[13:12] <balloons> hey hye
[14:01] <balloons> everyone ready?
[14:02] <balloons> #startmeeting ubuntu qa community
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[14:02] <balloons> can i get a roll call on this fine spring (or fall) day?
[14:04] <astraljava> o/
[14:04]  * astraljava is on a very bad connection
[14:05] <balloons> ahh
[14:06] <astraljava> balloons: Is it okay if I just present our issues now, and then get on my way?
[14:06] <balloons> astraljava, yes, no problem
[14:06] <balloons> :-)
[14:06] <astraljava> Thanks!
[14:06] <astraljava> Studio is fine, images -> final.
[14:07] <astraljava> Xubuntu is fine except Wubi, which is a problem. I noticed that jibel has tested it on Alpha-2.
[14:07] <astraljava> But otherwise we might not have support for it.
[14:08] <astraljava> So we have to discuss about it later tonight.
[14:08] <astraljava> That's about it.
[14:08] <astraljava> ..
[14:08] <balloons> astraljava, yes someone was asking about getting xubuntu wubi testing..
[14:08] <balloons> but they asked so late yesterday
[14:08] <astraljava> It was me. :)
[14:08] <balloons> lol -- I see to remember a different username
[14:09] <balloons> cool
[14:09] <astraljava> balloons: Can you ask jibel if he has time for it? Otherwise I'm afraid we cannot guarantee it's quality.
[14:10] <astraljava> But that's it. Any questions?
[14:10] <balloons> astraljava, I can try and get a wubi tester on it.. i don't think we'll find an issue with it tho tbh
[14:10] <balloons> wubi has been suprisingly good since the couple fixes last week
[14:11] <astraljava> Okay, so I'll refer to that when skaet asks.
[14:11] <balloons> yes, you should :-) but we'll shoot for a result anyway
[14:11] <astraljava> It'd be good.
[14:11] <balloons> well, since we're sticking with short and sweet, jibel just announced we had a record-breaking iso testing period
[14:11] <astraljava> Heheh. :) Cool.
[14:12] <balloons> as of now, we stand at 108 contributors, and 1187 results!
[14:12] <astraljava> w0w!
[14:12] <astraljava> Right, I'm off. Thanks Nick! Talk to you later tonight.
[14:12] <balloons> kk :-) cheers mate
[14:14] <balloons> anyone else about?
[14:14] <kanliot> sorry i was late
[14:14] <kanliot> i can report that there's nothing causing a problem in lubuntu
[14:15] <balloons> thinking thru the flavors quickly.. kubuntu is looking good, edubuntu also looking good, ubuntu studio is good.. xubuntu needs wubi testing
[14:15] <balloons> and kanliot reports lubuntu is good :-)
[14:15] <balloons> awesome!
[14:15] <ScottK> balloons: Still need i386 wubi on Kubuntu.
[14:15] <Riddell> actually kubuntu has a problem in the dist upgrade notificaiton
[14:15] <balloons> ScottK, I got that for you this morning..
[14:15] <Riddell> I'll need testers for the fix there
[14:15] <Riddell> when it's ready
[14:15] <balloons> Riddell, can you link?
[14:15] <ScottK> balloons: He's got to write the code first.
[14:16] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-April/006024.html
[14:16] <balloons> Well, I mean the i386 is going on right now as we speak.. let's see
[14:17] <ScottK> Excellent.
[14:17] <ScottK> We could also use help with amd64+mac images.
[14:17] <ScottK> The guy that was testing them over the weekend seems to have vanished.
[14:17] <balloons> On kubuntu?
[14:17] <ScottK> Yes
[14:17] <balloons> let me check the list
[14:17] <ScottK> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/214/builds/15941/testcases
[14:18] <ScottK> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/214/builds/16004/testcases
[14:20] <balloons> hmm..
[14:20] <balloons> who was testing them ScottK ?
[14:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer.
[14:21] <ScottK> He seems to have got lost in the wilds of India the last few days though.
[14:21] <balloons> lol
[14:22] <balloons> well, I'll try a 2 for 1 deal.. are th eamd+64 isos going to be rebuilt when you make the dist-upgrade fix?
[14:23] <balloons> basically, I can put folks on alert to test as soon as the change drops.. I don't want to make them test twice if we know a respin is coming :-)
[14:23] <kanliot> balloons is that dist-upgrade notification issue .... what is the bug #  (should i test for lubuntu?)
[14:24] <balloons> kanliot, sounds like it's just for kde.. Looks like a muon bug
[14:24] <kanliot> ty
[14:25] <balloons> np
[14:25] <balloons> ok, so in summary, release is looking good for tomorrow. Xubuntu would like wubi testing, kubuntu waiting on wubi results, and would like amd64+mac help..
