kanliotthanks chrisw20:08
gilirMrChrisDruif, as far as I know, it was tested at least once20:08
MrChrisDruifgilir; true, Lance did20:08
gilirwell, it's better than nothing :)20:08
MrChrisDruifIndeed20:08
gilirok, philiw also told me ISOs was good to go20:09
gilirunless we discover a big problem in the last tests, it should be ok now20:10
gilirkanliot, let me know if there is an emerengy tonight20:10
kanliotnot going to disagree with you but they are still producing more ISOs20:10
kanliotk will do20:11
gilirok, thanks kanliot, moving to next topic20:11
gilir#topic kanliot - Weekly report - Update from Comms team20:12
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kanliotnothing to report20:12
kanliotwe resolved some code of curious origin that ended up on the website20:12
kanliotthat was all on the mailing list20:12
kanliotend of report20:12
gilirok thanks kanliot20:13
gilir#topic gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams20:13
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gilirstill preparing the work items for 12.1020:14
gilirit should be more active next week, after the release :)20:14
MrChrisDruifIt does?>20:15
gilirany questions ?20:15
gilirMrChrisDruif, I don't like to prepare stuff for the next release, when the previous one is still not out :)20:16
MrChrisDruifTrue20:16
MrChrisDruif...for devs ;-)20:16
gilir:)20:16
gilirno more question, so moving to the next topic20:17
gilir#topic MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team20:17
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MrChrisDruifWiki should be ready for release. Only need to comment out the 12.04 specific stuff to "release"20:18
gilirgreat ! :)20:18
gilirare people from the wiki will be available tomorrow to update the links ?20:19
kanliotwhat time will that be?20:19
MrChrisDruifI'm "available" till about noon20:20
gilirkanliot, it depends on the availability of the ISOs20:20
kanliotk20:21
MrChrisDruifAnd remember "everyone" can edit the wiki pages, it is almost only uncommenting lines20:21
MrChrisDruifNot release specific: I also want to add a big warning block above the header on [WIKI] for beginner to let them know more prominently that that is the team area and redirect them to [HELP]20:21
MrChrisDruifAny objections?20:21
MrChrisDruifAccording to the comms team it's not clear how to come to help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/HelpDocumentation so that is the reasoning behind it20:22
YorvykDon't understand why this is needed20:22
gilirMrChrisDruif, is the link to Documentation & Help is not enough ?20:22
MrChrisDruifAccording to the people who know how beginners think, it's not20:23
MrChrisDruifIt's all readable in the wiki-docs mailing archive20:23
MrChrisDruifkanliot; you want to add to this?20:23
kanliotno need to20:24
kanliotgood20:24
MrChrisDruifNothing else to report.20:24
gilirMrChrisDruif, could you send me the list of pages to update at release time ?20:25
MrChrisDruif#action MrChrisDruif Send gilir list with pages to update for release20:25
meetingologyACTION: MrChrisDruif Send gilir list with pages to update for release20:25
gilirI'll try to be available tomorrow to do the annoucement and to edit of the pages20:26
MrChrisDruifSure ^_^20:26
gilirthanks :)20:26
balloonshey guys :-)20:26
gilirbut don't wait next week to do it ;)20:26
MrChrisDruifNo? ^_^20:26
kanliot:)20:26
MrChrisDruifI'll have a spot to send it Sunday, alright with you gilir ?20:27
MrChrisDruif;-)20:27
gilirdon't play with my actual zen attitude ;)20:27
gilirany questions for the documentation ?20:28
gilirok thanks MrChrisDruif :)20:29
MrChrisDruifWell the usual about known bugs and which should be on the release notes? Are there workarounds that should be on FAQ?20:29
gilirit's next topic ;)20:29
MrChrisDruifI know20:29
