[07:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning MooDoo
[07:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> and everyone else.
[07:12] <popey> morning
[07:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> lo popey
[07:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Blimey it's wet here today.
[07:14] <diplo> Morning
[07:17] <daubers> Morning
[07:42] <hoover_> hi folks
[08:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:02] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[08:02] <czajkowski> MooDoo: howdy hows you
[08:03] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i'm not bad thanks :D
[08:22] <popey> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfnudeln&num=1
[08:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> So it really is going to happen then... Steam 4 Linux.
[08:27] <popey> looks like it
[08:27]  * DJones checks the date to see if its April 1st
[08:32] <andylockran> lol :)
[08:32] <diplo> nice find popey
[08:32] <diplo> Thought some one would have to do it eventually, especially seeing the sales on indie bundles etc
[08:39] <JamesTait> Morning all! *8OD
[08:42] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[08:42] <andylockran> mornig bigcalm
[08:42] <andylockran> how goes things?
[08:43] <bigcalm> Rabbit in headlights :)
[08:43] <bigcalm> You?
[08:51] <mungojerry> i just noticed they fixed a global menu issue with dual monitors the other day :D
[08:51] <mungojerry> now the window title doesn't show on the screen without the active window
[08:59] <awilkins> OOh, Steam and Source on Linux #squeee
[09:03] <mungojerry> awilkins, i may be getting ahead of myself, but they could provide their own OS, rather than depend on supporting windows7/8/etc
[09:03] <mungojerry> (and a console)
[09:04] <awilkins> Well, there is that
[09:04] <awilkins> They've been recruiting hardware bods
[09:04] <awilkins> I always thought MS were missing a trick not making XBox-OS for the PC
[09:04] <awilkins> A cut-down version of Windows just for playing games
[09:12] <mungojerry> i have to open up my pc, and switch sata cables just to play a game atm
[09:13] <BigRedS> awilkins: surely that'd be neither XBox nor Windows, though?
[09:13] <BigRedS> and they probably don't like the idea of push Windows as only being good for gaming
[09:13] <awilkins> Well, true
[09:13] <awilkins> People might only use that
[09:14] <awilkins> I stopped using Windows for my primary productivity years ago
[09:14] <BigRedS> yeah, I think that goes for most of us
[09:14] <BigRedS> but I don't think MS want to create an OS that advertises that :)
[09:15] <awilkins> A shame I still need it for email, office documents, etc
[09:15] <awilkins> LibreOffice is all very well *functionally* but the compatibility still bites
[09:17] <awilkins> Our email server is trapped behind an auth gateway that so far no-one has produced an open client implementation for
[09:17] <awilkins> So it's Outlook, VPN, or OWA (uck)
[09:18] <directhex> mungojerry, why not just use a boot loader menu?
[09:18] <mungojerry> directhex, insufficient sata ports, windows is installed on a separate disk :D
[09:18] <directhex> how many drives do you have??!
[09:18] <mungojerry> i have a lowprofile PC with only 2 sata ports. :(
[09:19] <mungojerry> the larger PC was too heavy to carry home.
[09:19] <mungojerry> so i brought the smaller one :)
[09:19] <awilkins> I was thwarted when I bought my new motherboard and discovered that it had no IDE ports
[09:19] <awilkins> I had to buy a new optical drive. Not installed it yet.
[09:20] <directhex> awilkins, well, no, it's 2012. they don't have RS232 either
[09:20] <awilkins> Or PS/2
[09:20] <awilkins> Which is annoying
[09:20] <awilkins> Model M forever!
[09:20] <awilkins> (I got a USB -> PS/2 dongle)
[09:20] <directhex> i think it was intel's ICH8 (maybe ICH9, i'd need to look it up) southbridge controller which eliminated most legacy support, including IDE. so to offer an IDE port, a motherboard needs to pay for an extra chip e.g. a jmicron IDE controller
[09:22] <directhex> "ICH8 is offered in several different versions and is the complement to the 965 class MCH chips. The non-mobile ICH8 does not have a traditional PATA interface, and just one AC'97. In practice, most baseboard manufacturers would like to still support and offer PATA appropriate connection types over additional chips of JMicron or Marvell."
[09:22] <directhex> ICH8 was on P965 and similar chipsets, from 2006
[09:25] <mungojerry> directhex, was looking at sparkleshare yesterday, noticed u were the packager :P
[09:26] <directhex> not the main one, i just made one upload or two
[09:27] <mungojerry> yeah,
[09:27] <mungojerry> have got a couple of guys at work into it
[09:37] <davmor2> morning all you funky people
[09:48] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:49] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning dude, at least one of you is funky ;)
[09:50] <bigcalm> davmor2: you pinged me last night
[09:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah did you take out all the memory from your hp server before you put the new stuff in?  Was it 2gb if so if it fits mine would you be interested in selling it?