[14:25] <balloons> Anyone else? Any status updates or questions/concerns?
[14:27] <Riddell> balloons: kubuntu will need oneiric testing
[14:27] <Riddell> for upgrade notifications
[14:29] <balloons> ok, Riddell I'll stay in #ubuntu-release.. do let me know when the changes are live
[14:30] <balloons> I think that's all then folks.. Crunch time! Let's have a good release. And don't forget to celebrate!
[14:30] <balloons> #endmeeting
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Apr 25 14:30:25 2012 UTC.
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[19:02] <highvoltage> hi, anyone around for an Edubuntu meeting?
[19:02]  * stgraber waves
[19:03] <highvoltage> stgraber: the testing for the new amd64 image is under way
[19:03] <highvoltage> stgraber: I should be able to post the results with the test cases you mentioned in 30-40 minutes
[19:03] <mgariepy> i'm here;)
[19:04]  * jussi is vaguely observing
[19:04] <stgraber> cool, I just started running an Edubuntu amd64 test here too
[19:04] <stgraber> so we should have enough coverage for me to sign off that build and be back to ready-to-release
[19:05] <stgraber> I did some shuffling around of services on my server for the release and I'm mirroring edubuntu + kubuntu, I'll also be seeding the Edubuntu images from another box to ensure we don't get into the same bandwidth issues as last year
[19:05] <stgraber> and weblive is currently busy rebuilding, hoping to have it all working nicely at some point tonight
[19:06] <highvoltage> I'll seed a little from home and work too, I guess having another few mbps of seeding would help for the first few hours
[19:06] <highvoltage> I'd like to start discussing ideas for 12.10 as well as soon as 12.04 is out. I'll post some things I've been thinking about to the mailing list
[19:07] <highvoltage> (perhaps that will motivate others to do so too :) )
[19:08] <highvoltage> stgraber: hmm, I seem hit by the bug where when I choose eth0 in ltsp-live, it jumps back to eth1
[19:08] <stgraber> highvoltage: make sure not to seed for more than 40GB from home or we'll hit the monthly quota...
[19:09] <highvoltage> stgraber: oh right, I guess I won't do that then :)
[19:10] <stgraber> running a Chinese Edubuntu OEM install with LTSP, should have the results in 30 min
[19:10] <highvoltage> my french session is completely messed up... I'll retry on physical hardware...
[19:11] <stgraber> highvoltage: ok :)
[19:11] <stgraber> highvoltage: the chinese live session looks good here
[19:11] <stgraber> testing LTSP live quickly
[19:11] <stgraber> can't reproduce your drop-down bug
[19:13] <highvoltage> well, I guess we'll just continue testing for now, anything else for edubuntu meeting or shall we go back to #edubuntu?
[19:13] <highvoltage> ok then, adjourned! :)
[20:00] <MrChrisDruif> gilir; meeting?
[20:01] <gilir> yes yes :)
[20:01] <gilir> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting
[20:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Apr 25 20:01:52 2012 UTC.  The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:02] <gilir> hi :)
[20:02] <kanliot> sup
[20:02] <Yorvyk> o/
[20:02] <gilir> Agenda is still at the same place : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[20:03] <MrChrisDruif> \o
[20:03] <gilir> and this week, special focus on the last stuff to do before the release
[20:03] <cariboo907> join #U+1
[20:04] <gilir> no action from the last meeting
[20:04] <gilir> let's move to the first topic
[20:05] <gilir> #topic kanliot - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team
[20:05] <kanliot> hi
[20:05] <kanliot> we still should be testing
[20:05] <kanliot> also balloons asked for more testers for amd64 mac
[20:05] <kanliot> and also wubi testers
[20:05] <kanliot> end of report
[20:06] <kanliot> to clarify: we still shoudl be testing means they are still releaseing ISOs
[20:06] <gilir> thanks kanliot, if the tests are specific to lubuntu or more generic ?