gilir#topic Yorvyk - Decide which problems (if any) should be in Known Issues section of Release Notes20:29
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gilirI already added the bug about gnome-mplayer and lxkeymap20:30
gilirYorvyk, do you have other bugs in mind ?20:31
YorvykWhere are the release notes?  I can't find them now20:31
gilir#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu20:31
giliranyone have comments about them ?20:32
YorvykIsn't the 64 bit aptitude problem resolved20:33
MrChrisDruifAh, I started editing them...then my connection timed-out again. I'll do it again later tonight20:33
gilirYorvyk, I think the common release notes section is not updated yet20:34
tumbleweedYorvyk: AFAIK it's better, but my no means perfect20:34
YorvykOK20:34
YorvykThat was the only one that I'd seen any change on20:34
YorvykEverything else looks OK20:35
gilirMrChrisDruif, what do you want to add ?20:37
MrChrisDruifJust rewording some stuff, nothing to add20:37
gilirok20:37
gilirif nobody have comments, we can remove the "TBA" items and keep it like this20:38
gilirexcept for corrections of style / typo / bad english ... :)20:38
gilir#topic Any Other Business20:39
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giliranything to add ?20:40
YorvykLets hope everything goes smoothly tomorrow :)20:41
gilirok, thanks, let's get some sleep before tomorrow :)20:41
gilirYorvyk, yes :)20:41
gilir#endmeeting20:41
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MrChrisDruifThanks gilir ^_^20:42
YorvykAre we continuing these meetings or having time of over UDS20:42
gilirYorvyk, I'll prefer to stop them untill UDS20:43
gilirYorvyk, maybe you can ask on the mailing list ?20:43
YorvykOK20:43
gilirthanks :)20:44
YorvykOK bye all!20:44
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s-fox9 minutes until the forum council meeting22:47
s-foxping coffeecat cariboo907 Iowan oldos2er22:57
Iowano/22:58
coffeecato/22:58
oldos2eryo22:58
s-foxjacob moergaes22:58
moergaesyo-yo22:58
s-fox:)22:58
jacoboi22:58
cariboo907I'm here, had to go refill my coffee cup22:58
s-foxi am giving bodhi a few minutes, if he doesn't show in the next few minutes i am going to start the meeting without him22:59
IowanI think I have login messed up again, but this jaunty machine is due upgrade anyway...23:00
jacobjaunty? is that not EOL?23:01
s-foxAnd bodhi_zazen makes 6 FC members :)23:01
bodhi_zazenmeeting start yet ?23:01
Iowanthat's why it's due upgrade23:01
s-foxNo, i was giving you a minute23:01
s-foxlol23:01
s-foxcariboo907 are you back from coffee?23:01
cariboo907yup23:01
s-foxOkay, show time23:02
s-fox#startmeeting23:02
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bodhi_zazenOK, anyone want to drive ?23:02
IowanI23:02
s-fox[TOPIC] FC meeting23:02
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bodhi_zazen[link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda23:02
bodhi_zazenI would like to make a few opening comments if I may ,promise they will be short =)23:03
s-foxOkay bodhi_zazen, go23:03
bodhi_zazenFirst, thank you all for coming23:03
bodhi_zazenwe are trying to get input from across the community23:03
bodhi_zazenduring the month, please use FH&F , #ubuntuforums, etc to discuss issues with staff / FC23:04
bodhi_zazenthese meeting are (hopefully) for decisions, with minimal discussion, discussion should have already taken place23:04
bodhi_zazen /end23:05
s-foxWell said and very good point made.23:05
s-foxOkay, first item on the agenda...23:05
s-fox[TOPIC] Archiving forums23:06
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* bodhi_zazen hides23:06
bodhi_zazenI think we forgot to discuss this topic23:06
s-foxI know ;)23:06
jacobare this and the second topic the same?23:06
bodhi_zazenWe should make a proposal to the community, set some guidelines23:06