[09:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: yep, I have it spare
[09:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: cool I'll double check what mine take but I have a horrible feeling it might be ddr2 not 3
[10:01] <bigcalm> Ok
[10:04] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:12] <selinuxium> morning all   o/
[10:12] <brobostigon> morning selinuxium
[10:12] <selinuxium> Hiya brobostigon, you good?
[10:13] <brobostigon> selinuxium: yes, i think so, mostly. and you?
[10:13] <selinuxium> Not too bad thanks. :)
[10:13] <brobostigon> :)
[10:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: meh DDR2 :(
[10:23] <gord> i still read dance dance revolution...
[10:35] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-sH53vXP2A&feature=related
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> gord: not East Germany?
[10:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: so this ddr3 won't work in your box?
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> gord: Deutsche Demokratische Republik (German), the German Democratic Republic (English), i.e., the former East Germany, a state in Europe, 1949–90
[10:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: Nope
[10:38] <bigcalm> davmor2: That's sucky
[10:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeed
[10:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: such is life
[10:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: I've got a shed-load of ddr1 if you want ;)
[10:40]  * MartijnVdS looks waht his laptop eats
[10:40] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: wrong size I'd speculate
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: DDR3
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> well yes
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> SO-DIMMs
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> Considering upgrading to 8G
[10:56] <zleap> popey, just tried 12.04 on my desktop,   keyboard overlay works fine :)
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> keyboard overlay?
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> Like the ones you used to get with WordPerfect? :)
[10:59] <zleap> press super and you get numbers on the launcher,  keep it pressed you get a keyboard overlay pop up over the screen
[10:59] <zleap> http://joesteiger.com/2012/01/18/shortcut-hints-overlay-added-to-unity-ubuntu-12-04/
[11:13] <brobostigon> are all ipod connectors the same? or do they vary, and i have to get one specific to the ipod model?
[11:14] <BigRedS> brobostigon: I've not yet found any incompatibility
[11:14] <BigRedS> and I've got through shedloads of the things
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> Even the first ever ipods etc.?
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> the firewire ones?
[11:20] <popey> zleap: hurrah
[11:21] <popey> brobostigon: the only different ones recently are the ipod nanos which have no 30-pin dock but connect via the headphone port
[11:22] <brobostigon> popey: the model i have here is the very first nano model.
[11:24] <popey> brobostigon: does it have a display?
[11:24] <brobostigon> popey: yes.
[11:24] <popey> so yeah, "standard" 30 pin doc connector on the bottom
[11:25] <brobostigon> so any standard ipod connector, will work.
[11:26] <brobostigon> ok, thank you popey
[11:26] <popey> ya
[11:27] <brobostigon> :)
[11:27] <directhex> "standard ipod connector"?
[11:28] <brobostigon> yes, the female/male proprietry connector.
[11:58] <mungojerry> just saw somebody using bing search. lol
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: Weird people
[12:25] <zleap> chat later,
[12:25] <zleap> btw is it possible to alter the size of icons in the launcher ?
[12:26] <Darael> zleap: ISTR yes, but I forget how.
[12:26] <bigcalm> Yes, but I'm not using unity atm to tell you how
[12:26] <zleap> ok
[12:26] <zleap> what is ISTR
[12:26] <Darael> zleap: I Seem To Remember.
[12:26] <bigcalm> I seem to remember
[12:26] <zleap> ok thanks
[12:26] <zleap> a bit like IIRC
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> In the "appearance" dialog
[12:26] <zleap> if i recall correctly
[12:26] <zleap> ok will have a look,  or have a look with 12.04
[12:27] <zleap> i wonder if 12.04 will pull in user data from an existing install
[12:27] <Darael> If memory serves, it's not in the GUI config tools for Oneiric, but it is in the ones for Precise.
[12:27] <zleap> if installed to another partition
[12:27] <Darael> Possibly it can be got at in Oneiric with CCSM.
[12:28] <zleap> that would be useful  icons are fine,  but sligtly smaller may be good here
[12:28] <zleap> anyway got 2 go,  so chat when i get back from work
[12:41] <directhex> mungojerry, i use it on my phone, since it's the only option
[12:46] <popey> directhex: you can't change it?