[20:06] <kanliot> i donno
[20:07] <MrChrisDruif> I think balloons requested for Ubuntu amd64 and wubi
[20:07] <MrChrisDruif> But wubi wasn't well tested for Lubuntu as well
[20:08] <kanliot> thanks chrisw
[20:08] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, as far as I know, it was tested at least once
[20:08] <MrChrisDruif> gilir; true, Lance did
[20:08] <gilir> well, it's better than nothing :)
[20:08] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed
[20:09] <gilir> ok, philiw also told me ISOs was good to go
[20:10] <gilir> unless we discover a big problem in the last tests, it should be ok now
[20:10] <gilir> kanliot, let me know if there is an emerengy tonight
[20:10] <kanliot> not going to disagree with you but they are still producing more ISOs
[20:11] <kanliot> k will do
[20:11] <gilir> ok, thanks kanliot, moving to next topic
[20:12] <gilir> #topic kanliot - Weekly report - Update from Comms team
[20:12] <kanliot> nothing to report
[20:12] <kanliot> we resolved some code of curious origin that ended up on the website
[20:12] <kanliot> that was all on the mailing list
[20:12] <kanliot> end of report
[20:13] <gilir> ok thanks kanliot
[20:13] <gilir> #topic gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams
[20:14] <gilir> still preparing the work items for 12.10
[20:14] <gilir> it should be more active next week, after the release :)
[20:15] <MrChrisDruif> It does?>
[20:15] <gilir> any questions ?
[20:16] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, I don't like to prepare stuff for the next release, when the previous one is still not out :)
[20:16] <MrChrisDruif> True
[20:16] <MrChrisDruif> ...for devs ;-)
[20:16] <gilir> :)
[20:17] <gilir> no more question, so moving to the next topic
[20:17] <gilir> #topic MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team
[20:18] <MrChrisDruif> Wiki should be ready for release. Only need to comment out the 12.04 specific stuff to "release"
[20:18] <gilir> great ! :)
[20:19] <gilir> are people from the wiki will be available tomorrow to update the links ?
[20:19] <kanliot> what time will that be?
[20:20] <MrChrisDruif> I'm "available" till about noon
[20:20] <gilir> kanliot, it depends on the availability of the ISOs
[20:21] <kanliot> k
[20:21] <MrChrisDruif> And remember "everyone" can edit the wiki pages, it is almost only uncommenting lines
[20:21] <MrChrisDruif> Not release specific: I also want to add a big warning block above the header on [WIKI] for beginner to let them know more prominently that that is the team area and redirect them to [HELP]
[20:21] <MrChrisDruif> Any objections?
[20:22] <MrChrisDruif> According to the comms team it's not clear how to come to help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/HelpDocumentation so that is the reasoning behind it
[20:22] <Yorvyk> Don't understand why this is needed
[20:22] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, is the link to Documentation & Help is not enough ?
[20:23] <MrChrisDruif> According to the people who know how beginners think, it's not
[20:23] <MrChrisDruif> It's all readable in the wiki-docs mailing archive
[20:23] <MrChrisDruif> kanliot; you want to add to this?
[20:24] <kanliot> no need to
[20:24] <kanliot> good
[20:24] <MrChrisDruif> Nothing else to report.
[20:25] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, could you send me the list of pages to update at release time ?
[20:25] <MrChrisDruif> #action MrChrisDruif Send gilir list with pages to update for release
[20:25] <meetingology> ACTION: MrChrisDruif Send gilir list with pages to update for release
[20:26] <gilir> I'll try to be available tomorrow to do the annoucement and to edit of the pages
[20:26] <MrChrisDruif> Sure ^_^
[20:26] <gilir> thanks :)
[20:26] <balloons> hey guys :-)
[20:26] <gilir> but don't wait next week to do it ;)
[20:26] <MrChrisDruif> No? ^_^
[20:26] <kanliot> :)
[20:27] <MrChrisDruif> I'll have a spot to send it Sunday, alright with you gilir ?
[20:27] <MrChrisDruif> ;-)
[20:27] <gilir> don't play with my actual zen attitude ;)
[20:28] <gilir> any questions for the documentation ?
[20:29] <gilir> ok thanks MrChrisDruif :)
[20:29] <MrChrisDruif> Well the usual about known bugs and which should be on the release notes? Are there workarounds that should be on FAQ?
[20:29] <gilir> it's next topic ;)
[20:29] <MrChrisDruif> I know
[20:29] <gilir> #topic Yorvyk - Decide which problems (if any) should be in Known Issues section of Release Notes
[20:30] <gilir> I already added the bug about gnome-mplayer and lxkeymap
[20:31] <gilir> Yorvyk, do you have other bugs in mind ?
[20:31] <Yorvyk> Where are the release notes?  I can't find them now
[20:31] <gilir> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu
[20:32] <gilir> anyone have comments about them ?
[20:33] <Yorvyk> Isn't the 64 bit aptitude problem resolved
[20:33] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, I started editing them...then my connection timed-out again. I'll do it again later tonight
[20:34] <gilir> Yorvyk, I think the common release notes section is not updated yet
[20:34] <tumbleweed> Yorvyk: AFAIK it's better, but my no means perfect
[20:34] <Yorvyk> OK
[20:34] <Yorvyk> That was the only one that I'd seen any change on
[20:35] <Yorvyk> Everything else looks OK
[20:37] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, what do you want to add ?