bodhi_zazenno jacob23:06
s-foxBut the idea to archive out of date information is solid.23:06
s-foxI agree on getting input from the wider community, just like we did for the tutorials23:07
bodhi_zazenI suggest we make a concerted effort to discuss the topic over the next month23:07
s-foxThat sounds reasonable to me.23:07
s-fox[VOTE] Make concerted effort to discuss archiving out of date information with wider community23:08
meetingologyPlease vote on: Make concerted effort to discuss archiving out of date information with wider community23:08
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bodhi_zazen+123:08
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meetingology+1 received from s-fox23:08
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s-fox[ENDVOTE]23:08
meetingologyVoting ended on: Make concerted effort to discuss archiving out of date information with wider community23:08
meetingologyVotes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:023:08
meetingologyMotion carried23:08
s-foxBad jacob23:09
s-fox;)23:09
jacob:D23:09
s-foxOkay, next item23:09
s-fox[TOPIC] Close tutorial and tips and move to wiki23:09
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bodhi_zazenIMO closing T& T has gone fantastic23:09
s-foxThis appears to have started and the ball is rolling23:10
bodhi_zazenI think there have been some (appropriate) concerns23:10
bodhi_zazenbut ...23:10
bodhi_zazenwe have connected people from forums to wiki and have interest from askubuntu23:10
s-foxWhat are the main concerns ?23:10
bodhi_zazenpixie has done outstanding work23:10
bodhi_zazenpeople do not like change ;)23:10
s-foxforestpiskie has been amazing23:10
bodhi_zazenwe need to encourage these efforts, and more important23:11
bodhi_zazenengage the community to use and contribute to the wiki23:11
jacobI think the only real concern was the migration of tutorials, which seems to be going along smoothly23:11
s-foxI seem to recall some sort of script helping with the markup23:11
bodhi_zazenThere was the concern if we closed the T&T, no one would contribute to wiki, and we would loose a valuable community asset23:11
bodhi_zazenbut, honestly, group effort on documentation is easier and it did not take long for the advantages to become obvious23:12
bodhi_zazenI encourage all staff to encourage wiki as much as possible23:12
jacobI think the problem was the wiki was not very well advertised on the forums. if a link for T&T is made to the forums somehow, i think it'll be less of an issue.23:12
s-foxBy the looks of things it has evolved, and T&T section has been used for supporting specific wiki pages23:12
jacobs/forums/wiki/23:12
bodhi_zazenIf people complain the page is out of date -> help encourage the community to maintain23:12
bodhi_zazen+1 Jac23:12
bodhi_zazenthat is the plan s-fox , wiki is for documentation , T&T is to discuss documentation23:13
cariboo907there is an editor for editing wiki pages in the repositories called editmoin23:13
bodhi_zazenshould we add foo or bar to rootsudo ?23:13
s-foxOkay, I am not really sure anything to vote on here. But well done to all and lets continue to ease the transtition23:13
bodhi_zazendiscussion -> change23:13
bodhi_zazenno vote needed, just an update23:14
bodhi_zazenand ask staff to promote the effort23:14
s-fox[ACTION] Staff to promote wiki effort23:14
meetingologyACTION: Staff to promote wiki effort23:14
s-fox:)23:14
bodhi_zazenIf we get 10 people to edit 1 wiki page / month -> wiki will improve23:14
bodhi_zazenNeeds to be a sustained effort, not a burn out fast effort23:15
s-foxYes agreed23:15
s-foxLets move on23:15
s-fox[TOPIC] Add new staff23:15
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Add new staff
bodhi_zazenOK, I'll say it23:15
bodhi_zazenI think we should add 2-4 staff23:15