[12:46] <directhex> nein. i can add a google shortcut to my home screen, but the search button goes to bing
[12:47] <popey> heheh
[12:47] <popey> lolphone
[12:48] <dwatkins> bing uses google's results anyway, though ;)
[12:49] <davmor2> directhex: would that be a windows phone 7 phone then?
[12:49] <directhex> davmor2, yes
[12:51] <Darael> A thought just occurred.  We've had Bayesian filters in email clients for yonks, but there don't seem to be any newsreaders with one, even though the scoring features of more recent ones seem like they'd fit with the concept rather well.  D'you think it's just because (proportionally) so few people bother with Usenet any more?
[12:51] <directhex> popey, some chinese OEMs hardcode bing into their androids, iirc
[12:51] <bigcalm> Usewhat? ;)
[12:51] <popey> nice
[12:52] <Darael> bigcalm: That's an answer of sorts, I suppose.
[12:52] <dwatkins> Darael: there's always RSS
[12:52] <Darael> dwatkins: It's hardly the same.
[12:52] <dwatkins> Darael: true, but I imagine it's a lot more prevelant nowadays
[12:53] <dwatkins> I'd like my RSS reader to show me things I actually want to read
[12:53] <Darael> Indeed it is (although aren't we all supposed to be using ATOM instead?).  It's still not the same, being unidirectional.
[12:53] <dwatkins> Having said that, the counter argument could be stated that I should choose my RSS feeds more carefully, of course.
[13:05] <BigRedS> We're looking to hire a sysadmin at work, how frowned-upon are posts like that to the uuk list?
[13:08] <shauno> I'd be tempted to nudge you towards http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs  if that avenue interests you
[13:08] <shauno> (doesn't answer yer question, but worth knowing it's there ;)
[13:14] <popey> +1
[13:20] <BigRedS> yeah, I think it's going to be posted there, too
[13:20] <BigRedS> I suppose anyone on lists in general who is after a job is on that one, too, anyway
[13:31] <BigRedS> Is there a way to report bugs against content in wiki.ubuntu.com?
[13:32] <BigRedS> I can't find it as a project in Launchpad
[13:32] <diplo> Where are you anyhoo BigRedS ?
[13:35] <mattt> on ubuntu, what creates the ssh host keys?
[13:35] <popey> BigRedS: it's a wiki
[13:35] <popey> edit it
[13:35] <mattt> i know on RHEL etc. there's an ssh-keygen in the sshd init script
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> mattt: the postinst script of the ssh daemon
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> mattt: check /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst
[13:37] <AlanBell> there may be some regenerating of host keys in the oem config stuff
[13:37] <BigRedS> popey: that only works if I know what is correct
[13:37] <popey> BigRedS: what page ?
[13:37] <BigRedS> if someone follows the instructions on the wiki and finds they don't work how do they flag this up for someone who does know the answer
[13:37] <mattt> MartijnVdS: ah, makes sense
[13:38]  * czajkowski tickles christel 
[13:38] <BigRedS> er, a java one. Someone's mentioned it on your favourite list :)
[13:38] <BigRedS> hang on
[13:39] <BigRedS> oh, wait, not the wiki. I mis-read. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[13:39] <BigRedS> not sure what that counts as
[13:39] <BigRedS> argh. There's too much documentation
[13:39] <popey> community documentation
[13:39] <popey> whats wrong with it?
[13:39] <mattt> AlanBell: yeah, i have an older ubuntu VM with no host keys, and when it first boots they get created
[13:39] <mattt> while on 11.10 no recreation seems to take place
[13:40] <BigRedS> I don't know; I don't have anything here to test on, it just ocurred to me that there's no apparent process for bug reports against it
[13:40] <BigRedS> he's saying that he gets no errors and no Java which is probably not what's happening
[13:40] <AlanBell> BigRedS: that is a wiki too
[13:40] <BigRedS> yeah, but it's not *the* wiki :)
[13:41] <popey> it's _a_ wiki
[13:41] <BigRedS> yeah
[13:41] <BigRedS> still, the fact it's a wiki is great if someone who knows the answer happens to find that the content is wrong
[13:41] <popey> well
[13:41] <BigRedS> which seems a little unlikely
[13:41] <popey> at the top there is "Wiki Guide"
[13:41] <popey> I clicked that
[13:41] <popey> there is "Communication"
[13:42] <BigRedS> aha, in there is a link to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bugs
[13:42] <BigRedS> so it's ubuntu-docs that any bug would be reported against
[13:49] <popey> cool
[14:02] <gord> http://www.superbotentertainment.com/ is a very cool website
[14:11] <popey> indeed
[14:53] <popey> ooh, it's all gamey news today.