[20:37] <MrChrisDruif> Just rewording some stuff, nothing to add
[20:37] <gilir> ok
[20:38] <gilir> if nobody have comments, we can remove the "TBA" items and keep it like this
[20:38] <gilir> except for corrections of style / typo / bad english ... :)
[20:39] <gilir> #topic Any Other Business
[20:40] <gilir> anything to add ?
[20:41] <Yorvyk> Lets hope everything goes smoothly tomorrow :)
[20:41] <gilir> ok, thanks, let's get some sleep before tomorrow :)
[20:41] <gilir> Yorvyk, yes :)
[20:41] <gilir> #endmeeting
[20:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Apr 25 20:41:47 2012 UTC.
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[20:42] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks gilir ^_^
[20:42] <Yorvyk> Are we continuing these meetings or having time of over UDS
[20:43] <gilir> Yorvyk, I'll prefer to stop them untill UDS
[20:43] <gilir> Yorvyk, maybe you can ask on the mailing list ?
[20:43] <Yorvyk> OK
[20:44] <gilir> thanks :)
[20:44] <Yorvyk> OK bye all!
[22:47] <s-fox> 9 minutes until the forum council meeting
[22:57] <s-fox> ping coffeecat cariboo907 Iowan oldos2er
[22:58] <Iowan> o/
[22:58] <coffeecat> o/
[22:58] <oldos2er> yo
[22:58] <s-fox> jacob moergaes
[22:58] <moergaes> yo-yo
[22:58] <s-fox> :)
[22:58] <jacob> oi
[22:58] <cariboo907> I'm here, had to go refill my coffee cup
[22:59] <s-fox> i am giving bodhi a few minutes, if he doesn't show in the next few minutes i am going to start the meeting without him
[23:00] <Iowan> I think I have login messed up again, but this jaunty machine is due upgrade anyway...
[23:01] <jacob> jaunty? is that not EOL?
[23:01] <s-fox> And bodhi_zazen makes 6 FC members :)
[23:01] <bodhi_zazen> meeting start yet ?
[23:01] <Iowan> that's why it's due upgrade
[23:01] <s-fox> No, i was giving you a minute
[23:01] <s-fox> lol
[23:01] <s-fox> cariboo907 are you back from coffee?
[23:01] <cariboo907> yup
[23:02] <s-fox> Okay, show time
[23:02] <s-fox> #startmeeting
[23:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Apr 25 23:02:08 2012 UTC.  The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[23:02] <bodhi_zazen> OK, anyone want to drive ?
[23:02] <Iowan> I
[23:02] <s-fox> [TOPIC] FC meeting
[23:02] <bodhi_zazen> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[23:03] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to make a few opening comments if I may ,promise they will be short =)
[23:03] <s-fox> Okay bodhi_zazen, go
[23:03] <bodhi_zazen> First, thank you all for coming
[23:03] <bodhi_zazen> we are trying to get input from across the community
[23:04] <bodhi_zazen> during the month, please use FH&F , #ubuntuforums, etc to discuss issues with staff / FC
[23:04] <bodhi_zazen> these meeting are (hopefully) for decisions, with minimal discussion, discussion should have already taken place
[23:05] <bodhi_zazen>  /end
[23:05] <s-fox> Well said and very good point made.
[23:05] <s-fox> Okay, first item on the agenda...
[23:06] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Archiving forums
[23:06]  * bodhi_zazen hides
[23:06] <bodhi_zazen> I think we forgot to discuss this topic
[23:06] <s-fox> I know ;)
[23:06] <jacob> are this and the second topic the same?
[23:06] <bodhi_zazen> We should make a proposal to the community, set some guidelines
[23:06] <bodhi_zazen> no jacob
[23:06] <s-fox> But the idea to archive out of date information is solid.
[23:07] <s-fox> I agree on getting input from the wider community, just like we did for the tutorials
[23:07] <bodhi_zazen> I suggest we make a concerted effort to discuss the topic over the next month
[23:07] <s-fox> That sounds reasonable to me.