bodhi_zazenI would like to try some sort of volunteer -> short list -> vote23:16
s-foxI think we are coping, but we could do we a few more staffers. With a focus on asia / oz timezones23:16
bodhi_zazencoping, yes, but too closed, IMO23:16
cariboo907even western north america, as at times I'm the only there23:16
s-foxAnyone got any comments ?23:16
bodhi_zazenwe need to engage the community, not just "cope"23:17
IowanHow much is need, versus rewarding active participants?23:17
oldos2erbodhi_zazen: can you explain "too closed"?23:17
cariboo907I really don't like the idea of volunteers23:17
bodhi_zazenThe staff is viewed as too closed, a select group selected by favoritism or cronyism23:18
oldos2erbodhi_zazen: thank you23:18
bodhi_zazenpeople come and go, staff fall inactive, we need to train the next group23:18
jacobi'm not sure about volunteers either, but it might be worth a try. an experiment.23:18
coffeecatVolunteering was discussed in SCC. There were several objections.23:18
bodhi_zazenPost criteria -> ask UFM to volunteer or nominate other UFM -> review candiates -> UFM vote23:18
bodhi_zazenI think the major objection was that volunteers would not be reviewed23:19
s-foxOMG - The entire forum council is here23:19
jacobwas the criteria of requiring an active ubuntu membership to be one of them?23:19
s-foxHey overdrank23:19
cariboo907I could see UFM's nominate members for staff positions23:19
s-foxoh wait, no ai23:19
overdrankHello all23:19
bodhi_zazennomination works for me23:20
bodhi_zazenWe need to "test the waters"23:20
cariboo907+1 to that23:20
bodhi_zazenIf we want to continue with the current staff selection, that is fine23:20
s-foxOkay, well we are only looking to add a couple new staff so it is a  good test to iron out the process23:20
bodhi_zazenWe need to be able to say , we tried .... and had ... problem ;)23:20
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bodhi_zazenOr , perhaps it will be better23:21
jacobit's worth a shot if nothing else23:21
s-fox[VOTE] Get UFM to nominate other UFM for staff poitions23:21
meetingologyPlease vote on: Get UFM to nominate other UFM for staff poitions23:21
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)23:21
s-foxpositions23:21
cariboo907+123:21
meetingology+1 received from cariboo90723:21
bodhi_zazenand perhaps encourage UFM -> join u+1 or wiki team23:21
s-fox positions23:21
bodhi_zazen+123:21
meetingology+1 received from bodhi_zazen23:21
s-fox+123:21
meetingology+1 received from s-fox23:21
Iowan+123:21
overdrank+123:21
meetingology+1 received from Iowan23:21
meetingology+1 received from overdrank23:21
s-fox+123:21
meetingology+1 received from s-fox23:21
s-foxGah23:21
coffeecatCLarification please.23:21
bodhi_zazenI am suggesting we need to encourage the Ubuntu forums community to participate and contribute beyond the forums23:22
s-foxSilly tablet scroll issue  >.<23:22
bodhi_zazenForums is the entry, identify the good, the bad, and the ugly -> get them involved =)23:22
bodhi_zazengo coffeecat23:22
coffeecatI haven't voted yet. "UFM to nominate OTHER UFM"??23:23
bodhi_zazenUbuntu Forums Members23:23
cariboo907Ubuntu forum members UFM23:23
s-foxcoffeecat for staff positions23:23
coffeecatNo - I know what UFM are . OTHER??23:23
bodhi_zazenhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Forums/Membership23:23
cariboo907UFM nominate from the list of UFMs23:24
Iowanforum members nominate other forum members23:24
s-foxfor staff positions23:24
coffeecatYes - OTHER - not themselves?23:24
s-foxfor staff positions23:24
bodhi_zazenhttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-forum-members23:24
s-foxno, not themselves23:24
coffeecats-fox, thanks23:24
bodhi_zazennon ufm == ubuntu community23:24
bodhi_zazenubuntu forums community23:24
s-foxcoffeecat what is your vote ?23:25
coffeecatThat's not what I was asking. s.fox has clarified.23:25