[14:55]  * AlanBell likes a bit of game pie
[14:57] <Guest32511> ello?
[14:57] <AlanBell> hello Guest32511
[14:58] <popey> hi pete
[14:58] <popey> hi pete
[14:58] <cbx33> hey popey
[14:58] <cbx33> long time dude!
[14:58] <cbx33> hey AlanBell
[14:58] <cbx33> how is evreyone?
[14:58] <popey> tickety boo
[14:58] <cbx33> so I'm sat here wondering if I should upgrade tonight
[14:58] <popey> except AlanBell who is ill
[14:58] <popey> yes, do it now before the rush
[14:58]  * AlanBell is mostly fixed
[14:58] <cbx33> yeh
[14:58] <cbx33> thinking that
[14:59] <cbx33> man it's been a long time indeed
[14:59] <cbx33> so are people sticking with unity now
[14:59]  * AlanBell will have one last pre-podcast lemsip then I am totally fixed
[14:59] <cbx33> or looking at the reworked classic?
[14:59] <AlanBell> yeah, unity has been mostly unbroken and is now quite good
[14:59]  * cbx33 has been out of the loop - FOR A LONG TIME
[14:59] <popey> i only use unity
[14:59] <popey> even on old/slow/crappy machines
[14:59] <cbx33> I have been using it too
[15:00] <cbx33> to be honest it's been pretty good
[15:00] <popey> my kids both use unity 2d on their Eee 900 (900MHz Celerons)
[15:00] <cbx33> yeh
[15:00] <cbx33> so tonight I upgrade then
[15:00] <davmor2> popey: and even with a script to try and force you to use 2d more
[15:00] <cbx33> home my boot time improves
[15:01] <cbx33> s/home/bope
[15:01] <cbx33> oh fcol!!!
[15:01] <popey> nope
[15:01] <popey> i remotely updated mums machine yesterday
[15:01] <popey> no calls yet
[15:01] <cbx33> popey: was that an answer to my hope?
[15:01] <popey> heh
[15:02] <popey> its nice and quick here
[15:02] <cbx33> sweet
[15:02] <popey> but then I have SSDs in everything
[15:02] <cbx33> mine suffered i think with the last upgrade
[15:02] <cbx33> I may have to do a fresh install
[15:02] <cbx33> but I always hate doing that
[15:02] <popey> i rarely fresh install
[15:03] <cbx33> yeh
[15:03] <cbx33> I don't like to
[15:03] <cbx33> I hope calibre is fixed in 12.04
[15:04] <popey> how is it broken?
[15:04] <cbx33> some converting didn't work for me
[15:04] <cbx33> in the Git book
[15:05] <cbx33> hey popey did you ever read my novel btw :p
[15:05] <cbx33> hahaha
[15:05] <cbx33> j/k
[15:09] <cbx33> *tumbleweed*
[15:18] <AlanBell> everyone coming to the release party tomorrow?
[15:19] <davmor2> AlanBell: nope working
[15:19] <bigcalm> AlanBell: too far for a school night
[15:20] <bigcalm> Gah, it's Wednesday today?
[15:20] <bigcalm> Time is slipping away from me
[15:21] <Aivaras> Guys may any one uses google's or openDNS DNS servers and can ping to my domain and say that IP that gives? its "256.lt" Thanks!
[15:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's not slipping I'm stealing it muhahahahahahahahahahah
[15:22] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ host 256.lt
[15:22] <popey> 256.lt has address 82.135.231.154
[15:22] <popey> 256.lt mail is handled by 10 mail.256.lt.
[15:22] <bigcalm> Aivaras: http://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/256.lt
[15:23] <popey> Aivaras: you can do this yourself. nslookup 256.lt 8.8.8.8
[15:23] <Aivaras> oh. thank you guys :)
[15:28] <AlanBell> looks like 60 responses to the cabinet office consultation so far (well 60 answers to question1)
[15:29] <AlanBell> http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/ please fill it in if you have not done so already
[15:33] <davmor2> popey: is it nearly out yet?
[16:02] <czajkowski> dear ear popping madness go away :(
[16:09] <drussell> czajkowski: could be worse... ear pooping madness would get very messy...
[16:38] <davmor2> czajkowski: use the lemsip
[16:42] <czajkowski> drussell: way with words sir!