[23:08] <s-fox> [VOTE] Make concerted effort to discuss archiving out of date information with wider community
[23:08] <meetingology> Please vote on: Make concerted effort to discuss archiving out of date information with wider community
[23:08] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[23:08] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[23:08] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[23:08] <cariboo907> +1
[23:08] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[23:08] <s-fox> +1
[23:08] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[23:08] <coffeecat> +1
[23:08] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[23:08] <Iowan> +1
[23:08] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[23:08] <jacob> +1
[23:08] <meetingology> +1 received from jacob
[23:08] <s-fox> [ENDVOTE]
[23:08] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Make concerted effort to discuss archiving out of date information with wider community
[23:08] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[23:08] <meetingology> Motion carried
[23:09] <s-fox> Bad jacob
[23:09] <s-fox> ;)
[23:09] <jacob> :D
[23:09] <s-fox> Okay, next item
[23:09] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Close tutorial and tips and move to wiki
[23:09] <bodhi_zazen> IMO closing T& T has gone fantastic
[23:10] <s-fox> This appears to have started and the ball is rolling
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> I think there have been some (appropriate) concerns
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> but ...
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> we have connected people from forums to wiki and have interest from askubuntu
[23:10] <s-fox> What are the main concerns ?
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> pixie has done outstanding work
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> people do not like change ;)
[23:10] <s-fox> forestpiskie has been amazing
[23:11] <bodhi_zazen> we need to encourage these efforts, and more important
[23:11] <bodhi_zazen> engage the community to use and contribute to the wiki
[23:11] <jacob> I think the only real concern was the migration of tutorials, which seems to be going along smoothly
[23:11] <s-fox> I seem to recall some sort of script helping with the markup
[23:11] <bodhi_zazen> There was the concern if we closed the T&T, no one would contribute to wiki, and we would loose a valuable community asset
[23:12] <bodhi_zazen> but, honestly, group effort on documentation is easier and it did not take long for the advantages to become obvious
[23:12] <bodhi_zazen> I encourage all staff to encourage wiki as much as possible
[23:12] <jacob> I think the problem was the wiki was not very well advertised on the forums. if a link for T&T is made to the forums somehow, i think it'll be less of an issue.
[23:12] <s-fox> By the looks of things it has evolved, and T&T section has been used for supporting specific wiki pages
[23:12] <jacob> s/forums/wiki/
[23:12] <bodhi_zazen> If people complain the page is out of date -> help encourage the community to maintain
[23:12] <bodhi_zazen> +1 Jac
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> that is the plan s-fox , wiki is for documentation , T&T is to discuss documentation
[23:13] <cariboo907> there is an editor for editing wiki pages in the repositories called editmoin
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> should we add foo or bar to rootsudo ?
[23:13] <s-fox> Okay, I am not really sure anything to vote on here. But well done to all and lets continue to ease the transtition
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> discussion -> change
[23:14] <bodhi_zazen> no vote needed, just an update
[23:14] <bodhi_zazen> and ask staff to promote the effort
[23:14] <s-fox> [ACTION] Staff to promote wiki effort
[23:14] <meetingology> ACTION: Staff to promote wiki effort
[23:14] <s-fox> :)
[23:14] <bodhi_zazen> If we get 10 people to edit 1 wiki page / month -> wiki will improve
[23:15] <bodhi_zazen> Needs to be a sustained effort, not a burn out fast effort
[23:15] <s-fox> Yes agreed
[23:15] <s-fox> Lets move on
[23:15] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Add new staff
[23:15] <bodhi_zazen> OK, I'll say it
[23:15] <bodhi_zazen> I think we should add 2-4 staff
[23:16] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to try some sort of volunteer -> short list -> vote
[23:16] <s-fox> I think we are coping, but we could do we a few more staffers. With a focus on asia / oz timezones
[23:16] <bodhi_zazen> coping, yes, but too closed, IMO
[23:16] <cariboo907> even western north america, as at times I'm the only there
[23:16] <s-fox> Anyone got any comments ?
[23:17] <bodhi_zazen> we need to engage the community, not just "cope"
[23:17] <Iowan> How much is need, versus rewarding active participants?
[23:17] <oldos2er> bodhi_zazen: can you explain "too closed"?
[23:17] <cariboo907> I really don't like the idea of volunteers
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> The staff is viewed as too closed, a select group selected by favoritism or cronyism
[23:18] <oldos2er> bodhi_zazen: thank you
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> people come and go, staff fall inactive, we need to train the next group
[23:18] <jacob> i'm not sure about volunteers either, but it might be worth a try. an experiment.
[23:18] <coffeecat> Volunteering was discussed in SCC. There were several objections.
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> Post criteria -> ask UFM to volunteer or nominate other UFM -> review candiates -> UFM vote
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> I think the major objection was that volunteers would not be reviewed
[23:19] <s-fox> OMG - The entire forum council is here
[23:19] <jacob> was the criteria of requiring an active ubuntu membership to be one of them?