Iowan(abstain is allowed)23:25
coffeecat+123:25
meetingology+1 received from coffeecat23:25
s-fox[ENDVOTE]23:25
meetingologyVoting ended on: Get UFM to nominate other UFM for staff poitions23:25
meetingologyVotes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:023:25
meetingologyMotion carried23:25
bodhi_zazenobstain = 023:25
bodhi_zazen+1/0/-123:25
s-foxOkay, next item....23:25
s-fox[TOPIC] Forums upgrade23:26
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Forums upgrade
s-foxI have an update on this23:26
Iowanyea!23:26
jacob:)23:26
cariboo907SSO is supposed to be fixed today23:26
jacobgood to hear!23:26
s-foxcastro informs me that the drives have been sourced but the SSO (which was fixed) is now broken again23:27
s-foxHe was going to get back to me with an eta on the fix23:27
s-foxI know this is bad news, but it is still an update.23:27
s-fox[ACTION] Poke jcastro for news on the ETA on fix23:27
meetingologyACTION: Poke jcastro for news on the ETA on fix23:27
s-fox:)23:27
s-foxAny comments before moving on?23:28
s-foxI guess now23:29
s-foxnot23:29
s-foxNext topic23:29
s-fox[TOPIC] Community building23:29
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Community building
bodhi_zazencommunity building is going very well, but will never going to be on autopilot23:29
bodhi_zazenAs staff, you are leaders23:30
bodhi_zazenI encourage you to get involved, there are tons of projects23:30
bodhi_zazenyou do not have to to them, just know they are there23:30
bodhi_zazenExample - xubuntu could have used some help this release ...23:30
bodhi_zazenU+123:30
bodhi_zazenwiki efforts23:30
bodhi_zazenjoin #ubuntuforums and #ubuntu-community-team23:30
bodhi_zazenIf you like forums, that is fine23:31
bodhi_zazenbe active in FH&F23:31
cariboo907I don't know if this comes under community building, but kansasnoob has been diagnosed with dementia23:31
bodhi_zazenbe [s]active[/s] friendly in café and community games23:31
bodhi_zazenIf you are too busy to get active, fine, the would fall under need more staff ;)23:32
* jacob shuffles about23:32
bodhi_zazenJust be aware , we are reaching critical mass where we really can integrate with, and contribute to the Ubuntu community23:32
s-foxStarting  this month I am going to be writing a monthly news update kind of thing for the wider community to view on planet ubuntu23:32
jacobbut agreed, and I know I sound hypocritical, but being active on staff is what helps keep a community going23:33
bodhi_zazenhttp://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/23:33
bodhi_zazenYou do not need a google account to view the fridge calander23:34
s-foxbodhi_zazen ?23:34
s-foxOh I see, never mind23:34
bodhi_zazenfridge calendar = major community discussions / meetings23:34
* s-fox nods23:34
bodhi_zazenOtherwise, see my update to the staff in scc23:35
bodhi_zazenStaff only : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=195312423:35
s-foxOh, incase you missed it I added links to the forum irc channel in the quicklinks bar in the site menu23:35
bodhi_zazenI know, IRC is new, even frightening at first, but, after a while you will be in 10 channels23:36
overdranklol23:36
bodhi_zazenhttp://wordofgreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/I-love-when-a-plan-comes-together.gif23:36
Iowan(I struggle with 2)23:37
jacoband idle in 9 ;)23:37
cariboo907I can manage 5 :)23:37
bodhi_zazenDon't worry, everyone is like that23:37
bodhi_zazenif you need help ask23:37
s-foxReally? :)23:37
bodhi_zazenIf you irc via issri in screen 24/7 - seek a therapist23:37
oldos2erlol23:37
bodhi_zazenirssi , lol23:37
Iowan(via IRS?)23:38
s-foxNo23:38
jacobbodhi_zazen: hah. i don't need a therapist, i use weechat.23:38
s-fox:)23:38
Iowan(IRC)23:38
s-foxI would like to move on....23:38