[16:42] <czajkowski> davmor2: just went and got some
[16:42] <czajkowski> had to wait till the pesky rain went away
[16:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: did you get the dissolve or swallow ones?  if take the first one as tablets to keep you going for now and then the next set have as a drink the vapours will help sooth
[16:46] <czajkowski> swallow ones dissolve stuff is icky
[16:46] <czajkowski> and also drussell since when did you arrive mister
[16:53] <drussell> czajkowski: arrive? I've been here for a very long time ;o)
[16:54] <drussell> czajkowski: stealthy though ;o)
[16:55] <dogmatic69> http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/srxsd/if_you_have_rackspace_cloud_servers_run_an_ip/
[16:55] <dogmatic69> :O
[16:56] <dogmatic69> rackspace / slicehost vpn == virtual public network
[17:00] <hamitron> dogmatic69, isn't that common?
[17:00] <dogmatic69> idk
[17:00] <hamitron> I personally disable the "local" interface on my vps
[17:01] <hamitron> then just have loopback and public interface
[17:30] <MarquessDeBonBon> Any of you going to be at Infosec tomorrow?
[18:34] <brobostigon> http://www.vanheusden.com/multitail/manual.html interesting program.
[18:41] <Azelphur> phoronix are chanting steam is coming to linux again
[18:41] <Azelphur> not sure if real this time
[18:43] <robjohnc> dunno, the screenshots look reasonable, and a hostname of "valve-system-name-here" could be a precursor to the "Steam Box"
[18:43] <Azelphur> would be interesting if the steam box was just a linux box
[18:44] <robjohnc> there was some talk about how if the "Steam Box" had to run windows, it would be too expensive
[18:44] <Azelphur> yea, perhaps that's what they are doing
[18:44] <robjohnc> If it runs linux, that's also a way to keep competitors (e.g. Origin) off the box, as there's no linux client for them
[18:46] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:47] <popey> tbh once steam on linux is available _anyone_ can make a steam box
[18:48] <Azelphur> interesting prospect :)
[18:48] <robjohnc> Indeed. I can get rid of windows completely.
[18:48] <popey> people could just make a black box
[18:48] <popey> with an auto-updating lean linux distro that boots directly into steam
[18:49] <robjohnc> yes. Certified Steam boxes could have a certain hardware configuration, and therefore be fully tested etc.
[18:49] <bigcalm> popey: good idea, let me know when it's ready ;)
[18:54] <dwatkins> bigcalm: http://www.develop-online.net/news/40019/Valve-product-designer-leaks-Steam-console-photo ;)
[18:55] <bigcalm> Looks like a PC
[18:55] <bigcalm> Not very consoly
[18:56] <dwatkins> fifteen years in any job, and I'd be building linux machines on my desk at work
[18:59] <zleap> hello
[19:51] <gmb> Random aside: Stunt Alan's voice reminds me of Douglas Adams.
[20:05]  * popey points gmb at #ubuntu-uk-podcast
[20:06] <bigcalm> Oh, is that happening tonight?
[20:07] <bigcalm> popey: how come you're not on but Mr Bell is?
[20:10] <AlanBell> bigcalm: I am the replacement Alan
[20:12] <bigcalm> AlanBell: Apart from the 1st name, I haven't found you both to be completely interchangeable just yet.
[20:12] <bigcalm> AlanBell: get a job with Canonical ;)
[20:17] <bigcalm> Is it out yet?
[20:17] <popey> :D
[20:17] <zleap> hi
[20:17] <zleap> bigcalm, i didn't tjhink it was out till tomorrow
[20:18] <jacobw> precise has been out in my mind since i started using it at beta1
[20:18] <popey> zleap: humour
[20:18] <zleap> sorry
[20:18] <bigcalm> zleap: I'm very aware of when it's our. Sadly my attempt at humour only works if you know I've been around for a few releases now :)
[20:19] <zleap> ok
[20:19] <bigcalm> That and I've had 2 pints of ale
[20:19] <bigcalm> Oh my, just had a thought
[20:19] <bigcalm> I hope the RAT goes slowly and is a smooth ride
[20:20] <bigcalm> Hope people don't get motion sickness :|
[20:20]  * jacobw prediced the thought would be ale related
[20:20] <bigcalm> Real Ale Train is not far away now :D
[20:20] <zleap> ohh,
[20:20] <jacobw> slashdot is really disappointing
[20:21] <popey> welcome to 5 years ago
[20:21] <bigcalm> Haha
[20:22] <jacobw> it used to my source of technical analysis of cool new stuff, now its just like reading bbc technology news without an ubuntu logo on ubuntu related stories
[20:23] <jacobw> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfnudeln&num=1
[20:23] <zleap> just printed that poster sent to the list,  on unity, excellent document
[20:23] <jacobw> :D
[20:24] <jacobw> that poster is going to be stuck on the side of the screen of the less technical users when i upgrade my office to precise
[20:26] <bigcalm> Only need to have Mum's birthday, Gran's birthday, Hayley's 40th birthday, Northern Ireland trip, Stewart Francis gig, sister's birthday, my birthday, RAT, dad's birthday. Then we get to oggcamp :D
[20:30] <bigcalm> Oo, Stewart Francis gig is before Hayley's birthday and Northern Ireland
[20:30] <bigcalm> Fun
[20:32] <zleap> maybe it can be included on cd's
[20:32] <zleap> or is it too late for that
[20:32] <YaManicK1ll> is there no wiki page for precise release parties?