[23:19] <s-fox> Hey overdrank
[23:19] <cariboo907> I could see UFM's nominate members for staff positions
[23:19] <s-fox> oh wait, no ai
[23:19] <overdrank> Hello all
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> nomination works for me
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> We need to "test the waters"
[23:20] <cariboo907> +1 to that
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> If we want to continue with the current staff selection, that is fine
[23:20] <s-fox> Okay, well we are only looking to add a couple new staff so it is a  good test to iron out the process
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> We need to be able to say , we tried .... and had ... problem ;)
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> Or , perhaps it will be better
[23:21] <jacob> it's worth a shot if nothing else
[23:21] <s-fox> [VOTE] Get UFM to nominate other UFM for staff poitions
[23:21] <meetingology> Please vote on: Get UFM to nominate other UFM for staff poitions
[23:21] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[23:21] <s-fox> positions
[23:21] <cariboo907> +1
[23:21] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> and perhaps encourage UFM -> join u+1 or wiki team
[23:21] <s-fox>  positions
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[23:21] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[23:21] <s-fox> +1
[23:21] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[23:21] <Iowan> +1
[23:21] <overdrank> +1
[23:21] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[23:21] <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank
[23:21] <s-fox> +1
[23:21] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[23:21] <s-fox> Gah
[23:21] <coffeecat> CLarification please.
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> I am suggesting we need to encourage the Ubuntu forums community to participate and contribute beyond the forums
[23:22] <s-fox> Silly tablet scroll issue  >.<
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> Forums is the entry, identify the good, the bad, and the ugly -> get them involved =)
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> go coffeecat
[23:23] <coffeecat> I haven't voted yet. "UFM to nominate OTHER UFM"??
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Forums Members
[23:23] <cariboo907> Ubuntu forum members UFM
[23:23] <s-fox> coffeecat for staff positions
[23:23] <coffeecat> No - I know what UFM are . OTHER??
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Forums/Membership
[23:24] <cariboo907> UFM nominate from the list of UFMs
[23:24] <Iowan> forum members nominate other forum members
[23:24] <s-fox> for staff positions
[23:24] <coffeecat> Yes - OTHER - not themselves?
[23:24] <s-fox> for staff positions
[23:24] <bodhi_zazen> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-forum-members
[23:24] <s-fox> no, not themselves
[23:24] <coffeecat> s-fox, thanks
[23:24] <bodhi_zazen> non ufm == ubuntu community
[23:24] <bodhi_zazen> ubuntu forums community
[23:25] <s-fox> coffeecat what is your vote ?
[23:25] <coffeecat> That's not what I was asking. s.fox has clarified.
[23:25] <Iowan> (abstain is allowed)
[23:25] <coffeecat> +1
[23:25] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[23:25] <s-fox> [ENDVOTE]
[23:25] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Get UFM to nominate other UFM for staff poitions
[23:25] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[23:25] <meetingology> Motion carried
[23:25] <bodhi_zazen> obstain = 0
[23:25] <bodhi_zazen> +1/0/-1
[23:25] <s-fox> Okay, next item....
[23:26] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Forums upgrade
[23:26] <s-fox> I have an update on this
[23:26] <Iowan> yea!
[23:26] <jacob> :)
[23:26] <cariboo907> SSO is supposed to be fixed today
[23:26] <jacob> good to hear!
[23:27] <s-fox> castro informs me that the drives have been sourced but the SSO (which was fixed) is now broken again
[23:27] <s-fox> He was going to get back to me with an eta on the fix
[23:27] <s-fox> I know this is bad news, but it is still an update.
[23:27] <s-fox> [ACTION] Poke jcastro for news on the ETA on fix
[23:27] <meetingology> ACTION: Poke jcastro for news on the ETA on fix
[23:27] <s-fox> :)
[23:28] <s-fox> Any comments before moving on?
[23:29] <s-fox> I guess now
[23:29] <s-fox> not
[23:29] <s-fox> Next topic
[23:29] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Community building
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> community building is going very well, but will never going to be on autopilot
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> As staff, you are leaders
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> I encourage you to get involved, there are tons of projects
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> you do not have to to them, just know they are there
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> Example - xubuntu could have used some help this release ...
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> U+1
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> wiki efforts
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> join #ubuntuforums and #ubuntu-community-team
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> If you like forums, that is fine
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> be active in FH&F
[23:31] <cariboo907> I don't know if this comes under community building, but kansasnoob has been diagnosed with dementia
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> be [s]active[/s] friendly in café and community games
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> If you are too busy to get active, fine, the would fall under need more staff ;)
[23:32]  * jacob shuffles about
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> Just be aware , we are reaching critical mass where we really can integrate with, and contribute to the Ubuntu community
[23:32] <s-fox> Starting  this month I am going to be writing a monthly news update kind of thing for the wider community to view on planet ubuntu
[23:33] <jacob> but agreed, and I know I sound hypocritical, but being active on staff is what helps keep a community going
[23:33] <bodhi_zazen> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> You do not need a google account to view the fridge calander
[23:34] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen ?