oldos2erbodhi_zazen: i resemble that remark  :)23:38
* bodhi_zazen pleads the 5th23:38
s-fox[TOPIC] Team  Reports23:38
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Team Reports
s-foxHello ubottu23:39
s-foxuRock23:39
* bodhi_zazen hides 10 fedora channels, gentoo, and linux-libre channels, not to mention #ubuntu-montana and a few -team, oh and lxc ...23:39
uRockhello s-fox23:39
bodhi_zazenTeam reports are greatly appreciated by the community, and the look nice23:39
bodhi_zazenOnly thing is, make sure they get on the community monthly report23:39
IowanWhat did I mess up last month? ;)23:39
s-foxWell done to everyone for getting them back on track23:39
s-foxFew minor issues with the ones that had been done23:40
bodhi_zazenhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/April201223:40
s-fox1 - Missing items that were discussed in the meetings23:40
bodhi_zazenWe should be on the community team report automatically23:40
bodhi_zazenWe are right under the Community Council23:41
s-fox2 - Naming convention is very important, other pages link to CURRENT MONTH23:41
s-fox^ bodhi_zazen23:41
=== Seeker` is now known as Seeker
Iowan:( Thought I verified that it was there...23:41
=== Seeker is now known as Seeker`
bodhi_zazenIt's OK Iowan , this is why I am trying to get FC members up to speed =)23:41
bodhi_zazenNeeds to be there by end of month23:42
Iowanmy tranny keeps slipping...23:42
s-foxIowan Don't be sad, something had to be said or nothing is learned =)23:42
bodhi_zazenI never can recall the syntax, so, add comments to the templates on what to do23:42
bodhi_zazenComments start with two ##23:43
bodhi_zazenWho is willing to try the monthly report this month ?23:43
bodhi_zazenHeck, two of you could learn together23:43
s-foxbodhi_zazen i am going to do division of labour at the end23:43
* cariboo907 will23:43
bodhi_zazenOK, sorry s-fox23:43
s-foxnp23:44
bodhi_zazennext topic ?23:44
s-foxyep23:44
bodhi_zazenLeave the agenda in place, agenda items = bullet points for team report23:44
s-fox[TOPIC] Firefox / Ubiquity forum links23:44
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Firefox / Ubiquity forum links
s-foxI have an update on ubiquity side of things23:45
bodhi_zazenThis one is short, if you want them fixed, file a bug report on LP with code23:45
bodhi_zazenwe missed 12.04, but if we submit decent code it will be considered for 12.1023:45
bodhi_zazenthen accept the decision of the community who reviews the request23:45
bodhi_zazenNo more WWIII23:45
bodhi_zazen=)23:45
s-foxFrom what I gather the slide was rewritten and askubuntu was removed. That wasn't what we were after.  I have written a html slide and sent code to bodsda. i need to poke him again23:46
bodhi_zazen\o/23:46
bodhi_zazenYou have about 3 months s-fox23:46
s-foxphilinux was pushing the firefox bookmarks, and has posted a revised bookmark file23:47
s-foxI recall he was having issues getting the maintainers to look at the revised file, which is a bit sad.23:47
bodhi_zazenAye, but after the 12.04 deadline, otherwise bookmarks looked good23:47
uRockHaving UF in the bookmarks would be great23:48
bodhi_zazenProbably need to submit for 12.1023:48
bodhi_zazenwe were late, and to be honest, they have better things to do with the impending release of 12.0423:48
bodhi_zazentarget 12.10 release23:48
s-foxOkay, that is me done on updates.  Perhaps we should ask philinux for an update23:48
bodhi_zazenPM ?23:48
s-foxYep :)23:49
bodhi_zazenAny other comments ?23:49
cariboo907isn't he still off  fishing in Scotland?23:49
s-foxOh yes, that is right23:49
s-fox[ACTION] PM philinux for firefox update23:50
meetingologyACTION: PM philinux for firefox update23:50
s-fox[TOPIC] Staff selection process23:50
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Staff selection process