[20:33] <AlanBell> YaManicK1ll: that is done on the loco directory now
[20:33] <YaManicK1ll> oooooo ok
[20:33] <YaManicK1ll> makes more sense
[20:33] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1624/detail/
[20:34] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1598/detail/ all of them
[20:34] <YaManicK1ll> cool cool
[20:37] <popey> bigcalm: you on 12.04?
[20:37] <popey> or anyone
[20:38] <bigcalm> popey: laptop is, not currently running
[20:38] <bigcalm> Sup?
[20:38] <bigcalm> Oh, servers are :D
[20:38] <Daviey> popey: are you nuts?  Wouldn't run that yet :)
[20:38] <popey> press printscreen
[20:38] <popey> flashes twice when it should flash once
[20:40] <Daviey> popey: you know i don't have a print screen button on this machine :)
[20:41] <bigcalm> popey: yes, dual flash
[20:42] <popey> hahaa Daviey
[20:42] <popey> get a thinkpad
[20:42] <popey> :D
[20:42] <popey> (and don't kill it this time)
[20:42] <popey> maybe it's the redeye reduction feature
[20:43] <ali1234> confirmed with the printscreen thing
[20:43] <popey> ta
[20:43] <ali1234> second flash is just 1 frame
[20:43] <ali1234> probably a divide by zero / fencepost error in the fading out algorithm
[20:43] <bigcalm> Can you run dropbox on a headless server (no gui)?
[20:45] <bigcalm> And does U1 still require a GUI to work?
[20:45] <popey> bug 988543
[20:45] <popey> yes bigcalm
[20:45] <popey> no bigcalm
[20:45] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Headless
[20:45] <bigcalm> 3 bags full, bigcalm
[20:46] <bigcalm> popey: bug 988543 confirmed
[20:46] <popey> ta
[20:47] <bigcalm> Starting to ponder U1 usage
[20:47] <bigcalm> Have 4.2gb on dropbox though
[20:48] <bigcalm> And it's on all of my machines and platforms
[20:48] <popey> i recently cleared out my dropbox
[20:48] <popey> 0.2% of 11GB used
[20:48] <bigcalm> And it's how I share documents with work
[20:48] <bigcalm> Boss uses it, I need to keep using it
[20:48] <popey> aaaaaaand, yet again I click "Ubuntu Software Centre" when I meant to click "Ubuntu One"
[20:48] <popey> yeah, i only used it for that
[20:49] <bigcalm> Humm, is that a bug?
[20:49] <popey> what?
[20:49] <bigcalm> Clicking the wrong icon ;)
[20:49] <popey> two icons next to eachother being predominantly orange in colour?
[20:49] <bigcalm> I would say so
[20:50] <bigcalm> 2 pints of ale, maybe I won't do any more work for the evening
[20:50] <ali1234> what if the icons had some writing under them... then you could tell the difference?
[20:50] <ali1234> or maybe at the side
[20:50] <bigcalm> A matter of space?
[20:50] <ali1234> why leave U1 on the launcher anyway?
[20:50] <ali1234> doesn't it run automatically?
[20:51] <popey> progress indicator
[20:51] <popey> when it works :D
[20:51] <popey> good point
[20:51] <ali1234> for that matter why leave software center on there?
[20:51] <popey> i have a habit of locking random apps to the launcher
[20:51] <popey> indeed!
[20:51] <ali1234> use the dash it is faster
[20:51] <popey> not after 3 glasses of wine it isnt
[20:52] <popey> my mouse targetting is pretty good, typing less so
[20:52] <ali1234> i only have nautilus, firefox and shell locked
[20:52] <ali1234> and gedit
[20:54] <bigcalm> Does unity work over 3 screens on 2 graphics cards? Plus one of the screen is rotated 90 degrees
[20:55] <Azelphur> bigcalm: no.