[23:34] <s-fox> Oh I see, never mind
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> fridge calendar = major community discussions / meetings
[23:34]  * s-fox nods
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> Otherwise, see my update to the staff in scc
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> Staff only : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1953124
[23:35] <s-fox> Oh, incase you missed it I added links to the forum irc channel in the quicklinks bar in the site menu
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> I know, IRC is new, even frightening at first, but, after a while you will be in 10 channels
[23:36] <overdrank> lol
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> http://wordofgreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/I-love-when-a-plan-comes-together.gif
[23:37] <Iowan> (I struggle with 2)
[23:37] <jacob> and idle in 9 ;)
[23:37] <cariboo907> I can manage 5 :)
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> Don't worry, everyone is like that
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> if you need help ask
[23:37] <s-fox> Really? :)
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> If you irc via issri in screen 24/7 - seek a therapist
[23:37] <oldos2er> lol
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> irssi , lol
[23:38] <Iowan> (via IRS?)
[23:38] <s-fox> No
[23:38] <jacob> bodhi_zazen: hah. i don't need a therapist, i use weechat.
[23:38] <s-fox> :)
[23:38] <Iowan> (IRC)
[23:38] <s-fox> I would like to move on....
[23:38] <oldos2er> bodhi_zazen: i resemble that remark  :)
[23:38]  * bodhi_zazen pleads the 5th
[23:38] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Team  Reports
[23:39] <s-fox> Hello ubottu
[23:39] <s-fox> uRock
[23:39]  * bodhi_zazen hides 10 fedora channels, gentoo, and linux-libre channels, not to mention #ubuntu-montana and a few -team, oh and lxc ...
[23:39] <uRock> hello s-fox
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> Team reports are greatly appreciated by the community, and the look nice
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> Only thing is, make sure they get on the community monthly report
[23:39] <Iowan> What did I mess up last month? ;)
[23:39] <s-fox> Well done to everyone for getting them back on track
[23:40] <s-fox> Few minor issues with the ones that had been done
[23:40] <bodhi_zazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/April2012
[23:40] <s-fox> 1 - Missing items that were discussed in the meetings
[23:40] <bodhi_zazen> We should be on the community team report automatically
[23:41] <bodhi_zazen> We are right under the Community Council
[23:41] <s-fox> 2 - Naming convention is very important, other pages link to CURRENT MONTH
[23:41] <s-fox> ^ bodhi_zazen
[23:41] <Iowan> :( Thought I verified that it was there...
[23:41] <bodhi_zazen> It's OK Iowan , this is why I am trying to get FC members up to speed =)
[23:42] <bodhi_zazen> Needs to be there by end of month
[23:42] <Iowan> my tranny keeps slipping...
[23:42] <s-fox> Iowan Don't be sad, something had to be said or nothing is learned =)
[23:42] <bodhi_zazen> I never can recall the syntax, so, add comments to the templates on what to do
[23:43] <bodhi_zazen> Comments start with two ##
[23:43] <bodhi_zazen> Who is willing to try the monthly report this month ?
[23:43] <bodhi_zazen> Heck, two of you could learn together
[23:43] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen i am going to do division of labour at the end
[23:43]  * cariboo907 will
[23:43] <bodhi_zazen> OK, sorry s-fox
[23:44] <s-fox> np
[23:44] <bodhi_zazen> next topic ?
[23:44] <s-fox> yep
[23:44] <bodhi_zazen> Leave the agenda in place, agenda items = bullet points for team report
[23:44] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Firefox / Ubiquity forum links
[23:45] <s-fox> I have an update on ubiquity side of things
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> This one is short, if you want them fixed, file a bug report on LP with code
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> we missed 12.04, but if we submit decent code it will be considered for 12.10
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> then accept the decision of the community who reviews the request
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> No more WWIII
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> =)
[23:46] <s-fox> From what I gather the slide was rewritten and askubuntu was removed. That wasn't what we were after.  I have written a html slide and sent code to bodsda. i need to poke him again
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> \o/
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> You have about 3 months s-fox
[23:47] <s-fox> philinux was pushing the firefox bookmarks, and has posted a revised bookmark file
[23:47] <s-fox> I recall he was having issues getting the maintainers to look at the revised file, which is a bit sad.