bodhi_zazenWe discussed staff selection, entire staff feels candidates need to be reviewed, and when we have a short list of UFM -> UFM vote , honestly current staff is the largest single voting block, so it is not the compete loss of control we might fear23:51
s-foxI think we covered this earlier with adding new staff23:51
bodhi_zazenI have no further comment23:51
s-foxNext topic?23:51
bodhi_zazenIt has been extensively discussed b4 now23:51
bodhi_zazenaction on this one s-fox23:51
bodhi_zazenvote ?23:51
s-foxWe already voted on it23:51
bodhi_zazenOK with me , any objections ?23:52
s-fox[TOPIC] Forums team23:52
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Forums team
bodhi_zazenThis one is not my topic (surprise)23:52
s-foxlol23:52
bodhi_zazenAnyone want to summarize this ?23:52
bodhi_zazenI think we should kill off the teams and use #ubuntuforums23:53
jacobI think we should nuke the entire collection of forums teams, honestly. Even if it means re-making some that are desired to keep.23:53
bodhi_zazenIf enough people want to start some project, have them make a proposal23:53
jacobaye23:53
jacobother than that, my thoughts are in the thread23:53
Iowanprobably the cleanest way23:53
s-foxSpring cleaning on old teams23:53
jacobi don't believe any of the six have seen any activity23:54
s-foxAnyone got anything to add before the vote?23:54
jacobalso the forums attached to some of those23:54
bodhi_zazenOnly one is "active", and I use the term loosly23:54
Iowanwhich one BT?23:54
jacobT&T has a T&TT forum that is dead23:54
bodhi_zazenyea23:54
s-foxThe BT bodhi_zazend ?23:54
jacobhttp://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=348 & subforum it seems23:54
bodhi_zazenzmg, it's alive23:54
s-foxOkay, vote time23:55
bodhi_zazenI asked duanedesign to lead the BT23:55
s-fox[VOTE] Remove old unused forum teams23:55
meetingologyPlease vote on: Remove old unused forum teams23:55
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)23:55
bodhi_zazenIt is sort of detached from forums at the moment23:55
bodhi_zazen+123:55
meetingology+1 received from bodhi_zazen23:55
s-fox+123:55
meetingology+1 received from s-fox23:55
overdrank+123:55
meetingology+1 received from overdrank23:55
coffeecat+123:55
meetingology+1 received from coffeecat23:55
cariboo907+123:55
meetingology+1 received from cariboo90723:55
Iowan+1 (all teams?)23:55
meetingology+1 (all teams?) received from Iowan23:55
s-foxlol23:56
jacobhah.23:56
s-foxjust the unused ones Iowan23:56
bodhi_zazensame thing s-fox23:56
s-foxhah23:56
overdrankdoh23:56
s-fox[ENDVOTE]23:56
meetingologyVoting ended on: Remove old unused forum teams23:56
meetingologyVotes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:023:56
meetingologyMotion carried23:56
bodhi_zazen\o/23:56
IowanDo we need to post a "warning" that they are going?23:57
s-foxI think it would be polite to email the team leader if we close the subforums23:57
overdrank\~/23:57
jacobIowan: i doubt anyone would notice without one for quite some time. :P23:57
bodhi_zazenNo one reads the [s]warnings[/s] stickies Iowan23:57
uRock\m/23:57
s-foxDirect email bodhi_zazen23:57
jacobs-fox: there's only one subforum that I can see23:58
overdrankMy apologies but I have to excuse myself23:58
bodhi_zazenI'm sorry , that email has been disconnected ...23:58
jacobwell scraatch that23:58
s-foxSee you overdrank23:58
bodhi_zazenthanks overd23:58
s-foxthanks for coming23:58
s-foxbodhi_zazen we should at least try23:59
bodhi_zazennext topic, coming up on the 60 minute mark23:59
s-foxbounce or not23:59
bodhi_zazenOK s-fox23:59
s-fox[TOPIC] Fix a meeting time23:59
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Fix a meeting time
s-foxI think the only issue with this time is AI :/23:59
bodhi_zazenThis time seems to work, 3rd Wed of the month ?23:59

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