[20:55] <bigcalm> I shall stick with xfce for the time being then
[20:55] <Azelphur> bigcalm: maybe on ATI, definitely not on nvidia
[20:55] <bigcalm> Azelphur: both gfx cards are nvidia
[20:55] <Azelphur> yea, no then.
[20:55] <Azelphur> been there tried that
[20:55] <Azelphur> I also use XFCE
[20:56] <bigcalm> I want to use Unity :)
[20:56] <bigcalm> I want to be a part of the crowd, not apart from it
[20:56] <Azelphur> lol
[21:02] <bigcalm> I can't help myself. I'm still working
[21:02] <bigcalm> What is wrong with me?
[21:02] <bigcalm> I used to work until 10pm ish when I worked in the office. At least working from home means I can have a drink at this time of night.
[21:03] <bigcalm> Not sure it mixes well with coding though
[21:05] <jacobw> work is fun
[21:06] <ali1234> why is myspace tom on g+?
[21:06] <ali1234> and why does it keep suggesting him to me?
[21:06] <ali1234> is it the real myspace tom or an imposter?
[21:06] <ali1234> he has 2 million followers
[21:08] <robjohnc> his photos made me block him
[21:08] <ali1234> that's the only thing he posts
[21:09] <ali1234> but why isn't he posting this stuff on myspace>
[21:12] <soulnafein> howdy
[21:12] <soulnafein> is there any event planned in London?
[21:13] <ali1234> i heard there's some sporting event soon
[21:13] <soulnafein> lol
[21:13] <soulnafein> I mean an Ubuntu one
[21:19] <popey> soulnafein: yes
[21:19] <popey> tomorrow evening
[21:20] <soulnafein> where
[21:20] <popey> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1624/detail/
[21:26] <soulnafein> thanks
[21:35] <bigcalm> And another ticket bites the dust
[21:35] <bigcalm> Maybe drinking is good for my coding
[21:36] <bigcalm> Should experiment during work hours tomorrow
[21:36] <bigcalm> Damn, I want a curry now
[21:36] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: what you coding?
[21:37] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: symfony 1.4, cakephp 1.1, bespoke API for an iOS app
[21:37] <dogmatic69> :/
[21:37] <Cabbage> How do I connect to servers?
[21:38] <bigcalm> Now, time for some SOAP and paypoint.net
[21:38] <bigcalm> Cabbage: what servers are you referring to?
[21:38] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: why not bust out the php3 while you are back in the dark ages?
[21:38] <Cabbage> I want to onnet to FinalOwnage
[21:38] <dogmatic69> Cabbage: open chrome, type ip :)
[21:38] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: the site I'm writing the API for was started in 2001. The code is hairy
[21:39] <Cabbage> ip?
[21:39] <Cabbage> How you find ip?
[21:39] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: my condolences
[21:39] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: it pays the bills :)
[21:39] <dogmatic69> Cabbage: I was being sarcastic, your question was not very specific
[21:39] <bigcalm> I like wiring bespoke code. Some what liberating
[21:39] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: https://www.ohloh.net/languages/2
[21:39] <dogmatic69> so do I :)
[21:39] <Cabbage> Thanks for the help.
[21:40] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: there are worse things one can use than PHP to make a living
[21:40] <bigcalm> Cabbage: if you can be more specific, we might be able to help you
[21:40] <bigcalm> :)
[21:41] <Cabbage> Imagine I play RuneScape.
[21:41] <bigcalm> I have no idea what that is
[21:41] <Cabbage> Okay, lemme think
[21:41] <jacobw> its a browser based mmorpg
[21:41] <Cabbage> [ Final Ownage Elite IRC ]
[21:41] <Cabbage> #FinalOwnage
[21:41] <Cabbage> I try to join that irc
[21:41] <Cabbage> idk how
[21:42] <jacobw> what irc network is it on?
[21:42] <jacobw> what client are you using?
[21:42] <bigcalm> If it's on freenode (this network), just type /join #finalownage
[21:42] <dogmatic69> https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=FinalOwnage+irc
[21:42] <jacobw> to join an irc channel, you need to know its name and what network its on
[21:42] <Cabbage> Okay ty
[21:42] <bigcalm> Otherwise you will have to connect to the correct network 1st and then use that command
[21:44] <Cabbage> Gonna try find out which network
[21:45] <bigcalm> Cabbage: where did you see #FinalOwnage?