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> Aye, but after the 12.04 deadline, otherwise bookmarks looked good
[23:48] <uRock> Having UF in the bookmarks would be great
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> Probably need to submit for 12.10
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> we were late, and to be honest, they have better things to do with the impending release of 12.04
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> target 12.10 release
[23:48] <s-fox> Okay, that is me done on updates.  Perhaps we should ask philinux for an update
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> PM ?
[23:49] <s-fox> Yep :)
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments ?
[23:49] <cariboo907> isn't he still off  fishing in Scotland?
[23:49] <s-fox> Oh yes, that is right
[23:50] <s-fox> [ACTION] PM philinux for firefox update
[23:50] <meetingology> ACTION: PM philinux for firefox update
[23:50] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Staff selection process
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> We discussed staff selection, entire staff feels candidates need to be reviewed, and when we have a short list of UFM -> UFM vote , honestly current staff is the largest single voting block, so it is not the compete loss of control we might fear
[23:51] <s-fox> I think we covered this earlier with adding new staff
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> I have no further comment
[23:51] <s-fox> Next topic?
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> It has been extensively discussed b4 now
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> action on this one s-fox
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> vote ?
[23:51] <s-fox> We already voted on it
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> OK with me , any objections ?
[23:52] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Forums team
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> This one is not my topic (surprise)
[23:52] <s-fox> lol
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone want to summarize this ?
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> I think we should kill off the teams and use #ubuntuforums
[23:53] <jacob> I think we should nuke the entire collection of forums teams, honestly. Even if it means re-making some that are desired to keep.
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> If enough people want to start some project, have them make a proposal
[23:53] <jacob> aye
[23:53] <jacob> other than that, my thoughts are in the thread
[23:53] <Iowan> probably the cleanest way
[23:53] <s-fox> Spring cleaning on old teams
[23:54] <jacob> i don't believe any of the six have seen any activity
[23:54] <s-fox> Anyone got anything to add before the vote?
[23:54] <jacob> also the forums attached to some of those
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> Only one is "active", and I use the term loosly
[23:54] <Iowan> which one BT?
[23:54] <jacob> T&T has a T&TT forum that is dead
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> yea
[23:54] <s-fox> The BT bodhi_zazend ?
[23:54] <jacob> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=348 & subforum it seems
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> zmg, it's alive
[23:55] <s-fox> Okay, vote time
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> I asked duanedesign to lead the BT
[23:55] <s-fox> [VOTE] Remove old unused forum teams
[23:55] <meetingology> Please vote on: Remove old unused forum teams
[23:55] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> It is sort of detached from forums at the moment
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[23:55] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[23:55] <s-fox> +1
[23:55] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[23:55] <overdrank> +1
[23:55] <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank
[23:55] <coffeecat> +1
[23:55] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[23:55] <cariboo907> +1
[23:55] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[23:55] <Iowan> +1 (all teams?)
[23:55] <meetingology> +1 (all teams?) received from Iowan
[23:56] <s-fox> lol
[23:56] <jacob> hah.
[23:56] <s-fox> just the unused ones Iowan
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> same thing s-fox
[23:56] <s-fox> hah
[23:56] <overdrank> doh
[23:56] <s-fox> [ENDVOTE]
[23:56] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Remove old unused forum teams
[23:56] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[23:56] <meetingology> Motion carried
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> \o/
[23:57] <Iowan> Do we need to post a "warning" that they are going?
[23:57] <s-fox> I think it would be polite to email the team leader if we close the subforums
[23:57] <overdrank> \~/
[23:57] <jacob> Iowan: i doubt anyone would notice without one for quite some time. :P
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> No one reads the [s]warnings[/s] stickies Iowan
[23:57] <uRock> \m/
[23:57] <s-fox> Direct email bodhi_zazen
[23:58] <jacob> s-fox: there's only one subforum that I can see
[23:58] <overdrank> My apologies but I have to excuse myself
[23:58] <bodhi_zazen> I'm sorry , that email has been disconnected ...
[23:58] <jacob> well scraatch that
[23:58] <s-fox> See you overdrank
[23:58] <bodhi_zazen> thanks overd
[23:58] <s-fox> thanks for coming
[23:59] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen we should at least try
[23:59] <bodhi_zazen> next topic, coming up on the 60 minute mark
[23:59] <s-fox> bounce or not
[23:59] <bodhi_zazen> OK s-fox
[23:59] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Fix a meeting time
[23:59] <s-fox> I think the only issue with this time is AI :/
[23:59] <bodhi_zazen> This time seems to work, 3rd Wed of the month ?