[21:45] <Cabbage> irc.swiftirc.net
[21:45] <Cabbage> That is server
[21:45] <Cabbage> Server:
[21:45] <Cabbage> irc.swiftirc.net (6667)
[21:45] <bigcalm> type: /server irc.swiftirc.net
[21:45] <bigcalm> And then: /join #finalownage
[21:45] <Cabbage> ty
[21:45] <bigcalm> Cabbage: what irc client are you using?
[21:45] <jacobw> http://www.swiftirc.net/index.php?page=chat&client=qwebirc
[21:45] <bigcalm> Indeed, you could also use their webchat
[21:46] <Cabbage> xchat i think
[21:46] <bigcalm> I guess they typed the command :)
[21:46] <jacobw> out of band ftw
[21:46] <jacobw> ;)
[21:52] <soulnafein> at what time is 12.04 available?
[21:56] <popey> soulnafein: we dont specify a time
[21:56] <popey> gord: saw this and thought of you http://www.wtfjapanseriously.com/2012/04/candy-hamburgers.html
[21:57]  * bigcalm will never again accept sweets from gord
[21:59] <ali1234> so... steam for linux anyone?
[21:59] <Azelphur> do want
[21:59] <ali1234> in the phoronix article that line about how gabe sounds like "a directory of Linux Foundation" is very telling
[22:00] <ali1234> jim zemlin has been pushing this idea of linux as a platform for "app stores" for years
[22:00] <ali1234> because if your appstore runs on a linux based platform you create, you don't have to give 30% to anyone
[22:01] <ali1234> thus his efforts to push it for OEMs
[22:01] <ali1234> jim zemlin is of course... director of the linux foundation
[22:02] <AlanBell> canonical want 5% or something like that I think
[22:02] <ali1234> it wont matter
[22:02] <ali1234> 5% is still more than 0%
[22:03] <AlanBell> yeah, I get that, I was just throwing it out there as another data point
[22:03] <ali1234> also 5% is absurdly low
[22:03] <ali1234> literally absolutely everyone charges 30%
[22:03] <AlanBell> literally apple and google charge 30%
[22:03] <ali1234> and microsoft
[22:04] <AlanBell> I was wrong
[22:04] <AlanBell> they charge 20%
[22:04] <ali1234> also nokia/ovi
[22:04] <AlanBell> http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/
[22:05] <bigcalm> Wouldn't it be grand if 12.04 was released while everybody was asleep?
[22:05] <AlanBell> "everyone"
[22:05] <bigcalm> Absolutely everyone
[22:06] <bigcalm> Think flashforward
[22:06] <ali1234> what's that movie where everyone in the world falls asleep for 1 hour and then they have to figure out why?
[22:06] <ali1234> seems like amazon is 30% too btw
[22:07] <bigcalm> ali1234: sounds like an episode of TNG
[22:07] <ali1234> no it;s what you said
[22:07] <ali1234> except it wasn;t an hour
[22:07] <bigcalm> 2 mins or something
[22:07] <popey> i watched the first 5 mins of that
[22:07] <popey> kinda wish I'd watched the rest
[22:07] <ali1234> it was cancelled
[22:08] <ali1234> so you probably saved yourself a lot of time
[22:08] <bigcalm> We watched 3 eps and got bored
[22:08] <bigcalm> I have the book to read at some point
[22:08] <bigcalm> Right, time for sleep
[22:08] <bigcalm> Night peeps
[22:10] <gord> popey, yeah thats great :) something like that inspired me to start this service. got even more candy today, so tasty http://lightbox.com/photo/mXCyOJe and http://lightbox.com/photo/OR1muYZ
[22:14] <popey> gord: do you have any idea what's in htem before you open them?
[22:18] <gord> kinda, the guy sends out emails sometimes, often when the candy needs a description, but me and a friend who also gets the service ignore them and open them at the same time so its a surprise :)
[22:20] <popey> ☺
[22:20] <Oli> ali1234: FlashForward?
[22:21] <Oli> My bad - thought you were looking for the name.
[22:36] <zleap> if I share a cd drive on windows,  how do I access this from Ubuntu
[22:36] <zleap> i have shared my printer on windows
[22:37] <zleap> i found it
[22:38] <zleap> it may hammer my network somewhat
[22:39] <hamitron> I'd assume you mount it like any other smbfs share
[22:51] <zleap> ok fuse (specy emulator do i need gTk or sdl version